From zmerch@30below.com Wed May 06 01:35:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14560 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 01:25:34 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 01:25:34 -0000 Content-Length: 1876 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: The list is finally up! Hey all! Yea, it's taken me longer than I thought, but the list is finally back up! If you don't get this message and want to be on this list, raise your hand! (or tell your friends to send a message to: m100-request@list.30below.com with "subscribe" or "sub" in the Subject: of the mail, and you'll be added. ;-) Otherwise, if you don't want to be here, you can do 1 of 2 things right now: 1) mail me at zmerch@30below.com and say "Unsubscribe me!" 2) if you're e-mail address is valid, send a mail to: m100-request@list.30below.com with the word "unsubscribe" or "unsub" in the Subject: of the message, and if your e-mail address in your mail software matches what's in the database, you'll be automagically unsubscribed. The good news: The double-triple-quadruple mailings are history. Roger's a SysAdmin again! And this won't change ever again, so the list should be more stable then ever! The bad news: I lost a few things in the move over, so the proggie that changed the list reply-to headers went *poof*. :-( So for now, you'll have to remember to change the reply-to address to m100@list.30below.com as it will put in the original poster's e-mail address when you hit reply in your mailer. I will search other archives I have or recode that feature in the near future. Welcome Back! Roger "Merch" Merchberger : 1) mail me at zmerch@30below.com and say "Unsubscribe me!" 2) if you're e-mail address is valid, send a mail to: m100-request@list.30below.com with the word "unsubscribe" or "unsub" in the Subject: of the message, and if you'r --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Education and religion are two things not regulated by supply and demand. The less of either the people have, the less they want. -- Charlotte Observer, 1897 From lemonman@toast.net Wed May 06 06:52:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15218 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 06:52:28 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 06:52:28 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.186.201 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 May 1998 04:00:26 -0400 From: "Jonathan Schroeder" To: Subject: Lists Back! Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 03:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd78c4$ea0bb1c0$c9baf4ce@lemmo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Hey all, Seems the list is up and running again :). Missed yall, good to be back. -Jonathan From bassclef@netcom.ca Wed May 06 14:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15742 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 14:01:04 -0000 Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (207.93.1.152) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 14:01:04 -0000 Received: from lon-on1-15.netcom.ca (bassclef@lon-on1-15.netcom.ca [207.181.78.79]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA03921 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805061508.LAA03921@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> X-Sender: bassclef@netcom.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: m100@list.30below.com From: Jennifer Jones Subject: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed Hello all! Nice to see you all again, and once again a huge thanks to Merch for making it all possible. We should institute an annual award for service to the m100 community, and name it after Merch, methinks. Have any of you been following the thread on c.s.tandy about the compu$erve m100 files? We should try to find a way of archiving those files before they vanish into the ether, don't you think? Here's another idea I was thinking of: an m100 CD ROM, with all the PD stuff on it. I don't have a burner myself, but I'd be willing to help out catalogging and sorting and so on. We could pool all the files somewhere, and then each take a catagory of files to catalog. Any interest? Hope you're all well - it's finally summer, which means OUTDOOR COMPUTING! *grin* take care folks! Pat McNeil From thedock@value.net Wed May 06 14:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15924 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 14:33:49 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 14:33:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA24524 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 08:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Lists Back! In-Reply-To: <01bd78c4$ea0bb1c0$c9baf4ce@lemmo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 May 1998, Jonathan Schroeder wrote: > Hey all, Seems the list is up and running again :). Missed yall, good > to be back. And a GREAT BIG THANKS is in order for Merch, too. So, this bud's for you. 10 'BUD.BA by Tom Haskins Jul/88 20 'CLUB 100 Library 30 CLS:PRINT:A$="You've Said It All":GOSUB400 40 PRINT:A$="By Steve Karmen":GOSUB400 50 PRINT:A$="Arranged for Model 100 by Tom Haskins":GOSUB400 60 READ A,B 65 IF A=0THENEND 70 SOUND A,B 75 GOTO60 400 PRINTTAB((40-(LEN(A$)))/2)A$:RETURN 500 FOR I = 1 TO X:READ A,B:SOUND A,B:NEXT I:RETURN 1000 DATA 7456,14,7032,14,6269,14,5586,14,2,56,5586,14,4976,14,4697,14,4184,14,4697,14,4697,14,4976,14,4976,14,5586,14,5586,7,6269,14,6269,7 1010 DATA 2,70,7456,14,7032,14,6269,14,5586,14,2,56,5586,14,4976,14,4697,14,4184,14,4697,14,4697,14,4976,14,4976,14,5586,7,5586,21,6269,14,6269,14,3728,7,3728,7,2,42 1020 DATA 7456,14,7032,14,6269,14,5586,14,2,56,5586,14,4976,14,4697,14,4184,14,4697,14,4697,14,4976,14,4976,14,5586,14,5586,7,6269,14,6269,7 1030 DATA 2,70,7456,14,7032,14,6269,14,5586,14,2,56,5586,14,4976,14,4697,14,4184,14,4697,14,4697,14,4976,14,4976,14,5586,7,5586,21,6269,14,6269,14,3728,7,3728,7,2,42 1040 DATA 7456,14,7032,14,6269,14,5586,14,2,56,5586,14,4976,14,4697,14,4184,14,4697,14,4697,14,4976,14,4976,14,5586,14,5586,7,6269,14,6269,7 1050 DATA 2,70,7456,14,7032,14,6269,14,5586,14,2,56,5586,14,4976,14,4697,14,4184,14,4697,14,4697,14,4976,14,4976,14,5586,7,5586,21,6269,14,6269,14,3728,7,3728,7 1060 DATA 2,42,3728,14,3516,14,3728,14,3728,7,4184,14,4184,49,4184,14,3728,14,3516,14,3516,7,3728,14,3728,49,3728,14,3516,14,3728,14,3134,7,3516,14,3516,49 1070 DATA 4184,14,3728,14,3516,14,3516,7,3728,14,3728,49,3728,14,3516,14,3134,14,2793,56,2793,14,3134,14 1080 DATA 2,42,2793,14,3516,7,4184,21,4697,14 2000 DATA 0,0 From thedock@value.net Wed May 06 15:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16129 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 15:19:53 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 15:19:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA05610 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed In-Reply-To: <199805061508.LAA03921@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 May 1998, Jennifer Jones wrote: > Nice to see you all again, and once again a huge thanks to Merch for making > it all possible. We should institute an annual award for service to the m100 > community, and name it after Merch, methinks. I agree... quick, think of something! > Have any of you been following the thread on c.s.tandy about the compu$erve > m100 files? We should try to find a way of archiving those files before > they vanish into the ether, don't you think? I'm been talking about this for years, knowing that one day they would go away. But take heart, many years ago, our librarian (when he was active), Robert Benson, went through the CIS M100SIG library and gleened off the best of the best for our library. The process was tedious. There are more than one version of programs and many don't work or are missing things -- kind of like work in progress. After finding the best one, he'd check it out, document, etc. then put it into the library. It took him a long time. NOTE: Back when the M100SIG changed hands, back in the early '80s, the original founder was fired and went off to GEnie to build a competing library. I clearly recall that we [Club 100] held a special meeting at the Persidio of San Francisco. Our guest speaker was Mark Epply, owner/president of Traveling Software. In attendance was the new owner of the M100SIG and the old (fired) sysop. The sysop asked for our library to help seed his on GEnie. I gave it to him. A side note: The new owner of the M100SIG confronted me and said that he didn't appreciate our [Club 100] competing with CIS. The guy was not only an asshole but an idiot. He was afraid that our club, being online too, would steal files from Compuserve -- or something like that. Anyway, he was comparing our BBS operation to CIS. At that time, we were running a Model III with 4, 180K drives on one phone line for e-mail and a Model IV with 4, 180K drives on another phone line for the library -- which was very, very small. Frankly, what built Club 100 (it's heart) was not its online operation but its off-line, mail order support operations. You see, more people are not online by a factor of 1000 to 1. By supporting the non-onliners, we built our reputation. I can't begin to tell you how many thousands of dollars we made distributing our on-disk version of our library. There are currently 24 issues (disks) and 2 Model 200 disks in our mail order version. It's available on DOS 5.25", DOS 3.5", TPDD and TPDD2 formats. And, in the beginning, we even offered it on tape! Last year, if you'll recall, there was talk on this service about coordinating all the lists of programs together into one, master list. I suggested, at that time, to use the Club 100 library as a starting point, since we did sooooooo much work over soooo many years, including lots of thoughts about categories to come up with what we currently have. I also suggested that similar programs be matched against what the programming in our library to make sure that the best be chosen, checked and documented. I recall even offering to compensate a person doing the job. He (I forgot that person's name) said he'd start on it but never heard back from him. > Here's another idea I was thinking of: an m100 CD ROM, with all the PD > stuff on it. I don't have a burner myself, but I'd be willing to help > out catalogging and sorting and so on. We could pool all the files > somewhere, and then each take a catagory of files to catalog. This too, a CD, has recently been discussed -- or at least I received either a call or e-mail on this subject. Building a CD with "all" (an elusive concept) the model 100 programming on it would also have room for all the magazine issues ever authored, as well -- another topic that will go nowhere. But... and this is a BIG BUTT... the programs would have to be checked and rechecked and the ducumentation checked and rechecked, for every program to make sure that you had the best quality CD available, i..e. if you're gong to do it, do it right. This is a TON of work. During the process of making the Club 100 library, Robert attempted to group the programs by their machine type, as well. Where there were versions for the Model 100/102, Model 200 and NEC PC8201a, the extension was used to tell them appart, i.e. .100, .200, .NEC. You will find such throughout the Club 100 library. Anyway, it's a nobal idea and probably must be done, i.e. get all the files from CIS and all other sources and coordinate the project of building the ultimate library. Once built, it would be made available at the Club 100 web site for all to use for free. And... I am willing to finance the work! Hello! Anyone out there? I am willing to finance the work. I will want to see proposals. The first proposal is for acquiring all the files from CIS and all other sources. Let's focus on the first job: Get the files before they turn off the computer! Who is willing to do that work, how much money do you want to do it, and when will it be done and in my hands? Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From m100@oly.chem.yale.edu Wed May 06 17:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16534 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from oly.chem.yale.edu (130.132.25.222) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 17:44:18 -0000 Received: from [130.132.25.222] by oly.chem.yale.edu with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b8); Wed, 6 May 1998 15:05:21 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:05:21 -0400 To: m100@list.30below.com From: m100@oly.chem.yale.edu (Ryan MacArthur) Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed >Anyway, it's a nobal idea and probably must be done, i.e. get all the >files from CIS and all other sources and coordinate the project of >building the ultimate library. Once built, it would be made available at >the Club 100 web site for all to use for free. And... > >I am willing to finance the work! Hello! Anyone out there? I am willing >to finance the work. I will want to see proposals. The first proposal is >for acquiring all the files from CIS and all other sources. Let's focus >on the first job: Get the files before they turn off the computer! Who is >willing to do that work, how much money do you want to do it, and when >will it be done and in my hands? So now what does leeching the files of CIS involve here? Is it just going to an FTP site with a few blank zips, highlighting a folder and clicking "get files," or is it more involved than that (like getting an account, figuring out a crappy proprietary browser, and manually transferring the files one at at time with said crappy browser)? I haven't been following the tandy newsgroup thread... when is CIS planning on pulling the plug? So while we're on the subject of being noble, assuming we get all the files before they smash the SIG server (and I know I'm thinking too far ahead by assuming we'd get the files), would a divide and conquer approach be too chaotic? I'm thinking if we each do our part to check and write a short description of a chunk of the files, you know, "everyone grab a stack of floppies!" then we might be able to get it done fairly quick and painlessly. I'm willing to provide FTP space for down/uploads, but something web-based with a lovely cgi script that people could check off the files they've looked at and see what still needs to be done, now, wouldn't that be nice? Maybe I've held onto a sad shred of optimism through my studies so far, though... -Ryan From cameron@stl.dec.com Wed May 06 21:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17309 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 21:58:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.digital.com (204.123.2.50) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 21:58:57 -0000 Received: from redbck.stl.dec.com (redbck.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.4]) by mail1.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with SMTP id QAA29887 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by redbck.stl.dec.com (5.65/fma-100391); id AA25160; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:05:12 +1000 Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA31366; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:06:29 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <3550ECF5.7DE1@stl.dec.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:06:29 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] References: <199805061508.LAA03921@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennifer Jones wrote: > Have any of you been following the thread on c.s.tandy about the > compu$erve m100 files? Yes, and I have contributed to it. The newsgroup is comp.sys.tandy though, for any newbies who haven't accessed it. Generally, if your web browser is sufficiently configured, you need only to open a URL of news:comp.sys.tandy in order to see the discussions. > We should try to find a way of archiving those files before > they vanish into the ether, don't you think? Only subject to copyright law. I'm not going to support any effort that violates copyright. Dangerous for professional health. > I don't have a burner myself, but I'd be willing to help out > catalogging and sorting and so on. We could pool all the files > somewhere, and then each take a catagory of files to catalog. I have access to two or three burners, on which a master could be made, but we'd need firm orders for the product before someone went into production with it. ;-) There's an AltaVista Search facility available soon that can be built onto a CD-ROM to let people search the CD-ROM for matching keywords, in the same way that AltaVista works. This would greatly increase the utility of the CD-ROM and reduce the effort required to catalog. http://altavista.software.digital.com/ > Hope you're all well - it's finally summer, which means OUTDOOR > COMPUTING! *grin* Have a heart for the rest of us. It's cold down here! ;-) [a grin] -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From cameron@stl.dec.com Wed May 06 22:04:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17446 invoked from network); 6 May 1998 22:04:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.digital.com (204.123.2.50) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 May 1998 22:04:35 -0000 Received: from redbck.stl.dec.com (redbck.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.4]) by mail1.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with SMTP id QAA06231; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by redbck.stl.dec.com (5.65/fma-100391); id AA25209; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:10:41 +1000 Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA05039; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:11:58 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <3550EE3E.4487@stl.dec.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:11:58 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan MacArthur Cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan MacArthur wrote: > I'm willing to provide FTP space for down/uploads, but > something web-based with a lovely cgi script that people could check > off the files they've looked at and see what still needs to be done, > now, wouldn't that be nice? Easy stuff. If that's how I can serve, let me at it. Of course, if it was a funded effort I'd _really_ have to get management approval. If it was non-profit I'd have no trouble. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From krisbee@i-2000.com Thu May 07 02:08:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18300 invoked from network); 7 May 1998 02:08:45 -0000 Received: from i-2000.com (204.97.92.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 May 1998 02:08:45 -0000 Received: from krisbee (dyn1.access1.farmingdale.i-2000.net [207.97.130.66]) by i-2000.com (8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id XAA00578 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35512782.5D07@i-2000.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:16:18 -0400 From: "Kristopher B." Reply-To: krisbee@i-2000.com Organization: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~krisbee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > on the first job: Get the files before they turn off the computer! Who is > willing to do that work, how much money do you want to do it, and when > will it be done and in my hands? About a year or so ago, I did a batch command and downloaded almost all of the CIS files.. They are catergorized by their categories.. I have it on zip disk.. it is about 20 megs zipped -- http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~krisbee From zmerch@30below.com Thu May 07 16:30:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20228 invoked from network); 7 May 1998 16:30:17 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 May 1998 16:30:17 -0000 Content-Length: 2722 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805061508.LAA03921@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: Jennifer Jones Subject: RE: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed Cc: m100@list.30below.com On 06-May-98 Jennifer Jones wrote: > >Hello all! > >Nice to see you all again, and once again a huge thanks to Merch for making >it all possible. We should institute an annual award for service to the m100 >community, and name it after Merch, methinks. Awww, gwarsh! Thanks, but the award thingy sounds too much to me... I'm just an overworked sot that's now part-owner of an ISP so I can do what I want. >Have any of you been following the thread on c.s.tandy about the compu$erve >m100 files? We should try to find a way of archiving those files before >they vanish into the ether, don't you think? I have a goodly number of those files (back when I wasn on the $erv) archived on M.O. but they are in no way organized or complete. We've yacked about the $erv stuff in the past, and I recall that *if* the original author of the software releases his program(s) to freeware, then you are not violating $erv's copyright. Without explicit permission from the author to redistrubute, tho, I think there's a problem with said copyright issues. AAMAF, a few folks on this forum previously had stated that they released all their CIS-contributed stuff to the public... but I do believe that there will need to be something a little more permanent (and widely available) to post stuff like that on. ... ... Bing! Idea time! (Yea, there I go, working without tools again! ;^) On my forthcoming new & improved site, I'll have a page that I can post this type of information. The site (when functional) will be at http://www.30below.com/~zmerch I've been busy... my father-in-law passed away yesterday, so that's why the list, my webpage & other stuff have been delayed. (Also, any sub/unsub requests may not be "instantaneous" as well...) >Here's another idea I was thinking of: an m100 CD ROM, with all the PD stuff >on it. I don't have a burner myself, but I'd be willing to help out >catalogging and sorting and so on. We could pool all the files somewhere, >and then each take a catagory of files to catalog. > >Any interest? Supposing someone would like to do the file organization & related stuff, I own a burner, so that's not a problem with me. However, my time is tight right now, so I honestly cannot commit much to a project of that magnatude at this time. >Hope you're all well - it's finally summer, which means OUTDOOR COMPUTING! >*grin* Don't let the folks in Australia hear you say that... they're skiing down under right now! Have fun, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ QOTD: "The elder gods went to Suggoth and all I got was this lousy T-shirt." From thedock@value.net Sat May 09 12:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24165 invoked from network); 9 May 1998 12:43:10 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 9 May 1998 12:43:10 -0000 Received: (from thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) id GAA10585; Sat, 9 May 1998 06:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 06:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: thedock@value.net Message-Id: <199805091350.GAA10585@value.net> To: m100@list.30below.com X-URL: http://www.the-dock.com/c100/list.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7 Subject: MailList On or Off This is just an advisory that there is now a "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" feature at Club 100 for accessing the maillist. Once again, it's easy to get on and off the list. If you know of anyone who you feel should be on the list, please point them to the Club 100 web site at: http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html At your service... -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sat May 09 12:58:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24292 invoked from network); 9 May 1998 12:58:26 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 9 May 1998 12:58:26 -0000 Received: (from thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) id HAA12005; Sat, 9 May 1998 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: thedock@value.net Message-Id: <199805091405.HAA12005@value.net> To: m100@list.30below.com X-URL: http://www.the-dock.com/c100/list.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7 Subject: CIS M100SIG Files FYI: Thanks to a fellow Model 100 enthusiast in New York, the entire contents of the M100SIG at CIS will soon be in the Club 100 computer lab but "not" online. Once received, a ton of work will have to be done before any will be transferred to our web site. I have lots of other programming not on any system to add as well. There's about 1,000 files available right now, and I suspect that a thousand or so will be added. Note: To make things easier over here, the first library to be updated will be on our BBS. Once that's settled down, all the files will be duplicated over at the web site. So, for the next year, any new files and all changes will be available at the Club 100 BBS. But again, don't expect anything to happen overnight. Coordinating all this programming and information into our library will take quite an effort over time. However, since a major amount of the work was done several years ago by our librarian, Robert Benson, some of the programs in the library are already up-to-date since no further changes were made to those files. Thus, the library as it stands, is pretty good. -Rick @ Club 100- From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sun May 10 01:51:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25619 invoked from network); 10 May 1998 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 May 1998 01:51:30 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA14206 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA29278; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:55:13 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: NEC site To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FWIW, I started a NEC PC-8201A site to support this machine a little more specifically. Its out on geocities, which isn't my favorite bunch-o-people, but it is free and has enough space for the stuff I want to highlight. Stop by if you get a chance and make some suggestions. BTW Rick, I still intend to write up some TWE stuff like we discussed last year. My how time flies. http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/7071/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Under heaven nothing is more soft and yielding than ! David Firth water. Yet for attacking the solid and strong, nothing ! NEC PC-8201A is better. It has no equal. -- from Tao Te Ching 78 ! Tandy 1100FD From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sun May 10 01:59:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25731 invoked from network); 10 May 1998 01:58:59 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 May 1998 01:58:59 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14564 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA00459; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 23:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: (fwd) Web100 is still here for Info on Portable Tandies (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > www.dillernet.com/m100 No workie from several ISPs I've tried. They report "dillernet" as having no DNS entry. > I also have a mirror on Geo-cities: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6310/indexG.html This one works. Yippee! > -andy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Under heaven nothing is more soft and yielding than ! David Firth water. Yet for attacking the solid and strong, nothing ! NEC PC-8201A is better. It has no equal. -- from Tao Te Ching 78 ! Tandy 1100FD From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sun May 10 02:26:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25888 invoked from network); 10 May 1998 02:26:38 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 May 1998 02:26:38 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 9 May 1998 20:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sat, 9 May 1998 20:00:28 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: James Cameron Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980509.200028.2S1.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:00:28 PST In-Reply-To: <3550ECF5.7DE1@stl.dec.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, cameron@stl.dec.com writes: >> We should try to find a way of archiving those files before >> they vanish into the ether, don't you think? > > Only subject to copyright law. I'm not going to support any effort that > violates copyright. Dangerous for professional health. Well, I think the best bet is to have *someone* (or several someones) archive the files while it is still possible. *Then* we can try tracking down authors for permission. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From thedock@value.net Sun May 10 14:06:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26797 invoked from network); 10 May 1998 14:06:26 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 May 1998 14:06:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA11779 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: To: M100 Listserv Subject: Re: NEC site In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 9 May 1998, David Firth wrote: > FWIW, I started a NEC PC-8201A site to support... [snip] Excellent. Of all the NECers over the years, you and Gary Weber have done the most support -- at least here at Club 100 via the BBS. I captured your page URL and will add it as a link at the Club 100 web site. > BTW Rick, I still intend to write up some TWE stuff like we discussed > last year. My how time flies. Don't panic. I haven't been very active in my plans, either. My web-work career focus has really taken off. I focused on a field I wanted to teach in but never got the opportunity (California Agriculture) and have landed some very nice contracts. Needless to say, I'm very busy once again. Club 100 issues have taken a back burner but are not forgotten. So again, don't panic. Things take time -- especially volunteer and hobby stuff. From thedock@value.net Sun May 10 14:33:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26946 invoked from network); 10 May 1998 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 May 1998 14:33:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA13712; Sun, 10 May 1998 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Leonard Erickson cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] In-Reply-To: <980509.200028.2S1.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 9 May 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > Well, I think the best bet is to have *someone* (or several someones) > archive the files while it is still possible. *Then* we can try tracking > down authors for permission. A 6-meg archive from about a year ago is on the way to me as we speak. I will post the extent of the archive and ask for the rest. This will reduce the work. Once in-house, contacting authors is high on the list of priorities. I will probably post a list of authors and ask all the folks on the m100 maillist to help out. Let's keep something in mind: A copyright does not stop the copying process. It allows the author a legal path to follow. The copyright laws also allow copying for educational purposes and other freedoms of use. Furthermore, there are questions about copyrights applied to works online, especially program code that is otherwise in the public domain by custom and use. And, there have been plenty of questions about the legality of how CIS imposed their restriction, i.e. all subject matter posted on CIS is the property of CIS, unless otherwise posted. These are big questions that others have had a very hard, expensive time supporting. When we contact Model "T" program authors, it will be out of respect, not ncesessity. -Rick @ Club 100- From cameron@stl.dec.com Sun May 10 22:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27899 invoked from network); 10 May 1998 22:00:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.digital.com (204.123.2.50) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 May 1998 22:00:17 -0000 Received: from redbck.stl.dec.com (redbck.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.4]) by mail1.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with SMTP id QAA19420 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by redbck.stl.dec.com (5.65/fma-100391); id AA14397; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:06:22 +1000 Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA23914; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:07:39 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <3556333B.59E2@stl.dec.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:07:39 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] References: <980509.200028.2S1.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leonard Erickson wrote: > Well, I think the best bet is to have *someone* (or several someones) > archive the files while it is still possible. *Then* we can try > tracking down authors for permission. Aye, this is "reasonable" as far as a court would see it, in my opinion. If you have done all that is reasonable to try to contact the author, you may still be able to publish it provided you are clear as to where you got it from and what the author's name was on the item. I imagine that asking Compuserve to be your mediator for contacting these authors who have terminated their Compuserve membership may result in a refusal. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Tue May 12 16:20:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1580 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 16:20:26 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@208.145.132.231) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 16:20:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA28038 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:21:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:21:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: FC Error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I just got a Tandy 100 and it's great! However, I'm now having a problem. I had saved a few files (text and BASIC) just fine. Then I typed in the "FENIX" game from the Club 100 web site. Before I finished typing it, I saved it. All went fine. Later, I turned on the machine, loaded the file, and finished entering the program. When I tried to save it, it apparently successfully saved but gave me an "FC Error." I understand that's an illegal instruction. Sounds like a bug. Then I modified a text document in TEXT and tried to save it under a new name. I heard a click and the computer paused. Then it clicked again. It sounded like a modem going on/off hook. I wonder if it's trying to access the modem? I tried entering a small test program in BASIC and saving it. That went OK. Then I tried to save it again. "?FC Error". However, it saved properly. Am I using the wrong command to save, or what? There is plenty of RAM left. Thanks for your help. /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A From zmerch@30below.com Tue May 12 16:45:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1839 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 16:45:23 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 16:45:23 -0000 Content-Length: 3281 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: Quantum Seep Subject: RE: FC Error Cc: m100@list.30below.com On 12-May-98 Quantum Seep wrote: >Hi, I just got a Tandy 100 and it's great! However, I'm now having >a problem. I had saved a few files (text and BASIC) just fine. >Then I typed in the "FENIX" game from the Club 100 web site. Before >I finished typing it, I saved it. All went fine. Later, I turned >on the machine, loaded the file, and finished entering the program. >When I tried to save it, it apparently successfully saved but gave >me an "FC Error." I understand that's an illegal instruction. >Sounds like a bug. Okay -- where did you save the file, to RAM, to cassette, or to disk? Basic programs default to saving to RAM, but if you issue a: "save cas:xxxxx.bas" it will be saved to cassette, and a: "save 0:xxxxx.bas" it will be saved to disk drive 0 of the DVI (I think that's right.) Also, an FC error is not an illegal instruction, per se... you would see a SN error (Syntax error) if you typed in an instruction that doesn't exist. The FC error stands for an illegal function call error -- you tried to call a function with a parameter that was out of specs. The Tandy 100 screen is (i believe -- I have a T200) 240 pixels wide by 64 pixels deep, and you can actually make lines & stuff on the display thru basic. The command: line (0,0)-(239,63),b,1 should actually make a black box all the way around the display. If you tried to actually call the line function like this: line (-1,-1)-(280,280),b,99 you would get an FC error because: 1) you cannot use negative numbers in coordinate systems on this machine, 2) the upper coordinates are both too high for the screen (remember, it's 240x64) 3) the last number (where the 99 is) is the color number, and there's only two colors on the display -- black, and not-black. the FC error should have given you a line number -- check that line number for a typo in a number to a function call, or if the call is derived from an expression, there may be an error in that. (misplacing a + for a - or somthing like that). >Then I modified a text document in TEXT and tried to save it under a >new name. I heard a click and the computer paused. Then it clicked >again. It sounded like a modem going on/off hook. I wonder if >it's trying to access the modem? When you edit a text document, every edit you make is made to the RAM document in real time... you don't have to save a RAM doc before you exit. When you explicitly execute the save command while in TEXT, it assumes you want to save the file to cassette. That clicking sound you heard is the cassette remote relay clicking on and off, every 256 bytes of text information I believe. >I tried entering a small test program in BASIC and saving it. That >went OK. Then I tried to save it again. "?FC Error". However, >it saved properly. Am I using the wrong command to save, or what? >There is plenty of RAM left. Thanks for your help. If you actually listed that short program here, we would be able to tell you much more easily why it was having a problem running. Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ I dote on his very absence. -- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice" From thedock@value.net Tue May 12 21:17:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3018 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 21:17:09 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 21:17:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA10882; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Quantum Seep cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sounds like you were saving to tape. The clicking noise is the tape relay. Try this: TEXT: To use the TEXT program, you are asked to enter a filename before you can begin ... a 1 to 6 character filename, starting with an alpha character. When you exit the TEXT program, the file is automatically saved. You use the function key, or . BASIC: To save a program you've keyed into the BASIC editor, you simply put in the command save"filename and hit . The file will be saved in a tokenized form (not ASCII). The formal method, although not necessary, is save"filename.ba" and hit . Your function key will also exit the BASIC interperter. The word menu will do the same thing. To save a basic file to an ASCII file (.do) the command is save"filename.do" and hit . To save a file to tape (assuming you have the CCR-81 or 82 (the 82 is the best), the command is csave"filename and hit . Most folks key in program code using the TEXT editor -- it's easier that way. To bring that code into the BASIC editor, the command (in BASIC) is load"filename and hit . Formally, the command is load"filename.do" and hit . I will assume that the FC error you received is due to an input error on your part, not a "bug" in code that's been online since the mid '80's and used and tested by thousands. Sure, there are still bugs, but not in that particular program. It's very old code that's been around the block a few times. Why key programs from our site? This is crazy. Since you are using another computer to access the site, and it does not matter what other computer you are using, why not transfer the file from your other computer to your Model 100? All the files at our site, and on our bbs, are in ASCII (.DO files). Simply capture the file to your other computers hard disk or to a floppy. Connect your Model 100 via a null-modem cable to your other computer, and transfer the file. It will come in as a .do file. Then, go into BASIC and load it ... load"filename , then once loaded, save it as a .ba file with save"filename . If you're using a DOS/Windows computer, you will find a file named DL-ARC.EXE in the "member uploads" category of our library. Download it, make a sub-directory named c:\root, place it in that sub-directory and run it. All the docs are included in ASCII files with extensions of .doc. Welcome to Club 100 as a new member, now that you own a Model 100 computer. It's a wonderful, fun tool for which every day is an adventure in learning. To learn more about the BASIC commands, you will find the complete language in the "technical" area of our library. Have fun... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html On Tue, 12 May 1998, Quantum Seep wrote: > Hi, I just got a Tandy 100 and it's great! However, I'm now having > a problem. I had saved a few files (text and BASIC) just fine. > Then I typed in the "FENIX" game from the Club 100 web site. Before > I finished typing it, I saved it. All went fine. Later, I turned > on the machine, loaded the file, and finished entering the program. > When I tried to save it, it apparently successfully saved but gave > me an "FC Error." I understand that's an illegal instruction. > Sounds like a bug. > > Then I modified a text document in TEXT and tried to save it under a > new name. I heard a click and the computer paused. Then it clicked > again. It sounded like a modem going on/off hook. I wonder if > it's trying to access the modem? > > I tried entering a small test program in BASIC and saving it. That > went OK. Then I tried to save it again. "?FC Error". However, > it saved properly. Am I using the wrong command to save, or what? > There is plenty of RAM left. Thanks for your help. > > /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- > PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A > > From thedock@value.net Tue May 12 21:38:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3234 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 21:38:54 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 21:38:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA15745 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 May 1998, Jennifer Jones wrote: > Yes, I agree... stuff does tend to disappear, and it would be a damn shame > to lose it all out of hesitation. :) Let's remember that most all the "best stuff" was written in the late 80s to early 90s. And, since we've been here before (meaning that our librarian has already gone through this in the early 90s) there are lots of duplications and early work mixed in with the "final copy". > Cool. Hey, is there a difference between the way CI$ catalogged their > M100 files and the way Club 100 does? I don't know the CI$ system, but > I like the way Club 100 has it done, in terms of catagories. The CIS categories were set up in the early to mid 80s by the first sysop of the M100SIG (special interest group). I clearly recall several club meetings where we hashed over a much better group of categories. > It will be nice to have a sort of definitive package to work from. Ahmmm... yeah but this is going to be a job and a half. I have other files that are not on any system, to add to this "ultimate" soup. This is a BIG JOB! But what the hey... we are Club 100... it is our lot in life, I guess. -Rick- From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Tue May 12 21:39:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3340 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 21:39:29 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@208.145.132.231) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 21:39:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20135 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:40:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for the responses to my problem. Let me explain a couple of things. I was posting about two different problems. One was the bit about saving a TEXT file. I understand now that it was trying to save to cassette. The other problem was the FC Error. Now this problem had nothing to do specifically with the program that I typed in from the web site. It was not a runtime error. It happened when I typed a simple command in immediate mode: save"fenix" I also tried variants such as save"ram:fenix" and save"fenix". What happened was, I typed the program in in BASIC mode, and saved it, partially complete, to RAM. Later I finished entering the program, and tried to save it again, using the same command above. It is this save command which generated the "?FC Error". Please also note that this error had nothing to do with the FENIX program specifically. I was able to reproduce this problem with other BASIC files. The first time I save it, it's fine. If I try to save again, it works, but I get this error. That is, it is correctly saving the file to RAM, but giving me this error anyway. I do not own a cassette. All of these saves are being done to RAM. As to why I typed it in: it's fun! I like typing in programs. If 15-year old computers can be fun, why not typing in listings? Besides, I'd need to snag my modem cable, and my roommate might need to use it today. (I have successfully connected my M100 and PC.) Maybe most of you don't enter programs in BASIC mode, so you haven't noticed this problem. I'm thinking perhaps I'm supposed to denote the fact that I'm saving over an existing file. Like on the Commodore 64, where you can save initally with SAVE"FILE",8 but subsequently need to write SAVE"@0:FILE",8. Thanks again for all your help. /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A From james.cameron@digital.com Tue May 12 22:03:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3572 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 22:03:12 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 22:03:12 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with ESMTP id TAA24277; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA18744; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:10:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA30479; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:10:15 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <3558D6D7.167E@digital.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:10:15 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Quantum Seep Cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quantum Seep wrote: > Then I typed in the "FENIX" game from the Club 100 web site. Before > I finished typing it, I saved it. All went fine. Later, I turned > on the machine, loaded the file, and finished entering the program. > When I tried to save it, it apparently successfully saved but gave > me an "FC Error." I understand that's an illegal instruction. > Sounds like a bug. Did you try to run the program _at all_ before saving it? If so, I'd give 95% odds that you made a typo in entering the code. I've had a look at the code, which is available on the net as URL ftp://ftp.value.net/pub/thedock/c100/gam/fenix.ba and I found a few POKE instructions. All it takes is for you to miss one letter or make a small mistake either in the POKEs, the PEEKs that the POKEs use, or the setting of the variables. Been there, crashed that. What can happen is that the misdirected POKEs affect BASIC's in-memory tables or pointers. Corruption of the variable list or statement list can result, which will yield "undefined" behaviour. What you describe reminds me of similar random POKEs on my machines. To fix this, save all that you can from the machine onto another machine, then force a cold reset using SHIFT/BREAK/RESET combination. To diagnose it would require some hours of your time understanding how BASIC stores variables and statements for a program. It would take me about six hours to fully diagnose the problem with the machine in front of me and another working machine next to it. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From thedock@value.net Tue May 12 22:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3679 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 22:04:46 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 22:04:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id QAA22779; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Quantum Seep cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 May 1998, Quantum Seep wrote: > What happened was, I typed the program in in BASIC mode, and saved it, > partially complete, to RAM. Later I finished entering the program, and > tried to save it again, using the same command above. It is this save > command which generated the "?FC Error". Ah! I see the problem. The FC Error is due to duplicate filenames. Here's the deal... When you saved the program the first time, it made the .ba file. Then, when you attempted to save it again, using the same filename, you got the error. The detail that you missed, was that all changes in BASIC are made to the original file, i.e. it's already saved! All you have to do is exit the BASIC interpreter. All changes you made were automatically made to the working copy. I don't know if you know this but, when in BASCI, you can edit the whole file or just parts using the TEXT program. By entering EDIT at the BASIC prompt, all the code is pipped into the TEXT program. Upon exit, the entire file overwrites the working code. Also, EDIT 10-50 will bring just lines 10-50 into the editor. Once again, exit the editor with and your changes to lines 10-50 will replace the old lines -- regardless if you changed them or not -- you'll see a "WAIT" blinking, then the OK appears. > As to why I typed it in: it's fun! I like typing in programs. If > 15-year old computers can be fun, why not typing in listings? Oh yeah! I'm with you, my friend. In the early days, the only way we got code into the Model 100 was to key it. Hey, that's how we learned. In fact, 80 Micro, Portable 100, PCM, Truly Portable, and several books, had code... lots and lots of code! We spent countless hours in coding bliss... then shared the code with all our friends via BBSes, such as the Club 100 bbs at 925-939-1246. Then we'd change things, and others would change things and revision after revision would fly around the world until the "ultimate" code was finally made and the documentation written... ...and then some wise-in-himer would do something a bit different and it started all over again. And oh my, oh my, oh my would tempers flare. Us free spirits had no problem with "floating code" -- an ever changing, evolving adventure -- but the "got-to-be-one-way" kind of folks threw all sorts of fits... cause now they had to go into their neat, little libraries and upgrade their lists, and their backups, and their neatly printed out and binderedized printouts. ...then just to be stinkers we'd do it again ... or at least that is what they thought! :-( ) And now you know the reason beer and pizza was invented: To give us something to refresh us as we plotted, secretly, to mess up all those neat little minds. AHHHH HA! -Rick @ Club 100- From zmerch@30below.com Tue May 12 22:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3861 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 22:18:46 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 22:18:46 -0000 Content-Length: 1600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: thedock@value.net Subject: Re: FC Error Cc: m100@list.30below.com On 12-May-98 thedock@value.net wrote: Rick, Three little caveats, but all-in-all a very good help posting! 1) >To save a basic file to an ASCII file (.do) the command is >save"filename.do" and hit . To save the basic file as ASCII, you need to do this: save"filena.do",a the ,a on the end means "Don't tokenize this!" or else the .do file will still be tokenized! 2) >Most folks key in program code using the TEXT editor -- it's easier that >way. To bring that code into the BASIC editor, the command (in BASIC) is >load"filename and hit . Formally, the command is >load"filename.do" and hit . If it's a .do file, you cannot use the load"filena type of command. Basic always assumes a .ba extension, so if the file doesn't have a .ba, you have to expicitly provide it. The load"filena.do" will work fine, tho. The Basic interpreter will auto-tokenize when loading an ASCII file this way. 3) It seems, my friend, that you have been bitten by the "Dos-Bug", as (I'm sure you do know!) that the M100/T102/T200 only has 6.2 filenames, not 8.2, so "filename.do" would not be a valid filename to use on the 100. Yes, I know it's a small oversight (and I do it as well!) but especially as this was a beginner asking, it may have confused him. That's the only reason I pointed it out. And, may I say, "Damn, it's nice to have this list back again!" Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ He who laughs, lasts. From thedock@value.net Tue May 12 22:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4011 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 22:26:16 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 22:26:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id QAA27374; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Roger Merchberger cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 May 1998, Roger Merchberger wrote: > Yes, I know it's a small oversight (and I do it as well!) but especially > as this was a beginner asking, it may have confused him. That's the only > reason I pointed it out. I stand corrected, sir. Well actually, I'm sitting but what the hey! :-) Thanks for the corrections. I should have known better but it's been so long... I'll do better in the future. > And, may I say, "Damn, it's nice to have this list back again!" Yeah... sure is nice. See, your efforts on behalf of us all are soooooooo important. One person does make a difference. Thank you. -Rick- From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Tue May 12 22:44:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4201 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 22:44:53 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@208.145.132.231) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 22:44:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA24881 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:45:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks all, I get it now. It's transient until the first save. After that, all changes are automatically saved. In other words, "saving" the file really just means giving it a directory entry. BTW, the "Fenix" game works great. Well, the score display is a little buggy. I'll try to fix that. If your timer is in triple digits, your high score is 3 digits and so is your current score, it causes the screen to scroll constantly. I'm working on it. One other thing... I seem to be getting duplicates of the messages on this list. Perhaps I'm on it twice? /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A From zmerch@30below.com Tue May 12 22:47:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4313 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 22:47:20 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 22:47:20 -0000 Content-Length: 924 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: Roger Merchberger Subject: Re: FC Error Cc: m100@list.30below.com, thedock@value.net On 12-May-98 Roger Merchberger wrote: >On 12-May-98 thedock@value.net wrote: >1) >>To save a basic file to an ASCII file (.do) the command is >>save"filename.do" and hit . > >To save the basic file as ASCII, you need to do this: > >save"filena.do",a > >the ,a on the end means "Don't tokenize this!" or else the .do file will still >be tokenized! Sir Cameron instructed me that Rick is correct - that if you specify a .do on the end, you don't *need* the ,a afterwards... (but you can still put it on, and it will work fine, like most other Microsoft basics of the time) So Rick is right on this... cool. Just thought you'd all like to know. Happy Computing, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Girls who throw themselves at men, are actually taking very careful aim. From zmerch@30below.com Tue May 12 22:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4429 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 22:50:25 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 May 1998 22:50:25 -0000 Content-Length: 945 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error On 12-May-98 Quantum Seep wrote: >One other thing... I seem to be getting duplicates of the messages >on this list. Perhaps I'm on it twice? Are you getting dupes of all messages, or messages on just this topic? I know I cc:'ed the message to you as well as to the list, so you would have receive an extra copy... if others did the same, you would see two copies of the message in that instance. (folks not on the list can still e-mail the list, so they may not get a response unless cc:'ed to them directly.) Did you get two copies of this message? I only sent it to the list. If not, you're fine. If so, let me know directly and I'll check out the subscription database. Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ To be a kind of moral Unix, he touched the hem of Nature's shift. -- Shelley From thedock@value.net Wed May 13 05:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6408 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 05:07:18 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 05:07:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id XAA29600 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 May 1998, Quantum Seep wrote: > "saving" the file really just means giving it a directory entry. BINGO! > One other thing... I seem to be getting duplicates of the messages on > this list. Perhaps I'm on it twice? Yeah, we all know. Roger said he's working on that but at least we have a list again. To eliminate the duplicates, move the "cc" address when you reply to the "to" address line. It's a bit more work, and I have failed to remember to do this all day long, but it does work. -Rick- From thedock@value.net Wed May 13 05:11:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6522 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 05:11:27 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 05:11:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id XAA00153 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: FC Error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 May 1998, Roger Merchberger wrote: > Sir Cameron instructed me that Rick is correct - that if you specify a .do on > the end, you don't *need* the ,a afterwards. You mean I got something correct! Holy Moly it "was" a good day after all! Way cool! Thanks! -Rick- From thedock@value.net Wed May 13 05:17:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6643 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 05:17:21 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 05:17:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id XAA00748 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:24:39 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Message Base In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Roger: How do you feel about the list? Is it time to make a big announcement for folks to get back on, or do you want to wait awhile? I can gleen my data base for e-mail addresses, and can gleen all the e-mail addresses from the forsale, wanted and guest book databases. Also, I make a separate page at the Club 100 web site announcing the new list since the one you had at "that other place" went bye bye... and you didn't let me know if you built a replacement -- I sent a note to you regarding this about a week or so ago. So, do you want to make a separate signup page or use the one I built over at the Club 100 site? -Rick- From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Wed May 13 09:54:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7190 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 09:54:33 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 09:54:33 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:03:05 PST To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980513.000305.3y3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:03:05 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail you write: > On Sat, 9 May 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > >> Well, I think the best bet is to have *someone* (or several someones) >> archive the files while it is still possible. *Then* we can try tracking >> down authors for permission. > > A 6-meg archive from about a year ago is on the way to me as we speak. I > will post the extent of the archive and ask for the rest. This will > reduce the work. Once in-house, contacting authors is high on the list > of priorities. I will probably post a list of authors and ask all the > folks on the m100 maillist to help out. > > Let's keep something in mind: A copyright does not stop the copying > process. It allows the author a legal path to follow. The copyright laws > also allow copying for educational purposes and other freedoms of use. > Furthermore, there are questions about copyrights applied to works online, > especially program code that is otherwise in the public domain by custom > and use. And, there have been plenty of questions about the legality of > how CIS imposed their restriction, i.e. all subject matter posted on CIS > is the property of CIS, unless otherwise posted. These are big questions > that others have had a very hard, expensive time supporting. I've been involved with a couple CIS copyright enforcement efforts. What they are claiming is "compilation copyright". That's the sort of copyright the editor of a collection of stories or articles has on the *collection*. And CIS has a quite legitimate claim to that type of copyright. Taking the *whole* M100SIG library and putting on line is *absolutely* grounds for CIS to sue you. Ditto for taking it and editing it down to some sort of "best of" collection. > When we contact Model "T" program authors, it will be out of respect, not > ncesessity. Better have a *long* talk with a copyright lawyer first. Unless you can show that the material is freely available elsewhere, or that the author gave you permission, posting substantial portions of *any* SIGs library will get you sued when CIS finds out. And they have *won* such cases in the past. Again, they do not have a copyright on the inidividual files, but on the *collection* of files. Thus posting the whole thing is the *worst* thing you can do. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Wed May 13 09:54:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7224 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 09:54:36 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 09:54:36 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:12:11 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: James Cameron Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980513.001211.1b5.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:12:11 PST In-Reply-To: <3556333B.59E2@stl.dec.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, cameron@stl.dec.com writes: > Leonard Erickson wrote: >> Well, I think the best bet is to have *someone* (or several someones) >> archive the files while it is still possible. *Then* we can try >> tracking down authors for permission. > > Aye, this is "reasonable" as far as a court would see it, in my opinion. > > If you have done all that is reasonable to try to contact the author, > you may still be able to publish it provided you are clear as to where > you got it from and what the author's name was on the item. Not as I understand compilation copyright. > I imagine that asking Compuserve to be your mediator for contacting > these authors who have terminated their Compuserve membership may result > in a refusal. More likely in a "cease and desist" order from their lawyers. See my other post for details. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Wed May 13 09:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7258 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 09:54:39 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 09:54:39 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:16:08 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Quantum Seep Subject: Re: FC Error From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980513.001608.8m6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:16:08 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, qseep@shells.technojunkie.com writes: > The other problem was the FC Error. Now this problem had nothing > to do specifically with the program that I typed in from the web > site. It was not a runtime error. It happened when I typed a > simple command in immediate mode: > > save"fenix" > > I also tried variants such as save"ram:fenix" and save"fenix". > > What happened was, I typed the program in in BASIC mode, and > saved it, partially complete, to RAM. Later I finished entering > the program, and tried to save it again, using the same command > above. It is this save command which generated the "?FC Error". Ah! The problem is that when you first saved the program you created the file FENIX.BA. Then later you (I assume) went into BASIC and used the command LOAD"FENIX" to load the program. Then you finished entering it. Then you got the error message when you tried the save. What happened is this. When the LOAD command executed, the FENIX.BA *became* the current BASIC environment. Your edits were on the actual file. You couldn't save it because the file was already open! I know that exiting to the menu will save the program ok. I'm not sure if typing NEW would save it and move you into an empty BASIC workspace or not. I *think* it will. > If I try to save again, it works, but I get this error. That is, > it is correctly saving the file to RAM, but giving me this error > anyway. No, it's *not* saving it. It's *already* saved. In the 100 and it's clones, when editing a file (BASIC or TEXT) you are working on the *actual* file, not a copy. This takes some getting used to. Also, there's a hidden file name for the file created when you start entering code in BASIC without having used SAVE. And another for the paste buffer. And I think there's a third one for the "file" created when you use EDIT in BASIC. > Maybe most of you don't enter programs in BASIC mode, so you haven't > noticed this problem. I'm thinking perhaps I'm supposed to denote > the fact that I'm saving over an existing file. It's denoting the fact that you are trying to save to an *open* file. Once named, you never have to use SAVE on the file again. Though you can do things like SAVE"FENIX.DO" to save a *copy* as a text file. I've done a *lot* of BASIC program writing, as I've had a 100 since shortly after they went on the market. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Wed May 13 13:30:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 140 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 13:30:57 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@208.145.132.231) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 13:30:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA02428 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:32:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Duplicate messages? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Right, I think the duplicate messages were coming just because people were CCing me. However, I noticed another problem I am having with the list - when I send a message to it, I get a message back from mailer daemon saying the message was undeliverable for 4 hours. And sometimes other strange errors. Yet, the posts go through. /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Wed May 13 13:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 304 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 13:54:25 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 13:54:25 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 13 May 1998 15:03:08 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA45223 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:05:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Kevin Slater" From: "Kevin Slater" To: Subject: Chivalry Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:00:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd7e7f$ed3594e0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01BD7E56.045F8CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BD7E56.045F8CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable chiv.al.ry n., pl. -ries b. A gallant or courteous act. I must say I really enjoy this list, as a flame war doesn't break out = when someone is wrong.=20 (i.e.) Sir Rick: You save the file this way. Sir Roger: No you don't need to save it that way. Sir Rick: Well I stand(er sit) corrected. Sir James: No you can save it Rick's way. Sir Roger: Well I stand(er sit) corrected. My hats off to all gentlepersons on this list for not getting nasty when = we are corrected. Kevin B. Slater kevin.slater@ingrambook.com (work) kslater@edge.net (home) ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BD7E56.045F8CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
chiv.al.ry n., pl. -ries b. A gallant or courteous=20 act.
 
I must say I really enjoy this list, = as a flame=20 war doesn't break out when someone is wrong.
 
(i.e.)
Sir Rick: You save the file this=20 way.
 
Sir Roger: No you don't need to save = it that=20 way.
 
Sir Rick: Well I stand(er sit)=20 corrected.
 
Sir James: No you can save it Rick's = way.
 
Sir Roger: Well I stand(er sit)=20 corrected.
 
My hats off to all gentlepersons on = this list=20 for not getting nasty when we are corrected.
 
Kevin B. Slater
kevin.slater@ingrambook.com=20 (work)
kslater@edge.net=20 (home)
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01BD7E56.045F8CE0-- From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Wed May 13 13:58:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 432 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 13:58:27 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 13:58:27 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 13 May 1998 15:07:09 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA45243 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:09:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Kevin Slater" From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: Sorry about HTML post. Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd7e80$7ca2ce40$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sorry I didn't have plain text turned on. Kevin From thedock@value.net Wed May 13 14:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 726 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 14:56:47 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 14:56:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA03286 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [compuserve & cd-rom] In-Reply-To: <980513.000305.3y3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 May 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > Again, they do not have a copyright on the inidividual files, but on the > *collection* of files. Thus posting the whole thing is the *worst* thing > you can do. I understand. Most of all the good stuff we already have had online for years under our own cataloging invention. I would never post the entire CIS collection cause most of it is junk and we decided years ago that their cataloging was not correct. If anything, individual programs will be pulled to add to our collection using our cataloging scheme. No, the CIS collection is dead as it stands and will never be revived in its present form. The Club 100 library we get some enhansements and have programs not found in any other collection. I do greatly appreciate the many concerns I've received from all of you and will definately not break the rules. Please, let's all rest easy on this subject. Thank you. -Rick- From thedock@value.net Wed May 13 15:13:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 857 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 15:13:13 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 15:13:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA06527 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Duplicate messages? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 May 1998, Quantum Seep wrote: > list - when I send a message to it, I get a message back from mailer > daemon saying the message was undeliverable for 4 hours. And sometimes > other strange errors. Yet, the posts go through. I know. This "error" just started. It's cause by some dingbat who didn't key in their e-mail address correctly. Hopefully, Roger will notice it and delete that entry. Roger is the keeper of the database, which I believe is still in manual mode, i.e. he puts people on and take them off. Let's see what he says about this. -Rick- From thedock@value.net Wed May 13 15:16:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 971 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 15:16:31 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 15:16:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA07232 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Chivalry In-Reply-To: <01bd7e7f$ed3594e0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 13 May 1998, Kevin Slater wrote: > chiv.al.ry n., pl. -ries b. A gallant or courteous act. > I must say I really enjoy this list, as a flame war doesn't break out > when someone is wrong. > My hats off to all gentlepersons on this list for not getting nasty when > we are corrected. What a very nice thing to say, Kevin. Thank you, my friend. You made my day, for sure. -Rick- From zmerch@30below.com Wed May 13 18:03:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1693 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 18:03:02 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 18:03:02 -0000 Content-Length: 1983 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Duplicate messages? On 13-May-98 thedock@value.net wrote: >On Wed, 13 May 1998, Quantum Seep wrote: > >> list - when I send a message to it, I get a message back from mailer >> daemon saying the message was undeliverable for 4 hours. And sometimes >> other strange errors. Yet, the posts go through. >I know. This "error" just started. It's cause by some dingbat who didn't >key in their e-mail address correctly. Almost, Rick (but a darned good try on your part!) The "deferral" message was because that particular user's mailbox is either full, or he moved his service and the old ISP didn't eliminate the old username correctly. There were also some "route to host not found" messages involving four other users -- all 5 addresses have been commented out of the database, but not totally whacked -- so if those folks mail me it won't be hard to re-add them in. > Hopefully, Roger will notice it >and delete that entry. Roger is the keeper of the database, which I >believe is still in manual mode, i.e. he puts people on and take them off. >Let's see what he says about this. -Rick- Well, the list is in "semi-automatic" mode -- the web page won't be up until Friday, but the automatic mail address - m100-request@list.30below.com - works -- and works fine for sub's. However, I think there's a bug for the unsubbing; I think it's case sensative... so if the address to delete doesn't exactly match in case to what you sent it, it may not think you're on the list. That should be fixed Friday or so as well. Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Will Rogers, having paid too much income tax one year, tried in vain to claim a rebate. His numerous letters and queries remained unanswered. Eventually the form for the next year's return arrived. In the section marked "DEDUCTIONS," Rogers listed: "Bad debt, US Government -- $40,000." From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Wed May 13 20:00:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2513 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 20:00:13 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 20:00:13 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:01 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Quantum Seep Subject: Re: Duplicate messages? From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980513.125901.7H2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:59:01 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, qseep@shells.technojunkie.com writes: > Right, I think the duplicate messages were coming just because people > were CCing me. However, I noticed another problem I am having with the > list - when I send a message to it, I get a message back from mailer > daemon saying the message was undeliverable for 4 hours. And sometimes > other strange errors. Yet, the posts go through. What's happening is that due to the way the list is doing the message headers, any messages to folks on the list that run into problems (like a bad address) get bounced back to the person who *sent* the message, rather than the list maintainer. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Wed May 13 20:53:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2882 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 20:53:41 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@208.145.132.231) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 20:53:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA23324 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:55:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: 80C85 assembly? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've found a cross assembler for the 80C85, but I need documentation for the instruction set. I didn't have any luck searching the web. I also couldn't find any books available below $50. Does anyone know a web site where I can find this info, or have a doc they could mail me? Or a book to sell me, cheap? Thanks. These days you just get used to finding that kind of stuff on the web. I was just reading all about programming the PA-RISC on HP's site. I know the C64 and 6502 docs are out there too. /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A From james.cameron@digital.com Wed May 13 22:48:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3409 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 May 1998 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with ESMTP id TAA31730 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA27464; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:56:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA00006; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:56:45 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <355A333D.6201@digital.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:56:45 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: 80C85 assembly? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use a Z-80 assembler instead. I haven't found any documentation on the web for the instruction sets ... but then I haven't looked very hard either. I can provide the C code for the Z80 assembler I use. It's at home though, and I'm at work. Nowadays I use it mainly to rebuild my FORTH kernel for my Tandy 102's. I also have a ZDIS.C for dissassembly. I definitely have that code here at work. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From dgould@raider.grcc.cc.mi.us Thu May 14 21:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8341 invoked from network); 14 May 1998 21:20:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO raider.grcc.cc.mi.us) (198.110.72.5) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 May 1998 21:20:08 -0000 Received: by raider.grcc.cc.mi.us; id AA08692; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:28:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199805141826350250.00E285E7@raider.grcc.cc.mi.us> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.41.05 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:26:35 -0400 From: "David Gould" To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: serial xfer problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got a 102 I use mostly for writing reports. I've used a null-modem= cable and I've always been able to send and receive files without= problems. Until yesterday I hadn't used it in a few months. Now I can= send files from the 102 to the PC without a hitch (using an old version of= Procomm Plus, as usual) but sending files to the 102 doesn't work. I= tried 102's terminal program and some characters come through and others= only come through as wacky high-ascii. It only garbles certain= characters, which never come through, and other certain characters always= come through. I didn't (but should have) make a note of which characters= don't get through. I've tried it with and without CTS/RTS and XON/XOFF= but it doesn't make any difference. Why would it be doing that, and how= should I fix it? David Gould From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Fri May 15 17:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11369 invoked from network); 15 May 1998 17:00:18 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 15 May 1998 17:00:18 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26939 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA26728; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:07:24 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Zip drive To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whatever happened to the attempt to figure out the Zip drive protocol? I forget the name of the person on the list who wanted to attempt it. Any extra info (good or bad) happen while the listserv was offline? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! Do not go gentle into that good night, NEC PC-8201A ! Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Tandy 102 ! Rage, rage at the dying of the light. -- D Thomas From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat May 16 03:57:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14155 invoked from network); 16 May 1998 03:57:44 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 16 May 1998 03:57:44 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:00:28 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: David Firth Subject: Re: Zip drive From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980515.220028.9H6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:00:28 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us writes: > Whatever happened to the attempt to figure out the Zip drive protocol? I > forget the name of the person on the list who wanted to attempt it. Any > extra info (good or bad) happen while the listserv was offline? The problem is that even if we knew the protocol, the M100 printer port doesn't have all the lines required for even the *lowest* level printer port that the drive will talk to. :-( -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sat May 16 21:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16912 invoked from network); 16 May 1998 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 16 May 1998 21:26:43 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA12485 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA02957; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:33:19 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Zip drive (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> Whatever happened to the attempt to figure out the Zip drive protocol? I >The problem is that even if we knew the protocol, the M100 printer port >doesn't have all the lines required for even the *lowest* level printer >port that the drive will talk to. :-( Correct. The idea was to attach a second parallel port either as a conversion off the serial port or as a new port tied to the system bus. This was part of the project. From thedock@value.net Sun May 17 14:31:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19412 invoked from network); 17 May 1998 14:31:36 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 May 1998 14:31:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA09086 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 08:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: serial xfer problem In-Reply-To: <199805141826350250.00E285E7@raider.grcc.cc.mi.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 1998, David Gould wrote: > I've got a 102 I use mostly for writing reports. I've used a null-modem > cable and I've always been able to send and receive files without > problems. Until yesterday I hadn't used it in a few months. Now I can > send files from the 102 to the PC without a hitch (using an old version > of Procomm Plus, as usual) but sending files to the 102 doesn't work. David: Before you panic, try doing a cold start. It was discovered several years ago by some of our local members that a cold start would fix certain things. There are a number of ways to do a cold start. 1) Turn off the Memory Power on the bottom of the machine and leave it off for an hour. This, of course, is the long way to go about it. 2) With the Model 102 turned on, hold down on the and keys. Maintain pressure on those keys. Press in on the key on the back edge of the machine. Hold all three for a second. Release the key then release the other two keys. -- Note: It's 1989... little by little these machines will go away -- get harder to find and will fail. Look for and buy all the 102s you can find in your local area. Start now. I covered a few of the sources in my last newsletter at the Club 100 web site. -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From InfoBBS@aol.com Sun May 17 14:58:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19545 invoked from network); 17 May 1998 14:58:05 -0000 Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.70) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 May 1998 14:58:05 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id NIXJa02437 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:05:35 -0400 (EDT) From: InfoBBS Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:05:35 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Printer Paper Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I have a m100 and love the machine!! I also have a TRP-100(26-1275) which is a printer that Radio Shack made for the m100. Would like to know if anyone has found the thermal paper for it (76-1003). Could buy it though RSU or somewhere.. Shea From thedock@value.net Sun May 17 15:10:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19684 invoked from network); 17 May 1998 15:10:28 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 May 1998 15:10:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA12025; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: To: InfoBBS cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printer Paper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 17 May 1998, InfoBBS wrote: > I have a m100 and love the machine!! I also have a TRP-100(26-1275) > which is a printer that Radio Shack made for the m100. Would like to > know if anyone has found the thermal paper for it (76-1003). Could buy > it though RSU or somewhere.. Shea The TRP-100 will use fax paper. Please go ahead and try it. You will not hurt the TRP-100 by trying it with off-the-shelf thermal fax paper. -Rick @ Club 100- From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon May 18 09:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22223 invoked from network); 18 May 1998 09:59:45 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 May 1998 09:59:45 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 18 May 1998 04:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 18 May 1998 00:25:56 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: InfoBBS Subject: Re: Printer Paper From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980518.002556.6j8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:25:56 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, InfoBBS@aol.com writes: > I have a m100 and love the machine!! I also have a TRP-100(26-1275) > which is a printer that Radio Shack made for the m100. Would like to > know if anyone has found the thermal paper for it (76-1003). Could > buy it though RSU or somewhere.. Check with paper stores in your area. You need thermal paper that prints *black* rather than blue. And give them the roll width, and a guess about the roll diameter and center hole size. They'll likely have *something* that'll work. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From InfoBBS@aol.com Mon May 18 14:23:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22777 invoked from network); 18 May 1998 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.70) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 May 1998 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id NTOCa02437 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: InfoBBS Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:30:52 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Tape Recocder for m100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Hello,I have a Model 100 and looking to see what you people use for your Tape Recoder on your 100's. And I already have the cable for it. And what do you use for tapes? Shea From thedock@value.net Mon May 18 14:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22912 invoked from network); 18 May 1998 14:38:56 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 May 1998 14:38:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA25902 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 08:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tape Recocder for m100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 May 1998, InfoBBS wrote: > Hello,I have a Model 100 and looking to see what you people use for your > Tape Recoder on your 100's. And I already have the cable for it. And > what do you use for tapes? Shea Although tape is almost a dead issue for regular use, replaced by the tpdd, tpdd2 (Tandy Portable Disk Drive or Disk Drive 2) or file transfers to another computer (see Club 100 web site, library, member uploads, DL-ARC.EXE), tape still works okay and is okay if you are not in a hurry, will keep yourself organized, and make multiple copies and/or test all your copies. Tandy offered two tape recorders for use with the Model 100 series. They both start with CCR, short for Computer Cassette Recorder. Model 81 and Model 82. The 82 was the best. It was much smaller than the 81 and had a "P" setting (program) that kicked in a square wave circuit. The best tape to use was the cheapest, non-anything! Leaderless tape is good but you may use tape with a leader, knowing that you must forward the tape past the leader before recording. Tape is linear and thus must be managed for file length. Most folks use one tape per file (word processing, database, etc.), or store programs (assuming that the programs will not grow in length) on one tape -- annotating where on the tape each program begins. Why? Because tape has no index. But wait... along comes tape with an index. It's called waffer, requiring a waffer drive. I just happend to have one but won't part with it due to its historic value to the club. But alas, waffer never caught on, so finding one will be kind of hard and good luck finding waffer tapes. Tape works and the Model 100 has a built in tape drive connector and such for tape use. Having a tape drive is not a bad idea and could save your valuable files in an emergency. Model "T"s forever... -Rick @ Club 100- From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Mon May 18 16:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23307 invoked from network); 18 May 1998 16:04:29 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 May 1998 16:04:29 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27041 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA27146; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:04:51 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Tape Recocder for m100 (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Hello,I have a Model 100 and looking to see what you people use for your > Tape Recoder on your 100's. And I already have the cable for it. And > what do you use for tapes? Shea +++++ Many good comments from Rick (Mr. M100) snipped... Tandy offered two tape recorders for use with the Model 100 series. They both start with CCR, short for Computer Cassette Recorder. Model 81 and Model 82. The 82 was the best. It was much smaller than the 81 and had a "P" setting (program) that kicked in a square wave circuit. +++++ I have had good luck with some regular 'ol cassette recorders. The one I have now for emergency use is a GE model. Cassette recorders can be finicky. If you can find a CCR-82, you'll have fewer problems. They crop up on ebay, the Club 100 for sale area, and the comp.sys.tandy group. The best tape to use was the cheapest, non-anything! Leaderless tape is good but you may use tape with a leader, knowing that you must forward the tape past the leader before recording. +++++ The best computer cassettes were short, as well. The big C90 tapes used by people for voice can bog down a small recorder, causing small variations in tape speed. A good recorder would probably have spped control, but I recommend trying to get C30 or C15 tapes. Tape works and the Model 100 has a built in tape drive connector and such for tape use. Having a tape drive is not a bad idea and could save your valuable files in an emergency. +++++ Tape recorders are also everywhere and on a go-light trip where you want to travel without all the accessories a M100 and a cable and a tape might be the way to go (borrow the recorder when you get there). At least it looks good in theory. In reality, tape was always a bit touchy to do this all the time. From dgould@raider.grcc.cc.mi.us Mon May 18 18:30:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23913 invoked from network); 18 May 1998 18:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO raider.grcc.cc.mi.us) (198.110.72.5) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 May 1998 18:30:33 -0000 Received: by raider.grcc.cc.mi.us; id AA04075; Mon, 18 May 1998 15:40:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199805181537080270.0A71B3DD@raider.grcc.cc.mi.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.41.05 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:37:08 -0400 From: "David Gould" To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: serial xfer problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. I'll give that a try tonight. Come to think of it, it's been= sitting empty, but not cold started, for two or three months. David Gould *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/17/98, at 8:40 AM, wrote: >On Thu, 14 May 1998, David Gould wrote: > >> I've got a 102 I use mostly for writing reports. I've used a null-modem >> cable and I've always been able to send and receive files without >> problems. Until yesterday I hadn't used it in a few months. Now I can >> send files from the 102 to the PC without a hitch (using an old version >> of Procomm Plus, as usual) but sending files to the 102 doesn't work. > >David: Before you panic, try doing a cold start. It was discovered >several years ago by some of our local members that a cold start would fix >certain things. There are a number of ways to do a cold start. > >1) Turn off the Memory Power on the bottom of the machine and leave it off >for an hour. This, of course, is the long way to go about it. > >2) With the Model 102 turned on, hold down on the and keys. >Maintain pressure on those keys. Press in on the key on the back >edge of the machine. Hold all three for a second. Release the >key then release the other two keys. > >-- > >Note: It's 1989... little by little these machines will go away -- get >harder to find and will fail. Look for and buy all the 102s you can >find in your local area. Start now. I covered a few of the sources in my >last newsletter at the Club 100 web site. -Rick- > >Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net >Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) >P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 >925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 >http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From techno@owned.moron.com Tue May 19 03:41:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26507 invoked from network); 19 May 1998 03:41:07 -0000 Received: from owned.moron.com (techno@205.146.128.133) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 May 1998 03:41:07 -0000 Received: (from techno@localhost) by owned.moron.com (8.8.5/2.31337.4.U) id AAA09239; Tue, 19 May 1998 00:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Woodrow Hinkleman To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tape Recocder for m100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 18 May 1998, InfoBBS wrote: > Hello,I have a Model 100 and looking to see what you people use for your > Tape Recoder on your 100's. And I already have the cable for it. And > what do you use for tapes? Hi. In roughly 15 years of cassette-based computing, I never encountered a tape unit anywhere near as fine as the Tandy CCR-82. Besides its previously-mentioned features, it also has a switchable monitor circuit to allow record and playback audio to be heard through the speaker, a data LED, and a pause/remote-defeat switch (no more plugging and unplugging cables all the time!). Not to mention the apparently little-known speed adjustment pot which allows the unit to be set properly (in my case, several adjusted in sync with each other). The CCR-82's internal mechanism is mostly metal, rather than the flimsy plastic used in most cheap recorders, and it uses the same 4 'AA' cells (or wall wart) as the m100 itself; quite convenient (nice small size too). As far as tapes, I've had excellent luck with TDK D-60 and D-90 tapes. Most of my use of the CCR-82 has actually been with CoCos rather than m100s, but the cassette interfaces and protocols of the two machines are nearly identical (including using exactly the same cable). Works great on the m100 as well! //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---Woodrow (techno@moron.com) http://www.moron.com/~techno/ Amiga Forever --- Intel Outside! If you decide what processor to use based on a television commercial, you *DESERVE* nothing more than the Pentium. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Tue May 19 09:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27445 invoked from network); 19 May 1998 09:59:45 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 May 1998 09:59:45 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Tue, 19 May 1998 04:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 18 May 1998 22:58:23 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: InfoBBS Subject: Re: Tape Recocder for m100 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980518.225823.7g7.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:58:23 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, InfoBBS@aol.com writes: > Hello,I have a Model 100 and looking to see what you people use for your Tape > Recoder on your 100's. And I already have the cable for it. And what do you > use for tapes? I use the tape recorder Tandy sold for it. It's a nice little unit. CCR-82? As for tapes, most audio tape works just fine. I once ran into a brand of tape that for some reason *wouldn't* work for storing data, but we found they worked fine for audio. Go figure. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Tue May 19 16:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28701 invoked from network); 19 May 1998 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@208.145.132.231) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 May 1998 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA27265 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 10:49:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Tape recorders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since the Tandy tape recorders are scarce, I wonder about the feasibility of several alternatives: 1) A Walkman. I suppose I'd have to manually activate record/playback on the unit when I save/load a program. 2) A Commodore cassette recorder. These are more readily available, and can be remote activated. I wonder if connecting the right pins to the right pins would do the trick. This recorder takes it power from the connector, though. 3) A shoebox recorder with remote activated mic input. Would the remote activation on such a machine be compatible with the relay mechanism in the M100? 4) A minidisc recorder. Similar to using the Walkman, but with the advantage of random access. Each program could have its own track, and to load a particular one, I could skip to it first. 5) A PC sound card. I could attach the M100 to the audio I/O jacks on a PC, and record/play from the hard disk, saving each program as a separate file. Of course, what's the point of this, when I could connect it via the serial port? 6) CD-R. Like #5, but I burn the result to a CD, and can use a portable CD-player to load back the software. Provides random access, and much longer media life than tape. Would I need to be careful about the recording volume? /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A From InfoBBS@aol.com Wed May 20 00:47:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31060 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 00:47:26 -0000 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.35) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 00:47:26 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id NRYFa29741 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 21:54:45 +2000 (EDT) From: InfoBBS Message-ID: <868ac51c.356237e6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:54:45 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Have some questions about the TRS-80 Model 100 1. When bid Radio Shack stop selling the 100? 2. What is the diffence from the 100 and the 102? 3. Was there any program that Radio Shack sold that were on tapes? (reason I'm asking is I have PC-2(Pocket Computer 2) that I bought some tapes for that are new in the box) 4. Is Kyocera still in business today? 5. Are they still makeing this types of laptops 6. What was the cost for one of these when they were new? I'm only 20 years and I used to work at a radio shack store and someone give me this computer for free, used only once! Still in new shape. I have used other laptop computers this one is the only laptop I'm ever going to use From zmerch@30below.com Wed May 20 01:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31299 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 01:02:39 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 01:02:39 -0000 Content-Length: 1878 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <868ac51c.356237e6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: RE: Questions On 19-May-98 InfoBBS wrote: >Have some questions about the TRS-80 Model 100 > >1. When bid Radio Shack stop selling the 100? Question on this: As new equipment, or as discontinued equipment? I purchased my T200 in the spring of 1989, and it was discoed then... >2. What is the diffence from the 100 and the 102? AFAIK, it's thinner, lighter, is easier to upgrade to 32K (later 102's came standard with 32K) had a few bug-fixes in the ROM, and a different Bus expander interface. (100 had a 40-pin-DIP, T200 & 102 had a 40-pin-header.) >3. Was there any program that Radio Shack sold that were on tapes? Most of the proggies for this were sold on tape -- I still have Romulus Chess for the T200 on tape. I even tried to save it to floppy, and it was too big to have the program & the DOS in RAM at the same time! > (reason I'm asking is I have PC-2(Pocket Computer 2) that I bought some tapes > for that are new in the box) If you stumble across any more PC-2's, lemme know. I would love to have one again! >4. Is Kyocera still in business today? Yes, I think they make laptops, but I *know* they make laser printers. >5. Are they still makeing this types of laptops Sadly, no. >6. What was the cost for one of these when they were new? IIRC, my T200 cost me $399 (USD) discoed. I'll look into my 1987 R.S. Computer Catalog at home if I remember. >I'm only 20 years and I used to work at a radio shack store and someone give >me this computer for free, used only once! Still in new shape. I have used >other laptop computers this one is the only laptop I'm ever going to use You lucky dog! ;-) HTH, "Merch" --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Marriage is a great institution -- but I'm not ready for an institution yet. -- Mae West From charles@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com Wed May 20 03:39:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32240 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 03:39:31 -0000 Received: from telops.gte.net (@206.251.127.17) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 03:39:31 -0000 Received: by telops.gte.net id AA04664 (GTE Telephone Operations SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m100@list.30below.com); Wed, 20 May 1998 00:47:47 -0400 Received: by telops.gte.net (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 20 May 1998 00:47:47 -0400 From: "Charles E. Stepp" Message-Id: <199805200447.AAA15366@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com> Subject: DVORAK To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 0:47:42 EDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] I downloaded dvorak.200, but when I run the program on my 200, it says that there is a checksum error. Anyone have any insight? I am ramping up to learn Dvorak. X and Windoze covered...hoping to get the 200 switched. -- ____ __ ___ /\ _`\ /\ \ 813-615-0392 Home /\_ \ \ \ \/\_\\ \ \___ __ _ __\//\ \ __ ____ \ \ \/_/_\ \ _ `\ /'__`\ /\`'__\\ \ \ /'__`\ /',__\ \ \ \_\ \\ \ \ \ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \_\ \_/\ __//\__, `\ \ \____/ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ /\____\ \____\/\____/ \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/____/\/____/\/___/ ____ __ /\ _`\ /\ \__ charles@fawn11.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com \ \,\_\_\ \ ,_\ __ _____ _____ \/_\__ \\ \ \/ /'__`\/\ '__`\/\ '__`\ /\ \_\ \ \ \_/\ __/\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ `\____\ \__\ \____\\ \ ,__/\ \ ,__/ \/_____/\/__/\/____/ \ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \_\ \ \_\ 813-978-2056 Work \/_/ \/_/ From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed May 20 12:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1261 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 12:17:26 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 12:17:26 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11145 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA26101; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: DVORAK (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I downloaded dvorak.200, but when I run the program on my 200, it says >that there is a checksum error. Anyone have any insight? I am ramping >up to learn Dvorak. X and Windoze covered...hoping to get the 200 >switched. A bad checksum in a program using a loader to load hex code or data statement usually means that the program data was corrupt. Even one character can cause a checksum to be flagged as bad. Try a second download of the program. Otherwise, see if you can modify the loader to tell you what line the checksum failed upon. Someone else with the program might be able to tell you which character(s) to fix. Another thought ... try to get the program from another source if the second DL fails from the original source. From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed May 20 12:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1401 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 12:29:41 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 12:29:41 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12001 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA28057; Wed, 20 May 1998 09:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Tape recorders (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Since the Tandy tape recorders are scarce, I wonder about the >feasibility of several alternatives: >1) A Walkman. I suppose I'd have to manually activate record/playback >on the unit when I save/load a program. As with any recorder, the reliability and performance may be unusual if the recorder was designed for stereo, noise reduction, special impedance headphones, etc. If the output voltage levels are too high, you might have problems or you could damage the M100. >2) A Commodore cassette recorder. These are more readily available, >and can be remote activated. I wonder if connecting the right pins >to the right pins would do the trick. This recorder takes it power >from the connector, though. The Commodore datasette was not an audio recorder. It won't work. >3) A shoebox recorder with remote activated mic input. Would the >remote activation on such a machine be compatible with the relay >mechanism in the M100? Yes. The remote input on all these old recorders was a contact closure. >4) A minidisc recorder. Similar to using the Walkman, but with the >advantage of random access. Each program could have its own track, >and to load a particular one, I could skip to it first. I would not expect the voltage levels to be quite right. I'd want to know the impedance specs and such and maybe have a signal conditioner in between the M100 and the device. A look at the signals on a scope (under load) might give a better idea what luck you'd have using these other devices. >5) A PC sound card. I could attach the M100 to the audio I/O jacks >on a PC, and record/play from the hard disk, saving each program >as a separate file. Of course, what's the point of this, when >I could connect it via the serial port? Sound inputs have been quite the rage with the classic computer emulator people. The Sinclair (ZX, Spectrum) people do this all the time. I suspect the Coco and C64 crowd does the same. For PCs without RS232 and without built-in terminal emu the sound card option is a big help. >6) CD-R. Like #5, but I burn the result to a CD, and can use a >portable CD-player to load back the software. Provides random >access, and much longer media life than tape. Would I need to >be careful about the recording volume? I would. See #4. If the M100/etc. has suitable circuit protection, the unit might simply fail to load. The waveform might "just" clip. If the power output is too high, a circuit could get damaged. Withoutdoing a detailed study, I would worry more about a T102 with SMT circuits. Anyone tried any of these ideas? From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Wed May 20 16:34:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2692 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 16:34:33 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@208.145.132.231) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 16:34:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA28899 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 10:34:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tape recorders Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another wacky idea that might not work: what if after digitizing the audio to a PC as described in my last note, I compressed the audio file to an MP3 and then either a) tried playing it back from the PC to the M100, or b) loaded it into a portable MP3 player such as MPMan and played it from that to the M100? I suppose the same volume/impedance issues would come into play. /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A From zmerch@30below.com Wed May 20 17:06:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2959 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 17:06:39 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 17:06:39 -0000 Content-Length: 1797 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tape recorders On 20-May-98 Quantum Seep wrote: >Another wacky idea that might not work: what if after digitizing >the audio to a PC as described in my last note, I compressed the >audio file to an MP3 and then either a) tried playing it back >from the PC to the M100, or b) loaded it into a portable MP3 >player such as MPMan and played it from that to the M100? >I suppose the same volume/impedance issues would come into play. I doubt that this would work, as the MP3 (and realaudio and others) compress so small because they are called "lossy" routines. This means that the routines throw away information that it feels is not necessary to reproduce the sound "fairly" accurately. (JPEG is another "lossy" compression scheme.) I'm afraid that compressing to MP3 would prolly whack-out the waveform enough to not be usuable upon decompression. Now, to save yourself some massive diskspace, when you record the waveform, you don't need to record it at CD specs... remember, this is tape we're talking about. I'd say that 22Khz mono 8-bit would work wonderfully, and 11Khz should work passably. Once you've recorded it (it shouldn't be too huge) try compressing it with a lossless procedure like PKZIP or RAR -- they *should* get at least 30-40% compression (of course, YMMV ;-) and should make it easy to fit even long programs on a floppy. And from a previous message, yes the CoCo scene has programs to record from tape thru a soundboard to store on H.D. Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ A woman did what a woman had to, the best way she knew how. To do more was impossible, to do less, unthinkable. -- Dirisha, "The Man Who Never Missed" From zmerch@30below.com Wed May 20 17:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3074 invoked from network); 20 May 1998 17:08:44 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 May 1998 17:08:44 -0000 Content-Length: 1395 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: M100 Listserv Subject: RE: DVORAK (fwd) On 20-May-98 David Firth wrote: > >>I downloaded dvorak.200, but when I run the program on my 200, it says >>that there is a checksum error. Anyone have any insight? I am ramping >>up to learn Dvorak. X and Windoze covered...hoping to get the 200 >>switched. > >A bad checksum in a program using a loader to load hex code or data >statement usually means that the program data was corrupt. Even one >character can cause a checksum to be flagged as bad. Try a second download >of the program. Otherwise, see if you can modify the loader to tell you >what line the checksum failed upon. Someone else with the program might be >able to tell you which character(s) to fix. > >Another thought ... try to get the program from another source if the >second DL fails from the original source. A third thought -- if you still have problems, contact Mike Nugent (tmne@tmne.com) -- he specializes in Model T's, and has had years of experience converting Model T's to the Dvorak keyboard layout. (I've not heard from him yet on the list -- he's a pretty busy guy -- but he is subbed to the list. HTH, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Over the years, I've developed my sense of deja vu so acutely that now I can remember things that *have* happened before ... From techno@owned.moron.com Thu May 21 05:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5947 invoked from network); 21 May 1998 05:21:03 -0000 Received: from owned.moron.com (techno@205.146.128.133) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 May 1998 05:21:03 -0000 Received: (from techno@localhost) by owned.moron.com (8.8.5/2.31337.4.U) id CAA15989; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 02:29:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Woodrow Hinkleman Reply-To: Woodrow Hinkleman To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tape recorders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 May 1998, Roger Merchberger wrote: > I doubt that this would work, as the MP3 (and realaudio and others) > compress so small because they are called "lossy" routines. This means > that the routines throw away information that it feels is not necessary > to reproduce the sound "fairly" accurately. (JPEG is another "lossy" > compression scheme.) Indeed...I believe they call it 'psycho-acoustic coding' or something similar. Audio minidiscs use a similar scheme and would probably not work well for the same reason. Straight audio CDs should work quite well. Incidentally, the output level from such devices as minidisc decks and walkmans (walkmen?) would probably be too /LOW/ if anything. The m100's cassette interface is designed to be driven by the earphone jack of a 'normal' tape recorder, which is actually at speaker level in nearly all such units. Headphone jacks on newer/smaller units (particularly those which do not contain speaker amps at all) usually have considerably less output. Just don't plug the m100 into a 400-watt MOSFET amp. ;) //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---Woodrow (techno@moron.com) http://www.moron.com/~techno/ Amiga Forever --- Intel Outside! If you decide what processor to use based on a television commercial, you *DESERVE* nothing more than the Pentium. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu May 21 10:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6368 invoked from network); 21 May 1998 10:00:41 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 May 1998 10:00:41 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:56:58 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Roger Merchberger Subject: Re: Tape recorders From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980520.225658.9l6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:56:58 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, zmerch@30below.com writes: > Now, to save yourself some massive diskspace, when you record the > waveform, you don't need to record it at CD specs... remember, this > is tape we're talking about. I'd say that 22Khz mono 8-bit would work > wonderfully, and 11Khz should work passably. Once you've recorded it > (it shouldn't be too huge) try compressing it with a lossless > procedure like PKZIP or RAR -- they *should* get at least 30-40% > compression (of course, YMMV ;-) and should make it easy to fit even > long programs on a floppy. > And from a previous message, yes the CoCo scene has programs to > record from tape thru a soundboard to store on H.D. What I'd like to see is routines to take the sound file and convert it back to the original binary data, and ones to convert the binaries to output from the sound card. It'd be really nice for preserving not only my M100 tapes, but also my M1/M3, and CoCo tapes. Another silly thought has been building a cassette interface card for PCs and drivers for it. A plus would be the ability to read/write non-Tandy formats. :-) -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu May 21 10:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6393 invoked from network); 21 May 1998 10:00:43 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 May 1998 10:00:43 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:05:58 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: InfoBBS Subject: Re: Questions From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980520.230558.8V3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:05:58 PST In-Reply-To: <868ac51c.356237e6@aol.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, InfoBBS@aol.com writes: > Have some questions about the TRS-80 Model 100 > > 1. When bid Radio Shack stop selling the 100? > 2. What is the diffence from the 100 and the 102? The 102 is thinner and lighter. It has a different layout for the arrow keys. The system bus on the 100 is a DIP socket inside the "hatch" on the bottom, next to the ROM socket. On the 102 its a pin connector (like the printer port) on the same part of the system as the other ports. The 100 used RAM modules made up of smaller chips mounted on a tiny circuit board, and the socket pinout matched *no* chip. On the 102, you can use a standard 8k chip. The 100 came in two models, one with 8k, one with 24k, both upgradeable to 32k. The 24k model had 3 modules soldred to the motherboard and one socket, the 8k had one soldered in module and 3 sockets. All sockets are inside and you have to take the system apart to install more RAM. The 102 only came in a 24k model, and the one socket is under the "hatch". The 102 has a different set of "high ASCII" characters, as well as other changes in the ROM. > 3. Was there any program that Radio Shack sold that were on tapes? > (reason I'm asking is I have PC-2(Pocket Computer 2) that I bought some > tapes for that are new in the box) Software for the 100 was sold on tape. There were about a dozen programs available from Tandy. > 4. Is Kyocera still in business today? Probably. > 5. Are they still makeing this types of laptops Not that I know of. > 6. What was the cost for one of these when they were new? When first released, an 8k M100 was $799, a 24k was $999. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu May 21 10:00:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6521 invoked from network); 21 May 1998 10:00:58 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 May 1998 10:00:58 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 20 May 1998 22:51:35 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Quantum Seep Subject: Re: Tape recorders From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980520.225135.2s9.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:51:35 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, qseep@shells.technojunkie.com writes: > Since the Tandy tape recorders are scarce, I wonder about the > feasibility of several alternatives: > > 1) A Walkman. I suppose I'd have to manually activate record/playback > on the unit when I save/load a program. Walkmans can record? > 2) A Commodore cassette recorder. These are more readily available, > and can be remote activated. I wonder if connecting the right pins > to the right pins would do the trick. This recorder takes it power > from the connector, though. It also does weird digital stuff with the signals. It's not designed for an analog input. > 3) A shoebox recorder with remote activated mic input. Would the > remote activation on such a machine be compatible with the relay > mechanism in the M100? That's essentially what the CCR-81 was. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed May 27 05:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8033 invoked from network); 27 May 1998 05:53:17 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 May 1998 05:53:17 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA28000 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 03:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id DAA07312; Wed, 27 May 1998 03:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:51:50 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Nighttime ramblings To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 3 am. Another research paper finished. I'm just not able to pull off these all nighters like I used to. The NEC really shone on this one. I had to travel during major revisions of the draft. It weathered airports and the relatives' house fine. I had to travel light, so Compuserve became the mass storage of choice -- I forgot what a pain that exercise can be! Only a 15 pager, including works cited, etc. 4K of RAM left in bank #1. Used up 2 sets of batteries when I wasn't on adapter. So the next time someone tells you that you can't do "real" work on a Model T machine, send 'em my way for a lecture :) Can't wait to finish this second time ... B.A. English Lit in Spr 1999. English is way more strenuous than EET was. Robotics, control theory, and communications theory were easy compared to the finer points of Hopkins' "sprung rhythm." I like Lit, though. Time for bed ... if the coffee will wear off :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! Do not go gentle into that good night, NEC PC-8201A ! Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Tandy 102 ! Rage, rage at the dying of the light. -- D Thomas From thedock@value.net Wed May 27 14:05:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9351 invoked from network); 27 May 1998 14:05:37 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 May 1998 14:05:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA01148 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: To: M100 Listserv Subject: Re: Nighttime ramblings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 May 1998, David Firth wrote: > 3 am. Another research paper finished. I'm just not able to pull off > these all nighters like I used to. The NEC really shine on this one. Ah yes... the old all-nighters. You are a member of the been-there, done-that club. At 49 1/2 stunts like that, hurt, and there ain't nothing that darn important. > So the next time someone tells you that you can't do "real" work on a > Model T machine, send 'em my way for a lecture :) Actually, I will refer your message to Frederick Allen, Editor, American Heritage of Invention & Technology. On June 2nd, Fred's going to be in the San Francisco Bay Area, coming in from from NY and will be popping over for an interview. He's writing a story about the Model 100 computer. The story will appear in American Heritage magazine in the "They're Still There" feature -- a one page, one photo synopsis of some old technology still in service. While he's here, we'll have lunch at Ann's Sunshine Cafe in Pleasant Hill -- the official hang out for Club 100. Of course, the meca is Melo's Pizza but that's asking too much for the time available. Do a good job of English Lit ... it's an important subject and besides, it'll help you talk funny... ahhhmmmm.... errr.... I mean like talk and write good n'stuff, like you-know? ;-) -Rick @ Club 100- From bassclef@netcom.ca Wed May 27 15:56:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10037 invoked from network); 27 May 1998 15:56:25 -0000 Received: from tor-smtp2.netcom.ca (207.93.1.168) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 May 1998 15:56:25 -0000 Received: from lon-on1-10.netcom.ca (bassclef@lon-on1-10.netcom.ca [207.181.78.74]) by tor-smtp2.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA02241 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805271705.NAA02241@tor-smtp2.netcom.ca> X-Sender: bassclef@netcom.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: m100@list.30below.com From: Jennifer Jones Subject: Re: Nighttime ramblings At 02:51 AM 5/27/98 -0400, David wrote: > >3 am. Another research paper finished. I'm just not able to pull off these >all nighters like I used to. The NEC really shone on this one. I had to Ohhhh man! Do I know how you feel, brother. I just finished my B.Mus myself a few short weeks ago & I was happy to have it over with. I used my Tandy 102 extensively over the last two years for writing papers... very useful to have in your practice room for when you can't decide whether to write music or papers: do both! There's no question that these machines are still capable of useful work - in fact, they're _more_ capable of useful work. Who the hell needs a GUI to write a damn paper? :) If only it had MIDI sequencing abilities, it would be my only computer. Good luck on your degree - don't let the academic boneheads get in the way of the appreciation of great art. Pat McNeil From james.cameron@digital.com Wed May 27 22:15:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11865 invoked from network); 27 May 1998 22:15:07 -0000 Received: from mail12.digital.com (192.208.46.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 May 1998 22:15:07 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail12.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with ESMTP id TAA15938 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA03905 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:24:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA04152; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:24:06 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <356CA096.2781@digital.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:24:06 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Re: Nighttime ramblings References: <199805271705.NAA02241@tor-smtp2.netcom.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jennifer Jones wrote: > If only it had MIDI sequencing abilities, it would be my only > computer. I have managed to make my Tandy 102 speak MIDI to a Roland JX 8P (?) keyboard. It took careful reprogramming of the baud rate oscillator/timer, and it wasn't within the MIDI specification, but it worked. I didn't get around to making it listen, but it should not have been too difficult. I'm not sure if it would be fast enough to cope with accurate reproduction of full hand playing though. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu May 28 11:06:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14030 invoked from network); 28 May 1998 11:06:05 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 May 1998 11:06:05 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07686 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA02826; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Nighttime ramblings (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I have managed to make my Tandy 102 speak MIDI to a Roland JX 8P (?) >keyboard. It took careful reprogramming of the baud rate >oscillator/timer, and it wasn't within the MIDI specification, but it >worked. I didn't get around to making it listen, but it should not have >been too difficult. James, you are a hacker's hacker. From egabriel@io.com Thu May 28 14:08:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14864 invoked from network); 28 May 1998 14:08:52 -0000 Received: from dillinger.io.com (egabriel@199.170.88.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 May 1998 14:08:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (egabriel@localhost) by dillinger.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12524 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:17:53 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dillinger.io.com: egabriel owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:17:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Model T Emulator Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have hunted high and low this past week for a Model 102 emulator, to no avail. Anyone know if there is someone working on this? There seems to be enough information out there to do a fair job of it. I believe there are some 8080 emulators for CP/M that could be hacked if nothing else. If not, I'd like to give it a go, and see if it's over my head or not. Can anyone point me to a list of 8085 opcodes? It looks like there are already some good ROM maps to work from as well. I'd be developing on Linux, and would probably GPL the emulator, and of course would include a utility of some sort to dump your rom into it. Anyone else want to help? -Gabriel Emerson From james.cameron@digital.com Thu May 28 22:23:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17046 invoked from network); 28 May 1998 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from mail12.digital.com (192.208.46.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 May 1998 22:23:28 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail12.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with ESMTP id TAA04776; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA14866; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:32:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA04230; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:32:17 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <356DF401.15FB@digital.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:32:17 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gabriel Cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Model T Emulator References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've done it (five years ago) and I'm willing to provide my sources. The core of the emulator is in C, but some of the virtual memory management stuff is in OpenVMS, so this will need porting to POSIX style required by Linux. I don't yet emulate the LCD ... my emulation was for fig-FORTH kernel compilation for an embedded system, and FORTH only requires stdin and stdout style byte I/O. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Fri May 29 09:59:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18911 invoked from network); 29 May 1998 09:59:24 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 May 1998 09:59:24 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:14:35 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: James Cameron Subject: Re: Model T Emulator From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980529.011435.8Z7.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:14:35 PST In-Reply-To: <356DF401.15FB@digital.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, james.cameron@digital.com writes: > I've done it (five years ago) and I'm willing to provide my sources. > > The core of the emulator is in C, but some of the virtual memory > management stuff is in OpenVMS, so this will need porting to POSIX style > required by Linux. > > I don't yet emulate the LCD ... my emulation was for fig-FORTH kernel > compilation for an embedded system, and FORTH only requires stdin and > stdout style byte I/O. It'd be nice to emulate the DVI while we're at it. The 80x24 screen alone was a major goodie. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From InfoBBS@aol.com Sat May 30 01:35:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21489 invoked from network); 30 May 1998 01:35:02 -0000 Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 May 1998 01:35:02 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id TUDRa12330 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:43:17 +2000 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <98ab5f7c.356f7247@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:43:17 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Where can found a ribbon for the TRP-100? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Hello.. I have a model 100 with a TRP-100(26-1275) as my printer. I just got the printer, mybe only 2 sheets of paperr have gone threw it.. Would like to know of any of you guys use these printer and know where I can get more ribbons for this great little printer,can take it any where! Thanks for all you help, Shea From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat May 30 09:58:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22144 invoked from network); 30 May 1998 09:58:38 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 May 1998 09:58:38 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 30 May 1998 04:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sat, 30 May 1998 03:56:26 PST To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: bad addresses From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980530.035626.3s2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 03:56:26 PST Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 Could the list server be set up to do *something* so that when I post I don't wind up with the bounce messages? Please? -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From zmerch@30below.com Sat May 30 13:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22596 invoked from network); 30 May 1998 13:55:36 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 May 1998 13:55:36 -0000 Content-Length: 926 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <980530.035626.3s2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: (Leonard Erickson) Subject: RE: bad addresses Cc: m100@list.30below.com On 30-May-98 Leonard Erickson wrote: >Could the list server be set up to do *something* so that when I post I >don't wind up with the bounce messages? The theoretical answer? Yes. The programmer's answer? Heck Yes! The realistic answer? Listen to the programmer, but the listserver may be "unstable" during testing, and give me a few days to program a solution. There will have to be a "go-between" program to reformat all of the headers, and while this program is in testing, "undefined behaviour" may occur. (Remember that double-message stuff... I will have to try to avoid that, and other problems as well) I will list out all of my programs and work on it over the weekend. HTH, "Merch" --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Beware of the man who knows the answer before he understands the question. From james.cameron@digital.com Tue Jun 09 00:20:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12766 invoked from network); 9 Jun 1998 00:20:30 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1998 00:20:30 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0e) with ESMTP id VAA21188 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA11679 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:29:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA30128; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:29:12 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <357C8FE7.4287@digital.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:29:11 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Travelling Hints for Tandy 102's Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------33594DAA6488" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------33594DAA6488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed on comp.sys.tandy, thought I'd crosspost this here. Someone asked what storage to use when taking a Model 100 on vacation. Post attached. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 --------------33594DAA6488 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA30230; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:18:20 +1000 Sender: cameron Message-Id: <357C8D5B.7566@digital.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:18:19 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy Subject: Re: TRS-80 M100 to HP48G References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: I understand the problem; I've taken my Tandy 102's on vacation with and without storage. I've used three techniques; a) cassette drive with cable, b) left a computer on at home or work and dialled in, c) realised that things only "happen" when I fiddle. I use the last technique now; it's simpler. The trick is to realise what the failure modes are and how they are caused, and to adjust my behaviour to prevent them. Data loss failure modes [and fixes] for a Tandy 102 on vacation; 1) memory battery failure, [run the unit for 24 hours before departure to charge the battery, and ensure new cells are used as main power.] 2) software crash, [cold boot the unit before departure, and set the date and time, then reload anything required for trip, avoiding any use of machine code or POKE statements. Avoid experimental coding while on the trip.] 3) operator error, [never KILL files while on trip, always remove information using TEXT with CUT/PASTE, or on BASIC code insert REM statements to disable code.] 4) hardware failure. [package the unit well to reduce vibration effects on socketted chips. Test the unit fully before taking it on the trip, give it a few half-hearted shakes, speak to it in soothing tones.] Other things I do include placing the plastic covers over the exposed plugs and sockets, sucking out any dust from the connectors, dusting the keyboard, wiping the display clean (with water), and applying a small wipe of petroleum jelly to the ends of the AA batteries. I also try to put the unit upside down in the leather pouch, in case we drive through a large amount of dust. And because (a) I don't ever use Num Lock, and (b) it invariably finds itself turned on by the trip, I have removed the wires to it on one of my units. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 --------------33594DAA6488-- From thedock@value.net Tue Jun 09 17:08:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 511 invoked from network); 9 Jun 1998 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1998 17:08:40 -0000 Received: (from thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) id KAA15550; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: thedock@value.net Message-Id: <199806091707.KAA15550@value.net> To: m100@list.30below.com X-URL: http://www.the-dock.com/c100/list.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7 Subject: Testing... Hello! Anyone home? Hello! I haven't received any messsges from the Club 100 list for awhile so thought I'd test it. -Rick @ Club 100- From qseep@shells.technojunkie.com Tue Jun 09 18:47:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1395 invoked from network); 9 Jun 1998 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from shells.technojunkie.com (qseep@207.126.84.67) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1998 18:47:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by shells.technojunkie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA27851; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:38:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:38:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Quantum Seep To: Leonard Erickson cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tape recorders In-Reply-To: <980520.225135.2s9.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Maybe not the Sony Walkman, but there are handheld cassette player/ recorders. Mine records in stereo from two built-in mics or a jack. Well, it did. I think it's broken. /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@technojunkie.com --- PGP fingerprint: 5B 3B 7B EC AA 5B 4B 7F 65 7D 2A CD 69 11 29 2A On Wed, 20 May 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > In mail, qseep@shells.technojunkie.com writes: > > > Since the Tandy tape recorders are scarce, I wonder about the > > feasibility of several alternatives: > > > > 1) A Walkman. I suppose I'd have to manually activate record/playback > > on the unit when I save/load a program. > > Walkmans can record? From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Tue Jun 09 18:53:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1579 invoked from network); 9 Jun 1998 18:53:34 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1998 18:53:34 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 9 Jun 1998 18:52:33 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA12295 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:57:05 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: I was wondering also Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bd93d7$6a41f0c0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Hello! Anyone home? Hello! Yes >I haven't received any messages from the Club 100 list for awhile so >thought I'd test it. Looks like it works, I was wondering the same thing myself. Kevin B. Slater kevins.slater@ingrambook.com From drbinns@idirect.com Wed Jun 10 03:31:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5082 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1998 03:31:23 -0000 Received: from nexus.idirect.com (207.136.80.55) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1998 03:31:23 -0000 Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-33t-3.idirect.com [209.161.226.3]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA22810; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806100330.XAA22810@nexus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: , Subject: Re: Testing... Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:08:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I relisted through Club 100. Evidently my name had been dropped. Right after that, I got several messages over two or three days, and then nothing, so I was having doubts too. Maybe we have to get the word out that everyone has to re-subscribe? -=Paul=- ---------- > From: thedock@value.net > To: m100@list.30below.com > Subject: Testing... > Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 1:07 PM > > Hello! Anyone home? Hello! > > I haven't received any messsges from the Club 100 list for awhile so > thought I'd test it. > > -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Wed Jun 10 05:33:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5731 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1998 05:33:51 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1998 05:33:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id WAA05006 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Testing... In-Reply-To: <199806100330.XAA22810@nexus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > I relisted through Club 100. Evidently my name had been dropped. Right > after that, I got several messages over two or three days, and then > nothing, so I was having doubts too. > > Maybe we have to get the word out that everyone has to re-subscribe? Yep! I think that's the case. When the list went away, so did some of our friends. Now that it's back, we need to get the word out. You know, back in the BBS days, things were different. Now, with echo-mail lists, one of the BIG values in group mail is missing -- threaded messages with archives. Back then, we logged onto "a" computer and posted messges in public conferences. As the message base grew, so did the wealth of information. Folks could search past messages for answers to common questions, such as how to set the date and time, or follow a discussion of logic (or myth), such why a DOS or Mac computer can not read the tpdd or tpdd2 formatted disks, directly. But at least people didn't "myth" out on the information. On the Club 100 bbs, the public conference message base goes back to May 1991. I really missed that when lists started taking off. The news groups, however, have the threaded messages and archive going on. At least someone is doing it right. With this in mind, I saw an ad in Wired for PushPin, a threaded message system writted in Perl and offered for a reasonable price, including installation. I contacted the guy, who was very nice, and am putting together a package purchase for PushPin at a number of sites that I've developped and manage, including the Club 100 site. What do you think about this decision, i.e. establishing a threaded message system at the Club 100 web site? -Rick @ Club 100- From jkeim@inetnebr.com Wed Jun 10 07:32:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6327 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1998 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from falcon.inetnebr.com (root@199.184.119.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 1998 07:32:02 -0000 Received: from [206.222.208.15] (lin-pm1-015.inetnebr.com [206.222.208.15]) by falcon.inetnebr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01227 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:30:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:30:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: jkeim@unlinfo.unl.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199806100330.XAA22810@nexus.idirect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: m100@list.30below.com From: James Keim Subject: Re: Testing... >> Maybe we have to get the word out that everyone has to re-subscribe? > >Yep! I think that's the case. When the list went away, so did some of >our friends. Now that it's back, we need to get the word out. Rick, Actually, I had unsubscribed but was put back on when the list came back. I haven't unsubscribed again because the discussion is more relevant now--i.e. I just got a Model 200 to use and have been doing much more writing. The screen size seems to make a real difference for me. > >What do you think about this decision, i.e. establishing a threaded >message system at the Club 100 web site? Hmmm, I'm not sure I like the idea. Actually, it wouldn't be hard at all to open a Model 'T' forum on Delphi. Delphi is now accessible via the web "for free" and has sprouted several on-line ("threaded") communities. I currently frequent the Apple II forum over there. The one thing that I don't like is that I often end up reading on-line. I like the email groups because I can download the messages and read at my leisure. Perhaps, though, I'm not understanding your suggestion. --James Keim From InfoBBS@aol.com Fri Jun 12 15:17:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21438 invoked from network); 12 Jun 1998 15:17:37 -0000 Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.38) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1998 15:17:37 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id TPOJa04556 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <246d919b.3581461f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:15:42 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Problem with TRP-100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Claris Emailer v1.0 sub 3 Hello everyone!! (1)I have a TRP-100 printer and I just got the "fax" paper for. I have been useing plain paper with the ribbon. I changed the DIP switch "5" to ON. I put the paper in the printer and try the test print it bidn't work. I waited over night and then put all the DIP seitch to off expect number "5" then it work and printed out most of the test page then it stopped working? Whats going on? (2) How do print a whole page useing a model 100 and the TRP-100? (3) I loaded a program in memory in basic and then the program crashed and there functions keys being used in the program, and now when I going into basic the function haven't swhiched back to normal since the progrma crashed..... Thanks for all your help, Shea From z.a.c@usa.net Fri Jun 12 19:09:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23053 invoked from network); 12 Jun 1998 19:09:25 -0000 Received: from email1-1.mcleodusa.net (208.16.32.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1998 19:09:25 -0000 Received: from kc0alb ([208.16.45.1]) by email1-1.mcleodusa.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA25952 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:06:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000701bd9635$c1f47b20$012d10d0@kc0alb> From: "Zach Covington" To: Subject: manual Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:10:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD960B.D5633FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD960B.D5633FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dores anyone know where i can find the instruction manual foir the = different programs on the radio Shack TRS-80 model 100??? Please reply = with any info, at z.a.c@usa.net ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD960B.D5633FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
dores anyone know where i can find = the=20 instruction manual foir the different programs on the radio Shack TRS-80 = model=20 100???  Please reply with any info, at=20 z.a.c@usa.net
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD960B.D5633FE0-- From vrondi@nettaxi.com Fri Jun 12 22:45:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24354 invoked from network); 12 Jun 1998 22:45:43 -0000 Received: from nt6.nettaxi.com (206.79.4.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 1998 22:45:43 -0000 Received: from cna00104 (ip095033.dialup.wvnet.edu [129.71.95.33]) by nt6.nettaxi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA08668 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806122243.PAA08668@nt6.nettaxi.com> From: "Vrondi" To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:37:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: simple question Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Hello everyone, have an m100 on order, and I've been doing a lot of reading to be ready to use it... I have a simple question. Is the m100's built in BASIC very different from GW-BASIC ??? I have previous experience with GW BASIC (Tandy1000 owner) and I was wondering if some of the simpler programs might be able to run on the m100's BASIC... ______________________________________________________________________ -Chrys Amy Dean vrondi@nettaxi.com Vrondi on EFNet IRC From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat Jun 13 11:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26901 invoked from network); 13 Jun 1998 11:07:58 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 1998 11:07:58 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:25:04 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: "Vrondi" Subject: Re: simple question From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980613.002504.0Q4.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:25:04 PST In-Reply-To: <199806122243.PAA08668@nt6.nettaxi.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, vrondi@nettaxi.com writes: > I have a simple question. Is the m100's built in BASIC very > different from GW-BASIC ??? I have previous experience with GW > BASIC (Tandy1000 owner) and I was wondering if some of the simpler > programs might be able to run on the m100's BASIC... The BASICs are quite similar, but there are important differences: 1. The 100 does not have a LOCATE command. Instead, it has PRINT @ x, where x is a character position on the screen. The first character on the top line is 0. The first character on the next line is 40, etc all the way to the end of the screen. 2. The device names are a bit different. The 100 has RAM:, CAS:, LCD:, LPT:, COM:, and MDM:. RAM is files in memory. CAS is cassette I/O. LCD is the screen. LPT is the printer. COM is the RS-232 port, and MDM is the built-in 300 baud modem. 3. The "extra" stuff for COM is a bit different. A typical usage might be OPEN "COM:98n1e" FOR OUTPUT as #1. The "98n1e" is the port settings in the form RWPBS. "R" is the bit rate. 1=75, 2=110, 3=300, 4=600, 5=1200, 6=2400, 7=4800, 8=9600, 9=19200. "W" is the word length (6, 7 or 8). "P" is parity ("E"ven, "O"dd, "I"gnore, or "N"one). "B" is stop bits (1 or 2). And "S" is XON/XOFF handshaking ("E"nabled or "D"isabled). So "98n1e" means, 19.2kbps, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit, XON/XOFF handshaking enabled. 4. MDM uses the same parameters, minus the bit rate, as the modem only supports 300. 5. Files can only be opened for INPUT or OUTPUT. There's no support for random files. That includes functions like MKS$ and CVS. And if you want to use COM or modem for both sending and receiving, you have to open it for both INPUT and for OUTPUT. 6. Serial I/O includes support for interrupt driven I/O.My example will be for COM, but it works the same way with MDM. In fact, several of the statements don't really care whether you use COM or MDM! (Which makes writing a program to handle both much easier) First you open COM for input. Then you put in a ON COM GOSUB xxx statement. This tells the 100 where to find the routine that will handle the interrupt. The routine will be a normal BASIC subroutine. Then when you are ready to start processing characters, you'd put in a COM ON statement. That enables your interrupt handler. You can use COM STOP to suspend processing of interrupts (a good idea at the start of the handler), or COM OFF to disable them. The difference is that the computer will *remember* any interrupts that occur after a COM STOP and process them at the next COM ON. With COM STOP, they'll just be ignored. The way the handler is called is very different from GWBASIC. When the COM port receives a character, your program will complete the current statement, then do a gosub the handler, and upon reaching the RETURN in the handler, it'll resume execution with the next statement in the program. This makes comm programs *much* easier to write on the 100! 7. The 100 handles floating point numbers differently. It defaults to double rather than single precision, and it uses BCD rather than binary floating point. A "single" is still 4 bytes, and a double 8 bytes, but the bytes are handled differently. The "exponent" byte is coded so that the high bit is the sign of the number. The remaining 7 bits are the *base 10* exponent of the number, with 63 or 64 subtracted (it's been a *long* time since I looked into it). Anyway, this means that the numbers range from 10^-63 to 10^63 (or maybe it's 64, not 63). The rest of the bytes store the value of the number in BCD format. Each *nibble* (half a byte, or 4 bits) stores one digit. So 123456 would be 1.23456*10^5. The 123456 would be stored in the nibbles, so that the high byble of the second byte is 1, the low nibble is 2, the high nibble on the next byte is 3, the low nibble is 4, etc. Which means that in *hex* the result is that the first byte is 12 *hex*, the next byte is 34 *hex*, etc. BCD represents our base 10 numbers much better than the normal floating binary does. But it has a drawback. Floating point operations take 4 times as long. I think it's a fair tradeoff, especially when all the math functions are inherently double precision (so SIN, COS, etc all give 14 digit accuracy!) 8. Since all the RAM files you create with BASIC will be text files (.DO files), there are certain characters you *cannot* write to a file. CHR$(0) is just thrown away. CHR$(26) is used to mark the end of files, so it gets ignored too. If you manage to POKE it into a DO file, the OS will assume that's now the end of the file and that the next byte must be the start of the next file. This leads to a real mess and often to the machine resetting and losing all your files. I think there's a third character that's a problem, but I don't recall what it is. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From thedock@value.net Sat Jun 13 16:10:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28517 invoked from network); 13 Jun 1998 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 1998 16:10:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA12401 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: simple question In-Reply-To: <980613.002504.0Q4.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > The BASICs are quite similar, but there are important differences: [snip] WOW! That was the best Model 100 BASIC to GWiz-BASIC comparison I've ever seen, Leonard. May I incorporate that into a support file at Club 100? -Rick @ Club 100- From vrondi@nettaxi.com Sat Jun 13 17:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29055 invoked from network); 13 Jun 1998 17:30:47 -0000 Received: from nt6.nettaxi.com (206.79.4.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 1998 17:30:47 -0000 Received: from cna00104 (ip095040.dialup.wvnet.edu [129.71.95.40]) by nt6.nettaxi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01192 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806131728.KAA01192@nt6.nettaxi.com> From: "Vrondi" To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:22:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: simple question Reply-to: vrondi@nettaxi.com Priority: normal References: <980613.002504.0Q4.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Leonard Erickson, Thanks you! That letter on teh versions of BASIC is going into my folder of m100 info! ______________________________________________________________________ -Chrys Amy Dean vrondi@nettaxi.com Vrondi on EFNet IRC From mwalimu@corinthian.net Sat Jun 13 21:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30427 invoked from network); 13 Jun 1998 21:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 1998 21:02:59 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c05.corinthian.net [207.53.82.105]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06296 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:01:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199806132101.RAA06296@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: pc8201a ports Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:03:03 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does any one know the pinouts of the pc8201a expansion port? From InfoBBS@aol.com Sun Jun 14 00:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31443 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 00:21:45 -0000 Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.67) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 00:21:45 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id TXZYa26053 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:19:27 +2000 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <3336e0c2.35831710@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:19:27 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Setup Printer with model 100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 Hello, I my ttrying to setup a printer with my model 100 I have TRP-100,it has DIP switchs on the back of the printer,when I send the command all it does is go back and fourth and never printer anything then I have to clear the buffer and it prints the test print fine. If any can help me please! Shea From mwalimu@corinthian.net Sun Jun 14 01:00:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31670 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 01:00:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 01:00:03 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c07.corinthian.net [207.53.82.107]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA07713 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:58:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199806140058.UAA07713@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: pc8201a ports Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:00:04 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does any one know the pin out for the pc8201a expansion port???? chris burns mwalimu@corinthian.net From goflo@pacbell.net Sun Jun 14 02:25:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32153 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 02:25:14 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 02:25:14 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-123-251.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.123.251]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA26015 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358334D6.6CD7@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:26:30 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: 8201a expansion bus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit chris&les wrote: > > does any one know the pin out for the pc8201a expansion port???? > > chris burns > mwalimu@corinthian.net Sending pin-out to your e-mail. Anyone else interested say so and I'll post it. Jack From goflo@pacbell.net Sun Jun 14 02:49:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32365 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 02:49:01 -0000 Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (206.13.28.55) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 02:49:01 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-117-57.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.117.57]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA29936 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35833A49.3811@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:49:45 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: 8201a expansion bus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vince (AA9TL) wrote: > yeah, please post it.....I got one and I'm kinda curious...... > -----Original Message----- > >chris&les wrote: > >> does any one know the pin out for the pc8201a expansion port???? > >> chris burns > >> mwalimu@corinthian.net > >Sending pin-out to your e-mail. Anyone else interested say so and > >I'll post it. > >Jack Looking into the expansion slot pins are numbered left to right, top row 1,3,5...43,45,47 bottom row 2,4,6...44,46,48 1 +5V 2 +5V 3 addr/data 0 4 addr/data 4 5 addr/data 1 6 addr/data 5 7 addr/data 2 8 addr/data 6 9 addr/data 3 10 addr/data 7 11 nc 12 nc 13 addr 8 14 addr 12 15 addr 9 16 addr 13 17 addr 10 18 addr 14 19 addr 11 20 addr 15 21 addr 16 22 addr 18 23 addr 17 24 addr 19 25 nc 26 nc 27 Read 28 Write 29 IO OR memory 30 addr latch enable 31 HOLD 32 HOLD ACK 33 INTERRUPT 34 INTERRUPT ACK 35 RESET 36 READY 37 ROM enable 38 Enable 39 ROM cassette select 40 nc 41 High Adr Disable 42 Low adr Disable 43 Clock 44 RAM Protect 45 Gnd 46 Gnd 47 nc 48 nc Jack From mwalimu@corinthian.net Sun Jun 14 12:10:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1240 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 12:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 12:10:24 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c09.corinthian.net [207.53.82.109]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA10622 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:09:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199806141209.IAA10622@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: compuserve files Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:10:29 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does any one know how you can get a hold of the m100 files in compuserve? They won't let you be a member without a credit card (which I refuse to own). As I recall, they had some pretty good files. Also, has any one had luck getting to the ACS listing mentioned in Club 100. I tried, but couldn't get on. From thedock@value.net Sun Jun 14 13:48:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1622 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 13:48:10 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 13:48:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id GAA13398 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:46:46 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Setup Printer with model 100 In-Reply-To: <3336e0c2.35831710@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 InfoBBS@aol.com wrote: > I my ttrying to setup a printer with my model 100 I have TRP-100,it has > DIP switchs on the back of the printer,when I send the command all it > does is go back and fourth and never printer anything then I have to > clear the buffer and it prints the test print fine. Classic problem. The Model 100 was designed to "not" send the LF (line feed, or 0A (hex)) character along with the CR (carriage return, or 0D (hex)) character. This is okay, cause that was the style back in the BPC (before the IBM PC) era. The Model 100 "does" have the capability -- it's just been turned off. You may turn it back on by either setting a dip switch on the printer -- like you're trying to do -- or enable the line feed character on the Model 100/102/200 end with a program. You will find such programs and more in the Club 100 Library, in the "Print" category. But, to save time... here is the LFUTL.BA program... 0 ' FLUTL.BA - By Phil Wheeler 1 'A "universal" Line Feed Utility which implements Hugo Ferreyra's FIXLF.HF1 and Don Corbitt's TELCOM linefeed patch 2 'in a single, menu-driven utility. It is a module of my current on-board Utility program, hence the structure. 3 'Note that FIXLF.HF1 is copyrighted by Hugo, and released "for non-commercial use only". 4 ' Phil Wheeler:4/14/84 5 ' 6 GOTO8 7 MAXFILES=1:CLEAR256,MAXRAM:DATE$=LEFT$(DATE$,6)+"84":MENU 8 CLS:RV$=CHR$(27)+"p":NO$=CHR$(27)+"q":A=64228:B=63066:KEY8,"Menu"+CHR$(13)+CHR$(254)+CHR$(13)+CHR$(245)+CHR$(62)+CHR$(10)+CHR$(204)+CHR$(63)+CHR$(109)+CHR$(241)+CHR$(201):PRINT:PRINT"Select Option:":PRINT:PRINT,"P)rnt LF",,"C)omm LF",,"T)op Menu" 9 ONINSTR("pPcCtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO10,10,15,15,7,7:GOTO9 10 CLS:F$=" Off ":P=PEEK(A)+256*PEEK(A+1):IFP=63615THENF$=" On " 11 PRINT:PRINT"Printer LF"RV$F$NO$:PRINT:PRINT,"E)nable",,"D)isable",,"T)op Menu" 12 ONINSTR("eEdDtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO13,13,14,14,7,7:GOTO12 13 POKEA,127:POKEA+1,248:GOTO10 14 POKEA,243:POKEA+1,127:GOTO10 15 CLS:F$=" Off ":IFPEEK(B)<>0THENF$=" On " 16 PRINT:PRINT"Upload LF"RV$F$NO$:PRINT:PRINT,"E)nable",,"D)isable",,"T)op Menu" 17 ONINSTR("eEdDtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO18,18,19,19,7,7:GOTO17 18 POKEB,1:GOTO15 19 POKEB,0:GOTO15 At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Sun Jun 14 13:53:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1762 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 13:53:14 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 13:53:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id GAA13713 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: 8201a expansion bus In-Reply-To: <358334D6.6CD7@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 goflo@pacbell.net wrote: > chris&les wrote: > > does any one know the pin out for the pc8201a expansion port???? > > Sending pin-out to your e-mail. Anyone else interested say so and I'll > post it. Jack Yes please. Post the pin outs. I will put it in the Club 100 notes for use by others. In fact, since I don't have any more of the NEC PC8201a docs inthe warehouse, I have no support notes available. 8201 use is so small that I decided to not spend any more time in that area but should have at least developped support notes. I am sometimes very dumb or short sighted. Anything you can offer will be helpful to others. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sun Jun 14 13:54:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1888 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 13:54:33 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 13:54:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id GAA13781; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: To: goflo@pacbell.net cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: 8201a expansion bus In-Reply-To: <35833A49.3811@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Got the pin out, now. Thanks Jack. -Rick- From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sun Jun 14 15:05:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2206 invoked from network); 14 Jun 1998 15:05:27 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 1998 15:05:27 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:21:48 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Subject: Re: simple question From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980613.222148.8Y8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:21:48 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, thedock@value.net writes: > On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > >> The BASICs are quite similar, but there are important differences: > > [snip] > > WOW! That was the best Model 100 BASIC to GWiz-BASIC comparison I've ever > seen, Leonard. May I incorporate that into a support file at Club 100? Sure. Just send me 10% of any money you make off it. :-) It would have been more detailed, but it's been years and I didn't fell like digging out the 100 and checking some details. :-) I'd love to have a PC BASIC that incoroporated the 100's interrupt based features. ON COM and ON KEY are *very* nice. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Jun 15 05:25:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7177 invoked from network); 15 Jun 1998 05:25:33 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 1998 05:25:33 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:05:44 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: "chris&les" Subject: Re: compuserve files From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980614.220544.6G8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:05:44 PST In-Reply-To: <199806141209.IAA10622@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, mwalimu@corinthian.net writes: > does any one know how you can get a hold of the m100 files in compuserve? > They won't let you be a member without a credit card (which I refuse to > own). As I recall, they had some pretty good files. At one time it was possible to get an account by letting them set up with CheckFree to make automatic withdrawals of the monthly payments. I don't know if they'll let you do that any more or not. If not, find out if you bank has *debit* cards. These look like credit cards, but the money is drawn from your checking account, and if you don't have enough, the bank treats it as a bounced check. CIS won't be able to tell the difference and as long as you have enough money in the account to cover the charges, it won't be a problem. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From neilsm@usa.net Mon Jun 15 17:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10993 invoked from network); 15 Jun 1998 17:41:20 -0000 Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@206.12.82.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 1998 17:41:20 -0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com (light87.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.87]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23334; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199806141209.IAA10622@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> References: Conversation <199806141209.IAA10622@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> with last message <199806141209.IAA10622@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Priority: Normal To: mwalimu@corinthian.net Cc: M100 List MIME-Version: 1.0 From: N Subject: Re: compuserve files Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 10:36:55 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > does any one know how you can get a hold of the m100 files in compuserve? > They won't let you be a member without a credit card (which I refuse to > own). As I recall, they had some pretty good files. Which files do you want? There hasn't been anything new for a long time now. Neil. From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Tue Jun 16 01:22:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14199 invoked from network); 16 Jun 1998 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 1998 01:22:27 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21647 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA04813; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: pc8201a ports (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Which port? The SIO ports were (to the best of my knowledge) never used. I can send a system bus pinout (the connector behind the little door on the side of the unit). Let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:03:03 -0000 From: chris&les To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: pc8201a ports Does any one know the pinouts of the pc8201a expansion port? From mwalimu@corinthian.net Wed Jun 17 13:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25760 invoked from network); 17 Jun 1998 13:02:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 13:02:06 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c06.corinthian.net [207.53.82.106]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA06365 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:00:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199806171300.JAA06365@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: pc8201a technical info Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:01:42 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm working on a robotics project using the pc8201, if any one has schematics, electrical info, ect. that they could pass on, I would greatly appreciate it. Aside from schematics, I really would appreciate if any one could tell me how I could use ram bank 2 as a ROM cartridge, I didn't get a refference manual or users manual with my computer. chris From mwalimu@corinthian.net Wed Jun 17 13:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25897 invoked from network); 17 Jun 1998 13:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 13:05:54 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c06.corinthian.net [207.53.82.106]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA06395 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:04:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199806171304.JAA06395@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: nec pc8201a technical information. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:05:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am working on a robotics project and I would like to use a PC8201a for the mother board (hey if JPL could do it, why not me?) I need any technical info that any one could forward. Particularly schematics (if such exist). Also if anyone knows how to use ram bank 2 as an option rom, that would be helpful. thanks chris From RHERNDON@mailgw.dot.state.tx.us Wed Jun 17 13:22:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26119 invoked from network); 17 Jun 1998 13:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailgw.dot.state.tx.us) (144.45.250.204) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 13:22:29 -0000 Received: from TxDOT-Message_Server by mailgw.dot.state.tx.us with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:20:50 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:20:05 -0500 From: Richard Herndon To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: unsubscribe From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed Jun 17 20:32:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29529 invoked from network); 17 Jun 1998 20:32:43 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 20:32:43 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26790 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA20784; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: pc8201a technical info To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <199806171300.JAA06365@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I'm working on a robotics project using the pc8201, if any one has > schematics, electrical info, ect. that they could pass on, I would greatly > appreciate it. > Aside from schematics, I really would appreciate if any one could tell me > how I could use ram bank 2 as a ROM cartridge, I didn't get a refference > manual or users manual with my computer. There is a gent on the list who sent me mail the other day. He has a service manual for the NEC. I'll see if I still have his address if he doesn't chime in here. I would love a scan or photocopy of the schematic as well. If you really need to go the ROM route, you'd be better off writing an option ROM for the NEC. There is a second ROM socket on the board right next to the N82-BASIC system ROM. You can then use a standard 32Kx8 CMOS EPROM -- without the funky carrier required by the M100/T102 and without trying to graft in a klunky way to use a ROM on the RAM sockets. Option ROM writing requires some special code to execute, though, and you'll want to look over the M100 examples in the technical section of the Club 100 library. Keep in mind that the M100 code will likely require some rework for the NEC. But, why not simply load your code as assembled machine code into RAM? Battery-backed RAM is easily changed when required, and the NEC rarely loses RAM contents if you program isn't buggy (in which case having the code is ROM isn't much good anyway). If you need the NEC for other tasks, drop extra RAM into bank #2. There's a ROM-based assembler for the NEC that'll be perfect -- has a debugger/simulator as well. Enough of the sales pitch -- I have the ROM2 assembler in my NEC and it is quite nice. Worth the investment for serious work, IMHO. The system bus is in the little door on the side of the unit. The M100 has I/O port ranges not used by the system (per M100 tech ref) so I suspect the NEC does as well. However, I don't have the tech info to confirm this or tell you what they are. Odds are they aren't the same port addresses as the M100. You'd need luck or a schematic to really tell what is decoded where. Keep in mind that the M100 doesn't fully decode I/O addresses, so you end up with a range of addresses that access the same location. I suspect that the NEC does this too, but I don't have Gary Weber's NEC memory map here at work (see user uploads area of the Club 100 library). Keep the group posted as to your progress. We like a good get your hands dirty techie application. Yell if you need help from anyone. Ah, messing around with robots -- takes me back to high school and college with the old Hero-1 and single board computers/controllers. Dave Sr. Engineer BSEET WVUIT 1990 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From goflo@pacbell.net Thu Jun 18 18:51:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4521 invoked from network); 18 Jun 1998 18:51:09 -0000 Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (206.13.28.23) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 18:51:09 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-124-71.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.124.71]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA03090 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358961A8.1B2F@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:51:20 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: nec pc8201a technical information. References: <199806171304.JAA06395@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have contacted NEC for permission to reproduce excerpts from the 8201a service manual. When this is forthcoming I'll scan the good stuff and upload it to the list. Jack From RHERNDON@mailgw.dot.state.tx.us Thu Jun 18 19:01:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4693 invoked from network); 18 Jun 1998 19:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailgw.dot.state.tx.us) (144.45.250.204) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 19:01:17 -0000 Received: from TxDOT-Message_Server by mailgw.dot.state.tx.us with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:59:43 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:59:05 -0500 From: Richard Herndon To: m100@list.30below.com, goflo@pacbell.net Subject: How to unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I'm looking to unsubscribe at work. I tried sending an email and doing the unsubscribe mentioned on the web page. Didn't work. I got bounces and I still get mail at work. Mayhap the proper folks will read this and cancel the WORK subscription (not the HOME one). Sorry for the intrusion into your day. RH From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Jun 18 21:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5844 invoked from network); 18 Jun 1998 21:54:25 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 1998 21:54:25 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00400 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA05517; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: pc8201a technical info To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <199806180249.WAA12516@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > That ROM you were mentioning, the one with a built in assembler, would that > be the CLEUSEAU/ROM2 from CLUB100? Yes. You could use a disassembler or assembler written in BASIC if you prefer the cost-effective route. But ... ROM2 *is* nice. > There's an NEC > memory map in the club100 library that gives some clues on how to make ram > bank 2 the lower half of memory, but I would like the advise of those who > have gone before. I hadn't gotten that impression -- AFAIK the bank switch ckt switches in bank #2 (internal) or bank #3 (sidecar) into 8000-FFFF only. The active ROM gets 0000-7FFF. I could be wrong ... > I've peeked inside the 82, but, there are so many hc139's and hc138's, it's > difficult to figure out which ones control what. There was a book, "INSIDE > THE M100(?)" that revealed much of what all those little chips did and > where they led, but it would seem that there isn't a similar book for the > NEC82. I have only been piloting a NEC for the last two years, and I never paid much attention to the NEC way back when. It never had the same hacker following as the wildly popular Tandy models. I doubt very much that there was much tech documentation other than NEC's own stuff. > If all else fails, I could work off the bus expansion port, but I would > sure like some more info.... You'll still need the info on where the empty ports are, etc. so that your circuit doesn't try to use the same resources as something else. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From herndon@texas.net Fri Jun 19 00:36:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6883 invoked from network); 19 Jun 1998 00:36:25 -0000 Received: from mw1.texas.net (206.127.30.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 00:36:25 -0000 Received: from herndon.texas.net (mnet01-37.austin.texas.net [207.207.2.37]) by mw1.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id TAA03345 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980618193732.01042314@pop.texas.net> X-Sender: herndon@pop.texas.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:37:32 -0500 To: M100 Listserv From: Richard &/or Patti Herndon Subject: How to get off list at work Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I surely need to get the email address: rherndon at texas dot dot dot state dot tx dot us off the list server. It is my work address. I am unable to send mail to the group, but receive it all. Help, please. I do NOT want my current, home address dropped. Thanks, RH From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Fri Jun 19 14:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11144 invoked from network); 19 Jun 1998 14:38:31 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 14:38:31 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19671 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA08255; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:34:58 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: pc8201a technical info (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >According to the BASIC reference manual, the memory map for ram bank 2 can >be either 8000h-FFFFh or 0-7FFFh. There is also a program from NEC, >RAMROM.NEC that will install RAM BANK 2 as an option ROM. My plan is to >install a FORTH operating system either in option ROM or the second ram >bank. I must have missed that page. I'll go look. Was RAMROM on the personal applications cassette? I didn't pay much attention to that, either :) From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Fri Jun 19 14:41:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11276 invoked from network); 19 Jun 1998 14:41:09 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 14:41:09 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19862 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA08745; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: pc8201a technical info To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <199806191142.HAA25408@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, chris&les wrote: > The literature in CLUB100 says that ROM2/CLEAUSEU enhances BASIC and TEXT. > In what ways?? Enhances BASIC's troubleshooting abilities. The manual is at home, so I'll give you a synopsis later of the features. As I recall, it allows breakpoints, does packing (space removal, etc.) of programs to make them small, among other tricks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From mwalimu@corinthian.net Sat Jun 20 12:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17235 invoked from network); 20 Jun 1998 12:05:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 1998 12:05:23 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c07.corinthian.net [207.53.82.107]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA06011 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:03:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199806201203.IAA06011@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: power supply Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:05:09 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My m100 seems to consume it's battery supply at an much faster rate. It works fine and all, I just don't get the battery life it use to. It's not peripherals either, it drains batteries with or without any of the extras I have. Is it old age? chris From thedock@value.net Sat Jun 20 14:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17970 invoked from network); 20 Jun 1998 14:21:01 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 1998 14:21:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA02281 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: power supply In-Reply-To: <199806201203.IAA06011@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, chris&les wrote: > My m100 seems to consume it's battery supply at an much faster rate. It > works fine and all, I just don't get the battery life it use to. It's > not peripherals either, it drains batteries with or without any of the > extras I have. Is it old age? Hmmm... I wonder if it's the Model 100 or the batteries. Before jumping to contusions, you might want to run some tests using various brands of batteries -- and test the batteries before using them to make sure they're fully charged. Batteries differ, greatly. Tom Vicar, a local TV reporter in San Francisco (forgot which channel) does an annual battery test to come up with the leading one. And, of course, now that you ask the question, I can't recall Tom's results. In any case, I have a chart in the support files that shows the realitive value of various types of batteries. Here is that chart: BATTERY LIFE Load in mA -----Type------ 0.8 8.0 80 "AA" Standard 1100 97 4 "AA" Heavy Duty 1350 120 9 "AA" Alkaline 2000 190 16 "C" Standard 2400 240 12 "C" Heavy Duty 3650 352 28 "C" Alkaline 5600 560 49 "C" Lithium 6250 625 63 "D" Standard 5600 560 21 "D" Heavy Duty 7020 702 68 "D" Alkaline 11500 1200 108 Life in hr Perhaps with this chart, and by analysing what batteries you're using, along with keeping track (by date) of your battery use, you will come close to a solution. Also, I am sure that some of our more talented and knowledgable fellow Model "T" users, on this list, will have more insights into this subject. -Rick @ Club 100- From goflo@pacbell.net Sat Jun 20 14:22:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18096 invoked from network); 20 Jun 1998 14:22:46 -0000 Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (206.13.28.41) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 1998 14:22:46 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-120-14.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.120.14]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id HAA20594 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358BC40B.4E6E@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:15:39 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: pwr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit chris&les wrote: > My m100 seems to consume it's battery supply at an much faster rate. It > works fine and all, I just don't get the battery life it use to. It's not > peripherals either, it drains batteries with or without any of the extras I > have. Is it old age? > chris M100 pulls about 350 mw at idle ( Power on but not doing anything). One possibility is that the internal ni-cad is pulling the battery pack down. Check if memory back-up is working, and how long. Supposed to be good for eight days. Jack From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sat Jun 20 14:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18375 invoked from network); 20 Jun 1998 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 1998 14:57:50 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00081 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA02057; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: power supply To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <199806201203.IAA06011@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > My m100 seems to consume it's battery supply at an much faster rate. It > works fine and all, I just don't get the battery life it use to. It's not > peripherals either, it drains batteries with or without any of the extras I > have. Is it old age? I use POWER CONT on my machines because I get annoyed when I have to power on/off. If you rely on automatic power shutoff and a program has set the machine to continuous power, you might perceive a drop in battery life. Batteries vary in quality, too. Using a battery holder and a few jumpers, you can measure the current draw of the unit and compare the results to some of the figures I've seen in the Club 100 library. Others would probably be interested in seeing how their 102 or NEC or whatever matched up. You might have something gone awry inside the machine, but look to the simple stuff first. How pronounced is the drain? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From drbinns@idirect.com Sun Jun 21 03:44:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21699 invoked from network); 21 Jun 1998 03:44:14 -0000 Received: from nexus.idirect.com (207.136.80.55) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1998 03:44:14 -0000 Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts7-15t-23.idirect.com [209.161.231.23]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA29865; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806210342.XAA29865@nexus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: , Subject: Re: power supply Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:18:25 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > My m100 seems to consume it's battery supply at an much faster rate. It > works fine and all, I just don't get the battery life it use to. It's not > peripherals either, it drains batteries with or without any of the extras I > have. Is it old age? > Hi Chris........ As if you really need another reply to your original message ;-) If you are using Ni-Cad batteries, remember that they have an average lifespan of five years, though they lose their spunk over that time span. By that I mean that they gradually lose their ability to recharge over their useful lives. So it would not be surprising to find them to fail much earlier than five years, or even three years. Seldom-used batteries lose their recharge abilities even faster. -=Paul=- From skold@columbus.rr.com Sun Jun 21 04:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22003 invoked from network); 21 Jun 1998 04:29:41 -0000 Received: from m5.columbus.rr.com (204.210.252.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1998 04:29:41 -0000 Received: from columbus.rr.com (htp241066.columbus.rr.com [204.210.241.66]) by m5.columbus.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10094 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358C8BC3.4825132A@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:27:47 -0400 From: Skold Reply-To: skold@biogate.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering what kind of software was(is?) available for the model 100, I don't mean what is on the club 100 library, I mean like the commercial stuff in the neat brown binders. Or if there are more archives like the club 100 library I can get to. Thanks -Kris P.S. On the stuff in the binders, I have Starblaze 100, Bar code Drivers, Calculator and Tandy Code, which I would be happy to copy for anyone if they send me a tape to put it on. From thedock@value.net Sun Jun 21 13:58:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23933 invoked from network); 21 Jun 1998 13:58:03 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1998 13:58:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id GAA12276; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Paul Binns cc: mwalimu@corinthian.net, m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: power supply In-Reply-To: <199806210342.XAA29865@nexus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Paul Binns wrote: > If you are using Ni-Cad batteries, remember that they have an average > lifespan of five years, though they lose their spunk over that time > span. By that I mean that they gradually lose their ability to recharge > over their useful lives. So it would not be surprising to find them to > fail much earlier than five years, or even three years. Seldom-used > batteries lose their recharge abilities even faster. To follow up on your battery comments to Chris, attached is a statement from Dr. Tracy Allen, EME Systems, Berkeley CA. -- BATTERY LIFE A set of 4 nicads turns out 4.8v for most of its life, while a set of four alkalines turns out 6.2v when new and trails off to about 5 volts at the end. The Model 100 is designed to turn on the low-battery light when the batteries (alkalines) are near the end of their useful life. It just so happens that that is the point where nicads are at their best. Some people manage to squeeze an extra nicad into a hidden corner of the computer, so that a stack of five nicads adds up to 6v and runs the Model 100 just dandy. Tracy Allen 8-29-91 -- At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Sun Jun 21 14:05:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24083 invoked from network); 21 Jun 1998 14:05:51 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 1998 14:05:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA12732; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: To: skold@biogate.com cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Software In-Reply-To: <358C8BC3.4825132A@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Skold wrote: > I was wondering what kind of software was(is?) available for the model > 100, I don't mean what is on the club 100 library, I mean like the > commercial stuff in the neat brown binders. Or if there are more > archives like the club 100 library I can get to. Thanks -Kris Attached is a list of the "brown binder" software once sold by Radio Shack. Plus, there were others sold by various companies. I have some original copies of the brown binder software in the warehouse and will sell it at $2 each until sold out. Of course, I would have to do a count of how many I have to each, and I know I don't have copies of everything -- except for one of each in the official Club 100 collection, which is not for sale. Anyway, here's the list of brown binder software... CATNO TITLE 3822 Personal Finance 3824 Investment Analysis 3825 Statistical Analysis 3827 Calculator 3828 Spectaculator 3829 Multiplan 3830 Scripsit 3831 Business Finance 3832 Business Decisions 3833 Executive Calendar 3834 Function Plotter 3839 Remote Disk 3840 Starblaze 100 3844 Interactive Solutions 3845 Bar Code Writer 3846 Bar Code Drivers 3847 Tandy Code At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From james.cameron@digital.com Mon Jun 22 00:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26974 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1998 00:46:05 -0000 Received: from mail12.digital.com (192.208.46.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 00:46:05 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail12.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0f) with ESMTP id UAA04491 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA23684 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:44:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA01480; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:44:00 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <358DA8D0.427EC538@digital.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:44:00 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Re: power supply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A data point. I've just placed a Tandy 102 on a remote site with a 5.86V regulated power supply. It draws between 95 and 105mA, continuous. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Jun 22 02:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27735 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1998 02:24:04 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 02:24:04 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:13:09 PST To: thedock@value.net CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Software From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980621.161309.9A6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:13:09 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, thedock@value.net writes: > Anyway, here's the list of brown binder software... > > CATNO TITLE > 3839 Remote Disk What's that do? I may be interested in a copy. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From skold@columbus.rr.com Mon Jun 22 02:28:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27901 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1998 02:28:50 -0000 Received: from m5.columbus.rr.com (204.210.252.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 02:28:50 -0000 Received: from columbus.rr.com (htp241066.columbus.rr.com [204.210.241.66]) by m5.columbus.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00399; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358DC0E3.A6AE3385@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:26:43 -0400 From: Skold Reply-To: skold@biogate.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shadow@krypton.rain.com CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Software References: <980621.161309.9A6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was just at radio shack today, and they have in their big catalog a list of software for the m100 (It's under, "old software" or something like that.) it has descriptions if you want to see what it does. -Kris > Anyway, here's the list of brown binder software... > > CATNO TITLE > 3839 Remote Disk From james.cameron@digital.com Mon Jun 22 03:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28597 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1998 03:55:45 -0000 Received: from mail12.digital.com (192.208.46.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 03:55:45 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail12.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0f) with ESMTP id XAA26665; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA24071; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:53:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA02626; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:53:29 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <358DD538.6526F5EB@digital.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:53:28 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Binns Cc: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Re: power supply References: <199806220237.WAA09154@nexus.idirect.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------86BB35D46D467D7CE71CC2D2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------86BB35D46D467D7CE71CC2D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Binns wrote: > Your findings indicate that a 200mA DC output would suffice, as long > as one is not trying to recharge Ni-Cad's in place. Well, the device runs from 5VDC to 10VDC; the schematic shows a component in the power supply path (C83) with a maximum rating of 10VDC. Unregulated power supplies should be carefully chosen to limit the unit-off voltage level to below 10VDC. Example; 6V 500mA supply may be 13V open circuit, 6V 300mA supply may be 10V open circuit, 9V 100mA supply may be 16V open circuit, So take care to match it well, or add a regulator circuit. Otherwise the turn-on transient may deliver a voltage outside the specifications of that component. I can give you a design for a regulator that involves a three pin regulator "chip" and a triplet of diodes. This is what I used on my remote site unit for powering from a sealed lead acid battery charged by a solar panel. [design attached as second attachment] I would say connecting straight to a 12V supply would be a problem. > I wonder though, if running on the low end of XXXmA might affect the > ability of the machine to recharge the on-board/RAM-backup battery I have the circuit ... [power supply portion attached as first attachment] The circuit appears to charge the internal RAM backup battery whenever a voltage that is more than "two diode drops" above the backup battery is present on the power connector. The current given to the battery is dependent on the voltage provided, and is limited by a 1.6/1.8k resistor. The battery appears to be a three cell NiCd pack, therefore the voltage will range from 1.2x3 to 1.6x3. It's a trickle charge circuit, therefore as long as the voltage supplied by the AA cells or the power connector exceeds 4.8 volts then the NiCd will be kept in condition. Given that the unit won't function below about 5.0 volts this seems a reasonable value. Interesting; the AA cells will keep the NiCd charged. That would explain why my AA cells discharge. ;-) -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. 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<980621.204928.5o1.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:49:28 PST In-Reply-To: <358DA8D0.427EC538@digital.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, james.cameron@digital.com writes: > A data point. > > I've just placed a Tandy 102 on a remote site with a 5.86V regulated > power supply. It draws between 95 and 105mA, continuous. I bet it isn't using the serial port or printer port much. Those seem to be the *big* current draws. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From james.cameron@digital.com Mon Jun 22 04:14:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28977 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1998 04:14:32 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 04:14:32 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0f) with ESMTP id AAA13783; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA24260; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:12:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA02827; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:12:23 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <358DD9A7.E2BB4AF4@digital.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:12:23 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Leonard Erickson Cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: power supply References: <980621.204928.5o1.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leonard Erickson wrote: > In mail, james.cameron@digital.com writes: > > I've just placed a Tandy 102 on a remote site with a 5.86V regulated > > power supply. It draws between 95 and 105mA, continuous. > > I bet it isn't using the serial port or printer port much. Those seem > to be the *big* current draws. Panic! Did I test it with the serial port running? I hope so, if not my sealed lead acid battery will be ruined, and perhaps my data will not be gathered. I shall check at home with the backup unit. Thanks for pointing that out, Leonard. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From antilles@erols.com Mon Jun 22 23:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3059 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1998 23:00:19 -0000 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 23:00:19 -0000 Received: from compushit (207-172-207-85.s22.as6.blb.erols.com [207.172.207.85]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27532 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358EE170.6948@erols.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:57:52 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Reply-To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Printing and the m100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently acquired an m100 from a new friend off of this mailing list :) I am curious as to where I might obtain a printer cable. Is it a standard interface on the other end? Can it be used on any printer, or only Tandy dot matrix printers? I hope someone can satisfy my curiousity. On a side note, I am still truly amazed at the versatility of the m100. I take great pride in pointing out that I own one of the first true laptops ever made! -- 73, KB3CBC Scott E. Roberts E-Mail: antilles@erols.com Member - Baltimore's Marching Ravens: Clarinet Section - Since October, 1996. Baltimore's Marching Ravens Home Page: http://www.ravensband.org KB3CBC - Licensed Amateur Radio Operator, Technician Class Member - First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society From skold@columbus.rr.com Mon Jun 22 23:09:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3251 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1998 23:09:26 -0000 Received: from m5.columbus.rr.com (204.210.252.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 1998 23:09:26 -0000 Received: from columbus.rr.com (htp241066.columbus.rr.com [204.210.241.66]) by m5.columbus.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22739; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358EE3A2.EF74A333@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:07:14 -0400 From: Skold Reply-To: skold@biogate.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 References: <358EE170.6948@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the printer cable is a standard cable on the other end. you can plug it in to other printers, but I have 2 epson dot matrixes, a cannon bjc-600, a trs-80 daisy wheel printer, and a little travel printer. The only ones I ever got to print right were the travel and trs-80. so There is a compatabillity problem with newer printers. Scott Roberts wrote: > > I recently acquired an m100 from a new friend off of this mailing list > :) > I am curious as to where I might obtain a printer cable. Is it a > standard interface on the other end? Can it be used on any printer, or > only Tandy dot matrix printers? I hope someone can satisfy my > curiousity. > > On a side note, I am still truly amazed at the versatility of the m100. > I take great pride in pointing out that I own one of the first true > laptops ever made! > -- > 73, KB3CBC > Scott E. Roberts > E-Mail: antilles@erols.com > Member - Baltimore's Marching Ravens: > Clarinet Section - Since October, 1996. > Baltimore's Marching Ravens Home Page: > http://www.ravensband.org > KB3CBC - Licensed Amateur Radio Operator, Technician Class > Member - First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society -- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use mQGhBDWJeigRBADkR8hM0umRrlGBP4rLSBcCBj6pvoa26/rBQyDY8AOOyN3uL3Eh e/6XwySSXyg/jC5YRsnkwMWV6Yne4zwRrvBd1wr6XOKHJfomlDoM514qgFTWLk1j WVl86PVAFOt9iM2ctqtZGATASspaSTsecpkY6uSDW+2B33QvOkRflLvghwCg/4nU ApjBJE1jC7hK91s+4GdHgKkD+KoEnaEDUpGjuWfq65WZ1NqPj2wBSaCo0EhyeixS 9UQWzAcykoHpgBz4HUaNrjBvaTGXUiJWGILziz1xtqgtRKNwYlm2kByFTfanUAWX 8clwnQP0BvvbLltXBhpp84nRVv7tN01vQO2MviB5jbCOdSrYy3YJ0xskj3NOUrEZ rxIEAJTK30g6DR8H1tLMhTfPHIG593EaLNFhkIu+yR+gFCugX6XqrvTBF8HswW45 G2ymCSN2OTAnrRiamkkrYL3IE/PUUCW35kh1zY7AtO0nXnliyREx6PGkeaziErdt FNTr1KIJXXoEE8W6euhY84bI9RuHgd5fgQddzV2pA925oAnttBlTa29sZCA8c2tv bGRAYmlvZ2F0ZS5jb20+iQBLBBARAgALBQI1iXooBAsDAgEACgkQ0TwVVQUIxHeW cwCg1C5H+rDyqqYb5MEgvgMAzigauyMAoLUP8TGt6RI4RPuXwKjlfKiqTd5cuQQN BDWJeikQEAD5GKB+WgZhekOQldwFbIeG7GHszUUfDtjgo3nGydx6C6zkP+NGlLYw SlPXfAIWSIC1FeUpmamfB3TT/+OhxZYgTphluNgN7hBdq7YXHFHYUMoiV0MpvpXo Vis4eFwL2/hMTdXjqkbM+84X6CqdFGHjhKlP0YOEqHm274+nQ0YIxswdd1ckOEri xPDojhNnl06SE2H22+slDhf99pj3yHx5sHIdOHX79sFzxIMRJitDYMPj6NYK/aEo Jguuqa6zZQ+iAFMBoHzWq6MSHvoPKs4fdIRPyvMX86RA6dfSd7ZCLQI2wSbLaF6d fJgJCo1+Le3kXXn11JJPmxiO/CqnS3wy9kJXtwh/CBdyorrWqULzBej5UxE5T7bx brlLOCDaAadWoxTpj0BV89AHxstDqZSt90xkhkn4DIO9ZekX1KHTUPj1WV/cdlJP PT2N286Z4VeSWc39uK50T8X8dryDxUcwYc58yWb/Ffm7/ZFexwGq01uejaClcjrU GvC/RgBYK+X0iP1YTknbzSC0neSRBzZrM2w4DUUdD3yIsxx8Wy2O9vPJI8BD8KVb GI2Ou1WMuF040zT9fBdXQ6MdGGzeMyEstSr/POGxKUAYEY18hKcKctaGxAMZyAcp esqVDNmWn6vQClCbAkbTCD1mpF1Bn5x8vYlLIhkmuquiXsNV6z3WFwACAg//Vwzu my21P1kc/6JiFQ28RTei5T5H908mymiSrrq5bRqpAK7MY+Dk5finwu0JVw3Cc2d1 bg6iP4b1Kt/ZiFUrwS8kZoe07atZyWFoaV2oLCuXAXonOnLA0t6rh0hv0z2fQQ6L C/AklVDWDXk0o/T9tf6jjP2FbPpBYeSZMXVvNOYRc6RQoCJdlLshRtPbJ0EzBlid aD2GPv7JMyyMVkmijEGFVd19F9asCSUFQ1RScWWJw3loDx5j75AvhUUU1xG/4zIB w6t5nVm5MVdSnVrGE9nA9y14gTK/0RVwIGL+JQRJD8o6rVuVQ4/4Iq43B1fA6TXg WXVCHsz4dTMeEkFIV75zWj0F/TDCB+pb46nYVNf31pUR/5pHAUvaGIMsX+UDuTA2 3+c05Y0uuixJeL10JsCK/+x7rL4Ebsjt5ocl4bKUS9OyjruIap9WnzhBcD3UL6cr IUi59AxEPiOgGOWqbAf6ecMQ4ZIRLXm+BlXLLrwa3H7Iltnr8seJ3Tq03XLXVS4U 0Fb2uJsnVhfe0J6Zq2TSpfBysCtmwSAp/QO506VMdx7YynYuQtXVRVHPx1JzKxmw lbAiRa36hkCsd3ePNp53l55z8eNf4qCuyjhfKR3VFOtJsWbQXAoxLUI/lgnYYMG/ lNtrSQhK0yjXeKwF9mqUDStxz9n9LIVbh87tq6OJAEYEGBECAAYFAjWJeikACgkQ 0TwVVQUIxHc2PgCfRLWnAO3dnx9CcDQuy2bIFaRo8o4An1Jh7EcMtjtTuBzt/Lip WaCZ/Tcr =7DMd -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From mwalimu@corinthian.net Tue Jun 23 03:43:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5301 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 03:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 03:43:10 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c08.corinthian.net [207.53.82.108]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA17442 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:41:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199806230341.XAA17442@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: DISK+ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:42:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does any one have the boot disk for DISK+?? I've got the ROM, but no way to use it. chris From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Tue Jun 23 05:08:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5872 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 05:08:10 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 05:08:10 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:17:10 PST To: antilles@erols.com CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980622.211710.8f3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:17:10 PST In-Reply-To: <358EE170.6948@erols.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, antilles@erols.comNOSPAM writes: > I recently acquired an m100 from a new friend off of this mailing list > :) > I am curious as to where I might obtain a printer cable. Is it a > standard interface on the other end? Can it be used on any printer, or > only Tandy dot matrix printers? I hope someone can satisfy my > curiousity. You can probably still order them from Tandy. Or, hit a store that sells expansion cards for PCs. Tell them you are looking for a cable to hook up the second printer port on a card. If they can help you, they'll dig out a short piece of ribbon cable with a connector that'll fit the M100 printer port on one end and a female DB-25 connector on the other. These cables work as an adapter to let you connect a standard IBM PC printer cable to the 100. The only odd thing about printing with the 100 is that it defaults to sending CR without an LF. So printers tend to put everything on one line. There's a program that fixes this. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From techno@owned.moron.com Tue Jun 23 07:01:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6271 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 07:01:54 -0000 Received: from owned.moron.com (techno@205.146.128.133) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 07:01:54 -0000 Received: (from techno@localhost) by owned.moron.com (8.8.5/2.31337.4.U) id CAA12719; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Woodrow Hinkleman To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: <980622.211710.8f3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > You can probably still order them from Tandy. Or, hit a store that > sells expansion cards for PCs. Tell them you are looking for a cable to > hook up the second printer port on a card. If they can help you, > they'll dig out a short piece of ribbon cable with a connector that'll > fit the M100 printer port on one end and a female DB-25 connector on > the other. > > These cables work as an adapter to let you connect a standard IBM PC > printer cable to the 100. The problem with those cables is that several grounds on the m100 will short several printer outputs to ground. Cutting four wires in the cable (corresponding to m100 pins 2, 4, 6, and 8, or DB-25 pins 14, 15, 16, and 17) will allow it to work safely. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---Woodrow (techno@moron.com) http://www.moron.com/~techno/ Amiga Forever --- Intel Outside! If you decide what processor to use based on a television commercial, you *DESERVE* nothing more than the Pentium. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Tue Jun 23 12:13:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7365 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 12:13:17 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 12:13:17 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA27907 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA02390; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:05:02 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What compatibility problem are you referring to? You'll probably generate a lot of mail, since I've used my machines with quite a few printers, including (currently) a Canon BJ-10e portable inkjet and an HP Deskjet 320 portable. The machine should work fine with any printer that is "DOS compatible," meaning that you can do a DOS COPY command to spool text to the printer. Printers that claim to be "Windows only" will likely present difficulties, though I do not own any of these models. I have not tried my Laserjet 5L or my Laserjet Plus (series 1). The biggest gotcha is that the M100's stock printing does not generate a line feed after a carriage return. The IBM PC way of doing things is to include the LF, so you usually end up changing a DIP switch on the printer to automagically add its own LF or you have your program add the LF. Otherwise, printing is straight-forward and pretty generic. >a trs-80 daisy wheel printer, and a little travel printer. The only ones >I ever got to print right were the travel and trs-80. so There is a >compatabillity problem with newer printers. From InfoBBS@aol.com Tue Jun 23 14:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8440 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 14:41:52 -0000 Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.67) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 14:41:52 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id TPGPa26052 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:38:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <96d711f0.358fbe02@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:38:57 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Printing and the m100 (fwd) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I would love to find out how to print HP Desjet 540. I have a program that adds LF commands,but how do you send a DOS COPY to the printer? Thanks for your Shea In a message dated 6/23/98 5:11:15 AM, you wrote: <> From mwalimu@corinthian.net Tue Jun 23 14:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8567 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 14:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 14:42:50 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c15.corinthian.net [207.53.82.115]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA21232 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:40:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199806231440.KAA21232@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: disk+ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:41:14 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit got it. thanks. chris From thedock@value.net Tue Jun 23 15:51:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9094 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 15:51:20 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 15:51:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA25154; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: <358EE170.6948@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Scott Roberts wrote: > I recently acquired an m100 from a new friend off of this mailing list > :) I am curious as to where I might obtain a printer cable. Is it a > standard interface on the other end? Can it be used on any printer, or > only Tandy dot matrix printers? I hope someone can satisfy my > curiousity. I have a box of original printer cables for the Model 100, 102, 200 and NEC PC8201a. Cables are $10 each plus shipping and are listed in the Club 100 catalog online. I accept visa or mastercard (e-mail or fax both work well) or check or money order by snail mail. Or, you can call me -- I answer if I'm in the lab. All orders are processed immediately (top priority - usually same day) even though Club 100 sales is not a supportive income -- it's a hobby business that I run with pride and high concerns for my fellow Model "T" users. > On a side note, I am still truly amazed at the versatility of the m100. > I take great pride in pointing out that I own one of the first true > laptops ever made! Well stated. And if I may add: The power of personal computing resides in the skill and knowledge of the user more than in the capabilities of the technology. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From vrondi@pop1.nettaxi.com Tue Jun 23 16:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9275 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 16:00:08 -0000 Received: from wvnvm.wvnet.edu (129.71.2.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 16:00:08 -0000 Received: from gryphon.wvnet.edu (129.71.78.73) by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Tue, 23 Jun 98 11:56:31 EDT Comments: Authenticated sender is From: vrondi@pop1.nettaxi.com To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 22:44:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: REchargable alkalines? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) I've seen a lot of people with reservations about using other kinds of rechargeable batteries ina model 100. BUt what about re-cahrgeable alkalines? I saw some in the store made by Ray-o-vac yesterday. They claim the same1.5v as the regular alkalines. (AA ones that is) Has anyone used these? any problems? -Chrys From thedock@value.net Tue Jun 23 16:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9400 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 16:01:10 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 16:01:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA27231; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: To: skold@biogate.com cc: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM, m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: <358EE3A2.EF74A333@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Skold wrote: > the printer cable is a standard cable on the other end. you can plug it > in to other printers, but I have 2 epson dot matrixes, a cannon bjc-600, > a trs-80 daisy wheel printer, and a little travel printer. The only ones > I ever got to print right were the travel and trs-80. so There is a > compatabillity problem with newer printers. It is common for folks to run into some printing problems between the Model "T" computer and modern printers. One of the biggest complaints is that the print ends up on one line, only, i.e. no line feed generation. This is easily solved by either running a LF program on the Model "T" or programming the printer to generate its own line feeds -- which is kind of tricky on newer printers. Another problem is that the Model "T" computer's TEXT program offers no automatic formatting options, other than embedding special characters into the file, then pipping the file out the port vs. using the built in function. But again, there are solutions available at Club 100. Our library of over 1000 programs includes a rather large category dedicated to printing. But, if you REALLY want to rock and roll, you can't beat T-WORD program available on both the The Ultimate ROM II and Sardine ROMs -- both available from Club 100. Okay, okay, okay... I hear you... I'll stop with the sales pitches. To help the cause, I will send the LF program to the list for all to use -- I do this every so often, anyway since printing is a constant question. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Tue Jun 23 16:02:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9525 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 16:02:33 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 16:02:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA27601 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: <358EE3A2.EF74A333@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 0 ' FLUTL.BA - By Phil Wheeler 1 'A "universal" Line Feed Utility which implements Hugo Ferreyra's FIXLF.HF1 and Don Corbitt's TELCOM linefeed patch 2 'in a single, menu-driven utility. It is a module of my current on-board Utility program, hence the structure. 3 'Note that FIXLF.HF1 is copyrighted by Hugo, and released "for non-commercial use only". 4 ' Phil Wheeler:4/14/84 5 ' 6 GOTO8 7 MAXFILES=1:CLEAR256,MAXRAM:DATE$=LEFT$(DATE$,6)+"84":MENU 8 CLS:RV$=CHR$(27)+"p":NO$=CHR$(27)+"q":A=64228:B=63066:KEY8,"Menu"+CHR$(13)+CHR$(254)+CHR$(13)+CHR$(245)+CHR$(62)+CHR$(10)+CHR$(204)+CHR$(63)+CHR$(109)+CHR$(241)+CHR$(201):PRINT:PRINT"Select Option:":PRINT:PRINT,"P)rnt LF",,"C)omm LF",,"T)op Menu" 9 ONINSTR("pPcCtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO10,10,15,15,7,7:GOTO9 10 CLS:F$=" Off ":P=PEEK(A)+256*PEEK(A+1):IFP=63615THENF$=" On " 11 PRINT:PRINT"Printer LF"RV$F$NO$:PRINT:PRINT,"E)nable",,"D)isable",,"T)op Menu" 12 ONINSTR("eEdDtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO13,13,14,14,7,7:GOTO12 13 POKEA,127:POKEA+1,248:GOTO10 14 POKEA,243:POKEA+1,127:GOTO10 15 CLS:F$=" Off ":IFPEEK(B)<>0THENF$=" On " 16 PRINT:PRINT"Upload LF"RV$F$NO$:PRINT:PRINT,"E)nable",,"D)isable",,"T)op Menu" 17 ONINSTR("eEdDtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO18,18,19,19,7,7:GOTO17 18 POKEB,1:GOTO15 19 POKEB,0:GOTO15 From thedock@value.net Tue Jun 23 16:23:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9818 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 16:23:09 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 16:23:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA01557; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: To: InfoBBS@aol.com cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Re: Printing and the m100 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <96d711f0.358fbe02@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 InfoBBS@aol.com wrote: > I would love to find out how to print HP Desjet 540. I have a program > that adds LF commands,but how do you send a DOS COPY to the printer? The LF program you have is to be run on your Model 100. It reenables LF generation on the Model "T" side ... then just a .do file and your printer should work normally ... including lazer printers. To really control printer output you will want to use one of the print formatting programs in our library. As for the DOS COPY command, that's an old trick and emplys that you understand that all computer peripherals are simply named devices under the MS-DOS operating system -- similar to most all DOSes, including UNIX and RX11. Anyway, let's say you'd like a printed copy of your autoexec.bat file -- an ASCII file that's on eveyr MS-DOS computer. The command is: copy autoexec.bat prn: This will copy the file to the device name which just happends to have a printer connected to it. The command will not, however, generate a form feed. For that you will have to copy the form feed character ^Z to the prn: device. I do this with a simple .bat and text file combinaton, i.e. I have ^Z in a text file, such as feed.txt and use a .bat file, such as feed.bat with the command copy feed.txt prn: as the only command in the file. Hey... it works! --Rick @ Club 100-- From jamief@freakazoid.athomeprd.com Tue Jun 23 20:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11866 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO athomeprd.com) (204.33.87.100) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from notme by athomeprd.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA14241; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:24:47 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01bd9ee5$fa457fc0$0200a8c0@notme> From: "Jamie Forbes" To: Subject: Re: REchargable alkalines? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:31:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I've seen a lot of people with reservations about using other kinds > of rechargeable batteries ina model 100. BUt what about > re-cahrgeable alkalines? I saw some in the store made by Ray-o-vac > yesterday. They claim the same1.5v as the regular alkalines. (AA > ones that is) > Has anyone used these? any problems? I use the Ray-O-Vac Alkaliene rechargables in my M100 and LOVE THEM! I also use them in everything else. I have been using the for about a year now, and they do seem to be everything they are cracked up to be. Jamie Forbes From antilles@erols.com Tue Jun 23 22:34:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12908 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 22:34:08 -0000 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 22:34:08 -0000 Received: from compushit (207-172-206-42.s42.as1.blb.erols.com [207.172.206.42]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24547 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35902CCF.2A81@erols.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:31:44 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Reply-To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: REchargable alkalines? References: <005a01bd9ee5$fa457fc0$0200a8c0@notme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jamie Forbes wrote: > I use the Ray-O-Vac Alkaliene rechargables in my M100 and LOVE THEM! I also > use them in everything else. I have been using the for about a year now, > and they do seem to be everything they are cracked up to be. > > Jamie Forbes I use the Rayovac Renewals in my TI-85 calculator. To date, they are two years old, and still going about three months between recharges. I've recharged them about 8 or 9 times. Considering the batteries paid for themselves after the second recharge, I consider it money WELL spent. I've used these rayovacs in my m100 for about, oh, 18 hours now, and no low battery light. I wonder if the discharge curve is flat or sloped? If it is flat, then the low battery light might mean you have less than 30 seconds to turn off the power... -- 73, KB3CBC Scott E. Roberts E-Mail: antilles@erols.com Member - Baltimore's Marching Ravens: Clarinet Section - Since October, 1996. Baltimore's Marching Ravens Home Page: http://www.ravensband.org KB3CBC - Licensed Amateur Radio Operator, Technician Class Member - First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Tue Jun 23 23:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13246 invoked from network); 23 Jun 1998 23:10:21 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 1998 23:10:21 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:59:45 PST To: techno@moron.com (Woodrow Hinkleman ) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980623.145945.6D2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:59:45 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, techno@moron.com writes: > On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > >> You can probably still order them from Tandy. Or, hit a store that >> sells expansion cards for PCs. Tell them you are looking for a cable to >> hook up the second printer port on a card. If they can help you, >> they'll dig out a short piece of ribbon cable with a connector that'll >> fit the M100 printer port on one end and a female DB-25 connector on >> the other. >> >> These cables work as an adapter to let you connect a standard IBM PC >> printer cable to the 100. > > The problem with those cables is that several grounds on the m100 will > short several printer outputs to ground. Cutting four wires in the cable > (corresponding to m100 pins 2, 4, 6, and 8, or DB-25 pins 14, 15, 16, and > 17) will allow it to work safely. Funny, the "real" M100 cable doesn't seem to do that, and it's wired "straight through". No cut wires, no swaps. The numbering on the two types of connectors is different what you get is a mapping like this: M100 Port 26-pin DB-25 PC Port --------- ------ ----- ------- STROBE 1 1 - STROBE DATA 0 3 2 + DATA 0 DATA 1 5 3 + DATA 1 DATA 2 7 4 + DATA 2 DATA 3 9 5 + DATA 3 DATA 4 11 6 + DATA 4 DATA 5 13 7 + DATA 5 DATA 6 15 8 + DATA 6 DATA 7 17 9 + DATA 7 n/c 19 10 - ACKNOWLEDGE BUSY 21 11 + BUSY n/c 23 12 + PAPER OUT ??? 25 13 + SELECT GROUND 2 14 - AUTO FEED ??? 4 15 - ERROR ??? 6 16 - INTIALIZE PRINTER ??? 8 17 - SELECT INPUT GROUND 10-24 18-25 GROUND n/c 26 I don't have the M100 manual handy, and the only source I can find for the M100 pinout isn't trustworthy on the lines I've marked ???. I'll note that M100 pin 2/DB-25 pin 14 *should* be grounded. Printers are *supposed* to treat that as a request to automatically supply an LF for every CR. And it looks like 6/16 and 8/17 should be grounded as well. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From antilles@erols.com Wed Jun 24 00:11:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13687 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 00:11:51 -0000 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 00:11:51 -0000 Received: from compushit (207-172-206-42.s42.as1.blb.erols.com [207.172.206.42]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25697 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359043B3.2F35@erols.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:09:23 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Reply-To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Printer Cable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found a 26 pin header that fits perfectly onto the m100. It is attached to a short length of cable that ends in a male printer connector that fits right on the back of a printer. Any idea on what I need to arrange the pinouts for? -- 73, KB3CBC Scott E. Roberts E-Mail: antilles@erols.com Member - Baltimore's Marching Ravens: Clarinet Section - Since October, 1996. Baltimore's Marching Ravens Home Page: http://www.ravensband.org KB3CBC - Licensed Amateur Radio Operator, Technician Class Member - First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society From vanalst@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 24 04:17:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15303 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 04:17:42 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 04:17:42 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA10067 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:15:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smx-ca9-19.ix.netcom.com(207.93.148.83) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009973; Tue Jun 23 23:15:10 1998 From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:23:29 GMT Message-ID: <35917b8e.1023759@smtp.ix.netcom.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:20:57 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >This will copy the file to the device name which just happends to have a >printer connected to it. The command will not, however, generate a form >feed. For that you will have to copy the form feed character ^Z to the >prn: device. I do this with a simple .bat and text file combinaton, = i.e.=20 >I have ^Z in a text file, such as feed.txt and use a .bat file, such as >feed.bat with the command copy feed.txt prn: as the only command in the >file. Hey... it works!=20 > >--Rick @ Club 100-- > A minor technical correction: the form-feed character is ^L. It goes = into your =46EED.TXT file first, followed by ^Z, which is the ASCII end-of-file = character. Here are more detailed instructions, for benefit of the user who started = all this: At the DOS prompt, type: COPY CON: FEED.TXT followed by Then type followed by and [Where bracketed items above are all individual keys, and where adjacent = should be pressed together. That is indicates that you press the = key and, before releasing it, press the key.] When you've finished the above, DOS should tell you that there has been "1 file copied" -- and you'll be back at the main prompt. Now, whenever = you need a printer page-feed, you can COPY FEED.TXT PRN: and you'll get it. Regards, Van From drbinns@idirect.com Wed Jun 24 04:34:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15489 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 04:34:27 -0000 Received: from nexus.idirect.com (207.136.80.55) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 04:34:27 -0000 Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts7-1t-45.idirect.com [209.161.228.77]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA12839; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806240432.AAA12839@nexus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "Woodrow Hinkleman " , Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:55:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But the easiest solution is to order a printer cable from Rick at Club 100. You can poke aroiund and buy one cheaper, I guess, but Rick's cables are guaranteed to work. You know about Club 100 don't you ?? -=Paul=- ---------- > From: Woodrow Hinkleman > To: m100@list.30below.com > Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 > Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 2:59 AM > > On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > > > You can probably still order them from Tandy. Or, hit a store that > > sells expansion cards for PCs. Tell them you are looking for a cable to > > hook up the second printer port on a card. If they can help you, > > they'll dig out a short piece of ribbon cable with a connector that'll > > fit the M100 printer port on one end and a female DB-25 connector on > > the other. > > > > These cables work as an adapter to let you connect a standard IBM PC > > printer cable to the 100. > > The problem with those cables is that several grounds on the m100 will > short several printer outputs to ground. Cutting four wires in the cable > (corresponding to m100 pins 2, 4, 6, and 8, or DB-25 pins 14, 15, 16, and > 17) will allow it to work safely. > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > ---Woodrow (techno@moron.com) http://www.moron.com/~techno/ > Amiga Forever --- Intel Outside! > If you decide what processor to use based on a television > commercial, you *DESERVE* nothing more than the Pentium. > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From goflo@pacbell.net Wed Jun 24 07:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16202 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 07:58:45 -0000 Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (206.13.28.41) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 07:58:45 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-125-107.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.125.107]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id AAA09245 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3590645B.2478@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:28:43 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: REchargable alkalines? References: <005a01bd9ee5$fa457fc0$0200a8c0@notme> <35902CCF.2A81@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Roberts wrote: > I use the Rayovac Renewals in my TI-85 calculator. To date, they are > two years old, and still going about three months between recharges. > I've recharged them about 8 or 9 times. Considering the batteries paid > for themselves after the second recharge, I consider it money WELL > spent. > I've used these rayovacs in my m100 for about, oh, 18 hours now, and no > low battery light. I wonder if the discharge curve is flat or sloped? > If it is flat, then the low battery light might mean you have less than > 30 seconds to turn off the power... Hope you will let us know how long they do last in your m100. Jack From antilles@erols.com Wed Jun 24 11:17:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17131 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 11:17:31 -0000 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 11:17:31 -0000 Received: from compushit (207-172-206-1.s1.as1.blb.erols.com [207.172.206.1]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA18152 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3590DFB1.5A86@erols.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:14:57 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Reply-To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Laptap.exe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps it is just me having problems. I have a DB9->DB9 cable which runs from com port 2 on the back of my machine to a DB9->DB9 null modem cable, which then connects to a DB9-DB25 adapter, which fits neatly onto the back of my m100. WHen using laptap, I set the com port to 2, i.e. laptap 2 The problem occurs when sending files from the computer to my m100. The 9600 baud speed appears to be too fast. Some characters are missing in text and in the basic programs. I'd like to send the data from the computer at a more reliable 300 baud, however laptap does not support multiple speeds--only 300 baud. Slowing down the com port speed onthe m100 does not work. laptap wants to see COM:88N1E. I tried COM:38N1E, all the way up to 78N1E. All were failures except for the buggy 88N1E. Any comments or suggestions? Laptap is the only program I've seen with such an interface... -- 73, KB3CBC Scott E. Roberts E-Mail: antilles@erols.com Member - Baltimore's Marching Ravens: Clarinet Section - Since October, 1996. Baltimore's Marching Ravens Home Page: http://www.ravensband.org KB3CBC - Licensed Amateur Radio Operator, Technician Class Member - First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society From techno@owned.moron.com Wed Jun 24 12:12:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17611 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 12:12:18 -0000 Received: from owned.moron.com (techno@205.146.128.133) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 12:12:18 -0000 Received: (from techno@localhost) by owned.moron.com (8.8.5/2.31337.4.U) id IAA15630; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:10:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Woodrow Hinkleman Reply-To: Woodrow Hinkleman To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: <980623.145945.6D2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > Funny, the "real" M100 cable doesn't seem to do that, and it's wired > "straight through". No cut wires, no swaps. > > The numbering on the two types of connectors is different what you get > is a mapping like this: > > M100 Port 26-pin DB-25 PC Port > --------- ------ ----- ------- > STROBE 1 1 - STROBE > DATA 0 3 2 + DATA 0 > DATA 1 5 3 + DATA 1 > DATA 2 7 4 + DATA 2 > DATA 3 9 5 + DATA 3 > DATA 4 11 6 + DATA 4 > DATA 5 13 7 + DATA 5 > DATA 6 15 8 + DATA 6 > DATA 7 17 9 + DATA 7 > n/c 19 10 - ACKNOWLEDGE > BUSY 21 11 + BUSY > n/c 23 12 + PAPER OUT > ??? 25 13 + SELECT > GROUND 2 14 - AUTO FEED > ??? 4 15 - ERROR > ??? 6 16 - INTIALIZE PRINTER > ??? 8 17 - SELECT INPUT > GROUND 10-24 18-25 GROUND > n/c 26 > I don't have the M100 manual handy, and the only source I can find for > the M100 pinout isn't trustworthy on the lines I've marked ???. I'll > note that M100 pin 2/DB-25 pin 14 *should* be grounded. Printers are > *supposed* to treat that as a request to automatically supply an LF for > every CR. And it looks like 6/16 and 8/17 should be grounded as well. That looks quite similar to the pinouts which I determined when building that adaptor. BTW, '10-24' could be misleading, as it's actually only the even-numbered pins which are grounded. I confirmed that the m100 has ALL even-numbered pins from 2 through 24 grounded. You could very well be correct about pin 2/14 (AUTOFEED); the info I checked doesn't spell its function out. The problem is that at least one of those lines (ERROR) is an OUTPUT from the printer. It is very bad practice to tie any output to ground. I'll have to dig up whatever reference I initially used...ISTR that more of them were outputs as well. The differences between different printers may come into account too. At any rate, it does work with those four cut (in my case, at least). And, since it's in the same thread and small, I'll respond to the other message here as well: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > But the easiest solution is to order a printer cable from Rick at > Club 100. You can poke aroiund and buy one cheaper, I guess, > but Rick's cables are guaranteed to work. > You know about Club 100 don't you ?? Yep, I sure do. Thing is, I've been a hardware hobbyist/experimenter for a long time, and I have a decent stock of parts. I've always liked the do-it-yourself idea. If I already have everything needed for a project, I'll just use it. Reinventing the wheel can be fun, as well as educational. I have no desire to put Rick down; he provides a terrific service! There are some things I need to pick up from him one of these days too. Just not a printer cable. :) //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---Woodrow (techno@moron.com) http://www.moron.com/~techno/ Amiga Forever --- Intel Outside! If you decide what processor to use based on a television commercial, you *DESERVE* nothing more than the Pentium. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From thedock@value.net Wed Jun 24 15:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19141 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 15:17:47 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 15:17:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA06351; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Leonard Erickson cc: Woodrow Hinkleman , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: <980623.145945.6D2.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > Funny, the "real" M100 cable doesn't seem to do that, and it's wired > "straight through". No cut wires, no swaps. This is just a confirmation that you are absolutely correct, Leonard. The original Model 100 printer cable (and I have a box of them available) is wired straight through, starting from pin 1 between a 26 pin connector and a 36 pin connector so that pins 27 through 36 have no wires attached. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Wed Jun 24 15:23:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19303 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 15:23:45 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 15:23:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA07336; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printer Cable In-Reply-To: <359043B3.2F35@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Scott Roberts wrote: > I have found a 26 pin header that fits perfectly onto the m100. It is > attached to a short length of cable that ends in a male printer > connector that fits right on the back of a printer. Any idea on what I > need to arrange the pinouts for? STOP! ... you do not have to arrange any pintouts, my friend. Scott... have you "not" read my messages about how to print? If you have what you say you have, then connect it to a printer, go into a .do file, do a , respond to the width command with 80, or 60, etc. and hit . If everything prints on one line, use the line feed program I uploaded to this list, or get one from the Club 100 library. But hey, if for any reason it does not print, let's talk it through. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Wed Jun 24 15:30:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19471 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 15:30:21 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 15:30:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA10864 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:27:58 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: <35917b8e.1023759@smtp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Wilson Van Alst wrote: > A minor technical correction: the form-feed character is ^L. It goes > into your FEED.TXT file first, followed by ^Z, which is the ASCII > end-of-file character. Oops! You are absolutely correct, Van. In my haste to bang out my daily load of 100+ e-mail messages, I entered the wrong control character reference in my message. That was really stupid of me, and do apologise to everyone. I greatly appreciate your complete work-up of how it's done for our friends on this list. All the best... -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Wed Jun 24 16:13:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20010 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 16:12:39 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 16:12:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA18827; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: To: antilles@erols.comNOSPAM cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Laptap.exe In-Reply-To: <3590DFB1.5A86@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Scott Roberts wrote: [snip] > WHen using laptap... [snip] > Any comments or suggestions? Laptap is the only program I've seen with > such an interface... [snip] Laptap has always had some problems addressing ports at high speed. May I suggest you try something that does work very well. And, like Laptap, it's free. Go to the Club 100 web site. Enter the library and go into the member uploads category. Download the filenamed DL-ARC.EXE. Put this file in a subdirectory you create on your hard disk, named c:\root and run the file. It will de-arc. I scanned in all the docs for the program. You will have DeskLink and a collection of DOSes for your Model "T" computer. You will need to load one of the DOSes into your computer if you do not have at least FLOPPY.CO for the tpdd or FLOPPY for the tpdd. To help the cause, you may pipe over (see TEENY.DOC) a small DOS called TEENY and use it to load in DOS100.CO, the RAM-based version of the famous TS-DOS program that I get $39.95 for with docs -- albeit the docs for ts-dos are not included in the arc-file ... I'm crazy, not stupid! :-) Anyway... to use the set-up, simply run DESKLINK.EXE on your DOS/Windows computer with the /2 command (since I read that you are using com2), then use your TS-DOS program on your Model 100 to save/load files to your DOS computer now in emmulation mode, thanks for DeskLink. File transfers will be at 19200 baud and you will be able to easily save/load all file types, i.e. .DO (ascii), .ba (tokenized BASIC), and .co (machine language). The only "concet" that you need to get into your thinking is that you are using this configuration like you would a disk drive vs. uploading and downloading via terminal programs, although that is what's happening, technically. Given the above, you don't have to spend a dime. However, if you really want some action, I offer TS-DOS on option ROM, complete with docs. End of sales pitch. Next subject... running .co files... If you have never run a .co file in your Model "T" and running DOS100.CO is your first, then here's the deal, as non-tech as I can present: CO files run from a special set of addresses in RAM that you must clean out any previous co file from that area and reserve space for the new co file. First, you must know how much to reserve. Go into BASIC, key in ... loadm"cofilename ...and hit . "COFILENAME" is the name of the .co file -- in this case, it's dos100. This will give you three numbers with labels. The number associated with the label "top" is the one you need to know. Now, dump the ram area and reserve the space, using that number. The BASIC commands are: clear0,maxram clear256,topnumber "TOPNUMBER" is the number you got from the first command. Exit BASIC with MENU or hit your function key, then simply put your bar cursor over the co file you reserved space for, and hit . The file will "duplicate" (*) itself into that reserved space and execute. (*) And one of the reasons you "will" want the ROM-based version of TS-DOS -- especialy if all you're gonig to do is transfer files to/from your DOS/Windows computer. It runs from the address space on the option ROM vs. taking up twice their size in small RAM space. Another reason is that you will not lose the DOS program if you get a cold start -- simply call the ROM with CALL 63013,1 for Model 100/102 and CALL 61167,2 for the Model 200. And while we're on that subject, yet, another reason (not well known) is that the TS-DOS ROM has an instant RAM recovery routine built in. That's right... you no longer have to memorize or have the famous "Cold Start Recovery" routine available ... this document is found in the Club 100 Technical category of our online library. So, if you have a TS-DOS ROM in your computer, upon a cold start, simply go into BASIC and issue the command CALL 63013,0 for Models 100 and 102, and CALL 921,146 for Model 200s. These tips are on page 12 of The Whole Enchilada document (1 of 5 docs in the series) entitled, "RAM, ROM & Storge Options v2.0." All the best... -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Wed Jun 24 16:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20311 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 16:30:34 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 16:30:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA22575 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Woodrow Hinkleman wrote: > > You know about Club 100 don't you ?? > > Yep, I sure do. Thing is, I've been a hardware hobbyist/experimenter > for a long time, and I have a decent stock of parts. I've always liked > the do-it-yourself idea. If I already have everything needed for a > project, I'll just use it. Reinventing the wheel can be fun, as well as > educational. I'm with you, my friend. It's fun to redo projects. That's how we not only learn stuff, but how we reconfirm that we know what we know. > I have no desire to put Rick down; he provides a terrific service! > There are some things I need to pick up from him one of these days too. > Just not a printer cable. :) No problem... I ain't going no where real soon. :-) I do apprecaite your kind words and good will. That's actually worth more than anything else in life. I will say that I sometimes go a bit overboard in my explanations online, am not always totally correct and definately not technical, but then we do have readers at various stages of knowledge. So as a club, with such a wide range of skills and knowledge, chiming together over the basics again and agian is an important part of the educational process, and definately the underpinning of our shared hobby-interest. This is what makes Club 100 so nice... it's not one person but many. We bridge the field from: "What the heck is a Model 100?" to: "I just got one at a swap meet for a buck... and WOW!" to: "Here's how you build a whatchamacallit." to: "...back in '83, a guy named Bob did this, and that led to..." to: "And on the 3rd day he made the earth... using a Model 100 with only 8K!" Ho my... here it is, 9:30 on a Wed morning and I've really got to get some work dons. Oh well, this is more fun! Grins... -Rick- From wittmann@physics.umd.edu Thu Jun 25 01:12:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24937 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 01:12:07 -0000 Received: from phys-mail1.physics.umd.edu (root@129.2.42.15) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 01:12:07 -0000 Received: from something.umd.edu ([129.2.42.79]) by phys-mail1.physics.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta2/8.9.0.Beta2) with ESMTP id VAA25542 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3591A404.65EBEC20@physics.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:12:36 -0400 From: Michael Wittmann Organization: Physics Education Research Group, UMD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Hello!! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, all, I had joined the m100 list shortly before it shut down and only today realized it had started up again. Cool!! Anyway, here's a question I have, and it's not really related necessarily to the Model 10x line... I moved to a WP-2 (wait! don't shoot me! I wanted the bigger screen, I got one cheap, and my Model 102 was too damn loud to use in a classroom), and now I have a few questions. Where do I get a memory card for this thing? or maybe a memory chip? Either one. I've always been most frustrated with the tiny memory on these suckers (and now the disgusting connectivity traits of the WP-2 are ranking up there), and I would really like to have some easy option for storing more files on the thing before I get home again... Any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much.... Michael Wittmann -- Michael Wittmann Physics Department Physics Education Research Group University of Maryland tel: 301 - 405 - 8090 College Park, MD 20742-4111 email: wittmann@physics.umd.edu http://www.physics.umd.edu/rgroups/ripe/mcw/ From vanalst@ix.netcom.com Thu Jun 25 05:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26282 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 05:51:57 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 05:51:57 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA18016 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:49:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smx-ca9-47.ix.netcom.com(207.93.148.111) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018008; Thu Jun 25 00:49:31 1998 From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Laptap.exe Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:57:48 GMT Message-ID: <3593e413.10349156@smtp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3590DFB1.5A86@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <3590DFB1.5A86@erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:14:57 -0400, you wrote: >Perhaps it is just me having problems. I have a DB9->DB9 cable which >runs from com port 2 on the back of my machine to a DB9->DB9 null modem >cable, which then connects to a DB9-DB25 adapter, which fits neatly onto >the back of my m100. WHen using laptap, I set the com port to 2, i.e.=20 >laptap 2 >The problem occurs when sending files from the computer to my m100. The >9600 baud speed appears to be too fast. Some characters are missing in >text and in the basic programs. I'd like to send the data from the >computer at a more reliable 300 baud I have no idea why your transfers are so erratic, unless the DB9/DB25 = converter is dropping one of the hardware handshake lines. I never gave much = thought to a low command-line option for LAPTAP, but it could certainly be done. = Can't believe it would have to drop all the way to 300 Baud, though: 2400 seems= more reasonable. At the moment, I'm not sure what shelf has the box that has the disk that= has the file with the LAPTAP source code, but the modification will get = on my to-do list. Meantime, if you're willing to accept 300 Baud, you could plug a phone = line between your PC modem and your M100 modem and do it all with TELCOM... Regards, Van From techno@owned.moron.com Thu Jun 25 12:04:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27431 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 12:04:36 -0000 Received: from owned.moron.com (techno@205.146.128.133) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 12:04:36 -0000 Received: (from techno@localhost) by owned.moron.com (8.8.5/2.31337.4.U) id IAA17974; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Woodrow Hinkleman Reply-To: Woodrow Hinkleman To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 thedock@value.net wrote: > This is just a confirmation that you are absolutely correct, Leonard. The > original Model 100 printer cable (and I have a box of them available) is > wired straight through, starting from pin 1 between a 26 pin connector and > a 36 pin connector so that pins 27 through 36 have no wires attached. A-ha! Now, we are getting somewhere. My original comments were referring to an adaptor, used to allow a generic PC printer cable (DB-25 to 36-pin Centronics) to be used with the m100. Such a PC parallel cable is /NOT/ wired straight through! I just checked one and determined that it's wired as follows: DB-25 36-pin ----- ------ 1 1 2 2 3 3 [pattern continues] 12 12 13 13 14 14 15 32 16 31 17 36 18-25 19-30 Note that the pin numbering differs between the DB-25 and 36-pin Centronics, just as it does between the DB-25 and 26-pin IDC header. Since I was talking about a 26-to-25 adaptor, I mentioned the desirability of cutting the lines corresponding to m100 pins 2, 4, 6, and 8 (which are all grounded inside the m100). These pins correspond to DB-25 pins 14, 15, 16, and 17 when wired straight through via ribbon cable. Checking the above PC printer cable diagram, it can be seen that these grounded lines correspond to pins 14, 32, 31, and 36 on the 36-pin Centronics connector. Referring to an actual printer manual (Star Gemini 10X), I now see exactly why I determined that those wires should be cut. The printer's use of those pins is as follows: 14 - (NC) (unused) 31 - INPUT PRIME (resets printer/clears buffer when pulled low) 32 - ERROR (an OUTPUT from the printer!) 36 - (NC) (TTL high level!) So, I stand by exactly what I determined. If another printer uses pin 14 to cause automatic linefeeds, that would be acceptable. The other three lines should /NOT/ be tied to ground!!! For contrast, a straight-through, 26-pin to 36-pin ribbon cable (the standard m100 printer cable) would actually amount to this: 26-pin 36-pin ------ ------ 1 1 2 19 3 2 4 20 5 3 6 21 7 4 8 22 9 5 10 23 11 6 12 24 13 7 14 25 15 8 16 26 17 9 18 27 19 10 20 28 21 11 22 29 23 12 24 30 25 13 26 NC (inside m100, at least) Guess what? No connection at all to printer pins 14, 31, 32, or 36! It's interesting to note that, while one wire would connect m100 pin 26 to printer pin 31, that m100 pin 26 is listed as NC in the m100 manual itself. This would appear to confirm what I have said all along. :) //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---Woodrow (techno@moron.com) http://www.moron.com/~techno/ Amiga Forever --- Intel Outside! If you decide what processor to use based on a television commercial, you *DESERVE* nothing more than the Pentium. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Jun 25 12:11:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27625 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 12:11:42 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 12:11:42 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA13602 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA24806; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:02:11 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Hello!! To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <3591A404.65EBEC20@physics.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > necessarily to the Model 10x line... I moved to a WP-2 (wait! don't > shoot me! I wanted the bigger screen, I got one cheap, and my Model 102 > was too damn loud to use in a classroom), [snip] I've found all the Kyocera laptops to be a bit loud -- I use mine often in libraries. The dental rubber band trick deadens the key clatter nicely. It makes a big difference. Small memory takes a bit of getting used to if you "grew up" with 640K+ PCs or Macs. You can fit a lot of plain ASCII text in a 32K unit. You won't get a novel in there, but you will get a good sized research paper in there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From mwalimu@corinthian.net Thu Jun 25 18:51:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30574 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 18:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 18:51:23 -0000 Received: from dial-c04.corinthian.net (dial-c04.corinthian.net [207.53.82.104]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA08347 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:49:46 -0400 Received: by dial-c04.corinthian.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BDA048.95F6A260@dial-c04.corinthian.net>; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:50:25 -0000 Message-ID: <01BDA048.95F6A260@dial-c04.corinthian.net> From: christopher burns To: "'m100@list.30below.com'" Subject: RAM+ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:49:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does any one know how RAM+ works? I'm particularly interested in how to get to files in one bank from BASIC. Thanks chris From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu Jun 25 19:09:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30820 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 19:09:09 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 19:09:09 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:06:01 PST To: techno@moron.com (Woodrow Hinkleman) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980625.110601.5y4.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:06:01 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, techno@moron.com writes: > On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 thedock@value.net wrote: > > A-ha! Now, we are getting somewhere. My original comments were referring > to an adaptor, used to allow a generic PC printer cable (DB-25 to 36-pin > Centronics) to be used with the m100. Such a PC parallel cable is /NOT/ > wired straight through! I just checked one and determined that it's wired > as follows: > > DB-25 36-pin > ----- ------ > 1 1 > 2 2 > 3 3 > [pattern continues] > 12 12 > 13 13 > 14 14 > > 15 32 > 16 31 > 17 36 > > 18-25 19-30 > > Note that the pin numbering differs between the DB-25 and 36-pin > Centronics, just as it does between the DB-25 and 26-pin IDC header. Interesting. I have some PC to Tandy printer cables, and I'll have to check them out to see what *their* pinout is. > Since I was talking about a 26-to-25 adaptor, I mentioned the desirability > of cutting the lines corresponding to m100 pins 2, 4, 6, and 8 (which are > all grounded inside the m100). These pins correspond to DB-25 pins 14, > 15, 16, and 17 when wired straight through via ribbon cable. > > Checking the above PC printer cable diagram, it can be seen that these > grounded lines correspond to pins 14, 32, 31, and 36 on the 36-pin > Centronics connector. > > Referring to an actual printer manual (Star Gemini 10X), I now see exactly > why I determined that those wires should be cut. The printer's use of > those pins is as follows: > > 14 - (NC) (unused) > 31 - INPUT PRIME (resets printer/clears buffer when pulled low) > 32 - ERROR (an OUTPUT from the printer!) > 36 - (NC) (TTL high level!) > > So, I stand by exactly what I determined. If another printer uses pin 14 > to cause automatic linefeeds, that would be acceptable. The other three > lines should /NOT/ be tied to ground!!! In the manual for my Epson RX-80, 14 is listed as auto feed. 31 and 32 match yours, and 36 is list as an input (Select) which needs to be low for the printer to print! My HP Deskjet 500 lists 14 as unused, 31 and 32 as you list, and 33-36 as not used. So I'd guess that only *two* of the lines need to be cut. 32 (15 on the DB-25) and 36 (17 on the DB-25). -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu Jun 25 19:09:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30873 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 19:09:14 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 19:09:14 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:19:13 PST To: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Laptap.exe From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980625.111913.9X6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:19:13 PST In-Reply-To: <3593e413.10349156@smtp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, vanalst@ix.netcom.com writes: > On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:14:57 -0400, you wrote: > >>The problem occurs when sending files from the computer to my m100. The >>9600 baud speed appears to be too fast. Some characters are missing in >>text and in the basic programs. I'd like to send the data from the >>computer at a more reliable 300 baud > > I have no idea why your transfers are so erratic, unless the DB9/DB25 > converter is dropping one of the hardware handshake lines. Don't forget that the 100 doesn't *do* hardware handshaking! -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From bobs@netdoor.com Thu Jun 25 20:23:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31463 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1998 20:23:50 -0000 Received: from netdoor.com (HELO pike.netdoor.com) (root@208.137.128.6) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 20:23:50 -0000 Received: from default (port576.hat.netdoor.com [208.148.200.176]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04343 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:21:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980625151837.0073e978@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: bobs@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:18:37 +0000 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Rob Sayers Subject: modem question Hi, i recently bought an m100 and I dont know how to changr the modem from its default 7E1 setting, i'm trying to access a local board that uses 8N1, thanks! |West of House Rob 'Balaam' Sayers |You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded bobs@netdoor.com |front door. |There is a small mailbox here. |> From neilsm@usa.net Fri Jun 26 02:50:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1142 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1998 02:50:57 -0000 Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@206.12.82.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 02:50:57 -0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com (light71.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.71]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07078; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3590DFB1.5A86@erols.com> References: Conversation <3590DFB1.5A86@erols.com> with last message <3590DFB1.5A86@erols.com> Priority: Normal To: antilles@erols.com, M100 List MIME-Version: 1.0 From: N Subject: Re: Laptap.exe Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 19:44:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds normal. Some com programs have a pacing setting - let's you delay, say, 0.5 sec at the end of each line. The M100 needs time to gobble up the lines, especially with Basic where it needs to tokenise as it saves. Without the pacing setting, you'll need to slow down the transfer. Neil. > The problem occurs when sending files from the computer to my m100. The > 9600 baud speed appears to be too fast. Some characters are missing in > text and in the basic programs. From robir@iname.com Fri Jun 26 04:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1674 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1998 04:18:42 -0000 Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (207.51.48.186) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 04:18:42 -0000 Received: from default (slip129-37-124-200.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.124.200]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id AAA25074; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35932098.21BE@iname.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:24 -0400 From: Robi Robinson Reply-To: robir@iname.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher burns CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: RAM+ References: <01BDA048.95F6A260@dial-c04.corinthian.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Does any one know how RAM+ works? I'm particularly interested in > how to get to files in one bank from BASIC. I looked for docs - no luck I found the source in 5 minutes, but it wasn't obvious enough (if there at all - the OS passes the bank in a register) I found which machine (my kitchen clock) had RAM+ and stabbed at it. From Bank #3 'OPEN "A:ZXCVB.DO" for output as 1' created the file in bank #1, so it looks like "A:filename" or "B:filename" Robi From thedock@value.net Fri Jun 26 14:20:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4206 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1998 14:20:03 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 14:20:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA08049; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Rob Sayers cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: modem question In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980625151837.0073e978@mail.netdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Rob Sayers wrote: > Hi, i recently bought an m100 and I dont know how to changr the modem > from its default 7E1 setting, i'm trying to access a local board that > uses 8N1, thanks! To change the modem STAT: Go into TELCOM. Select the STAT function key. Key in M8N1E and hit . To dial and connect to a host: Set the switches on the left hand side to DIR and ORIG. Go into TELCOM. Select the CALL function key. Key in the number followed by the <> symbols and hit Example for logging onto the Club 100 bbs: 19259391246<> At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From MPatoray@aol.com Fri Jun 26 23:46:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6887 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1998 23:46:56 -0000 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 1998 23:46:56 -0000 Received: from MPatoray@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id TEHCa11468 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:44:04 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Remove Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 83 Please remove me from this list From james.cameron@digital.com Mon Jun 29 00:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15559 invoked from network); 29 Jun 1998 00:22:49 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1998 00:22:49 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0f) with ESMTP id UAA26306 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA17128; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:20:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA17899; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:20:08 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <3596DDB8.1EF536F3@digital.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:20:08 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: Model 100: what kind of EPROM? , just use RAM!] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------688915E7E89AC8142C0C612B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------688915E7E89AC8142C0C612B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ruud Broers post to comp.sys.tandy (attached) is one way to "fix" the measily year 2000 defect in the Model 100 menu. ;-) Lets you move the ROM contents to a RAM chip, in which you can then make changes. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 --------------688915E7E89AC8142C0C612B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: pa.dec.com!newsgate.tandem.com!su-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!IRIS.global-one.nl!cadmium.aware.nl!not-for-mail From: fam.broers@tip.nl (Ruud Broers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy Subject: Re: Model 100: what kind of EPROM? , just use RAM! Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:29:09 GMT Organization: NL-NIC Message-ID: <35967842.15006256@news.tip.nl> References: <_70f1.1659$Cw.1933570@news.giganews.com> <357cd340.156878375@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eindhoven-008.std.pop.tip.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keywords: TRS-80 Model 100 ROM RAM X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Hi, Looking at the questions on replacing the M100 ROM, I remembered an article I wrote for the Remarks (#55) some 10 years ago. This magazine is published by the Dutch TRS&PC Users Group.The following text is a translation from Dutch. Alternatively (and for test purposes) a 32K x 8 RAM chip can be mounted in the option ROM socket. The following description works in a Model 100. It has NOT been tested in a Model 102 or 200. This RAM memory can be used as alternative for the standard ROM, as storage for 'ROM' based programs, or as second Model 100 inside the Model 100. Suitable chips are 43256, 58256, 62256, 64256 etc, as long as they are 32Kx8 static RAM devices. The problem lies in connecting the 32Kx8 static RAM chip. This can be done by making an adapter printed circuit board, or just correct soldering of the 28 wires. The pinning of the Option ROM socket and 32Kx8 Static RAM are as follows: pin ROM RAM 1 Vcc A14 <-- different 2 A10 A10 3 A7 A7 4 A6 A6 5 A5 A5 6 A4 A4 7 A3 A3 8 A2 A2 9 A1 A1 10 A0 A0 11 D0 D0 12 D1 D1 13 D2 D2 14 Gnd Gnd 15 D3 D3 16 D4 D4 17 D5 D5 18 D6 D6 19 D7 D7 20 A11 CS/ <-- different 21 OE/ A10 <-- different 22 A13 OE/ <-- different 23 CE/ A11 <-- different 24 A12 A9 < 25 A9 A8 < 26 A8 A13 < 27 CS/ WE/ <-- different 28 A14 Vcc <-- different The pins indicated with "<-- different" are really different for the two chips. Note that pins 24, 25 and 26 also differ but all do carry address lines. Switching these lines has no effect on correct operation of the RAM extension. Now the following connections have to be made: 1 RAM (A14) ----> 28 ROM socket (A14) 2,3,..,19 RAM ----> 2,3,.., 19 ROM socket 20 RAM (CS/) ----> 27 ROM (CS/) 21 RAM (A10) ----> 20 ROM (A11) 22 RAM (OE/) ----> 21 ROM (OE/) 23 RAM (A11) ----> 22 ROM (A13) 24,25,26 RAM ----> 24,25,26 ROM 27 RAM (WE/) ----> 29 Expansion socket!! (WE/) 28 RAM (Vcc) ----> 1 ROM (Vcc) Note that pin 27 of the RAM chip (WE/) has no equivalent in the option ROM socket and is connected to the Expansion socket, thus enabling writing to the chip. The following two programs can be used to poke and peek in the added RAM. Both programs use the serial communications buffer for storage of the machine code used. Listing 1. POKE.BA 1 REM --- POKE OPTION SOCKET --- 100 FOR X=0 TO 11 110 READ D 120 POKE 65351+X,D 130 NEXT X 140 INPUT "HL, A";hl,A 150 CALL 65351,A,HL 160 GOTO 140 1000 DATA 243,71,62,1,211,232,112,175,211,232,251,201 Listing 2. PEEK.BA 1 REM --- PEEK OPTION SOCKET --- 100 FOR X=0 TO 13 110 READ D 120 POKE 65351+X,D 130 NEXT X 200 INPUT HL 210 CALL 65351,0,HL 220 PRINT PEEK(63360) 1000 DATA 243,62,1,211,232,126,50,128,247,175,211,232,251,201 The second program can also be used to peek a standard option ROM without crashing the computer. This is because interrupts are disabled when standard ROM is replaced by the option ROM for peeking, and switched back before returning to basic. The program in listing 3 copies the standard ROM to the new RAM. It should be executed only once. Save it before running! Also do not execute this program while valuable data is in your machine. Errors or incorrect operation of the RAM (due to incorrect wiring) will crash the machine. The two pokes in line 160 change the Basic prompt from "OK new line" to ">". Listing 3. ROMRAM.BA 100 FOR X=0 TO 20 110 READ D 120 POKE 65351+X,D 130 NEXT X 135 CALL 65351 140 POKE 65349,PEEK(65349)OR 1 150 T$=TIME$;REM force ROM -> RAM 160 PRINT "** Executing RAM **" 170 POKE 1014,62:POKE 1015,0:REM Change prompt 180 NEW 1000 DATA 243,33,0,128,43,70,62,1 1010 DATA 211,232,112,175,211,232,124 1020 DATA 181,194,75,255,251,201 The assembly source for the routine above looks like (in Z80 mnemonics): 65351 DI ;disable interrupts LD HL,8000H ;copy from 8000H downwards LOOP DEC HL LD B,(HL) ;get ROM data LD A,1 OUT (0E8H),A ;enable option ROM location LD (HL),B ;write ROM data in RAM XOR A OUT (0E8H),A ;switch ROM back on LD A,H ;check if all OR L ;was copied JP NZ,LOOP ;otherwise loop EI ;enable interrupts and RET ;return The peek and poke programs of course use the same principle. If you want to know what the date in the Model 100 should look like in the next century, perform the following pokes and return to the menu. POKE 23123,50 POKE 23126,48 Happy building and testing. With regards, Ruud Broers former author for Remarks and still (occasionally) using TRS-80 computers --------------688915E7E89AC8142C0C612B-- From charles@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com Mon Jun 29 13:27:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17916 invoked from network); 29 Jun 1998 13:27:33 -0000 Received: from gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com (HELO internet.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com) (@192.76.82.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1998 13:27:33 -0000 Received: by gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com id AA26847 (GTE Telephone Operations SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m100@list.30below.com); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:24:51 -0400 Received: by gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:24:51 -0400 From: "Charles E. Stepp" Message-Id: <199806291324.JAA23647@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com> Subject: Re: Laptap.exe To: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 9:24:50 EDT Cc: m100@list.30below.com In-Reply-To: <3593e413.10349156@smtp.ix.netcom.com>; from "Wilson Van Alst" at Jun 25, 98 5:57 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] > has > the file with the LAPTAP source code, but the modification will get = > on my > to-do list. > > Meantime, if you're willing to accept 300 Baud, you could plug a phone = Baud rate selection with laptap would be great. Somtimes I have garbled data also. The directions that laptap gives have been very useful in other situations. The same problem occurs when I log into my Unix workstation with direct connect cable, so I wrote a little shell script to slow down the transfer so that is would work ok: # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # wait 20 seconds so that user can start the download in telecom. # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- sleep 20 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Now read each line from the file <$1> and wait <$2> seconds between # each line to give the Model 100 time to digest. Default to 1 second. # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cat "$1" | while read line do echo "$line" sleep ${2:-1} done # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Wait for user to end the telecom download. # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- read junk -- ____ __ ___ /\ _`\ /\ \ 813-615-0392 Home /\_ \ \ \ \/\_\\ \ \___ __ _ __\//\ \ __ ____ \ \ \/_/_\ \ _ `\ /'__`\ /\`'__\\ \ \ /'__`\ /',__\ \ \ \_\ \\ \ \ \ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \_\ \_/\ __//\__, `\ \ \____/ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ /\____\ \____\/\____/ \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/____/\/____/\/___/ ____ __ /\ _`\ /\ \__ charles@fawn11.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com \ \,\_\_\ \ ,_\ __ _____ _____ \/_\__ \\ \ \/ /'__`\/\ '__`\/\ '__`\ /\ \_\ \ \ \_/\ __/\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ `\____\ \__\ \____\\ \ ,__/\ \ ,__/ \/_____/\/__/\/____/ \ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \_\ \ \_\ 813-978-2056 Work \/_/ \/_/ From neilsm@usa.net Tue Jun 30 22:29:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27789 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1998 22:29:24 -0000 Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@206.12.82.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 22:29:24 -0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com (light33.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.33]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17429; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation with last message Priority: Normal To: Ryan MacArthur , M100 List MIME-Version: 1.0 From: N Subject: Re: Leeching the files of CIS Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 15:21:49 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So now what does leeching the files of CIS involve here? Is it just .... > "get files," or is it more involved than that (like getting an account, > figuring out a crappy proprietary browser, and manually transferring > the files one at at time with said crappy browser)? The easiest way is to get an account with a credit card, a PC and a fast modem (14.4K or 28.8K - they have little support for a faster system). Since the first month has 5 free hours, that's enough to download it all. They also give away a free browser, get it and use 'Search Library' to mark all the files, then use 'Download Marked Files' and go have a coffee - keeping an eye on things as it screams and streams it all down! You'll still have some time left over to try out some other things there - look for Basic Progs etc. Neil. From neilsm@usa.net Tue Jun 30 22:39:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27990 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1998 22:39:27 -0000 Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@206.12.82.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 22:39:27 -0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com (light33.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.33]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17966; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199805091405.HAA12005@value.net> References: Conversation <199805091405.HAA12005@value.net> with last message <199805091405.HAA12005@value.net> Priority: Normal To: Club 100 Cc: M100 List MIME-Version: 1.0 From: N Subject: Re: CIS M100SIG Files Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 15:32:24 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > FYI: Thanks to a fellow Model 100 enthusiast in New York, the entire > contents of the M100SIG at CIS will soon be in the Club 100 computer lab > but "not" online. ?? How did you handle CI$ copyright issue??? Neil. From neilsm@usa.net Tue Jun 30 22:51:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28167 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1998 22:51:04 -0000 Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@206.12.82.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 22:51:04 -0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com (light33.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.33]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18639; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation with last message Priority: Normal To: Quantum Seep Cc: M100 List MIME-Version: 1.0 From: N Subject: Re: Tape recorders Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 15:43:59 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Since the Tandy tape recorders are scarce, I wonder about the > feasibility of several alternatives: > 2) A Commodore cassette recorder. These are more readily > available ... Won't work. Commodore stuff was deliberately crippled to stop you using something better or cheaper. We used to use any old regular mono cassette recorder - sometimes modified for convenience, e.g. rewire the 'tone' switch to bypass the remote control. Neil. From neilsm@usa.net Tue Jun 30 23:06:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28396 invoked from network); 30 Jun 1998 23:06:08 -0000 Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@206.12.82.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 23:06:08 -0000 Received: from light33.lightspeed.bc.ca (light33.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.33]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19438 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35996DC3.4E4F@usa.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:59:15 -0700 From: N X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: M100 List Subject: Bar Code reader & Books for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posted on EBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=19419752 Current offer is $3.00 !!!! Neil WOW, !! LOOK AT THIS , 7 BOOKS ON THE TANDY TRS-80 MODEL 100, ALSO HAVE THE BAR CODE READER AND SOME SOFTWARE TAPES, WHAT A FIND, DONT MISS OUT ON THESE!!! EVER BOOK FROM SERVICE,TO PROGRAMMING,OVER A 100 DOLLARS IN TRS 80 STUFF,SHIPPING IS 15.00 ITS VERY HEAVY FOR ALL THIS STUFF, THANX PAUL , **** LOOK AT THE PICS*** ANY QUESTIONS ,PLEASE ASK :) From thedock@value.net Wed Jul 01 15:54:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32314 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 15:54:29 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:54:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA09713 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: To: M100 List Subject: Re: CIS M100SIG Files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, N wrote: > > FYI: Thanks to a fellow Model 100 enthusiast in New York, the entire > > contents of the M100SIG at CIS will soon be in the Club 100 computer lab > > but "not" online. > > ?? How did you handle CI$ copyright issue??? Neil. That's simple. Please read the latest newsletter at the Club 100 web site. I address that and other items. I wrote the new newsletter last Sunday and posted in on Monday. But let me address your question as a general response to all who read this list: What is a copy right? What does the law say -- how does it read? And, if any of us violate that law (actually a group of laws and amendments), at any time, when does a violation take place, what conditions take presidence over other conditions, how do the amendments affect the conditions, and what are the steps one must take to prove a violation? In lew of a court decision, I would perfer not to hear ignorant comments (so typical of reporters) along the lines of morality, that in effect accuse me based on an opinion of what is right -- their point of view, as if they are the keepers of the truth; despite the law. Accusing anyone based on hearsay, assumption, opinion, or anything other than reality and law is an assult. X-reporters would be wise to reconsider "side comments in public places" in the above manner ... probably one reason they are ... X! From skold@columbus.rr.com Wed Jul 01 16:25:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32636 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from m5.columbus.rr.com (204.210.252.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 16:25:53 -0000 Received: from columbus.rr.com (htp241066.columbus.rr.com [204.210.241.66]) by m5.columbus.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27123 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359A6268.8BC411BC@columbus.rr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:23:04 -0400 From: Skold Reply-To: skold@biogate.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Tandy Code Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone on the list ever used tandy code? I am having trouble making it print the bar codes. I can print text fine the printer is set to cr+lf, but when I go to print the bar code, It just prints 003 on the first line, 004 on the second line, and so on. I have tried this with an atlantic slimwriter, an epson fx-86e, an epson jx-80, a cannon bjc-600, and a trs-80 daisy wheel printer (<-- I know why that one didn't work, silly me) Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. -Kris From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Wed Jul 01 20:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1386 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 20:05:14 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 20:05:14 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:32:38 PST To: skold@biogate.com CC: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Skold Subject: Re: Tandy Code From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980701.113238.0N9.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:32:38 PST In-Reply-To: <359A6268.8BC411BC@columbus.rr.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, skold@biogate.com writes: > Has anyone on the list ever used tandy code? I am having trouble making > it print the bar codes. I can print text fine the printer is set to > cr+lf, but when I go to print the bar code, It just prints 003 on the > first line, 004 on the second line, and so on. I have tried this with an > atlantic slimwriter, an epson fx-86e, an epson jx-80, a cannon bjc-600, > and a trs-80 daisy wheel printer (<-- I know why that one didn't work, > silly me) Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. It wants a Tandy printer. Tandy graphics mode is simple, but not supported by *any* other make of printer. It uses *7* dots, not 8. The 8th bit is set on all "graphics" data. So once it goes into graphics mode, you can still send control codes. Which is actually rather handy. So after sending the "enter graphics mode" command, the program will be sending characters in the 128 to 255 range. I forget if the dots go from the top down or the bottm up. In any case 128 is a "blank" column, 255 is a "full" column. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From robir@iname.com Wed Jul 01 21:30:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1954 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 21:30:08 -0000 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (207.51.48.185) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 21:30:08 -0000 Received: from default (slip129-37-124-201.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.124.201]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id RAA29533; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359AA98B.5B8F@iname.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 17:26:36 -0400 From: Robi Robinson Reply-To: robir@iname.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: skold@biogate.com, m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tandy Code References: <359A6268.8BC411BC@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leonard Erickson is very correct that it was written for specific printers. I wrote it. My failing memory tells me I wrote one version for the Tandy printers of the day and another for the Epsons (& clones) of the same vintage. I have no idea what was acutally published. If you really want to play with it, I can look at my archives. robi From zmerch@30below.com Thu Jul 02 15:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6862 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1998 15:57:59 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 15:57:59 -0000 Content-Length: 1346 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <359AA98B.5B8F@iname.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: robir@iname.com Subject: Re: Tandy Code Cc: m100@list.30below.com On 01-Jul-98 Robi Robinson wrote: >Leonard Erickson is very correct that it was written for specific >printers. I wrote it. My failing memory tells me I wrote one >version for the Tandy printers of the day and another for the >Epsons (& clones) of the same vintage. I have no idea what was >acutally published. > >If you really want to play with it, I can look at my archives. > >robi I don't believe that Tandy ever released the code to work with Epson printers -- only Tandy ones. I think I converted it, but where that code went, I'm not sure... I could never get my bar code wand to read anything, anyway. :-( Oh, and Leonard -- I don't recall if Tandy graphics go up or down, either, but IIRC they were the opposite of Epson graphics... but my failing memory won't allow me to remember which way that was. ;-( If I could ever get my home computer running again (bad (new) motherboard) maybe I could remember to look stuff up while at home. the 30 minute drive from work to home is long enough for me to forget all the stuff I want to continue with at my abode. ;) Ah well... Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Remember, drive defensively! And of course, the best defense is a good offense! From zmerch@30below.com Thu Jul 02 16:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7016 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1998 16:00:59 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 16:00:59 -0000 Content-Length: 1401 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: N Subject: Re: Leeching the files of CIS Cc: M100 List , Ryan MacArthur On 30-Jun-98 N wrote: >The easiest way is to get an account with a credit card, a PC and a fast modem >(14.4K or 28.8K - they have little support for a faster system). >Since the first month has 5 free hours, that's enough to download it all. Sure they do... if you're using TCP/IP you can connect direct from the Internet backbone... if you happen to own a T-1.... Like I just happen to own... >They also give away a free browser, get it and use 'Search Library' to mark >all the files, then use 'Download Marked Files' and go have a coffee - keeping >an eye on things as it screams and streams it all down! Unforch, it's not quite that simple if Compu$erve haven't improved their servers -- I was always getting hung (on their end) and had to re-start the download process all over again. >Neil. Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ The only real game in the world, I think, is baseball... You've got to start way down, at the bottom, when you're six or seven years old. You can't wait until you're fifteen or sixteen. You've got to let it grow up with you, and if you're successful and you try hard enough, you're bound to come out on top, just like these boys have come to the top now. -- Babe Ruth, in his 1948 farewell speech at Yankee Stadium From smead@lanminds.com Thu Jul 02 17:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7808 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1998 17:53:45 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (HELO LanMinds.Com) (140.174.208.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 17:53:45 -0000 Received: from lanfill.lanminds.com (caulk-ppp5.lanminds.com [208.1.127.141]) by LanMinds.Com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA20790 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <359BC86F.3D13@lanminds.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:50:39 -0700 From: Sharon Mead Reply-To: smead@LanMinds.Com Organization: ACMAD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Old Radio Shack computers -FREE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Please contact me ASAP if you are interested, they are soon going to be melted down! I have Model I, II, 16b TRS-80 Radio Shack computers with printers, hard disk drives, manuals, Dos and xenix operating systems,and Basic interpretors. Most run with 8" floppies (which are still available from Global). These are/soon to be collectors items. Email or call me. Pick up the stuff in Hayward, CA. Sharon (510)782-7744 (ask for Sharon or if you get voice mail, ext 19) From smead@lanminds.com Thu Jul 02 17:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7952 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1998 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (HELO LanMinds.Com) (140.174.208.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 17:57:24 -0000 Received: from lanfill.lanminds.com (caulk-ppp5.lanminds.com [208.1.127.141]) by LanMinds.Com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA20961 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <359BC94B.1A70@lanminds.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:54:19 -0700 From: Sharon Mead Reply-To: smead@LanMinds.Com Organization: ACMAD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: correction to phone # Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, the phone number for Radio Shack computers is 783-7744 not 782-7744 From zmerch@30below.com Thu Jul 02 20:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8964 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1998 20:38:44 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1998 20:38:44 -0000 Content-Length: 1895 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Printing and the m100 On 25-Jun-98 Woodrow Hinkleman wrote: >On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 thedock@value.net wrote: > >> This is just a confirmation that you are absolutely correct, Leonard. The >> original Model 100 printer cable (and I have a box of them available) is >> wired straight through, starting from pin 1 between a 26 pin connector and >> a 36 pin connector so that pins 27 through 36 have no wires attached. As per the *original* Centronics specification, I believe. Back then, printers (including Tandy's) had a lot of extra "non-spec" lines that that cable wasn't built to handle. Nowadays, with the IEEE-1296 (& others) cables, the specification has changed. >Since I was talking about a 26-to-25 adaptor If you want a quick & dirty (and functional) adaptor, go down to your local PC shop. Clone motherboards nowadays come with the parallel port built-in... and require a 26-pin header to 25-pin exterior port. Get one of these, and plug the 26-pin header into your Tandy (please note pin 1 on your system -- many of these headers are not keyed) and plug your standard (preferably 18-wire) Centronics cable into the 25-pin end. Voila! >Referring to an actual printer manual (Star Gemini 10X), I now see exactly >why I determined that those wires should be cut. The printer's use of >those pins is as follows: IIRC, the early Star printers were not fully Centronics compliant (as in -- added extra lines for themselves). Personally, I've not had a problem with the stock cable (or the fudge above) working with 2 Epson printers, an HP LaserJet 5L printer or a Canon BJ-10ex portable inkjet... but this is by no means an exhaustive list... ;-) Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ A man who keeps stealing mopeds is an obvious cycle-path. From drbinns@idirect.com Fri Jul 03 06:11:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11822 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1998 06:11:34 -0000 Received: from nexus.idirect.com (207.136.80.55) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1998 06:11:34 -0000 Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-37t-18.idirect.com [209.161.226.146]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA28075; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807030608.CAA28075@nexus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "N" , "M100 List" Subject: Help with Tandy 1400 LT Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:54:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone with experience with this machine give me some guidance on what the possibilities are in adding a hard drive(small IDE 20/40Mb), or internal modem? It appears that Tandy still have some hardware support for the Tandy 1400LT. What kind of expansion is practical? I'm not looking to turn this into a Pentium, but am intrigued with the possibilities. -=Paul=- From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Fri Jul 03 13:08:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13022 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1998 13:08:55 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1998 13:08:55 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11513; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id JAA23704; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:52:48 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Help with Tandy 1400 LT To: Paul Binns cc: N , M100 List In-Reply-To: <199807030608.CAA28075@nexus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Could someone with experience with this machine give me > some guidance on what the possibilities are in adding a > hard drive(small IDE 20/40Mb), or internal modem? Paul, the M100 list isn't the place for support for the 1400LT, but I will answer a few of your questions. > It appears that Tandy still have some hardware support for > the Tandy 1400LT. What kind of expansion is practical? Not really. The 1400LT, 1400HD, 1400FD, 1100FD, 1110HD, 1500HD, and other older Tandy laptops have their followers and supporters on the net mainly through the comp.sys.tandy newsgroup. Quite a few of the older models are 8088/86 or V20 laptops. There isn't much that you can buy in any computer store that'll work well with these old XT machines. Net access is mainly limited to Freenet and other ISPs who allow terminal emu access. I have used an 1100FD for the past 8 years alongside my "Model T" machines. I always say that a PC makes a darned good accessory to any M100/T102/NEC/etc! If anything, my PC laptop makes a good storage device :) Through the assistance of a few on the net and some experimentation on my own, I have gotten an Iomega Zip 100 (non-plus) drive to work on my 1100FD. The trick may work on your 1400LT, though your LT is older than my 1100FD by several years. For full text, check DejaNews and search for "1100FD" and "Zip". This is the main expansion available, though I have used MicroSolutions Backpack floppy drives. I have not tried the Backpack series of hard disks and CDROMs (I don't see the need given the limitations of my particular machine). > I'm not looking to turn this into a Pentium, but am > intrigued with the possibilities. IMHO, you can get a lot more life out of your old XT laptop, just as we get use out of our Model T machines. The XTs don't whether the ravages of time as well as the Model Ts, mostly due to the Model Ts' simplicity and lack of moving parts. For example, the 1100FD floppy is a high wear item -- they last only about 6-8 years before needing replacement even if you baby the machine. My NEC is about 15 years old now and still going strong. Too many people throw out the old machines thinking that anything not near the current "standard" is useless. Obsolete, maybe (I'll argue that though) but not useless. Take care. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From drbinns@idirect.com Sat Jul 04 06:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17869 invoked from network); 4 Jul 1998 06:54:57 -0000 Received: from nexus.idirect.com (207.136.80.55) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 1998 06:54:57 -0000 Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-40t-14.idirect.com [209.161.226.238]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA15323; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 02:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807040651.CAA15323@nexus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "Paul Binns" , "N" , "M100 List" Subject: Re: PDD boot disk Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:59:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks ! I need a boot disk for the Tandy Portable Disk Drive (cat# : 26-3808). If you'd be willing to send me a copy (not necessarily the original), please Email me with your address and I'll send you $5.00 to cover your mailing costs. I'll give you my address now: Paul Binns 65 Golfview Avenue Toronto, ON Canada M4E 2J9 Thanks in advance for your help. -=Paul=- From mwalimu@corinthian.net Tue Jul 07 12:56:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2744 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 12:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 12:56:11 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c05.corinthian.net [207.53.82.105]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA18778 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:53:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199807071253.IAA18778@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: M100 port expansion Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:54:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if this is going out twice, I still have trouble with email. I'm trying to hook up an 81c55 PPI to my M100. I did this a couple of years ago with an M102. The problem is I've lost my notes from that adventure and I'm starting over. The circuit I have uses pin 26 from the External bus as a chip select. This should work, I only have to invert the signal as the 81c55 wants a negative select, but pin 26 is an active high signal. This is no problem, I just use a NAND gate. The problem is that the circuit doesn't work. As I recall, I had the same problem last time and ultimately solved it by performing some surgery on my machine (ala Oppedahl-"INSIDE THE MODEL 100"). I connected the unconnected pin of chip M16 to the External bus and used that with no problems. The only problem here is that when I did the same to the m100, I found that it interfered with the operation of my PCSG RAM expansion, so I disconnected it. So.... My question is, does any one know how that pin, pin 26-CE for I/O, is used? chris From Charles.Stephens@Eng.Sun.COM Tue Jul 07 18:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5055 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 18:27:18 -0000 Received: from mercury.sun.com (192.9.25.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 18:27:18 -0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA00635 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:23:58 -0700 Received: from dobbs.eng.sun.com (dobbs.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.82.149]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with ESMTP id LAA13949 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:23:54 -0700 Received: from brak.eng.sun.com (brak [129.146.82.81]) by dobbs.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03279 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cfs@localhost) by brak.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) id LAA25901; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807071823.LAA25901@brak.eng.sun.com> To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: C compilers for 8080/8085 X-Face: (xx[.&.0Swozm=m{+3EKI~Wiz/bZn}xO&',E2Q)s!4BVkO"5Warsdm>3E}5uY'wkp%(zm{p1>A Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:23:52 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Does anyone know if there was a C compiler for the 8080 or 8085? I want to get back into doing some heavy M100 hacking. cfs -- Charles F. Stephens = cfs AT eng.sun.com Software Psychic and Illuminary = Solaris Network Sustaining = "Now there's a better way." --TCI Solaris Software = "Now there's even a better way" --AT&T Sun Microsystems, Inc. = Menlo Park, California, USA = From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Tue Jul 07 18:34:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5232 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 18:34:22 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 18:34:22 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21799 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA11214; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: C for 8080/8085 To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Attached is a note from James Cameron re C for the 8080. However, be advised that the assembler output is not specifically for the M100. Small C doesn't know where to call the M100 output routines, etc. You would need to write some library routines to call M100 routines instead of trying to use the built-in library for the host machine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:15:56 +1100 From: James Cameron To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Small-C Located I've located a copy of Small-C, which can generate code for 8080. ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/usenet/comp.sources.unix/volume5/smallc/ Those with Linux boxes will be quite at home. I'll see if I can get it working to compile C code for my Tandy 102's. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From Charles.Stephens@Eng.Sun.COM Tue Jul 07 18:56:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5552 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 18:56:00 -0000 Received: from mercury.sun.com (192.9.25.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 18:56:00 -0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA09713 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:52:40 -0700 Received: from dobbs.eng.sun.com (dobbs.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.82.149]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with ESMTP id LAA19688 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:52:37 -0700 Received: from brak.eng.sun.com (brak [129.146.82.81]) by dobbs.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03334 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cfs@localhost) by brak.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) id LAA26737; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807071852.LAA26737@brak.eng.sun.com> To: M100 Listserv Subject: Re: C for 8080/8085 References: X-Face: (xx[.&.0Swozm=m{+3EKI~Wiz/bZn}xO&',E2Q)s!4BVkO"5Warsdm>3E}5uY'wkp%(zm{p1>A Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:52:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: David Firth's message of "Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" >>>>> "DF" == David Firth writes: DF> Attached is a note from James Cameron re C for the 8080. However, DF> be advised that the assembler output is not specifically for the DF> M100. Small C doesn't know where to call the M100 output DF> routines, etc. You would need to write some library routines to DF> call M100 routines instead of trying to use the built-in library DF> for the host machine. Thanks. I realize the last point. I just hate writing in asm. cfs -- Charles F. Stephens = cfs AT eng.sun.com Software Psychic and Illuminary = Solaris Network Sustaining = "Now there's a better way." --TCI Solaris Software = "Now there's even a better way" --AT&T Sun Microsystems, Inc. = Menlo Park, California, USA = From egabriel@io.com Tue Jul 07 21:03:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6448 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 21:02:57 -0000 Received: from pentagon.io.com (egabriel@199.170.88.5) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 21:02:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (egabriel@localhost) by pentagon.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12795; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:58:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pentagon.io.com: egabriel owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:58:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel To: Charles Stephens cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: C compilers for 8080/8085 In-Reply-To: <199807071823.LAA25901@brak.eng.sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It seems to me that Small-C was able to generate 8085 code. Dave Dunfield Systems, (www.dunfield.com) carries a reasonably priced C cross-compiler as well. -Gabriel Emerson On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Charles Stephens wrote: > Date: 07 Jul 1998 11:23:52 -0700 > Message-ID: > Lines: 11 > X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" > > Does anyone know if there was a C compiler for the 8080 or 8085? I > want to get back into doing some heavy M100 hacking. > > cfs > -- > Charles F. Stephens = cfs AT eng.sun.com > Software Psychic and Illuminary = > Solaris Network Sustaining = "Now there's a better way." --TCI > Solaris Software = "Now there's even a better way" --AT&T > Sun Microsystems, Inc. = > Menlo Park, California, USA = > From Charles.Stephens@Eng.Sun.COM Tue Jul 07 21:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6615 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 21:12:46 -0000 Received: from mercury.sun.com (192.9.25.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 21:12:46 -0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id OAA24855 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:56 -0700 Received: from dobbs.eng.sun.com (dobbs.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.82.149]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with ESMTP id OAA10229 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:51 -0700 Received: from brak.eng.sun.com (brak [129.146.82.81]) by dobbs.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA03560 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cfs@localhost) by brak.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) id OAA27504; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807072108.OAA27504@brak.eng.sun.com> To: M100 Listserv Subject: Cross assembler for 8080 (was Re: C for 8080/8085) References: X-Face: (xx[.&.0Swozm=m{+3EKI~Wiz/bZn}xO&',E2Q)s!4BVkO"5Warsdm>3E}5uY'wkp%(zm{p1>A Date: 07 Jul 1998 14:08:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: David Firth's message of "Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" >>>>> "DF" == David Firth writes: Okay, I forgot to ask about the assembler. DF> Attached is a note from James Cameron re C for the 8080. However, be DF> advised that the assembler output is not specifically for the M100. Small DF> C doesn't know where to call the M100 output routines, etc. You would need DF> to write some library routines to call M100 routines instead of trying to DF> use the built-in library for the host machine. cfs -- Charles F. Stephens = cfs AT eng.sun.com Software Psychic and Illuminary = Solaris Network Sustaining = "Now there's a better way." --TCI Solaris Software = "Now there's even a better way" --AT&T Sun Microsystems, Inc. = Menlo Park, California, USA = From Charles.Stephens@Eng.Sun.COM Tue Jul 07 21:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6906 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 21:41:48 -0000 Received: from mercury.sun.com (192.9.25.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 21:41:48 -0000 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id OAA05823; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:38:29 -0700 Received: from dobbs.eng.sun.com (dobbs.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.82.149]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with ESMTP id OAA19336; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:38:27 -0700 Received: from brak.eng.sun.com (brak [129.146.82.81]) by dobbs.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA03592; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cfs@localhost) by brak.eng.sun.com (8.9.0+Sun/8.9.0) id OAA27564; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199807072138.OAA27564@brak.eng.sun.com> To: Gabriel Cc: Charles Stephens , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: C compilers for 8080/8085 References: X-Face: (xx[.&.0Swozm=m{+3EKI~Wiz/bZn}xO&',E2Q)s!4BVkO"5Warsdm>3E}5uY'wkp%(zm{p1>A Date: 07 Jul 1998 14:38:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: Gabriel's message of "Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:58:47 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" >>>>> "G" == Gabriel writes: G> It seems to me that Small-C was able to generate 8085 code. Dave G> Dunfield Systems, (www.dunfield.com) carries a reasonably priced C G> cross-compiler as well. The C compiler is free and ANSIish: Example source is: However, it only runs under DOS. :( Small C is good though. cfs -- Charles F. Stephens = cfs AT eng.sun.com Software Psychic and Illuminary = Solaris Network Sustaining = "Now there's a better way." --TCI Solaris Software = "Now there's even a better way" --AT&T Sun Microsystems, Inc. = Menlo Park, California, USA = From smead@lanminds.com Tue Jul 07 23:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7796 invoked from network); 7 Jul 1998 23:24:06 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (140.174.208.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 1998 23:24:06 -0000 Received: from lanfill.lanminds.com (coatppp39.lanminds.com [208.1.127.99]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA19331 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35A2AD41.1CA8@lanminds.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 16:20:33 -0700 From: Sharon Mead Reply-To: smead@LanMinds.Com Organization: ACMAD X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Old Radio Shack computers have a home! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, The Radio shack computers are no longer available. I got a call within minutes of submitting the email. I wish I'd thought of you guys months ago. Sharon From thedock@value.net Wed Jul 08 03:21:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9594 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1998 03:21:31 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 03:21:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id UAA23572; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Sharon Mead cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Old Radio Shack computers have a home! In-Reply-To: <35A2AD41.1CA8@lanminds.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Sharon Mead wrote: > The Radio shack computers are no longer available. I got a call within > minutes of submitting the email. I wish I'd thought of you guys months > ago. Sharon Yeah... no longer available from Radio Shack but several of us have units for sale. I, as Club 100, offer fully reconditioned and warrented units, but then there's the "for sale" list at the Club 100 web site -- you can pick up some good deals -- and even in your own community -- see past newsletters. So what do you need? -Rick @ Club 100- From kitefan@gmx.de Wed Jul 08 10:20:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11130 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1998 10:20:42 -0000 Received: from gmxlx2.gmx.net (qmailr@194.97.64.132) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 10:20:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 11940 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1998 10:17:16 -0000 Received: from modem-7.dvz.fh-duesseldorf.de (HELO gmx.de) (193.23.168.247) by gmxlx2.gmx.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 1998 10:17:16 -0000 Message-ID: <35A34797.B60800CE@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:19:03 +0200 From: linus pcuser Organization: private X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit subscribe From drbinns@idirect.com Sat Jul 11 07:07:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 305 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1998 07:07:43 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 07:07:43 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA19031 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-26t-10.idirect.com [209.161.225.42]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA07308 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807110704.DAA07308@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: Subject: What, no messages ??? Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:54:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has there been an interruption in message traffic for the List in the past 3 days? or, is it my ISP? Could be coincidental, but the List dried up at exactly the same time as my ISP had mailserver trouble...... -=Paul=- From thedock@value.net Sat Jul 11 15:45:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1732 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1998 15:45:57 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 15:45:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA29355 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: What, no messages ??? In-Reply-To: <199807110704.DAA07308@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > Has there been an interruption in message traffic for the List in the > past 3 days? or, is it my ISP? Could be coincidental, but the List > dried up at exactly the same time as my ISP had mailserver trouble. There are times when no one has anything to say, but then it could be the time of the year, too. Even in the old bbs days, message traffic would dry up in the summer. If you'd like to read something, I posted a new newsletter at the Club 100 web site two weeks ago. It's not much. -Rick- From bobs@netdoor.com Sat Jul 11 20:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3101 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1998 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from netdoor.com (HELO pike.netdoor.com) (root@208.137.128.6) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 20:52:14 -0000 Received: from default (port31.hat.netdoor.com [208.137.155.31]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18419 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980711154502.0073e090@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: bobs@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:45:02 +0000 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Rob Sayers Subject: cold start sorry if this is covered elseware, but how do i perform a cold start? thanks Rob From lemonman@toast.net Sat Jul 11 21:41:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3453 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1998 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 1998 21:41:51 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.186.197 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bdad14$1d65bd80$c5baf4ce@lemmo> From: "Jonathan Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: cold start Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:37:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Well, on my M100, I hold down Ctrl and Break and hit reset (on the back of the computer). HTH -Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sayers To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 4:49 PM Subject: cold start >sorry if this is covered elseware, but how do i perform a cold start? thanks > >Rob > From thedock@value.net Sun Jul 12 15:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7230 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1998 15:49:05 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1998 15:49:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA00528; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:45:21 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Rob Sayers cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: cold start In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980711154502.0073e090@mail.netdoor.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Rob Sayers wrote: > sorry if this is covered elseware, but how do i perform a cold start? > thanks Rob MODEL 100, 102, 200 COLD START A cold start may happen when you get too close to your max memory limit, or sometimes during the use of conflicting .co files, or sometimes just for the heck of it if you use your unit alot and do not keep it functioning correctly by forcing a cold start from time to time. If you turn off the switch on the bottom of the machine, and leave it off for several minutes, the result IS NOT a cold start but is a good way to keep your Model "T" functioning well. How to manually cold start a Model 100/102 (two ways) 1)Press and hold the and keys, press and hold the key located on the back edge. Release the key, then release the other two keys. 2) Turn off the unit. Press and hold the and keys, and turn it back on. How to manually cold start a Model 200 Same as #1 and #2 above. But, if you have more than one bank, you may want to cold start a particular bank. In this case, go to the bank "before" the bank you wish to cold start. Press and hold the and keys, then press your " Bank" key. This will jump you into the next bank in the series and cold start that bank. -- COLD RESTART RECOVERY by TRACY ALLEN Cold start! All your work disappears from your menu and the date reverts to 01/01/00! Don't panic. You may still be able to recover your text documents. Do _not_ start on a new text document! Immediately enter BASIC and type in the following short program: OPEN "IT" FOR OUTPUT AS 1 FOR X=????? TO HIMEM : PRINT#1,CHR$(PEEK(X)); : NEXT You should type this in without line numbers. Type in the first line, from OPEN through 1, then press ENTER. Then type in the second line all the way from the FOR through the NEXT, then press ENTER. Substitute the appropriate value for the amount of memory you have in place of the ?????. For a 32K M100/102 use ?????=32768. For a 24K M100/102 use ?????=40960. And for a T200 (in the 24K bank that is cold started!) use ?????=40960. Be very careful also to put in the colons, semicolons and parentheses where called for. After you hit ENTER, the recovery process takes __five minutes__, during which nothing seems to be happening. Wait it out. When the OK prompt reappears, tap F8 to return to the menu, and you will see the one document file "IT.DO". You can now edit "IT.DO" using TEXT. There will be junk at the beginning and at the end. The junk at the beginning is the remains of your BASIC programs (if any). You may recognize a lot of the stuff that identifies them, like prompts or DATA statements they contain. Sorry, it is generally impossible to recover BASIC programs. You use the F7 key and the cursor keys to select the junk at the beginning of the file, up to the recognizable start of your documents, and then press F6 to delete it. Now, move to the end of your recognizable text. What comes after is the remnants of your machine language programs (if any) and assorted other unrecoverable gibberish. Use F7 and the cursor keys to select that stuff, and then use F6 to eliminate it. Then copy one character from the text (F7--select any character--F5), to clear out the paste buffer. Now go back to the menu (F8). You should see IT.DO reduced in size and the FREE MEMORY increased in size (depending on how many documents vs programs and free memory you had before the cold start). Now you can go into TEXT again and either save the whole mess of documents onto a printer or tape or what have you, and/or you can cut and paste to chop the long document up into its proper pieces. Keep a copy of the above program taped to the bottom of your computer, just in case! The original version of this program was contributed by Bill Templeton. This write-up by Tracy Allen, in a Club 100 research project. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From a2k@one.net Sun Jul 12 20:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8610 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1998 20:50:11 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 1998 20:50:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id QAA30464 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:46:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:46:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: m100 BBSs? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, doesn anyone know (or can point me someplace that does) of any TRS-80 BBSi? Local to 513, 606, or 614 would be best, but any at all would help. Kevin From thedock@value.net Mon Jul 13 17:08:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14440 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1998 17:08:27 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 17:08:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA26227; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Kevin Stewart cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: m100 BBSs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Kevin Stewart wrote: > Hello, doesn anyone know (or can point me someplace that does) of any > TRS-80 BBSi? Local to 513, 606, or 614 would be best, but any at all > would help. Kevin Kevin: Club 100 has had a bbs online for Model 100s since 1983. It's still available, used daily by Model "T" users. The number is 925-939-1246. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From mwalimu@corinthian.net Mon Jul 13 21:18:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16153 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1998 21:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1998 21:18:50 -0000 Received: from default ([207.53.82.69]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA29602 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:15:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199807132115.RAA29602@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: PC8201 ROM Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:16:38 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know the details about the PC8201 option ROM? For instance, how does it get switched on? Do hooks work the same way in it as with the m100? From bassclef@netcom.ca Tue Jul 14 12:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21535 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1998 12:56:02 -0000 Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (207.181.101.69) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 1998 12:56:02 -0000 Received: from Default (lon-on1-12.netcom.ca [207.181.78.76]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA02020 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141251.IAA02020@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> X-Sender: bassclef@popd.netcom.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: m100@list.30below.com From: Jennifer Jones Subject: Re: What, no messages ??? Quoth Rick: >There are times when no one has anything to say, but then it could be the >time of the year, too. Even in the old bbs days, message traffic would >dry up in the summer. Ah yes... I remember it well. My first year as a sysop (or sysape, if you prefer) I found it kind of surprising, then I realized that I too preferred hanging out of doors with a beer and watching the world go by to BBSing. Gee. Modem play as BBSing rather than "surfing". We must be dinosaurs! *grin* Pat McNeil From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Jul 16 16:15:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9122 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1998 16:15:12 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 16:15:12 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26249 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA07295; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:04:29 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: NEC PC-8201A Support Site Update To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It has been a little while since I had time to update the site. Added today are: 1. NEC PC-8201A BASIC command reference. All the keywords explained. 2. Cross reference to M100 BASIC commands. See what the NEC shares with the M100. This is a corrected and expanded version of the document in the Club 100 library. 3. A technical explanation of the RND command in Microsoft BASICs -- what the algorithm is and how it works. I will add more info as I get the documents finished. Starting and maintaining a good tech support site is a lot of work, and I fit in NEC support where I can between work and continuing ed, etc. Please stop by and look through the info. Email comments back to me via my Freenet address. Thanks. NEC PC-8201A Support Site: "Potent Portables" http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/7071/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From zmerch@30below.com Thu Jul 16 23:52:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12617 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1998 23:52:42 -0000 Received: from ns2.30below.com (HELO www.30below.com) (12.15.88.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 1998 23:52:42 -0000 Content-Length: 725 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Sender: zmerch@www.30below.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Iceberg Computers From: Roger Merchberger To: M100 Listserv Subject: RE: NEC PC-8201A Support Site Update On 16-Jul-98 David Firth wrote: > [snip] >3. A technical explanation of the RND command in Microsoft BASICs -- > what the algorithm is and how it works. Kool... I've been looking for something like that, as I wanted to implement a random number generator in C and assembly... Now I can! Thanks! >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/7071/ I checked it out quick. It's a very good page! Thanks! Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- Roger Merchberger *** zmerch@30below.com Merch's AutoGenerated Message of Wisdom below! _/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_/\_ Those who have some means think that the most important thing in the world is love. The poor know that it is money. -- Gerald Brenan From drbinns@idirect.com Mon Jul 27 08:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 114 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1998 08:31:50 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 08:31:50 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA21084; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 04:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-20t-27.idirect.com [209.161.224.123]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id EAA25536; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 04:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807270827.EAA25536@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "Paul Binns" , Subject: Re: M200 modem Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:16:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all...... Did the Model 200 ever get outfitted with anything other than a 300bps modem? I seem to recall a comment in Email that (perhaps some) M200's were outfitted with 1200bps'ers. Second question: What is the preferred COM-program to use with the M200? I see several at the Club100 library....... X-Modem looks good. What do _you_ use?? Third questioon: I note that the M100 LED-screen speed limits downloads to 2400bps or slower on that machine. Does the same hold true of the M200? What is the optimum port speed for use with the Model 200? Not out of questions, yet, ...... ;-) -=Paul=- From a2k@one.net Mon Jul 27 12:03:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1152 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1998 12:03:32 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 12:03:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id HAA04095; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:58:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Paul Binns cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: M200 modem In-Reply-To: <199807270827.EAA25536@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > > Hello all...... > > Third questioon: I note that the M100 LED-screen speed > limits downloads to 2400bps or slower on that machine. Actually, it's an LCD screen. In the past, I HAVE gotten my m100 to go at _14.4_ baud on an external modem, but I kept losing packets. 9600 baud works fine, at least for me, in the Telcom program built in. Kevin From davidl@bigstar.com Mon Jul 27 23:45:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6718 invoked from network); 27 Jul 1998 23:45:47 -0000 Received: from bigstar.com (HELO waterfence.bigstar.com) (208.156.61.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 1998 23:45:47 -0000 Received: from BigStar.com ([10.10.10.205]) by waterfence.bigstar.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA29180 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:40:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199807271848.GVP4955@BigStar.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 6:48:17 PM Subject: Get TITANIC fro FREE X-UIDL: 870484173.548 Reply-To: davidl@bigstar.com From: davidl@bigstar.com To: m100@list.30below.com Hi, Just a quick note to tell our valued customers that for a limited time only, TITANIC is FREE at http://www.bigstar.com with any purchase. 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To unsubscribe from our list, just send a message with the word "remove" in the header to the above address ========================================== From thedock@value.net Tue Jul 28 02:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8221 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1998 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 1998 02:24:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA16130 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: M200 modem In-Reply-To: <199807270827.EAA25536@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > Did the Model 200 ever get outfitted with anything other than a 300bps > modem? I seem to recall a comment in Email that (perhaps some) M200's > were outfitted with 1200bps'ers. It came with a 300 baud pulse and tone dialing modem but external modem use is always an option. > Second question: What is the preferred COM-program to use with the > M200? I see several at the Club100 library....... X-Modem looks good. > What do _you_ use?? I keep a TS-DOS ROM in my Model 102, most of the time. If I am going to be programming, I will switch to a ROM2/Cluseau ROM and use a RAM-based DOS. If I am going to be doing writing w/printing, I will switch to either a Ultimate ROM II or Sardine ROMs -- both have drivers to load and run TS-DOS from disk. This may sound confusing but to make things simple, the TS-DOS ROM is the work horse. I use it to transfer files to disk and to other computers via DeskLink (free in the library, member uploads area). I rarely print from my 102, so that is really no big deal. > Third questioon: I note that the M100 LED-screen speed limits downloads > to 2400bps or slower on that machine. Does the same hold true of the > M200? What is the optimum port speed for use with the Model 200? There is a program in our library, if I recall correctly, that allows you to turn off the LCD during file trnasfers were the screen is included -- or at least allow for a one line display. This greatly speeds things up, but you are correct, the LCD is a 600 baud device on the Model 100 and 102 and I forget what it's rated at on the Model 200. -Rick @ Club 100- From drbinns@idirect.com Sat Aug 01 05:01:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15786 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1998 05:01:20 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1998 05:01:20 -0000 Received: from nexus.idirect.com (nexus.idirect.com [207.136.80.55]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA03410 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-47t-25.idirect.com [209.161.227.217]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA09637 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808010456.AAA09637@nexus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: Subject: Oh man! ... now what did I do ??? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:25:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I've done something really stupid, but Clueless Paul is lost once again. :( I'm using a Tandy M200 with two RAM banks. Wanting to try DSKMGR to access my PDD2 , I copied it into the second bank (which was empty) and ran it from there, following the instructions. It installed normally. After trying it out, I decided to delete the file and stick with FLOPPY for now. So, I actually did a cold boot so as to totally reset the system. MY PROBLEM: After the cold boot, my RAM banks are left with the maximum available RAM, BANK 1 - 19590 BANK 2 - 11115 Where did the 8475 bytes go? I assure you that there are no RAM files in bank2, and I have reset the system several times, even leaving it unplugged (and unbatteried) for a week. Memory power switch on the bottem on the machine hasn't helped either. Does this have anything to do with HIMEM ? I'm lost, and a bit discouraged. If anyone can help, I will be greatly indebted, yet again. -=Paul=- From drbinns@idirect.com Sun Aug 02 06:14:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23339 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1998 06:14:38 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1998 06:14:38 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29054 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-29t-29.idirect.com [209.161.225.157]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA04280 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808020609.CAA04280@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: Subject: Re: Oh man! ... now what did I do ??? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:02:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again, Lee.... Well, you know that curiousity gets the better part of valour, or wisdom, or self-planned obsolescence. In any case, I pulled the option RAM #1 board, cleaned its contacts and reinstalled it. The RAM count came back to where it should be, 19590. I'm nervous as to why this would have happened in the first place. Have you run into this kind of thing before? More selfishly, does this indicate a fault in the RAM #1 Board? Thanks so very much for your suggestion and solution. Reseating the option RAM would not have occurred to me in a 1,000 years.......... -=Paul=- ---------- > From: vlkelley@juno.com > To: drbinns@idirect.com > Subject: Re: Oh man! ... now what did I do ??? > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 6:29 PM > > Hello Paul, > > The next thing I can think of is to reseat the bank 2 ram chip. > > Lee K > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From zmalloc@usaor.net Mon Aug 03 03:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28983 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 03:26:52 -0000 Received: from gate.usaor.net (root@209.166.160.56) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 03:26:52 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (dap01-141081.cran.sgi.net [209.166.141.81]) by gate.usaor.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05805 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808030321.XAA05805@gate.usaor.net> From: "zmalloc" To: Subject: AC adapter polarity? Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:23:20 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was fortunate to find a TRS-80 Model 100 with 24K RAM today in a yard sale. Works, but no manual and AC adapter. Could some kind soul tell me whether the adapter is tip positive or tip negative? Don't want to blow the computer up. Thanks. Please reply to ZMALLOC@USAOR.NET Sorry for such a dumb elementary question. Steve From vanalst@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 03 08:39:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30322 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 08:39:56 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.15) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 08:39:56 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA23601; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:33:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sfo-ca15-13.ix.netcom.com(205.184.16.109) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023599; Mon Aug 3 03:33:48 1998 From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) To: "zmalloc" , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: AC adapter polarity? Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:45:14 GMT Message-ID: <35c97860.34801634@smtp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199808030321.XAA05805@gate.usaor.net> In-Reply-To: <199808030321.XAA05805@gate.usaor.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:23:20 -0400, you wrote: >I was fortunate to find a TRS-80 Model 100 with 24K RAM today in a yard >sale. >Works, but no manual and AC adapter. Could some kind soul tell me = whether >the >adapter is tip positive or tip negative? Don't want to blow the = computer >up. > >Thanks. > The adapter I use is 6v, 600ma, with tip (inner probe) negative. Have fun with your new machine, and don't be shy about posting here -- or on comp.sys.tandy -- if you have further questions. At your non-commercial service, Van From gehring@shaw.wave.ca Mon Aug 03 13:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31838 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 13:15:36 -0000 Received: from mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca (HELO norquay.tor.shaw.wave.ca) (24.64.63.48) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 13:15:36 -0000 Received: from gehringf.wave.shaw.ca ([24.64.181.20]) by norquay.tor.shaw.wave.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA725 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:11:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980803090432.007a7b50@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> X-Sender: gehring@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:04:32 -0400 To: m100@list.30below.com From: "Henry Gehring" Subject: Homemade Direct Connect Modem Cable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know how to make a direct connect modem cable for use with the M100? I cannot seem to find the pinouts of the modem cable so I am not able to investiage myself. I do not think there is circuitry inside the cable so if someone has it could they please take out there continuinity tester and probe the thing so it can be documented how one could be made. I would buy one, however I decided to purchase the acoutic coupler cable instead, as it is more 'orignal' of its time, but I would also like to have a direct connect model, if its buildable (free). Thanks! - Mike Gehring From lese@CapAccess.org Mon Aug 03 13:43:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32089 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 13:43:04 -0000 Received: from cap1.capaccess.org (lese@151.200.199.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 13:43:04 -0000 Received: (from lese@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA13359; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:36:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Les Elkins To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Tone dial? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I seem to recall once getting the built-in 300bps modem on the M100 to tone dial. Now that I'm getting around to the point where I could actually use this (I need to dump some text back to a machine at work), I can't for the life of me find where I found the info on how to do that. Is this possible, and could some kind soul let me know how? Many thanks, Les Elkins Les Elkins "You'd think them mules'd be empty by now." -Anonymous hiker a couple of miles from the North Kiabab trailhead on a hot June day. From goflo@pacbell.net Mon Aug 03 15:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32752 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 15:22:13 -0000 Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (206.13.28.23) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 15:22:13 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-125-78.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.125.78]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id IAA29328 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35C5D424.6F41@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:15:48 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: M100 modem cable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to "Inside the Model 100", by Oppedahl, the modem cable (26-1410) pin-out is: 1) TL Green to phone instrument 2) GND Ground reference 3) RXMD Red from phone line ("ring" signal), also goes to phone instrument 4) RXMe From coupler ear-piece 5) TXMe To coupler mouthpiece 6) VDD +5V for coupler amp 7) TXMD Green from phone line ("tip" signal) 8) RP Ring pulse signal This seems straightforward except for pin 8 - Grounding pin 8 signals an incoming call, & allows an autoanswer capability. Some external circuitry required. In your app as described no connection required. Jack Henry Gehring wrote: > Does anyone know how to make a direct connect modem cable for use with the > M100? I cannot seem to find the pinouts of the modem cable so I am not able > to investiage myself. From a2k@one.net Mon Aug 03 19:23:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1729 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 19:23:19 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 19:23:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id PAA25571; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:17:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:17:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Les Elkins cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tone dial? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Hello, > > I seem to recall once getting the built-in 300bps modem on the M100 to > tone dial. Well, I always used a hayes-compatible modem, and set the term program to use the RS-232 port... then used at commands, i.e.: AT OK ATDT1234567 Just make sure to keep the port at 9600 baud or less.. 9600+ starts to lose data.. Hope this is what you were looking for, Kevin From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Aug 03 19:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1957 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 19:34:06 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 19:34:06 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:35:19 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Les Elkins Subject: Re: Tone dial? From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980803.113519.3k0.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:35:19 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, lese@CapAccess.org writes: > I seem to recall once getting the built-in 300bps modem on the M100 to > tone dial. Now that I'm getting around to the point where I could > actually use this (I need to dump some text back to a machine at work), I > can't for the life of me find where I found the info on how to do that. > Is this possible, and could some kind soul let me know how? Sorry, but the modem chip in the 100 and 102 *cannot* dial at all. The 100 does the pulse dialing by using the cassette relay to short the tip and ring lines together in the proper pattern (which is essentially how pulse dialing works on any phone). -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Aug 03 19:34:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1984 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1998 19:34:09 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (root@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 19:34:09 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:17:42 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: goflo@pacbell.net Subject: Re: M100 modem cable From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980803.111742.9b6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:17:42 PST In-Reply-To: <35C5D424.6F41@pacbell.net> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, goflo@pacbell.net writes: > According to "Inside the Model 100", by Oppedahl, the modem cable > (26-1410) > pin-out is: > > 1) TL Green to phone instrument > 2) GND Ground reference > 3) RXMD Red from phone line ("ring" signal), also goes to phone > instrument > 4) RXMe From coupler ear-piece > 5) TXMe To coupler mouthpiece > 6) VDD +5V for coupler amp > 7) TXMD Green from phone line ("tip" signal) > 8) RP Ring pulse signal > > This seems straightforward except for pin 8 - Grounding pin 8 signals an > incoming call, & allows an autoanswer capability. Some external > circuitry required. In your app as described no connection required. BTW, the "ring" in "tip & ring" has nothing to do with the "ring signal". It's terminology from the old days of manual switchboards. "Tip" was the tip of the jack the operator plugged in. "Ring" was the "ring" around it. For the desired application of "direct connect cable", all that is needed are pins 3 and 7 which should run to the middle two pins on the modular plug. Pinout for the RJ11/RJ14 plug ----------------------------- ---------- -------------------------- 1 |-- | 6 |------------ | 2 |-- --- 5 |------------ | 3 |-- | 4 |------------ | 4 |-- | 3 |------------ | 5 |-- --- 2 |------------ | 6 |-- | 1 |------------ | ---------- -------------------------- END TOP Pin function M100 jack --- -------------------- --------------- 1 not connected 2 line 2 ring (black) 3 line 1 ring (red) 3 RXMD 4 line 1 tip (green) 7 TXMD 5 line 2 tip (yellow) 6 not connected So only pins 3 &4 are needed. If you want to add the second cable & jack so you can use the 100 as an autodialer, wire the second plug like this: Pin function M100 jack --- -------------------- --------------- 1 not connected 2 line 2 ring (black) 3 line 1 ring (red) 3 RXMD 4 line 1 tip (green) 1 TL 5 line 2 tip (yellow) 6 not connected I recommend either not even connecting the yellow and black wires at either end *or* making sure that they connect properly inside the plug for the model 100. And that they are well insulated also! Safety tip. If you have a Radio Shack direct connect cable, open up the plug that goes into the 100 (easily done with a small screwdriver and a bit of patience) and trim the yellow and black wires back to the cable sheathing. RS left way too much exposed wiring and they could short against other wires, which will cause real problems if you are using the cable on a phone system that uses those wires for anything. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From thedock@value.net Thu Aug 06 11:50:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28768 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1998 11:50:02 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 11:50:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id EAA17635; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Paul Binns cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Oh man! ... now what did I do ??? In-Reply-To: <199808020609.CAA04280@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Paul ... Lee's suggestion would have been mine, as well. Sorry I wasn't around to answer your original question -- been out of town. Why did this happen? The same thing happends around the Club 100 shop and is one of the things we check during our extensive reconditioning process. It's all part of the game and yet another reason you always want to make sure your files are stored on media. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > Hello again, Lee.... > > Well, you know that curiousity gets the better part of valour, > or wisdom, or self-planned obsolescence. > > In any case, I pulled the option RAM #1 board, cleaned its > contacts and reinstalled it. The RAM count came back to > where it should be, 19590. > > I'm nervous as to why this would have happened in the > first place. Have you run into this kind of thing before? More > selfishly, does this indicate a fault in the RAM #1 Board? > > Thanks so very much for your suggestion and solution. > Reseating the option RAM would not have occurred to me > in a 1,000 years.......... > > -=Paul=- > > ---------- > > From: vlkelley@juno.com > > To: drbinns@idirect.com > > Subject: Re: Oh man! ... now what did I do ??? > > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 6:29 PM > > > > Hello Paul, > > > > The next thing I can think of is to reseat the bank 2 ram chip. > > > > Lee K > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From thedock@value.net Thu Aug 06 12:28:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29048 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1998 12:28:07 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 12:28:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id FAA20057; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Henry Gehring cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Homemade Direct Connect Modem Cable In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980803090432.007a7b50@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Henry Gehring wrote: > Does anyone know how to make a direct connect modem cable for use with > the M100? I cannot seem to find the pinouts of the modem cable so I am > not able to investiage myself. I do not think there is circuitry inside > the cable so if someone has it could they please take out there > continuinity tester and probe the thing so it can be documented how one > could be made. They are easy to make "if" you can get the correct DIN connector. Here are the instructions: Phone Modem Cable Wiring This is the view of the back of the connector that plugs into the phone port on a Model 100, 102 or 200--where you re-solder the wires after ripping them out of their sockets!! Obviously, this is the weak point in the system. Note: You can actually swap the red and green--it will work either way. o o---green red---o o o o o o When you look at the end of the RJ-11 plug (the end that goes into the wall), the order of colors are: [Yellow] [Green] [Red] [Blue] FYI: Club 100 offers both new style and old style phone/modem cables. The old style has two leads (one for the modem and one for a phone) whereas the new style as only one (for the modem). We manufacture the new cables and thus they are always available at moments notice. Old style cables are available only if we have some in the warehouse. In either case, phone/modem cables are available for $10.00 plus shipping. We offer a 20% price break at 20 units or more. Club 100 also offers totally reconditioned Model 100s and 102s for resale to interested parties, journalist organizations, research firms and industry. Call for price and availability. Quantity orders welcome. Do you have our catalog? Provide a snail mail address for a free catalog. Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O.. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Thu Aug 06 12:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29244 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1998 12:39:51 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 12:39:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id FAA20962; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Les Elkins cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tone dial? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Les Elkins wrote: > Hello, I seem to recall once getting the built-in 300bps modem on the > M100 to tone dial. Now that I'm getting around to the point where I > could actually use this (I need to dump some text back to a machine at > work), I can't for the life of me find where I found the info on how to > do that. Is this possible, and could some kind soul let me know how? > Many thanks, Les Elkins The Model 100 and 102's built in modem is a pulse dialing modem, not "tone" dialing. However, you can easily connect an external modem, such as an old 1200 baud modem to the com port, set your stat to 58n1e, go into term and you'll be talking to a tone dialing modem. You can test the connection to the modem by sending an AT ... you'll get an OK back. To dial do a ATDTnumber (where number is the entire phone number of the modem you wish to call). The external modem will "tone dial" the number, using its built in tone dialing circuit. FYI: If anyone would like to set up their own BBS, using a simple PC, you will find a file named PCP2-ARC.EXE in the Club 100 library, member uploads category. This is the old version of Procomm Plus. Run it, put in into Answer mode, and you have a simple BBS that works well with the Model 100. Complete docs are included in the archive. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From pevinet@total.net Thu Aug 06 14:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30178 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1998 14:11:29 -0000 Received: from pablo.total.net (205.236.175.128) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 14:11:29 -0000 Received: from default (ppp-annex-0244.tor.total.net [205.236.84.54]) by pablo.total.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24406 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007301bdc142$bcce9760$3654eccd@default> Reply-To: "Peter Vinet" From: "Peter Vinet" To: Subject: test, don't read Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:01:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 From pevinet@total.net Thu Aug 06 14:17:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30361 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1998 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from pablo.total.net (205.236.175.128) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1998 14:17:17 -0000 Received: from default (ppp-annex-0244.tor.total.net [205.236.84.54]) by pablo.total.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25371 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007b01bdc143$8c22c360$3654eccd@default> Reply-To: "Peter Vinet" From: "Peter Vinet" To: "Tandygroup" Subject: correct address? Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:07:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hi Is this the correct address for sending post to the group?: m100@list.30below.com The reason I ask is that when I sent a test post, it was delivered, but I also got a returned mail notice. Peter From oajones@bright.net Fri Aug 07 04:07:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5583 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1998 04:07:48 -0000 Received: from sparticus.bright.net (205.212.123.14) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1998 04:07:48 -0000 Received: from default (wav1-cs-3.dial.bright.net [205.212.155.4]) by sparticus.bright.net (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.FNG_Build) with SMTP id AAA26269; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CA7BAB.12E9@bright.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:59:39 -0400 From: oajones Reply-To: oajones@bright.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Vinet CC: Tandygroup Subject: Re: correct address? References: <007b01bdc143$8c22c360$3654eccd@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Vinet wrote: > > Hi > Is this the correct address for sending post to the group?: > m100@list.30below.com > > The reason I ask is that when I sent a test post, it was delivered, but I > also got a returned mail notice. > > Peter You are correct! --Alan From drbinns@idirect.com Fri Aug 07 05:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6421 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1998 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1998 05:55:18 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA17201; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-37t-1.idirect.com [209.161.226.129]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA06868; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808070549.BAA06868@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "Peter Vinet" , "Tandygroup" Subject: Re: correct address? Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:54:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This happens all the time, as do duplicate messages (much of the time). Perhaps when you get the "bounced message" notification, only one message is getting through. ;-) Just a minor inconvenience when balanced against the invaluable information shared here. -=Paul=- ---------- > From: Peter Vinet > To: Tandygroup > Subject: correct address? > Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 10:07 AM > > Hi > Is this the correct address for sending post to the group?: > m100@list.30below.com > > The reason I ask is that when I sent a test post, it was delivered, but I > also got a returned mail notice. > > Peter From drbinns@idirect.com Fri Aug 07 06:59:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6959 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1998 06:59:28 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1998 06:59:28 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA21730 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-37t-1.idirect.com [209.161.226.129]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA15143 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808070653.CAA15143@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: Subject: Re: correct address? Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:58:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This happens all the time, as do duplicate messages (much of the time). Perhaps when you get the "bounced message" notification, only one message is getting through. ;-) Just a minor inconvenience when balanced against the invaluable information shared here. -=Paul=- > ---------- > > From: Peter Vinet > > To: Tandygroup > > Subject: correct address? > > Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 10:07 AM > > > > Hi > > Is this the correct address for sending post to the group?: > > m100@list.30below.com > > > > The reason I ask is that when I sent a test post, it was delivered, but I > > also got a returned mail notice. > > > > Peter From pevinet@total.net Mon Aug 10 14:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31695 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1998 14:51:48 -0000 Received: from pablo.total.net (205.236.175.128) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1998 14:51:48 -0000 Received: from default (ppp-annex-0142.tor.accent.net [205.205.157.196]) by pablo.total.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13662 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004c01bdc46c$faca0ea0$549dcdcd@default> Reply-To: "Peter Vinet" From: "Peter Vinet" To: "Tandygroup" Subject: vtemul100 anyone used it? Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:41:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hi. Does anyone have any experience with VTemul100 ? I've got it set up and I'm trying to use it to connect to a local freenet. Without vtemul100, I'm able to barely read the screens, so I know I'm connecting ok, but when I try to use vtemul100, I'm not able to move around to the different parts of the vt100 screen (which is supposed to be broken up into 6 navigatable screens of the 102). Thanks for any help. Peter From bobs@netdoor.com Mon Aug 10 21:09:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2368 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1998 21:09:03 -0000 Received: from netdoor.com (root@208.137.128.6) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1998 21:09:03 -0000 Received: from default (port579.hat.netdoor.com [208.148.200.179]) by netdoor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15960 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:02:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980810155931.00720c0c@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: bobs@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:59:31 +0000 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Rob Sayers Subject: Re: vtemul100 anyone used it? Load the .co file, dial up like normal, then hit F6 to activate, some systems have problems with you moving around the screen in certain input modes, so you should pause (control s), move around and read, then go back to where you were when you started and hit control q to unpause the screen At 10:41 AM 8/10/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi. >Does anyone have any experience with VTemul100 ? I've got it set up and I'm >trying to use it to connect to a local freenet. Without vtemul100, I'm able >to barely read the screens, so I know I'm connecting ok, but when I try to >use vtemul100, I'm not able to move around to the different parts of the >vt100 screen (which is supposed to be broken up into 6 navigatable screens >of the 102). >Thanks for any help. >Peter > > Rob 'Balaam' Sayers (bobs@netdoor.com) From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Tue Aug 11 04:21:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6850 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1998 04:21:22 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (j8+RvNjMeb5qgXYPUCSCEHoBq5c13MKr@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 04:21:22 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:54:55 PST To: jan80@tornado.be (Jan Vanden Bossche) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980810.145455.4G8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:54:55 PST In-Reply-To: <199808101737.TAA06966@tornado.be> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, jan80@tornado.be writes: > start: > ~~~~~~~~ > This list of Tandy computers is probably not complete, but as > complete as possible. If you know something I don't, please let > me know. Attention, this list covers continental Europe, unless > noted otherwise. > > The original TRS-80 line > > TRS-80 model I (Z-80) > TRS-80 model III > TRS-80 model 4 (Z-80A) > TRS-80 model 4P > TRS-80 model 4D (only in the states) > > The 'professional' line > > TRS-80 model II (Z-80) > TRS-80 model 16 (68000) > TRS-80 model 12 (Z-80A to 68000 upgradable) > TRS-80 model 16B (68000+HD) > TRS-80 model 6000 (68000 MT/MU Xenix) > > The color computers > > Tandy Color Computer (6809) > Tandy Color Computer II > Tandy Color Computer III (only in the states) > > The mini-color computer > > Tandy MC-10 (ZX-81 concurrent, no CPU info) It used a 6803 CPU, and was somewhat compatible with the Color Computer. The BASIC *language* was much the same, but the *tokens* were different. You could save a BASIC program to cassette with the A switch (ASCII) and transfer it between a CoCo and an MC-10 (aka Micro Color Computer) > The first laptops > > TRS-80 model 100 (8085 8x40) > Tandy 200 (16x40) > Tandy 102 (8x40) > Tandy 600 (only in the states) The 600 used and 8088 or 8086, and had an early version of Microsoft Works as the "OS". BASIC was only available as a add-on ROM that cost something like $150 or more. So the 600 was *not* part of the family. More like a "poor relation" of the PC line. > The MS-DOS-line > > TRS-80 model 2000 (80186) The 2000 was not BIOS level compatible (unlike the systems below). Understandable enough since at the time Phoenix hadn't come out with a legal PC clone bios yet, and it was far from clear that anyting more than DOS level compatiblity was needed. The 2000 wasn't even *close* to hardware compatible. But the hardware was generally superior to what you could get for the PC at the time. > PC-jr.-compatibles (+/-XT) > > Tandy 1000 (8088) > Tandy 1000A > Tandy 1000 sx > Tandy 1000 ex > Tandy 1000 tx (80286) > Tandy 1000 hx > Tandy 1000 sl (8086) > Tandy 1000 tl (80286) > Tandy 1000 sl/2 (8086+IDE) > Tandy 1000 tl/2 (80286+IDE) Tandy 1000 SL/3 Tandy 1000 TL/3 The TL/3 was 10 Mhz rather than the 8MHz of the TL/2. It also had a ps/2 mouse port and a "standard" PC printer port. I suspect that the SL/3 was much the same except for the difference in CPU. Note that the "IDE" on all of the above was XT-IDE (8-bit) rather than the AT-IDE (16-bit) that everyone thinks of when you say "IDE". There was also a 1000 RL and/or RLX. These had 386 CPUs, and EGA or VGA graphics. > Real IBM-compatibles > > Tandy 3000 HD (AT 286) > Tandy 3000 HL (XT/286) > Tandy 3000 NL (AT) I think the HL was AT also. And one notable feature of the 3000 line was that they had 10-12 card slots! I'm trying to get one going so I can hook a bunch of older peripherals that require their own adapter cards up to my LAN. I'll also be sticking in a bunch of memory cards too. :-) -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Tue Aug 11 04:21:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6876 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1998 04:21:25 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (kJ4PvzwValVeV0cA+PMHa6RwKM+FyUDJ@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 04:21:25 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:10:15 PST To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980810.111418.2w7.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:14:18 PST In-Reply-To: <002101bdc3eb$b63e29a0$d51946cf@pchut> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, jeremyf@micron.net writes: > This may seem like a stupid question, but I have hardly ever used the > Tandy TRS-80 models 100, 102, and 200 before, so here's my question: > are those Tandy models compatible with the software for the other > TRS-80 models? Not terribly. They are a lot *more* compatible with GWBASIC for the PC. But even then there are features that don't match. For one, the 100/102/200 all have *interrupt driven* serial available in BASIC. And have similar interrupt driven commands for other forms of imput. Here's an old file of mine listing the undocumented features of M100 BASIC. Eventually, I may sit down and write a "manual" for all the commands. -------------UNDOC.BAS---------------- The following are a few undocumented features of M100 BASIC. Many of these have been discovered thanks the NEC 8201 BASIC manual. ERROR ERRORx is normal format. But ERROR(x) will also work. (mainly of interest for converting programs from other Microsoft BASICs) IF GOTO may be used instead of THEN. This even works in the form IF ... GOTO ... ELSE ... IPL the IPL program is run when you turn on the computer *if* you were in one of the following when you turned off the machine: BASIC (but not while a program is running), TEXT (any .DO file) ADDRSS, SCHEDL, some .CO files. Note: you must give the FULL name of the file to run. LET useful only for compatibility with older BASICs. Unlike some BASICs, use of LET does *not* speed up the operation. Syntax: LET variable = formula LET variable = constant ON COM GOSUB if ON MDM GOSUB is also being used please note that *both* store the line # in the same memory location. Thus they *must* use the same routine. This also means that you only need use one or the other, not both. PEEK addresses above 32767 may be specified 2 different ways: a single precision number 32768 to 65535 an integer -32768 to -1 POKE addresses may be specified as for PEEK PRESET an extra argument can be placed in the () PRESET(x,y,c) where even values of c are black, odd values are white. PSET an extra argument can be placed in the () PSET(x,y,c) where even values of c are white, odd values are black. REM REM uses one byte of memory. ' uses *three*! (it is stored as a :, a REM token and a chr$(255)) RND if you use a negative number as the argument (ie RND(x) where x is less than 0) you will "re-seed" the random number generator. The same sequence will always follow a given negative number, but different numbers give different sequences. SCREEN syntax is SCREEN display,label *OR* SCREEN,label (the latter is not documented in the manual but works, is shorter, and avoids causing problems for those of us with DVI's) display 0 = LCD, 1 = CRT (DVI display) label 0 = label line off, 1 = label line on SOUND the NEC manual says that 5586 produces a 440 Hz tone. Working from this we can derive the following formula for the output frequency of the SOUND command: freq = 2457600/tone argument tone arg = 2457600/freq (2457600 being the clock frequency of the 100/102 & NEC) NEC sound value chart octave +------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | note | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | +------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ | C | - | 9394 | 4697 | 2348 | 1171?| 587 | | C# | - | 8866 | 4433 | 2216 | 1103?| 554 | | D | - | 8368 | 4184 | 2092 | 1045?| 523 | | D# | 15800 | 7900 | 3950 | 1975 | 987 | 493 | | E | 14912 | 7456 | 3728 | 1864 | 932 | 466 | | F | 14064 | 7032 | 3516 | 1758 | 879 | 439 | | F# | 13284 | 6642 | 3321 | 1660 | 830 | 415 | | G | 12538 | 6269 | 3134 | 1567 | 783 | - | | G# | 11836 | 5918 | 2954 | 1479 | 733?| - | | A | 11172 | 5586*| 2793 | 1396 | 693?| - | | A# | 10544 | 5272 | 2636 | 1316?| 653?| - | | B | 9952 | 4968?| 2486?| 1244 | 622 | - | +------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ * 440 Hz ? differs from value in M100 manual VARPTR VARPTR(#x) will return the address of file buffer #x -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From thedock@value.net Tue Aug 11 04:41:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7262 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1998 04:41:49 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 04:41:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id VAA19804; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Leonard Erickson cc: Jan Vanden Bossche , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility In-Reply-To: <980810.145455.4G8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I generally concure with both Jan and Leonard. I think you stated it well. I do, however, recall a CP1 and CP2 or something like that that predated the Model 100 (circa late 70s). Example: I recall that pilots liked it for calculating things having to do with flight. -Rick @ Club 100- From a2k@one.net Wed Aug 12 01:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17143 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1998 01:54:21 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 01:54:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id VAA00198; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:48:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Leonard Erickson cc: Jan Vanden Bossche , m100@list.30below.com Subject: TRS-80 m6000 wanted In-Reply-To: <980810.145455.4G8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I know that this is the m100 list, but if anyone is selling a TRS-80 6000 (Xenix or whatever flavour of UNIX it was) I am interested in purchasing one. Thank you, Kevin From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Wed Aug 12 02:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18094 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1998 02:54:57 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (jYiftEADo+8QOnvyDBPYLoNzO73zyual@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 02:54:57 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:17:49 PST To: jan80@tornado.be (Jan Vanden Bossche) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980811.191749.8y7.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:17:49 PST In-Reply-To: <199808112245.AAA09431@tornado.be> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, jan80@tornado.be writes: >> From: Leonard Erickson >> In mail, jan80@tornado.be writes: >> > This list of Tandy computers is probably not complete, but as >> > complete as possible. If you know something I don't, please let >> > me know. > > Pay attention :) See below. > >> > Attention, this list covers continental Europe, unless >> > noted otherwise. > >> > The mini-color computer >> > >> > Tandy MC-10 (ZX-81 concurrent, no CPU info) >> >> It used a 6803 CPU, and was somewhat compatible with the Color >> Computer. The BASIC *language* was much the same, but the *tokens* were >> different. You could save a BASIC program to cassette with the A switch >> (ASCII) and transfer it between a CoCo and an MC-10 (aka Micro Color >> Computer) > > Thanks. But they are VERY rare over here, because too expensive compared to > C=64 and other ZX-Spectrum. Want one? I only have 3. They run about $5 at flea markets around here. I don't know what shipping would be. >> Note that the "IDE" on all of the above was XT-IDE (8-bit) rather than >> the AT-IDE (16-bit) that everyone thinks of when you say "IDE". > > Included on the mother board for the TL/2, but as an add-on (WD ?) card in > the SL/2. It was motherboard on the TL/3. I don't know about the SL/3. >> I'll also be sticking in a bunch of memory cards >> too. :-) > > I have an AST RAMvantage-card, but can't find the jumper settings or the > EMM-driver. Anybody ? AST has a web site. It's just a bit hard to locate. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From jan80@tornado.be Wed Aug 12 21:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25998 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1998 21:53:44 -0000 Received: from mail2.tornado.be (HELO tornado.be) (194.149.80.18) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 21:53:44 -0000 Received: from news.tornado.be.tornado.be (port11.aarschot2.tornado.be [195.140.9.11]) by tornado.be (8.8.8/8.8.5001) with ESMTP id XAA23936; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:55:10 +0200 Message-Id: <199808122155.XAA23936@tornado.be> From: "Jan Vanden Bossche" To: "Leonard Erickson" Cc: Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:17:45 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > From: Leonard Erickson > To: Jan Vanden Bossche > Cc: m100@list.30below.com > Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:17 AM > > In mail, jan80@tornado.be writes: > >> > Tandy MC-10 (ZX-81 concurrent, no CPU info) > > Thanks. But they are VERY rare over here, because too expensive compared to > > C=64 and other ZX-Spectrum. > > Want one? I only have 3. They run about $5 at flea markets around here. > I don't know what shipping would be. Could you find out, and get back to me ? There are a few problems of course: alimentation is 230V/50Hz over here and we use PAL/SECAM as television standard. Could your american computer adapt to that ? > > I have an AST RAMvantage-card, but can't find the jumper settings or the > > EMM-driver. Anybody ? > > AST has a web site. It's just a bit hard to locate. I found it, but it says nothin' about no memery cards, sir. > Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus Jan-80 From jan80@tornado.be Wed Aug 12 21:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26004 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1998 21:53:46 -0000 Received: from mail2.tornado.be (HELO tornado.be) (194.149.80.18) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 21:53:46 -0000 Received: from news.tornado.be.tornado.be (port11.aarschot2.tornado.be [195.140.9.11]) by tornado.be (8.8.8/8.8.5001) with ESMTP id XAA23927; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:55:03 +0200 Message-Id: <199808122155.XAA23927@tornado.be> From: "Jan Vanden Bossche" To: "Kevin Stewart" , "Leonard Erickson" Cc: Subject: Re: TRS-80 m6000 wanted Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:56:12 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > Hello, I know that this is the m100 list, Hey, how did I get onto that one ? Great :) > but if anyone is selling a > TRS-80 6000 (Xenix or whatever flavour of UNIX it was) I am interested in > purchasing one. So am I, but they are VERY hard to find in Belgium :( It ran MS Xenix. > > Thank you, > Kevin From a2k@one.net Wed Aug 12 22:26:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26573 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1998 22:26:45 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1998 22:26:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id SAA03860; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:20:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:20:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Jan Vanden Bossche cc: Leonard Erickson , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility In-Reply-To: <199808122155.XAA23936@tornado.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > There are a few problems of > course: alimentation is 230V/50Hz over here and we use PAL/SECAM as > television standard. Could your american computer adapt to that ? If the american computer will accept 50-60hz, I could build you a small adapter (mostly a transformer and a few resistors and caps) as long as the computer withh take 50-60. if it's only 60 then it's a lot harder to do. Kevin From Mrum@1st.net Thu Aug 13 00:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27707 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1998 00:08:21 -0000 Received: from 1st.net (HELO mail.1st.net) (209.240.0.3) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 00:08:21 -0000 Received: from tri-gem [209.240.6.193] by mail.1st.net (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACA52CD503EA; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:00:37 EDT Message-ID: <35D22CB1.3452@1st.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:00:49 -0400 From: Marion Ruminski X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: M100 to mac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone recommendation on interfacing a Model 100 to a Mac? I have a PowerMac G3 at work and want to use my M100 to input straight text files into the Mac. There is a modem port on the back. Could I just use a null modem cable between the two and use a telcom program on both to transfer the files? Marion From a2k@one.net Thu Aug 13 02:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28955 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1998 02:01:09 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 02:01:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id VAA11394; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:54:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Marion Ruminski cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: M100 to mac In-Reply-To: <35D22CB1.3452@1st.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Marion Ruminski wrote: > Anyone recommendation on interfacing a Model 100 to a Mac? I have a > PowerMac G3 at work and want to use my M100 to input straight text files > into the Mac. There is a modem port on the back. Could I just use a null > modem cable between the two and use a telcom program on both to transfer > the files? > Marion > Yes, you'll need: Null modem and DB-25 cable or DB-25 null modem cable adapter to go from DB-25 to din connector on macintosh (modem port) comms software connect the null modem to the m100 (RS232c port)the cable to the modem, the adaptor to the cable, the adaptor to the mac. start the comms program on the mac (set it for 9600 baud or less, 8N1) and set the m100 to use external modem 9600 8N1. you can now receive and transmit ASCII files. use an xmodem program if you want to transfer binaries. Kevin From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu Aug 13 12:14:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31878 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1998 12:14:51 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (BDpsvLDl6WPoOM5ehTzNdTatD7DaChyF@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 12:14:51 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:46:23 PST To: jan80@tornado.be (Jan Vanden Bossche) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980813.024623.4Z0.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:46:23 PST In-Reply-To: <199808122155.XAA23936@tornado.be> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, jan80@tornado.be writes: >> From: Leonard Erickson >> To: Jan Vanden Bossche >> Cc: m100@list.30below.com >> Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility >> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:17 AM >> >> In mail, jan80@tornado.be writes: > >> >> > Tandy MC-10 (ZX-81 concurrent, no CPU info) > >> > Thanks. But they are VERY rare over here, because too expensive > compared to >> > C=64 and other ZX-Spectrum. >> >> Want one? I only have 3. They run about $5 at flea markets around here. >> I don't know what shipping would be. > > Could you find out, and get back to me ? There are a few problems of > course: alimentation is 230V/50Hz over here and we use PAL/SECAM as > television standard. Could your american computer adapt to that ? The power isn't a problem as the MC-10 uses a "brick" type power pack. It wants 8V *AC*, 60 Hz, 1.5 amp. I suspect that 50 Hz would work. The video is major problem that I'd forgotten about. It's RF, selectable between our channels 3 & 4. I remember checking the schematics a long time back and there is a point where you can tap off the NTSC video, but that wouldn't do you any good anyway. >> > I have an AST RAMvantage-card, but can't find the jumper settings or > the >> > EMM-driver. Anybody ? >> >> AST has a web site. It's just a bit hard to locate. > > I found it, but it says nothin' about no memery cards, sir. It's buried in there somewhere... -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu Aug 13 12:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31903 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1998 12:14:55 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (HffpnJEqRPFcbgXtlipKPF2mxaZGu7wr@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 12:14:54 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:06:45 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Kevin Stewart Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980813.030645.8i0.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:06:45 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, a2k@one.net writes: >> There are a few problems of >> course: alimentation is 230V/50Hz over here and we use PAL/SECAM as >> television standard. Could your american computer adapt to that ? > > If the american computer will accept 50-60hz, I could build you a small > adapter (mostly a transformer and a few resistors and caps) as long as the > computer withh take 50-60. if it's only 60 then it's a lot harder to do. I just checked the schematic. An external power pack feeds 8v AC to the computer. Inside it goes thru a bridge rectifier and some additinal diodes and capacitors for filtering and the like. So I don't see 50 Hz being a problem. It's the video that's a killer. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com Thu Aug 13 22:52:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4570 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1998 22:52:22 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1998 22:52:22 -0000 Received: from snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com (snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com [16.172.128.251]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id SAA24167 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:46:00 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harry Woodward-Clarke To: "'m100 Listserver'" Subject: RE: MC-10 & video (was TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibi lity) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:45:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Shadow wrote... >>It's the video that's a killer. regarding the NSTC output from the MC10. In these days of 'international peace and harmony', it would probably be quite easy to pick up a small (30cm, 35cm) Colour TV with multiple inputs - including NTSC. I know that AKAI have several models here in Australia, as well as VCR's that playback NTSC (even though Oz - and NZ - are PAL-D). My guess is that Kevin (a2k) should be able to pick up one relatively cheap in Europe - perhaps even second hand. Hope this helps, Harry (in Oz) From a2k@one.net Fri Aug 14 01:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6492 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1998 01:59:47 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 01:59:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id VAA13804; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:53:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Leonard Erickson cc: Jan Vanden Bossche , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility In-Reply-To: <980813.024623.4Z0.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > The power isn't a problem as the MC-10 uses a "brick" type power pack. > It wants 8V *AC*, 60 Hz, 1.5 amp. I suspect that 50 Hz would work. I'll see what I can do. I won't have time until this weekend (13 hours a day go to marching band, the rest sleep). Hopefully I won't have to wind my own transformer, but I'll look and see if I can find a 220-8V transformer. Kevin From a2k@one.net Fri Aug 14 02:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6646 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1998 02:03:26 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 02:03:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id VAA13983; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:57:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Harry Woodward-Clarke cc: "'m100 Listserver'" Subject: RE: MC-10 & video (was TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibi lity) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > ............... My > guess is that Kevin (a2k) should be able to pick up one relatively cheap in > Europe - perhaps even second hand. > Nope, I'm the one building the power supply - I'm in the states :) Kevin From jan80@tornado.be Fri Aug 14 13:32:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11305 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1998 13:32:32 -0000 Received: from mail2.tornado.be (HELO tornado.be) (194.149.80.18) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 13:32:32 -0000 Received: from news.tornado.be.tornado.be ([195.140.9.31]) by tornado.be (8.8.8/8.8.5001) with ESMTP id PAA12580; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:33:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199808141333.PAA12580@tornado.be> From: "Jan Vanden Bossche" To: "Kevin Stewart" , "Leonard Erickson" Cc: Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:17:33 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Say, if you are doing this for me, don't. I'm not that desperate to find a MC-10. I will, someday. A European version. So, no problem, not for me. Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus Jan-80 ---------- > From: Kevin Stewart > To: Leonard Erickson > Cc: Jan Vanden Bossche ; m100@list.30below.com > Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility > Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 3:53 AM > > > The power isn't a problem as the MC-10 uses a "brick" type power pack. > > It wants 8V *AC*, 60 Hz, 1.5 amp. I suspect that 50 Hz would work. > > I'll see what I can do. I won't have time until this weekend (13 hours a > day go to marching band, the rest sleep). Hopefully I won't have to wind > my own transformer, but I'll look and see if I can find a 220-8V > transformer. > > Kevin From thedock@value.net Fri Aug 14 15:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12126 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1998 15:03:30 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 15:03:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA17061 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: To: All Subject: Updates... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FYI: Some new items were posted at the Club 100 web site. - newsletter edition as of 14-aug-98 - a story with 35 pictures of how we recondition model 100s - a story with 4 pictures of the Club 100 computer lab At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From bassclef@netcom.ca Fri Aug 14 23:08:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16317 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1998 23:08:54 -0000 Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (207.181.101.69) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 23:08:54 -0000 Received: from Default (lon-on4-33.netcom.ca [207.181.78.225]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA27374 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808142302.TAA27374@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> X-Sender: bassclef@popd.netcom.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: m100@list.30below.com From: Jennifer Jones Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility > >Hi, > >Say, if you are doing this for me, don't. I'm not that desperate to find a >MC-10. I will, someday. A European version. So, no problem, not for me. > Hey Jan : There was a MC clone sold in france, I think under the name Matra-Hachette. There's a french classic computer website that has info on this machine, with some pictures. Aparently they came in _red_ cases! Far out! The webpage author mentioned that later issues were the same white plastic as the north american MC-10's. "..et donc beaucoup plus sobre." Can't recall the URL, but a yahoo search for MC-10 and Matra should do it. Happy hunting, Pat McNeil From sinasohn@ricochet.net Fri Aug 14 23:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16796 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1998 23:53:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1998 23:53:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w999999.longs.com ([10.24.52.162]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAA89A2 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:36:38 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980814152212.5eaffcc2@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: TRS-80 models 100, etc. software compatibility Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 8/10/98 PST, you wrote: >> This list of Tandy computers is probably not complete, but as >> complete as possible. If you know something I don't, please let >> me know. Attention, this list covers continental Europe, unless >> noted otherwise. Add the PC-1, PC-2, etc. line of Pocket Computers. Also, the WP-2 should be in there somewhere. From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 15 07:29:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19897 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1998 07:29:50 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1998 07:29:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id AAA12018 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: To: All Subject: The Whole Enchilada Online!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well... to day was the day. I finally finished step 1 for getting The Whole Enchilada series out of Microsoft Word and onto the web site. Granted, it has errors, so each file has a temporary announcement to that effect. If anyone would like to take any one file (one file at a time) and detail it to the hilt, let me know. I am shunting all NEC PC-8201A stuff over to David Firth's dedicated PC-8201A site, since he's the leader in that area, now. I'm open to comments, and again, if anyone wants to take on developing out and detailing up any of the components of TWE let me know. Also, since it's modularized, now, we can add specific areas not already covered. FYI: Getting TWE on the web was one of my new years resolutions. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From jh@grex.cyberspace.org Sat Aug 15 17:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23753 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1998 17:56:31 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (jh@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1998 17:56:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (jh@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA01609; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:50:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Uncle John To: thedock@value.net cc: All Subject: Re: The Whole Enchilada Online!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 thedock@value.net wrote: > Well... to day was the day. I finally finished step 1 for getting The > Whole Enchilada series out of Microsoft Word and onto the web site. Yippee!! Thanks. I've been looking forward to this. From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sun Aug 16 18:47:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 208 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1998 18:47:28 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1998 18:47:28 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02162 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA24665; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: The Whole Enchilada Online!! To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 thedock@value.net wrote: > I am shunting all NEC PC-8201A stuff over to David Firth's dedicated > PC-8201A site ... ... and since I am now finished with my classes until January (someone remind me how difficult a 4-week compressed version of a 10-week Shakespeare survey is before I do a similar class again in the Summer) I will have time to work on adding stuff to the PC-8201A site. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Sun Aug 16 20:05:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 842 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1998 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1998 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05028; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA03810; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:16:38 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Y2K ROM To: eric , M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've copied the M100 listserv because this issue pops up from time to time. Some of the people there may offer more and better insights than I. The original message has been snipped. Direct replies should go back to Eric. Any replies that others might find useful should be posted for the group at large -- Dave. > eric suggested: > Let's talk about the Y2k issue. Here is what I think. > C) I have looked at the dissassembled ROM docs from some guy. I don't see > where to poke date values. The basic DATE$="YY/MM/DD" seems to only accept > data values as 19xx. Right. The uPD1990AC real-time clock chip in the NEC and M100 doesn't actually handle the year or the century. It only tracks months and below, correcting the output for 30 vs 31 day months. Leap years aren't corrected. The machine doesn't advance the year at New Years Day either. This was/is an inexpensive clock chip meant for a design that wasn't expected to still be used in 1998 (oops!). The year and century are in memory (RAM and ROM respectively). You won't find the century byte used in the date routines. > But this does give me stab #1. > 1-1) Copy the standard NEC ROM (which I have done for back-up reasons) > 1-2) Find the ROM location that sets 19 as the year part. > 1-3) Change that to 20 (in the downloaded ROM code). > 1-4) Burn the 2000 ROM. > 1-5) Wait until 1999 Dec 31 ... > drink bubbly ... and at midnight, change ROM chips. > > Now this will make an NEC that will last for the next 1,000 years! 100 years, but I know what you mean. Your solution is a valid one, though the only place that you'll fix the NEC is the date display on the main menu. The date$ function doesn't return the century. I don't know of any programs that reference the location of the stored "19" in the ROM. DATE$ still uses 00-99 for the year. > The only problem might be ... date calulations. If a program depends on > some routine in the NEC that does date calculations ... were sunk. Aha. You've stumbled onto the real Y2K issue. Y2K isn't necessarily an operating system problem. Most of the trouble with Y2K comes from programmers saving memory by not storing the century (19 or 20) in their data or by not including a century designator into their date calculations. You can fix the NEC ROM with a copy/patch/burn as you describe for only one Y2K related problem. > Stab #2 would be to find a way to poke the year 2000 into the location in > RAM holding the date at start-up. Assuming the system would allow this. I > read a discussion about using a second bank of RAM on a M100 to copy the > ROM chip, make a fix and redirect the system to use the ROM bank instead of > RAM. I assume that someone has figured out the y2k fix. I did not read this > article very well. I just scanned the thred. The second bank trick is built into the NEC. You can map bank #2 as 0000-7FFFh and make it look like the ROM. I have not tried it, but there is a file in the Club 100 library that supposedly tells how to do it. > There are changes in the ROM from the M100 and NEC, I am not sure what yet. There are major differences. For example, the low-level math routines are different. The M100 uses BCD and the NEC uses binary. There are other differences like BASIC keyword differences, the M100's better interrupt system (ON KEY, ON MDM, etc), and the NEC's multiple RAM bank support. The I/O ports are all in different places as are the upper RAM locations. There are more similarities than differences in the designs, so study the Tandy info but don't expect any of the RAM locations or ports to be the same. > Do you know anything that would help me find the modification to make? Find where MENU grabs the text to throw onto the screen. > This would not infringe on copyright as the ROM is old, and we are doing > this to fix a problem that makes the old ROM unusable. Thus no one is going > to use the old ROM. If people are only running one copy of the ROM, no > copyright infringment can be clamed. Copyright law is touchy and copyrights for software a gray area that more than one person has been burned because of. The likelihood of NEC doing anything is very low, but they would be in their legal rights to act. The problem comes from the software industry's position that code is licensed and not owned. NEC owns the code in that chip -- whether or not they still sell of support the machine. Derivative works are frowned upon. The real status of the copyright is unknown. The ROM isn't unusable. In fact, the century byte only affects the main menu. None of the date-related functions in BASIC process a century byte, so (in essence) Y2K on the NEC is a cosmetic issue in MENU and a programmer's issue for 3rd-party apps. If I use date calculations on the NEC, I employ code to make a judgement call whether the century indicator is to be 19 or 20. I'll look in the info that I have to see if I have a record of where the century byte is stored in ROM. To be honest, I haven't worried about it on the NEC because it just doesn't make much difference to my NEC stuff. But, if the "19" on the MENU screen really bothers you, I'd do option #1 and patch in a "20" into your new ROM. Let the group know how it goes. There are plenty of other people who ask about this issue. In the outside world ... Y2K is a real problem that is/has been blown into the proportions of Mt. Everest by people who don't know any better. I am the Y2K coordinator for my engineering group at the office, and you'd be amazed at the scatter-brained things that I hear every day (planes falling from the sky, elevators crashing, and other stupid stuff). Embedded chip problems are the latest hobgoblin. The best defense is to be informed and to do some careful testing far enough ahead of time to repair or replace any genuine problems. Peace, Dave. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From mwalimu@corinthian.net Mon Aug 17 03:11:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4411 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1998 03:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 03:11:28 -0000 Received: from default ([207.53.82.83]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA03056 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:07:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199808170307.XAA03056@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: Turning PC82's 2nd bank to a ROM Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:07:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know, the program you need to turn PC8201's 2nd bank to a ROM is NOT in Club100's Library, but in Compu$erve's library. The program is RAMROM.BA. It copies the ROM to bank 2, and then maps bank 2 to 0-7ffff, thus making it the ROM. Rick sez that eventually he'll have compu$erve's M100 library available. chris From mac4ever22@hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 14:49:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8006 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1998 14:49:38 -0000 Received: from f38.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.250.49) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 14:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 26744 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 1998 14:42:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19980817144232.26743.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.140.43.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:42:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.140.43.114] From: "Nathan Baes" To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: M100 Software & Printers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:42:32 PDT What functions did the software on the Model 100s, 102s, and 200s allow you to do? Also, what kind of printers could/can you connect to them? (Like what kind of connection, and did they need a special proprietary Tandy printer or would any standard DOS compatible printer work?) Thanks in advance, NATHAN BAES ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mac4ever22@hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 14:51:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8163 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1998 14:51:36 -0000 Received: from f234.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (207.82.251.125) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1998 14:51:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 20219 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 1998 14:44:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19980817144451.20215.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.140.43.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:44:50 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.140.43.114] From: "Nathan Baes" To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Model 100/102/200 differences Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:44:50 PDT What are the differences between the Model 100, 102, and 200? All that I know now is that the Model 200 had more memory. Thanks, NATHAN BAES ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Tue Aug 18 01:14:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14168 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1998 01:14:28 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (XHjoK28dNUXhpt9Pak13+UYlUP82LgsN@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1998 01:14:28 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:49:11 PST To: mac4ever22@hotmail.com (Nathan Baes) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: M100 Software & Printers From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980817.174911.1d8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:49:11 PST In-Reply-To: <19980817144232.26743.qmail@hotmail.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, mac4ever22@hotmail.com writes: > What functions did the software on the Model 100s, 102s, and 200s allow > you to do? You can open the printer as a file. OPEN "LPT:" FOR OUTPUT AS #1 PRINT #1, xxxxx PRINT #1, USING xxxx, yyyyy And it closes with CLOSE, and it counts agianst MAXFILES You can SAVE"LPT:" to dump the program to the printer. You can dump the screen to the printer with LCOPY You can list programs (or portions of them) with LLIST LPOS(dummy numeric expression) returns the current position of the print head You've got all the various LPRINT, LPRINT USING functions. And you can use the TAB(x) function with LPRINT and PRINT# > Also, what kind of printers could/can you connect to them? > (Like what kind of connection, and did they need a special proprietary > Tandy printer or would any standard DOS compatible printer work?) The printer connector is a bit odd, but not that odd. You can hook a standard printer up to the 100. But you'll either have to set it to supply LFs for every CR, or load a small TSR on the 100 that makes it use CR/LF instead of just CR. You could try to use a serial printer, but you'd have to write a machine language routine to do the handshaking unless the printer can do XON/XOFF handshaking. And of course, you'd access it via the COM port, not LPT. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From a2k@one.net Tue Aug 18 01:23:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14389 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1998 01:22:59 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1998 01:22:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id RAA15741; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:16:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:16:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Nathan Baes cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: M100 Software & Printers In-Reply-To: <19980817144232.26743.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > What functions did the software on the Model 100s, 102s, and 200s allow > you to do? Also, what kind of printers could/can you connect to them? > (Like what kind of connection, and did they need a special proprietary > Tandy printer or would any standard DOS compatible printer work?) Well, I only have an m100, so here's what I know: The programs in ROM are: BASIC (pretty self explanitory) TEXT (very basic text editor) Telcom (even more basic comms program) Addrss (address book) Schedl (Scheduler) The printer port is a ribbon cable to standard parallel printer adapter. I have seen "Tandy" printers, but they're still standard printers. I have an Epson L-1000 ActionPrinter that I use with my m100, Amiga, Linux, DOS, and Windows boxen. Hope this helps, Kevin From radiojon@means.net Tue Aug 18 17:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 550 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1998 17:28:49 -0000 Received: from orion.means.net (206.9.64.100) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1998 17:28:49 -0000 Received: from JohnStewart ([206.10.108.92]) by orion.means.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02364 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: From: "John Stewart" To: Subject: NiMh AAs Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:28:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bdcade$5b7cd4e0$5c6c0ace@JohnStewart> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Battery City sells Toshiba AAs (NiMH) at $4.95 a pair. The matching 10 hour battery charger is $6.50. This is working well in my 102. John Stewart Audio Computer Information, Inc. www.acpress.com radiojohn@msn.com From james.cameron@digital.com Tue Aug 18 21:59:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3682 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1998 21:59:51 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1998 21:59:51 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id SAA01639 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA24413 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:01:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from cscds709.stl.dec.com by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA05025; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:01:44 +1000 Sender: root@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35D9FB3B.95843375@digital.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:55 +0000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: NiMh AAs References: <000001bdcade$5b7cd4e0$5c6c0ace@JohnStewart> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Stewart wrote: > Battery City sells Toshiba AAs (NiMH) at $4.95 a pair. > This is working well in my 102. I have learned a fair bit about NiMH and NiCd over the years. Compare two modern AA cells, say, a 1100mAH versus a 500mAH. Ask yourself "why would anybody make or even buy a lower capacity cell?" The answer is that the higher the capacity, the higher the self discharge rate. If you use a high capacity rechargable set in your Tandy 102, then the battery will lose more energy by self discharge than it would in operation, unless you are using the laptop for eight hours continuously immediately after charging. I've got a bit of a program somewhere that runs as an interrupt task and counts the time that the battery is operated ... this lets you plot the battery capacity according to usage. Only one caveat; you have to tell it when you stop using battery storage, as this fact is not available to a program. I have determined that I would use rechargable cells on my Tandy 102's only as soon as my frequency of use exceeds once every couple of days. Below that and it wasn't worth the money and the hassle of recharging only to lose the charge. Those alkalines just don't lose it for a few years. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From m5012@gorilla.net Wed Aug 19 04:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7806 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1998 04:34:47 -0000 Received: from gorillanet.gorilla.net (208.128.8.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 04:34:47 -0000 Received: from MATT (MATT [208.143.84.11]) by gorillanet.gorilla.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/18.aaac) with ESMTP id qa401976 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:35:52 -0500 From: "matt & corey" To: Subject: Scanning books? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:40:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <04355231225712@gorilla.net> I am curious about the legal issues concerning the scanning and public posting of books concerning the Model 100/102/etc. I am the happy new owner of a Model 100 I found for fifteen dollars at a thrift store, and have been a tad underwhelmed as far as documentation available on the Net. Club and Web 100 are excellent, mind you - it's just that I would like to see some books/manuals concerning these machines. I am working on getting some books on this machine, and when I do so, I will scan and put up a site to let others benefit from them. That is, if no one's going to come after me... All advice/comments and offers to sell or help me find such books will be very much appreciated. Thank you, Matt Taylor m5012@gorilla.net From drbinns@idirect.com Wed Aug 19 07:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8858 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1998 07:01:34 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 07:01:34 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA18032; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-31t-24.idirect.com [209.161.225.216]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA25410; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808190703.DAA25410@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "matt & corey" , Subject: Re: Scanning books? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:20:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tandy owns the copyright, which means that you must get approval from them before copying by any means, or quoting more than 23 consecutive words. It is doubtful that they will give you permission to copy *anything*, but especially they would be upset with the copying of any document they still have for sale.... like the Technical Reference Manuals, and Multiplan ROM/ chip 100/200 manual. My advice is that you ascertain what is still available, and avoid those. They probably wouldn't bother you about the rest, but I think you'd also be left with just about what you see online at WEB100. The Model 100 User Guide is 224 pages, and encompasses all the standard ROM software. Most of that is BASIC (92 pages). What I haven't seen anywhere, which would be valuable is the Model 100 Appendices. Also, the User Manuals for the Model 102 and Model 200 are not represented anywhere. But they are so very similar to the 100 that this is not really significant. As far as Tandy giving permission to copy their manuals, getting permission would be _very_ unlikely, especially since they view Club100 as the User Group that represents all users of the 100/102/200 series. Hope this doesn't put too much of a damper on your project. Documentation is always needed. In the case of new software, *understandable* documentation is so often needed; hence, the "computer book" industry. -=Paul=- ---------- > From: matt & corey > To: m100@list.30below.com > Subject: Scanning books? > Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 12:40 AM > > I am curious about the legal issues concerning the scanning and public > posting of books concerning the Model 100/102/etc. I am the happy new owner > of a Model 100 I found for fifteen dollars at a thrift store, and have been > a tad underwhelmed as far as documentation available on the Net. Club and > Web 100 are excellent, mind you - it's just that I would like to see some > books/manuals concerning these machines. > I am working on getting some books on this machine, and when I do so, I > will scan and put up a site to let others benefit from them. That is, if no > one's going to come after me... All advice/comments and offers to sell or > help me find such books will be very much appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Matt Taylor > m5012@gorilla.net From thedock@value.net Wed Aug 19 07:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9044 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1998 07:19:27 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 07:19:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id AAA11753; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: To: matt & corey cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Scanning books? In-Reply-To: <04355231225712@gorilla.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, matt & corey wrote: > I am curious about the legal issues concerning the scanning and public > posting of books concerning the Model 100/102/etc. I am the happy new > owner of a Model 100 I found for fifteen dollars at a thrift store, and > have been a tad underwhelmed as far as documentation available on the > Net. Club and Web 100 are excellent, mind you - it's just that I would > like to see some books/manuals concerning these machines. Congratulations on your $15 Model 100. That's the way to do it but also, do yourself a favor, always keep your eyes open for more Model 100s and 102s and buy every one you find at cheap prices. You can always resell them online and to friends and keep them in circulation and use. > I am working on getting some books on this machine, and when I do so, > I will scan and put up a site to let others benefit from them. That is, > if no one's going to come after me... All advice/comments and offers to > sell or help me find such books will be very much appreciated. Hold on... I am going to advise you on NOT scanning, OCRing, correcting and posting the books you find on Model 100 computing. If you wish to paraphrase them, that's okay but not a one-for-one presentation. Not only are books someones copyright, they are also wordy and redudent. If would be far better for you and everyone concerned to condense the factual information and add your own comments, suggestions and corrections. Now I know that I have voiced my views on posting programs that may be in the public domain but that is a far different subject vs. posting a book without any modifications whatsoever. And again, a book -- straight from paper -- is not very helpful online. I have most every book ever published about Model 100 computing, and all the magazines from the premier issue (80Micro, Portable 100, PCM, Laptop User, Truly Portable, etc.) but I will not put those online without permission. There is one magazine, however, that just might give the necessary permission but if that happens I'll announce it at that time. One of my new years resolutions is to get as much documentation as I can online and that is why you will see a category in the Club 100 library that says "Documentation" -- although it is empty at this moment. I am free to put any and all the documentation that is licensed to Club 100 into that area and I do intent to do just that, as time premits -- always the problem as this is still a hobby. In the mean time, please keep an eye on The Whole Enchilada that went online for the first time just the other day, after being in paper form for several years. Little by little, the various modules in TWE will be updated and expanded and new ones will be added. You will also find extensive information in the "Technical" category of the Club 100 Library. Furthermore, you will find tons of programming (over 1,000) in the Club 100 library, through which you will learn various things about your Model 100 just by experimenting with the code. Well, that's my 2-cents on the subject. So now I have a question for you: What do you wish to see in terms of documentation? Look... many of us have been here and done that and have lost site of what it's like to be at the beginning. Your insights will allow us to rethink this subject, hash over stuff again from, perhaps, a new prespective and even have some fun in the process -- cause that is what it's all about, i.e. having fun and sharing. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Wed Aug 19 17:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13264 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1998 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1998 17:17:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA18540 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Docs Project Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What are the goals and objectives of having documentation online? 1) To assist those who acquire a device or program without the docs. 2) To go beyond the facts by addressing insights into the use of the device or program, i.e. call it tips and tricks, perhaps. 3) To act as a guide to "what's available" in devices and programs. 4) To give us a group activity, if we choose to participate. The following list are some ideas for documenation. I have some of these already keyed in and ready to code in html and post but others still need to be digitized -- and some of this is already in The Whole Enchilada which could be broken out and placed into the Docs category. Ideas, such as the "Quick Reference Cards", might be the way we could satisfy the user manual debate. WEB100 has a guide -- that, too we might be able to incorporated into the documentation resources at Club 100 with Andy's permission, of course. Lapdos II DeskLink WP2DOS Plus 100duet WPduet ROM2/Cleuseau TS-DOS The Ultimate ROM II - T-Word - T-Base - Idea - View80 Keyboard Bands Installation RAM Upgrade Installations - Model 100 - Model 102 - Model 200 - NEC PC-8201A - WP2 ROM Duplicating Phone/Modem Cable Construction & Use RAMPAC Sardine CardFile Printer Cable Construction & Use extRAM XR4 Booster Pac Quick Reference Cards - Model 100 - Model 102 - Model 200 - NEC PC-8201A - WP-2 XTel Disk Video Interface Publication List Chipmunk Drive TPDD Booting Instructions TPDD2 Booting Instructions CCR-81 and 82 Instructions & Use CGI-115 Instructions & Use TTXPress Instructions & Use Hush 80 Instructions & Use Node Data Pack Instructions & Use Sound Sight Magnetic Bubble Memory Instructions & Use Note: Including pictures in the appropriate doc files is probably a good idea. Pictures involve much more work but their impact and usefulness will be greatly appreciated by many for years to come. -Rick @ Club 100- From drbinns@idirect.com Thu Aug 20 02:41:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18586 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1998 02:41:18 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 02:41:18 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21472 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-43t-23.idirect.com [209.161.227.87]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA18892 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808200243.WAA18892@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: Subject: Re: Model 200 differences Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:47:11 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I do not have a manual for the 200, so it remains mostly > an enhanced Model 100. I wish I could find docs on its Multiplay spreadsheet. No, the M200 User Manual seems to be non-existant. Both the Tech Reference Manual and the Multiplan manual are still available from Tandy National Parts. Your local Radio Shark store will be able to order them for you. Stock numbers and prices follow: Manual, Tech Tandy 200 MT2603861 $ 52.03 US Manual, Users 26-3860 MU2603860 $ 19.99 US From a2k@one.net Thu Aug 20 02:52:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18805 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1998 02:52:29 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 02:52:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id WAA27793; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:54:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Paul Binns cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Model 200 differences In-Reply-To: <199808200243.WAA18892@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Manual, Tech Tandy 200 MT2603861 $ 52.03 US Yeesh, that better be one heck of a big comprehensive book! Kevin From dichmank@vaniercollege.qc.ca Thu Aug 20 13:15:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22214 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1998 13:15:47 -0000 Received: from pteradactyl.vaniercollege.qc.ca (HELO pteradactyl) (205.236.144.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 13:15:47 -0000 Received: from vaniercollege.qc.ca by pteradactyl (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04332; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <35DC22C6.21F53F20@vaniercollege.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:21:11 -0400 From: Klaus Dichmann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Stewart CC: Paul Binns , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Model 200 differences References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Stewart wrote: > > Manual, Tech Tandy 200 MT2603861 $ 52.03 US > Yeesh, that better be one heck of a big comprehensive book! > > Kevin There are two technical reference manuals for the M100/102/200s. There is the technical SERVICE manuals which contain all the parts numbers for the various parts of the machine as well as the schematics. The technical Reference manuals contain much of the same material but not the parts numbers. The Service manuals are very expensive +$50US but the Reference manuals if available are much more reasonable, less than $20. Klaus From skold@columbus.rr.com Fri Aug 21 02:25:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29065 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1998 02:25:23 -0000 Received: from m5.columbus.rr.com (204.210.252.20) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 02:25:23 -0000 Received: from columbus.rr.com (htp241237.columbus.rr.com [204.210.241.237]) by m5.columbus.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06925 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DCDAE7.E27D5912@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:26:47 -0400 From: Skold Reply-To: skold@biogate.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Hacked rom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All the talk about the y2k changing of the rom made me wonder, has anyone ever made a hacked firmware rom? -Kris From james.cameron@digital.com Fri Aug 21 03:19:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29669 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1998 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 03:19:41 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id XAA13343 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA08955; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:21:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA12808; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:21:27 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35DCE7B7.8E50CB15@digital.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:21:27 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Hacked rom References: <35DCDAE7.E27D5912@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skold wrote: > All the talk about the y2k changing of the rom made me wonder, has > anyone ever made a hacked firmware rom? No, but I might consider selling a modification for $550 a piece that fixes the problem. Since copying and fixing the ROM is not allowed, legally, without permission from the copyright owners, I'd implement it as a device which listened on the address bus for the appropriate address for the byte that must change. My device would then substitute the byte onto the data bus. There would be an impact on power consumption, of course. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From thedock@value.net Fri Aug 21 15:46:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2214 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1998 15:46:03 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 15:46:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA14999 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:47:51 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Hacked rom In-Reply-To: <35DCDAE7.E27D5912@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Skold wrote: > All the talk about the y2k changing of the rom made me wonder, has > anyone ever made a hacked firmware rom? -Kris There's been a lot of talk, that's for sure, but I have not actually seen a working firmware solution. For the Model 100, it would be easy to install a new system ROM since it's a plug in style. The Model 102 is not -- it's surface mounted. It would be costly to desolder the old one and solder in a new one and not mess it up. I do believe that Mike Nugent has a software patch that runs in the background. I hope he will make this available, commercially. -Rick @ Club 100- From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Fri Aug 21 21:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5809 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1998 21:17:54 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 21:17:54 -0000 Received: from [172.18.21.156] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 21:19:42 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA18541 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:20:27 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: Reloading Programs Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:18:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdcd49$2edbb7e0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hello, Any shooters out there that have any handloading/ballistic software for the Model 100. I'm looking for either ballistic plotting programs, not necessarily graphic, just gives the data. Or range database programs to keep track of loads and how they do at the range. I would like to be able to impress my shooting friends with my laptop. :) Kevin P.S. I briefly looked in the Club100 library but didn't see anything. I might not have search long enough. From vanalst@ix.netcom.com Mon Aug 24 08:02:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28588 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 08:02:37 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 08:02:37 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA24365; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:04:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ali-ca4-35.ix.netcom.com(209.110.224.227) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024359; Mon Aug 24 03:03:57 1998 From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) To: , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Reloading Programs Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:16:22 GMT Message-ID: <35e31fa6.463043@smtp.ix.netcom.com> References: <000001bdcd49$2edbb7e0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> In-Reply-To: <000001bdcd49$2edbb7e0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:18:03 -0500, you wrote: > Any shooters out there that have any handloading/ballistic software >for the Model 100. I'm looking for either ballistic plotting programs, >not necessarily graphic, just gives the data. Or range database >programs to keep track of loads and how they do at the range. I would >like to be able to impress my shooting friends with my laptop. :) Sounds interesting, and not too complicated. If you can provide the necessary formulas and program descriptions, I can probably write the software. Let me know how you think it should work. Van > >P.S. I briefly looked in the Club100 library but didn't see anything. I >might not have search long enough. Haven't seen anything similar, even in the CompuServe libs. From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Mon Aug 24 17:07:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32000 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 17:07:16 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 17:07:16 -0000 Received: from [172.18.21.156] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 17:08:44 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA26652 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:09:29 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: RE: Reloading Programs Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:07:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdcf81$9ce92da0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9056372/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > Any shooters out there that have any > handloading/ballistic software > >for the Model 100. I'm looking for either ballistic > plotting programs, > >not necessarily graphic, just gives the data. Or range database > >programs to keep track of loads and how they do at the > range. I would > >like to be able to impress my shooting friends with my laptop. :) > > Sounds interesting, and not too complicated. If you can provide the > necessary formulas and program descriptions, I can probably write the > software. Let me know how you think it should work. Thanks Van for the offer of help. But . . . I have just started reloading and do not know the math myself. When I get to that chapter in my book I will let you know. If you are really interested in getting started you can pick up any reloading manual or reloading books. You might find these at the library or a book store. You would definitely find it at a gun store or sporting goods store that has reloading equipment. Actually after composing this message I just thought of this. You could start with just the basic formulas for a projectile being fired from a fixed point. Just plotting the path of the bullet on a two-dimensional plane. Taking only gravity in mind. The problem you have is you don't know velocity. You get this at the gun range with a chronograph. Although you could start with some standard velocity to use for testing. They have PC programs that will do all this but I would like to do something on the Model 100. I don't know if all this babble has helped give you any idea's. As I learn more I will let you know more. I'm wanting to find something written the modify for my own needs. > > Van > > > >P.S. I briefly looked in the Club100 library but didn't see anything. > I > >might not have search long enough. > Haven't seen anything similar, even in the CompuServe libs. Thanks, for looking in CompuServe. Thanks again let me know if I can provide any more specifics. Kevin From root@port-48-4.access.one.net Mon Aug 24 19:12:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 399 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 19:12:05 -0000 Received: from port-26-17.access.one.net (HELO port-48-4.access.one.net) (root@206.112.193.66) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 19:12:05 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-48-4.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA01012 for m100@list.30below.com; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:17:11 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: Model 100 List Subject: Linux-TRS80 programs Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:13:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98082415171000.01009@port-48-4.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Hello, For transferring of files between my Linux box and TRS-80 m100, I just use a simple serial cable and null modem. But then I have to use a comms program designed for modem communications. I had been using Minicom, but in the newest version, it's really screwed up. Plus, most comms programs are bloated to begin with :) Solution? I'm working on some software designed for TRS-80 transfers. It's really messy right now, but will (hopefully) get to a point where it has percentage bars, a file manager, maybe even a fully-automated get program on the TRS-80. There's even a /dev/trs80 (a symlink to the proper cua port) :) Is anyone interested in this program? If you are, I'll finish it up and release it. Kevin From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Mon Aug 24 19:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 686 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 19:44:51 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 19:44:51 -0000 Received: from [172.18.21.156] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 19:46:23 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAB00457 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:48:04 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: RE: Reloading Programs Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdcf97$a311b560$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9059931/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Have you thought of using a spreadsheet. I once saw a model rocket > altitude prediction program done on spreadsheets. There shouldn't be > much > difference. There is a BASIC spreadsheet for the NEC - SPREDIT.NEC, > maybe > there's one for the M100 or, you could get LUCID or MULTIPLAN. That's > how > I've done things in the past, I use LUCID and plug in the formulas. > > chris > Now this would take all the fun out of programming or modifying programs on my Model 100. :) Sorry couldn't resist. :) I do want to write this myself and with Rick's monopoly on Model 100 stuff I can't afford his exuberantly high prices. (Just kidding Rick I am a customer, purchased the Cleauso/ROM2 and a model cable. I'm a very satisfied customer also.) I just can't stop. :) :) :) :) :) Kevin From thedock@value.net Mon Aug 24 19:54:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 872 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id MAA23917 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Model 100 List Subject: RE: Reloading Programs In-Reply-To: <000001bdcf97$a311b560$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Kevin Slater wrote: > I do want to write this myself and with Rick's monopoly on Model 100 > stuff I can't afford his exuberantly high prices. (Just kidding Rick I > am a customer, purchased the Cleauso/ROM2 and a model cable. I'm a very > satisfied customer also.) I just can't stop. :) :) :) :) :) I know, I know... we're cool. I appreciate your support and good will. And I agree that my prices are a lot higher than the street price but then I do put a lot of time and care into my machines and I "stand behind" my work... about 10 to 15 feet! :-) -Rick- From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Mon Aug 24 20:04:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1082 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 20:04:13 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 20:04:13 -0000 Received: from [172.18.21.156] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 20:05:45 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA00639 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:07:26 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: RE: Reloading Programs Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bdcf9a$5809ea80$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9061146/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > For ballistics that don't take into account air drag, the parabola > formula > is what describes the projectile's path. > Good point. Its been to long since I have been in those math classes. Good thing I got that math minor in college. As you can see I have retained all of it. :) Kevin From vinnie1824@yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 21:59:39 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2395 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 21:59:38 -0000 Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.23) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 21:59:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980824220042.7741.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.31.155.140] by send1b; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:00:42 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: vincent Mancuso Subject: HELP!! To: m100@list.30below.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I've been on the mailing list for a while, but never posted before. Back in December, my Grandfather, who was a pretty cool computer guy, passed away, and about a month later my Grandmother gave me his old Model 100. She said he was afraid to give it to me, because he though if I had it, my parents would make me use that as my computer in college. Since then, I've worked really hard at getting it work, but I can find no way to get data out of it. I bought a printer cable from Club 100, but all it prints is a line of black boxes at the top of the paper, and that's it. I also downloaded a BBS program from the club 100 Library, and put it on my desktop, but when I try to use my Model T to dial, the dialing doesn't work. I picked up another phone in the house last time I tried dialing to see what was going on. The Model T dialed (pulse), but as it dialed, the dial tone continued. I switched my other phone over to pulse mode, on the same phone line, and it worked. I have no idea how to get this thing to work. I'm really excited about using the Model 100 'cause I'm going into my last year of high school, and the Model T is by far the best computer ever. I would love to use it to type reports on, and organize the technology club, of which I'm the president. ( some President, huh?) Well, there's my story, I would be eternally greatful to anyone who could help me at all. Thanks a lot. -Vinnie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com Mon Aug 24 22:06:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2621 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1998 22:05:59 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1998 22:05:59 -0000 Received: from snoexc2.dhcp.sno.dec.com (snoexc2.dhcp.sno.dec.com [16.172.128.248]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id SAA19254 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by snoexc2.dhcp.sno.dec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:07:27 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harry Woodward-Clarke To: "'m100 Listserver'" Subject: RE: Linux-TRS80 programs Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:07:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Kevin, I am sure there are a number of us around who would be interested in the source for such a program - although there is someone physically near me who would probably want to rewrite it in FORTH ;') {chuckle} If you need help in beta testing, I should have my FreeBSD box up and running soon, so I would be willing to assist. Harry > ---------- > From: Kevin[SMTP:a2k@one.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 August 1998 5:13 > To: Model 100 List > Subject: Linux-TRS80 programs . . . > Solution? > > I'm working on some software designed for TRS-80 transfers. It's > really messy right now, but will (hopefully) get to a point > where it has percentage bars, a file manager, maybe even a > fully-automated get program on the TRS-80. > There's even a /dev/trs80 (a symlink to the proper cua port) :) > > Is anyone interested in this program? If you are, I'll finish it up > and release it. > > Kevin > From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Tue Aug 25 05:12:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6805 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 05:12:32 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 05:12:32 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA16003 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA16385; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: RE: Reloading Programs To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <000001bdcf81$9ce92da0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Actually after composing this message I just thought of this. You could > start with just the basic formulas for a projectile being fired from a > fixed point. Just plotting the path of the bullet on a two-dimensional > plane. Taking only gravity in mind. The problem you have is you don't > know velocity. You get this at the gun range with a chronograph. > Although you could start with some standard velocity to use for testing. >From the fundamental physics, you could add corrections for windage and play with velocity. For example, put in theoretical velocities for the energy of the particular load and compare the actual velocity to the theoretical -- an interesting exercise in how the real world is usually much more complex than the nice neat formulae in the books. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From thedock@value.net Tue Aug 25 05:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7091 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 05:32:23 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 05:32:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id WAA17178; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: To: vincent Mancuso cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: HELP!! In-Reply-To: <19980824220042.7741.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, vincent Mancuso wrote: > Since then, I've worked really hard at getting it work, but I can find > no way to get data out of it. Vinnie: You are soooo close to being able to transfer files between your PC and your Model 100. All you need in "stuff" is a null-modem cable and the file DL-ARC.EXE, found in the "Member Uploads" category of the Club 100 Library. Let's take this by the numbers... 1) Download the DL-ARC.EXE program into a subdirectory on your PCs hard drive named c:\root ... you will have to make that directory. 2) Run the file to break out the parts. 3) Connect up the null-modem cable between COM1 on your PC and the RS232 port on your Model 100. 4) Read the file on the PC called TEENY.DOC ... note: It's in Microsoft 6.0 format ... which was probably a dumb thing for me to do ... I might change that. 5) Follow the instructions step-by-step to load and run TEENY in your Model 100. 6) Use TEENY to save your .do files to your PC from your Model 100.. 7) I highly recommend that you use TEENY to load DOS100.CO into your Model 100 and use that one. > I bought a printer cable from Club 100, but all it prints is a line of > black boxes at the top of the paper, and that's it. Vinnie: I included an instruction sheet with the cable, wherein I covered the fact that unless you use a line feed generator in your Model 100 or set the dip switches on your printer to generate the line feed, everything will print on one line ... which is what you said it did ... you didn't read the instruction sheet. > I also downloaded a BBS program from the club 100 Library, and put it on > my desktop, but when I try to use my Model T to dial, the dialing > doesn't work. I picked up another phone in the house last time I tried > dialing to see what was going on. The Model T dialed (pulse), but as it > dialed, the dial tone continued. I switched my other phone over to > pulse mode, on the same phone line, and it worked. Did you log on by responding to the prompts? What happened? > I have no idea how to get this thing to work. Keep trying until you get it. It takes time and you can do it. Did you get a manual with your Model 100? Did you read through The Whole Enchilada at the Club 100 web site? -- we cover uploading and downloading to a bbs in one of the files. You will make a fine president of your technology club... don't worry. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Tue Aug 25 05:33:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7247 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 05:33:24 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 05:33:24 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA16911 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA17033; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: HELP!! To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <19980824220042.7741.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > before. Back in December, my Grandfather, who was a pretty cool > computer guy, passed away, and about a month later my Grandmother gave > me his old Model 100. ... and if he was a Model 100 fan, the loss was ours as well. > it work, but I can find no way to get data out of it. I bought a > printer cable from Club 100, but all it prints is a line of black > boxes at the top of the paper, and that's it. I also downloaded a BBS The likely problem here is an incorrect cr/lf setting in the printer. For the M100, either (1) the printer has to be set to add a lf to every cr character (usually via a dip switch setting) or (2) you need to print using one of the many print formatting programs in the Club 100 library. This is a common problem for new users who are used to the IBM PC way of doing things, where the PC sends a cr/lf pair. All PC printers come set up expecting the lf to be generated by the computer, but this default condition may usually be changed. > program from the club 100 Library, and put it on my desktop, but when > I try to use my Model T to dial, the dialing doesn't work. I picked > up another phone in the house last time I tried dialing to see what > was going on. The Model T dialed (pulse), but as it dialed, the dial > tone continued. I switched my other phone over to pulse mode, on the > same phone line, and it worked. I have no idea how to get this thing > to work. The M100 handles dialing in a different way than newer "smart" modems. The M100 modem is as simple as they get -- old fashioned answer/originate with pulse dial. The dialing circuit is the cassette remote relay. The M100 clicks the relay to interrupt the dial tone in a particular pattern. This tells Ma Bell (or your favorite local phone utility) to connect you to a particular number. It doesn't tell the modem to do anything at all. You have to listen on a phone for the other modem to answer. When it does, you enter the TERM mode of TELCOM, which tells the M100 to send the proper response tone. When you use the direct connect phone cable, the handset on one leg of the cable is automatically cut off when the M100 modem sends the tone. If your STAT settings are OK, you should be connected at this point. The acoustic cup procedure isn't much different. You'll need to watch the orig/ans and dir/acp switch settings. Most all the time, you'll use the orig setting. Once you get the hang of it, the procedure isn't hard at all. For people used to ATDTxxx-xxx-xxxx to a smart modem, getting down and dirty with the M100 modem can be daunting. BTW, you can attach an external Hayes-type modem to the RS232 port, diddle the STAT settings, and go online. There are speed restrictions due to the M100 design, but you have the option of not using the internal 300 baud modem. I prefer to use the internal -- it has more "wow" effect for the bystander besides being a simple & elegant design. >I'm really excited about using the Model 100 'cause I'm > going into my last year of high school, and the Model T is by far the > best computer ever. Egads, the bug is hereditary (something that my mother and my wife both swear is true). > President, huh?) Well, there's my story, I would be eternally > greatful to anyone who could help me at all. Thanks a lot. Vinnie, the gang on the listserv is a helpful bunch. You're plugged into a group that can help solve most any problem. Keep the questions coming, and welcome aboard. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Tue Aug 25 05:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7528 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 05:51:43 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 05:51:43 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA17633 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA17765; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:38:14 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: HELP!! To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Vinnie: I included an instruction sheet with the cable, wherein I covered > the fact that [snip] > ... you didn't read the instruction sheet. Instruction sheets always seem to be printed using invisible ink because *I* never seem to see them the first time either :) I delivered a paper on Friday morning at a conference where I asked the group if anyone had read my paper (several had the conference proceedings in hand or on the desk in front of them). Nobody had read the paper. In fact, it seemed that I hadn't read it when I mixed up what way the gas flow temp correction calculation factor applies. Then a vendor helping to answer a question botched the equation in the same way. Techies need more sleep and more reading and less time in the hospitality rooms :) When I ask the techs that call me for support why they don't read the manuals, they usually say that it is easier to call me on the phone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Tue Aug 25 14:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10508 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 14:42:22 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 14:42:22 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 14:43:52 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA03613 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:45:33 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: RE: Reloading Programs Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdd036$c6534800$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9063496/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Well Kevin I didn't go to college. Instead, I went to the Marine Corp > infantry. There they had ballistics down fairly well, even > though they > didn't know what a parabola was. Except for the rare officer, I doubt > that > the grunt officers could spell the word. It just as well because they > did > take air drag into account - a parabola would have just confused the > enlisted grunts. Hey Ron, I hope I didn't insult you or anyone else on the list about my college statement. I was insulting myself as I did have a math minor but have retained very little of it. I am a programmer at a book distributor and about the most complicated math I do is . . . ADD SHIPPING-COST TO INVOICE-COST GIVING TOTAL-INVOICE-COST. So, please accept my apology if there was an insult to anyone other than myself. Also what type of ballistics calculations did you do and are you a shooter now. Email me off list if you would like. Kevin > Subject: RE: Reloading Programs > > > For ballistics that don't take into account air drag, the parabola > > formula > > is what describes the projectile's path. > > > > Good point. Its been to long since I have been in those math classes. > Good thing I got that math minor in college. As you can see I have > retained all of it. :) > > > Kevin From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Tue Aug 25 15:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11168 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 15:39:45 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 15:39:45 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 15:41:14 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA04136 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:42:55 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: RE: Reloading Programs Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:41:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bdd03e$ca7a3bc0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9064188/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > After thinking about this, here's what I would do. Go to your library > and > look for "The Model Rocketry Handbook". In the back there is a BASIC > program to predict the altitude a rocket should reach. The physics of > model rackets in flight are pretty close to that of a minnie ball, the > only > difference is the direction you point in. That program should not be > hard > to modify to suit your needs. > > chris > Thanks Chris I will give that a try. Kevin From benevia@wwa.com Tue Aug 25 20:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13600 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from hirame.wwa.com (198.49.174.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 20:32:37 -0000 Received: from WWA.wwa.com(really [207.241.62.139]) by hirame.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:33:56 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #91 built 1997-Dec-8) From: "Matthew S. Whitlock" To: "Club100" Subject: Reloading Programs Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:11:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdcfc5$464250a0$2e3ef1cf@WWA.wwa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 If you are interested in programming/spending the time in creating your own I suggest trying to get your hands on a copy of the "NRA Firearms Fact Book" printed in 1989, which has a couple of extensive basic programs you could type in. They have release at least one other revision since then. Matthew From vinnie1824@yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 20:44:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13846 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 20:44:46 -0000 Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.64) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 20:44:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19980825204323.28240.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.31.155.48] by send1e; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:43:23 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: vincent Mancuso Subject: Re: INSTRUCTIONS To: m100@list.30below.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I really planned on using the instructions that came with my printer cable, but I got so pissed off at the machine yesterday, I didn''t want to bother. I'll go put it in right now. Thanks, Vinnie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Tue Aug 25 20:54:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14132 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 20:54:13 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 20:54:13 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 20:55:41 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA07099 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:57:22 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: Reloading Programs Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bdd06a$b7acae20$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <9069629/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> > From: "Matthew S. Whitlock" > > If you are interested in programming/spending the time in > creating your > own > I suggest trying to get your hands on a copy of the "NRA Firearms Fact > Book" > printed in 1989, which has a couple of extensive basic programs you > could > type in. They have release at least one other revision since then. > > Matthew Thanks, I will check that out also. Kevin From thedock@value.net Tue Aug 25 21:10:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14446 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 21:10:25 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 21:10:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA01049 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: INSTRUCTIONS In-Reply-To: <19980825204323.28240.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, vincent Mancuso wrote: > I really planned on using the instructions that came with my printer > cable, but I got so pissed off at the machine yesterday, I didn''t want > to bother. I'll go put it in right now. Thanks, Vinnie We've all been there. On the lighter side, if you find printing and communicating a little irksome, wait until you get into machine language programming! :-) -Rick- From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Aug 25 21:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14970 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1998 21:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1998 21:56:42 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAC2B60; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:47:38 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980825105718.5acfc5e2@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:00:26 -0700 To: a2k@one.net From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Linux-TRS80 programs Cc: Model 100 List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:13 PM 8/24/98 -0400, Kevin wrote: >I'm working on some software designed for TRS-80 transfers. > >Is anyone interested in this program? If you are, I'll finish it up and >release it. I don't have a linux box up and running, yet, but I will soon. I would definitely be interested in this! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From rcc@ziplink.net Wed Aug 26 18:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24556 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 18:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chrysalis.iris.com) (198.112.211.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 18:31:17 -0000 Received: from ziplink ([9.95.79.28]) by chrysalis.iris.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) with SMTP id 8525666C.0066068C; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:34:23 -0400 X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: "Model 100 List" From: Richard Crisafulli Subject: Possible Y2K solution? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:34:52 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: Reply-To: Richard Crisafulli Hi, I just got my M102 yesterday and I'm new to this list, so I apologize if this has been asked before. My question is this: Would it be possible to fix the Y2K problem on the M100/102/200 by installing a piggyback ROM on top of the existing ROM? I remember years ago when more RAM could be added by putting RAM chips on top of existing RAM chips. Maybe someone on this list knows if this is possible. Just a thought. Thanks! Rich From vinnie1824@yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 18:34:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24750 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 18:34:56 -0000 Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.64) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 18:34:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980826183422.4336.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.31.155.77] by send1e; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:34:21 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: vincent Mancuso Subject: IT WORKS! To: m100@list.30below.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I finally got my M100 to print, and all I needed was for Rick to hit me over the head and tell me to follow the directions he gave me w/ my printer cable a month ago. Well, whadda you know. Thanks, everyone for all your help. I'm sure I'll be able to use your suggestions to get file transfers to work between my M100 and desktop. Thanks again. -Vinnie _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ncherry@worldnet.att.net Wed Aug 26 18:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25148 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 18:52:13 -0000 Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 18:52:13 -0000 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.68.19.32]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980826185336.IZNQ28491@worldnet.att.net> for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:53:36 +0000 Sender: njc Message-ID: <35E459D5.E4CF078E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:54:13 -0400 From: Neil Cherry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i486) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: dl-arc.exe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have many questions: 1)I have a NEC PC-8021A and I've been pretty busy figuring out the various jump entry points. Now I'm playing with the dl-arc.exe file and I'm not getting very far with it. What else do I need to make it work? Teeny and tinyld both fail to work correctly. I changed the Model 100 BASIC commands to math the NEC version but that didn't help (didn't think it would). 2) Does anyone know what the pinouts are for the RAM sockets? If not I'll pin them out. 3) The NEC manuals suggest that a character set can be added to, does anyone know the format of a character and what commands are used to insert them into RAM. 4) Does anyone know the format of the file that go into ROM so that I can add my own custom ROM? -- Neil Cherry http://home.att.net/~ncherry ncherry@worldnet.att.net From thedock@value.net Wed Aug 26 20:50:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26308 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 20:49:59 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 20:49:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA13621; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Neil Cherry cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: dl-arc.exe In-Reply-To: <35E459D5.E4CF078E@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Neil Cherry wrote: > 1)I have a NEC PC-8021A and I've been pretty busy figuring out the > various jump entry points. Now I'm playing with the dl-arc.exe file and > I'm not getting very far with it. What else do I need to make it work? > Teeny and tinyld both fail to work correctly. I changed the Model 100 > BASIC commands to math the NEC version but that didn't help (didn't > think it would). Neil: As mentioned in the files, the TEENY program is for Model 100 and 102 computers, not the Model 200 or the NEC PC-8201a. But, all you need is a DOS in your NEC and DeskLink, the main program in the DL-ARC.EXE collection, and the system will work slicker then Teflon! As far as I know, the only DOS available for the NEC PC-8201a is TS-DOS RAM or ROM version. The RAM version of TS-DOS (DOSNEC.CO ... in machine language) is in the archive but again you will need a DOS in your NEC to bring that file over, or use an xmodem program that honors the .CO extension ... XMODEM.NEC in the "Member Uploads" category at our library might work but I have not tried it. Unfortunately, no one has reprogrammed any of the existing public domain DOS programs in our library for Model 100/102/200, such as DSKMGR, to work with the NEC PC-8201a. Perhaps David Firth, renouned NEC expert and keeper of the NEC web site (see Library, whole enchilada, nec pc-8201a support site) will have yet, another idea. The TS-DOS ROM for the NEC PC-8201a is ALWAYS available from Club 100 (see catalog). At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Wed Aug 26 21:05:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26595 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 21:05:26 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 21:05:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA17440; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "R. E. Diamond Inc." cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: y2k In-Reply-To: <35E466ED.9C32E072@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, R. E. Diamond Inc. wrote: > I just read that article and I'd love to get a machine. But is the chip > compliant? Or do you provide that service. Before I take the plunge > I'd like to know. Thanks. Robert Diamond Robert: Assuming you are referring to the "idea" presented in the Club 100 listserv about a y2k fix, the answer is absolutely NO! And don't even consider that it will become available. This is wild talk by interested parties on the list, and talk is just talk. Creating a workable product is a BIG DEAL and NOT SIMPLE and has LITTLE MARKET to return the investment necessary to bring such a chip into the product line arena. Of course, if someone reading this response says, "I'll show them it can be done and be reliable and manufacture them for a reasonable price" then we'll have a solution. Frankly, I am not going to count on that happening. On the flip side, if you owned a Model 102 or 100, why would you need to have the year part of the date correct? I'm not being ignorant, having been in computing since the 60s, having taught graduate school in information systems for 12 years, including at San Jose State University, I "know" how these things work and "understand completely" the dynamics of the y2k condition. My point is simple: For what you will use a Model 100 or 102 for, will the fact that the year part of the date is 19 make any difference whatsoever in the performance of the machine or the results of the intended applications? If your answer is no then go ahead and buy a Model 100 or 102 ... from myself or anyone else ... it doesn't matter. That's my 2-cents on the subject, my friend. I just want to say it like I see it without holding back -- yeah, like that would ever happen! :-) At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed Aug 26 22:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27325 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 22:02:34 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 22:02:34 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22539 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA19200; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:38:30 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: dl-arc.exe To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > 1)I have a NEC PC-8021A and I've been pretty busy figuring out the > > various jump entry points. Now I'm playing with the dl-arc.exe file and > As far as I know, the only DOS available for the NEC PC-8201a is TS-DOS > RAM or ROM version. The RAM version of TS-DOS (DOSNEC.CO ... in machine The only times we did any serious reverse engineering at work (PC platform) was when we were backed into a corner with no other options. It is high effort with (often) little reward. The more changes that you have to make in the code, the more risk that something doesn't work exactly right. You may find that writing a file transfer manager from scratch will be a lot more reliable than hunting for addresses and assuming that all the M100 calls do the same thing as the NEC calls. The ROMs have a few fundamental differences and aren't just shuffled addresses of the same code. The PDD disk calls are documented on the Web100 site -- I have a copy around here somewhere. > Unfortunately, no one has reprogrammed any of the existing public domain > DOS programs in our library for Model 100/102/200, such as DSKMGR, to work > with the NEC PC-8201a. I get the hint. Maybe one of the few other NEC people has some time? :) Writing a new file manager from scratch would be my approach. I really dislike reverse engineering. The NEC side could be in BASIC for simplicity or in assembler for size/speed. The PC side could be in anything, C/Pascal/C++/Forth whatever. Let me know when you're done. I'd love to have a copy ;) > The TS-DOS ROM for the NEC PC-8201a is ALWAYS available from Club 100 (see > catalog). I recommend this method. TS-DOS is an excellent product that I'm very happy to run on both my NEC and Tandy units. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed Aug 26 22:05:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27484 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 22:05:03 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 22:05:03 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22967 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA19807; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: dl-arc.exe To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <35E459D5.E4CF078E@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Welcome aboard, Neil. Sounds like another NEC person with the will and the tools to do some serious work has surfaced. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Wed Aug 26 22:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27775 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1998 22:21:58 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1998 22:21:58 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24721 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA23174; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: y2k To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I just read that article and I'd love to get a machine. But is the chip > > compliant? Or do you provide that service. Before I take the plunge > > I'd like to know. Thanks. Robert Diamond Here we go again > consider that it will become available. This is wild talk by interested > parties on the list, and talk is just talk. Creating a workable product > is a BIG DEAL and NOT SIMPLE and has LITTLE MARKET to return the > investment necessary to bring such a chip into the product line arena. The professor has spoken ... and he's right. The circuit is not Y2K compliant at the chip level, the BASIC interpreter date/time functions aren't Y2K compliant, the "19" you see on the MENU has nothing to do with any programs that are written for the machine, and you can work around the two-digit date if your app is written appropriately (and doesn't need date from long ago or far into the future). A fix is not as easy as patching in a "20" instead of a "19." The M100 doesn't advance the year at 12/31 23:59:59 either. Leap years aren't compensated for either. The M100 has no concept of what century it is ... anywhere in any code that matters. I suppose this makes it "timeless" :) I'm deep into Y2K at work for my systems (multiple OS/multiple platform), and one of the decisions we have to make is whether it makes sense to do the work needed to make something compliant. IMHO, the M100/etc is fine without it for the purposes that I use the machine for. I could make my NEC do the work for which it was once used in the office, but I'd do it as a work-around project rather than a Y2K overhaul. We've moved on to other machines for our work, so the NEC enjoys its retirement doing my hobby stuff. The M100 is still a worthwhile tool. Who's afraid of the big bad Y2K? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From sinasohn@ricochet.net Thu Aug 27 00:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29349 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 00:45:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 00:45:26 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAA824C for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:36:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980826154316.58173bc4@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:49:10 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: dl-arc.exe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 8/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >4) Does anyone know the format of the file that go into ROM so that I >can add my own custom ROM? I would be interested in this as well, for the m100/102. Someday, when I have some spare time, I plan to re-learn 8085 Assembler and do some m100 development, which I'd then like to dump to a ROM. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From goflo@pacbell.net Thu Aug 27 02:19:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30292 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 02:19:19 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 02:19:19 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-207-104-100-107.sndg02.pacbell.net [207.104.100.107]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id TAA16438 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35E4C358.41FF@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:24:24 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com, m100@list.30below.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: dl-arc.exe] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <35E4BC1B.570F@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:53:31 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Cherry Subject: Re: dl-arc.exe References: <35E459D5.E4CF078E@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Cherry wrote: > 2) Does anyone know what the pinouts are for the RAM sockets? If not > I'll pin them out. pin function 1 A7 2 A6 3 A5 4 A4 5 A3 6 A2 7 A1 8 A0 9 D0 10 D1 11 D2 12 GND 13 NOT CE1 14 NOT CE2 15 NOT CE3 16 GND 17 D3 18 D4 19 D5 20 D6 21 D7 22 NOT POWER 23 no connection shown on diagram 24 NOT CE4 25 A10 27 A9 28 VDD According to the Service Manual. Regards, Jack From lemonman@toast.net Thu Aug 27 03:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30814 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 03:02:14 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 03:02:14 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.185.73 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdd167$44197e40$49b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Y2K Fixed!! Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:03:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Hello boys and girls, (NOTE: first copy of this whent to David Firth, sorry David, should of checked the address first...) Today I sat down infront of my m100, with 1998 on my menu, and now I have 2000 on my menu, how? Well, its very, very simple, just load this asm progie as the CCK(Clock-cursor-keyboard) interupt and enjoy... ORG 62946 ;(c) 1998 Jonathan Schroeder PUSH H ; Push the HL register onto stack LXI H,64911 ; RAM Address for the 1 MVI M,50 ; Change the 1 to a 2 LXI H,64912 ; RAM Address for the 9 MVI M,48 ; Change the 9 to a 0 POP H ; Restore HL RET ; Return from subroutine All this does is patchs the Date string the menu uses, simple, could be better, but it works. The BASIC commands for loading this into the CCK interupt are: POKE 62977,245 POKE 62976,226 POKE 62975,195 My only question is why someone did'nt think of this sooner? I'm not really the brightest bulb in the pack... Forgive any typo's, just kinda hyped up right now =) -Jonathan From thedock@value.net Thu Aug 27 03:38:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31402 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 03:38:53 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 03:38:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id UAA06691; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Jon Schroeder cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! In-Reply-To: <001101bdd167$44197e40$49b9f4ce@lemmo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Jon Schroeder wrote: > Today I sat down infront of my m100, with 1998 on my menu, and now I > have 2000 on my menu, how? Mike Nugent made up something similar awhile back and published it (I believe) in Portable 100 Magazine. I do believe that there was something about having to recheck the clock all the time since certain programs did something or other... anyway, Mike could fill in the details. > Well, its very, very simple, just load this asm progie as the > CCK(Clock-cursor-keyboard) interupt and enjoy... Just so "everyone" will know "exactly" what to do, please give a stroke-by-stroke how-to on loading the CCK program into the a Model 100/102. In other words, do they key the assembly language directly into basic, or put it in a .do file and load the file or call the file. Assume ignorance of how to load an assembly program so everyone will be able to try your program and enjoy the year 2000. Thank you... -Rick @ Club 100- From lemonman@toast.net Thu Aug 27 03:59:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31729 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 03:59:45 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 03:59:45 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.185.73 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:00:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bdd16f$4fb85f20$49b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:01:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Rick, Just showing it can be done... I know its not perfect, but for a guy who's never been in a asm class or read a asm book, what can you expect? I posted it for real programmers to work with, improve on, y'know. It's not for the average Joe... yet. -Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: thedock@value.net To: Jon Schroeder Cc: m100@list.30below.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! >On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Jon Schroeder wrote: > >> Today I sat down infront of my m100, with 1998 on my menu, and now I >> have 2000 on my menu, how? > >Mike Nugent made up something similar awhile back and published it (I >believe) in Portable 100 Magazine. I do believe that there was something >about having to recheck the clock all the time since certain programs did >something or other... anyway, Mike could fill in the details. > >> Well, its very, very simple, just load this asm progie as the >> CCK(Clock-cursor-keyboard) interupt and enjoy... > >Just so "everyone" will know "exactly" what to do, please give a >stroke-by-stroke how-to on loading the CCK program into the a Model >100/102. In other words, do they key the assembly language directly into >basic, or put it in a .do file and load the file or call the file. Assume >ignorance of how to load an assembly program so everyone will be able to >try your program and enjoy the year 2000. > >Thank you... -Rick @ Club 100- > From drbinns@idirect.com Thu Aug 27 05:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32661 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 05:20:08 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 05:20:08 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA11229; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-37t-14.idirect.com [209.161.226.142]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA11607; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808270521.BAA11607@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "Jon Schroeder" Cc: Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:07:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Today I sat down infront of my m100, with 1998 on my menu, and now I > > have 2000 on my menu, how? > Just so "everyone" will know "exactly" what to do, please give a > stroke-by-stroke how-to on loading the CCK program into the a Model > 100/102. In other words, do they key the assembly language directly into > basic, or put it in a .do file and load the file or call the file. Assume > ignorance of how to load an assembly program so everyone will be able to > try your program and enjoy the year 2000. And, can you do this for a Model 200 ???? -=Paul=- From lemonman@toast.net Thu Aug 27 05:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 150 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 05:42:15 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 05:42:15 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.185.73 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:43:18 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01bdd17d$9f271de0$49b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:43:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Paul wrote: > >And, can you do this for a Model 200 ???? > I really dont know, I dont own one ;) I'm working on a BASIC loader now, I'll have it out soon... When that comes out, back up your files and give it a shot ;) -Jonathan From rcc@ziplink.net Thu Aug 27 12:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1794 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 12:01:03 -0000 Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (HELO ziplink.net) (206.15.168.49) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 12:01:03 -0000 Received: from ziplink (bay1-206.quincy.ziplink.net [206.15.142.220]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA12058 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:02:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: From: Richard Crisafulli Subject: re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:02:22 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: <001101bdd167$44197e40$49b9f4ce@lemmo> In-Reply-To: <001101bdd167$44197e40$49b9f4ce@lemmo> Reply-To: Richard Crisafulli I just tried this on my M102. I typed each POKE statement in and all went well until the last POKE stament at which point my system did a cold boot and reset to 01/01/1900 and lost all my programs! Since I just got my M102, I didn't have anything important in it, but I just wanted to let everyone know before they try this. Rich From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Aug 27 12:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2291 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 12:48:15 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 12:48:15 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA03223 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA25186; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I just tried this on my M102. I typed each POKE statement in and all went > well until the last POKE stament at which point my system did a cold boot and > reset to 01/01/1900 and lost all my programs! Since I just got my M102, I > didn't have anything important in it, but I just wanted to let everyone know > before they try this. Try writing a little BASIC program to scan the upper RAM area for the four bytes equating to "1998" and you may find that the location of this string is different in the 102 than the 100. The same trick should work for the 200 and NEC to find where the system keeps the string. Keep in mind that this is a cosmetic fix and not a true Y2K fix. Any program that blows up due to Y2K date inconsistancies will blow up the same as if the patch isn't installed. You could reference this string instead of the RTC info, but that kind of hack is how we ended up with all those PC-DOS programs that didn't work and play well on every machine. A nice little patch. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From goflo@pacbell.net Thu Aug 27 13:22:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2695 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 13:22:29 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 13:22:29 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-125-64.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.125.64]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id GAA27373 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35E55C3D.2871@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:16:45 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: dl-arc.exe] References: <35E4C358.41FF@pacbell.net> <35E4FC57.2CA5D6C1@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Cherry wrote: > I seem to be missing pin 26, would it be A8 or is there more confusion? Sorry. I need to do this stuff when I'm awake :) Scanner soon... pin function 1 A7 2 A6 3 A5 4 A4 5 A3 6 A2 7 A1 8 A0 9 D0 10 D1 11 D2 12 GND 13 NOT CE1 14 NOT CE2 15 NOT CE3 16 GND 17 D3 18 D4 19 D5 20 D6 21 D7 22 NOT POWER 23 no connection shown on diagram 24 NOT CE4 25 A10 26 A9 27 A8 28 VDD Regards, Jack From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Aug 27 17:08:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4906 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 17:08:54 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 17:08:54 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26487 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA08904; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <001101bdd167$44197e40$49b9f4ce@lemmo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > LXI H,64911 ; RAM Address for the 1 > LXI H,64912 ; RAM Address for the 9 The T102 stores the string in the same place -- I checked before I went to work. The NEC is cranking away on the search but hasn't found it. I've tried the search a few different ways on the NEC, but no luck. I don't have time to delve into it further. Later ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! NEC PC-8201A ! You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike Tandy 102 ! From lemonman@toast.net Thu Aug 27 21:38:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7818 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 21:38:32 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 21:38:32 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.185.72 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdd203$31d947a0$48b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:39:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Rich, I'm sorry to hear this, however I only own a Model 100, and cannot test it on Model 102's or 200's. So as with any Asm progie, back up all your files before using. -Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Richard Crisafulli To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:02 AM Subject: re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) I just tried this on my M102. I typed each POKE statement in and all went well until the last POKE stament at which point my system did a cold boot and reset to 01/01/1900 and lost all my programs! Since I just got my M102, I didn't have anything important in it, but I just wanted to let everyone know before they try this. Rich From thedock@value.net Thu Aug 27 22:32:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8537 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 22:32:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA21045; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Jon Schroeder cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) In-Reply-To: <000e01bdd203$31d947a0$48b9f4ce@lemmo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Jon Schroeder wrote: > I'm sorry to hear this, however I only own a Model 100, and cannot test > it on Model 102's or 200's. So as with any Asm progie, back up all your > files before using. Jon: Maybe now you get the idea "why" I suggested that you present a step-by-step instruction on how to load an assembly language program into a Model 100 and how to run it. The feedback you've received indicated that "everyone" at "all" levels of use, using "all 4 types" of Model "T"s want to try your program. You've done a good job building the program, and I really want to encourage you to do more, but please remember that your audiance is all over the map in skills, knowledge and equipment. We've heard from Model 102, 200 and NEC8201 users, and folks who've attempted to run your program and lost all their files. So, even though it may sound redundant, I'd start with: 1) Save your files before running new programming. 2) This program was tested on a Model 100, not a 102, 200 or NEC8201. 3) Key into BASIC the following.... etc. I bet there are folks lurking on this list who have a Model 100 and would like to try your cck program but have no idea where to start. Again, this is a suggestion. I really like your program and trust you will continue offering up ideas in code. Thanks... -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Thu Aug 27 22:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8751 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 22:38:43 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 22:38:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA22616; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Richard Crisafulli cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Richard Crisafulli wrote: > I just tried this on my M102. I typed each POKE statement in and all > went well until the last POKE stament at which point my system did a > cold boot and reset to 01/01/1900 and lost all my programs! Since I > just got my M102, I didn't have anything important in it, but I just > wanted to let everyone know before they try this. Richard: Before you go much further in Model "T" computing, and now that you have experienced a "cold boot" or cold start, I highly recommend that you go to the Club 100 libray, and into The Whole Enchilada category, and get the information on how to recover files after a cold start. Somewhere along the line, you will be very, very VERY happy you have this information. -Rick @ Club 100- From lemonman@toast.net Thu Aug 27 22:56:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9007 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 22:55:59 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 22:55:59 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.185.73 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:57:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004701bdd20e$063edc80$48b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:56:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Well, looks like I found a bug :) Looks like some odd after effect of my progie, makes the menu display a 2 for the second day number. For example: If you have the date set to today (Aug 27,1998) on the menu it will display Aug 22, 2098. Well, the fix is as bad, or worse, than the problem, it looks like. If anyone could give me pointers as to where the date is stored, I might be able to fix this. Other wise, another fix bites the dust :) Thanks in advance. -Jonathan From lemonman@toast.net Thu Aug 27 23:18:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9370 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 23:18:22 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 23:18:22 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.186.163 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:19:25 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01bdd211$249a2240$48b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:19:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Rick, Yeah, I see your point, but right now I have this rather nasty bug lurking in it I would like to fix before people start using it :) The program is a very, very early prototype, and I encourage anyone without advanced skill in programming and knowledge of the M100 NOT to use this program, and I have no idea what this will do on the Model 100's brothers. I only posted it to show we can fix this without those pricey ROM fixes, not that I have. -Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: thedock@value.net To: Jon Schroeder Cc: m100@list.30below.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) >On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Jon Schroeder wrote: > >> I'm sorry to hear this, however I only own a Model 100, and cannot test >> it on Model 102's or 200's. So as with any Asm progie, back up all your >> files before using. > >Jon: Maybe now you get the idea "why" I suggested that you present a >step-by-step instruction on how to load an assembly language program into >a Model 100 and how to run it. The feedback you've received indicated >that "everyone" at "all" levels of use, using "all 4 types" of Model "T"s >want to try your program. > >You've done a good job building the program, and I really want to >encourage you to do more, but please remember that your audiance is all >over the map in skills, knowledge and equipment. We've heard from Model >102, 200 and NEC8201 users, and folks who've attempted to run your program >and lost all their files. > >So, even though it may sound redundant, I'd start with: > >1) Save your files before running new programming. > >2) This program was tested on a Model 100, not a 102, 200 or NEC8201. > >3) Key into BASIC the following.... etc. > > >I bet there are folks lurking on this list who have a Model 100 and would >like to try your cck program but have no idea where to start. > >Again, this is a suggestion. I really like your program and trust you >will continue offering up ideas in code. Thanks... -Rick @ Club 100- > From bassclef@netcom.ca Fri Aug 28 02:05:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11249 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 02:05:48 -0000 Received: from tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (207.181.101.69) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 02:05:48 -0000 Received: from Default (lon-on1-24.netcom.ca [207.181.78.88]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA04896 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808280206.WAA04896@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> X-Sender: bassclef@popd.netcom.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: m100@list.30below.com From: Jennifer Jones Subject: Odd telcom behaviour. Hello all.. Anyone experience this odd phenomena with TELCOM? This occurs when connected to a PC running Telix in the host mode. When I shell to DOS on the PC, the M100 craps out on return to Telix. It still works, but the characters cease to echo at all on the M100 screen. Any idea what may be causing this? The problem is not Telix, because none of my other computers (PC's, Apple II, TRS-80 4P) exhibit this behaviour. I'd like to get it fixed because I'm doing this in preparation for accessing my PC by remote. Any ideas appreciated. Pat McNeil From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Fri Aug 28 03:12:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12086 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 03:12:56 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (4kFBo9qUznovjxVNe5ddZzNTXzYOqMVH@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 03:12:56 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:56:18 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Subject: Re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980827.195618.9v9.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:56:18 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, thedock@value.net writes: > On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Jon Schroeder wrote: > >> I'm sorry to hear this, however I only own a Model 100, and cannot test >> it on Model 102's or 200's. So as with any Asm progie, back up all your >> files before using. > > Jon: Maybe now you get the idea "why" I suggested that you present a > step-by-step instruction on how to load an assembly language program into > a Model 100 and how to run it. The feedback you've received indicated > that "everyone" at "all" levels of use, using "all 4 types" of Model "T"s > want to try your program. Don't you mean "all *6* types"? Tandy Model 100 Tandy Model 102 Tandy Model 200 NEC PC-8201 Olivetti M-10 Kyocera ??? (I can't recall what the "model name" of the Kyocera units was, just that they did exist) As I recall, the Kyocera units were a lot like the Tandys. I can't remember if the Olivetti units wre like the NEC or the Tandy. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From lemonman@toast.net Fri Aug 28 04:44:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12973 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 04:44:03 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 04:44:03 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.185.72 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:45:05 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bdd23e$a5c07220$48b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net Roger, This is why I dont think people should be using this yet. You have to assemble the source code I gave in BYTEIT, at the correct address, on a 32k Model 100, with no other assembly programs in ram, then do the poke commands, in the given order. I really should have made this more clear in the first message, sorry. If this sounds like its to much, wait till I get the BASIC loader out. -Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Uncle Roger To: Jon Schroeder Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! >At 11:03 PM 8/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >>The BASIC commands for loading this into the CCK interupt are: >> >>POKE 62977,245 >>POKE 62976,226 >>POKE 62975,195 > >I put this into a 3-line program and ran it, and the system locked up. Not >quite a cold reset like someone else said, but that's what I ended up >having to do. Was there something else that I need to do, or am I just >completely misunderstanding it? > >Thanks! > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > From lemonman@toast.net Fri Aug 28 07:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13955 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 07:43:35 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 07:43:35 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.185.72 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: <004501bdd257$ba3a1bc0$48b9f4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Y2K Loader. Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:44:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDD236.3266B260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDD236.3266B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, Here's the Y2K loader, hope I can send attachments through the list, if not I'll resend as part of the E-Mail. Its pretty simple, and I've tested it on two machines, here's what I had in them Machine #1: Model 100 32k RAM TS-DOS A few BA and DO files also machine #2: Model 100 24k RAM TEENY.BA TEENY.CO The loader worked fine on both machines. This is my first try at making a loader, don't think its crash proof, cause it isn't. I'm hoping everyone here knows how to send BASIC files from a PC to a M100. NOTE: This still contains the bug that screws up the date, if anyone knows why it does this, feel free to fix it, and a thousand thanks if you do so Here's simple directions on using it: I assume you have the program in Y2K.DO on your Model 100 Go to BASIC, type in: LOAD "Y2K.do" After you get a "OK" promt, type: KILL "Y2K.do" And then: SAVE "Y2K.ba" And finally: RUN A menu should appear, with 3 choices, Load Y2K, Unload Y2K, and Exit. If you haven't backed all your files up yet, Exit and do so now. Press 1 to load Y2K, the screen will clear, and then after a second or so, you'll (hopefully) be back at the main menu, with 2000 on your date. Run Y2K again, choose 2 to unload Y2K, don't really need it in 1998... Well that's it, hope you all enjoyed, I still cannot say if it will work on a Model 102, 200, etc. I'm sorry if it crashes, but I can't test this on every possible setup. I would enjoy some feedback, good or bad. -Jonathan ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDD236.3266B260 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Y2k.ba" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Y2k.ba" 10 CLS:PRINT"1.) Load Y2K":PRINT"2.) Unload Y2K":PRINT"3.) Exit" 20 A$=3DINKEY$:IFA$=3D""GOTO20 30 IFVAL(A$)<1ORVAL(A$)>3THENBEEP:GOTO10 40 ONVAL(A$)GOTO100,150,140 100 A=3DHIMEM:A=3DA-14:CLEAR256,A 110 = FORI=3D1TO13:READZ:CS=3DCS+Z:POKEHIMEM+I,Z:NEXT:IFCS<>1720THENPRINT"Check= sum error, reload the loader and":PRINT"try = again.":CLEAR256,HIMEM+14:END 120 A=3DHIMEM:B=3DINT(A/256):C=3DHIMEM-(B*256) 130 POKE62977,B:POKE62976,C:POKE62975,195 140 MENU 150 CLS:PRINT"Unloading = Y2K":POKE62975,201:POKE62976,0:POKE62977,0:CLEAR256,HIMEM+14:PRINT"Y2K = Unloaded":END 1000 DATA229,33,143,253,54,50,33,144,253,54,48,225,201 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BDD236.3266B260-- From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Fri Aug 28 11:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14946 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 11:00:01 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (OmVx96E5IGC5hnxMalFS0xWuWELP/dp2@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 11:00:01 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:03:38 PST To: bassclef@netcom.ca (Jennifer Jones) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Odd telcom behaviour. From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980827.200338.3F9.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:03:38 PST In-Reply-To: <199808280206.WAA04896@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, bassclef@netcom.ca writes: > Anyone experience this odd phenomena with TELCOM? This occurs when > connected to a PC running Telix in the host mode. When I shell to DOS on the > PC, the M100 craps out on return to Telix. It still works, but the > characters cease to echo at all on the M100 screen. Any idea what may be > causing this? It could be a control code being sent. Either the 100 is responding improperly, or it missed a character. Try sending a ctrl-Q from the PC. If that doesn't work, trying turning off XON/OFF handshaking on the 100 for the test. If either of these works, the 100 is missing a ^Q sent from Telix. If neither of the above worked, hook up something that has a "diagnostics" mode. This is where *all* characters are displayed, even control chars. The display will be *ugly*, but it ought to so you if any odd control or escape sequences are getting sent. BTW, are you actually calling over a phone line, or do you have the PC directly connected to the 100? There are some RS-232 signals that could cause this problem. > The problem is not Telix, because none of my other computers (PC's, Apple > II, TRS-80 4P) exhibit this behaviour. I'd like to get it fixed because I'm > doing this in preparation for accessing my PC by remote. There's an old (early 80s) program called "Remote" or "PC-Remote", or "Remote-PC". It lets you access a PC remotely using a bunch of different terminal types, including the 100. It only works with character mode apps that use BIOS or DOS writes to the screen and for keyboard access. I don't think the popular "Doorway" program will work well with the 100. And I'm rather surprised that you can shell to dos from Telix and still access the computer over the serial link. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Fri Aug 28 14:14:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16736 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 14:14:03 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 14:14:03 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 14:15:18 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA23226 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:16:57 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: ROM2/Cleuseau Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdd28e$49ee87c0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Rick, I purchased one of the ROM2/Cleuseau ROMs. As you know one of the items lost by combining the two ROMs are the neat subroutines that were included with the original ROM2. Are these documented anywhere. The reason I ask is, by the description in the manual, there were some really neat subroutines. They could be written but if you have the source somewhere it would be even better. I realize that there is probably some license/contract agreement that won't allow you to publish those. But if you have a listing/file it would be great. Thanks, Kevin From thedock@value.net Fri Aug 28 14:55:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17337 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 14:55:27 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 14:55:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA18131 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:56:40 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!) In-Reply-To: <980827.195618.9v9.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > Don't you mean "all *6* types"? > > Tandy Model 100 > Tandy Model 102 > Tandy Model 200 > NEC PC-8201 > Olivetti M-10 > Kyocera ??? You are correct, my friend. I will admit that I ignore the last two, most all ways, since there are so few around and I almost never get a call from these users. And, I have never actually had a M10 or Kyo85 in my posession and, why back when I acquireed the Traveling Software product line in 1989, they couldn't scare one up. They [Traveling Software] used to support the M10 and Kyo85 in their product line but they did admit, even back then, that they rarely received an order for those two, compaired to thousands of orders for the other three. > (I can't recall what the "model name" of the Kyocera units was, just > that they did exist) Kyo 85 > As I recall, the Kyocera units were a lot like the Tandys. I can't > remember if the Olivetti units wre like the NEC or the Tandy. As far as I can remember, I believe that they were both similar in appearance to the Model 100. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Fri Aug 28 15:25:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17741 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 15:25:56 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 15:25:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA23795 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! In-Reply-To: <001401bdd23e$a5c07220$48b9f4ce@lemmo> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Jon Schroeder wrote: > Roger, This is why I dont think people should be using this yet. You > have to assemble the source code I gave in BYTEIT, at the correct > address, on a 32k Model 100, with no other assembly programs in ram, > then do the poke commands, in the given order. I really should have > made this more clear in the first message, sorry. If this sounds like > its to much, wait till I get the BASIC loader out. -Jonathan Excellent! Now folks are starting to understand that working with machine language on a Model "T" (intel 80c85 processor) has its ... tricks! And, although cold start will "absolutely NOT" hurt the machine, in any way, they can be frustrating; especially if you don't save work in progress before you test-run. I recall MANY messages over the years about how to do this and that with machine language, and the experience is WONDERFUL when you control the machine at that level, but again, the word "cold start" is firmly embedded in your vocabulary. :-) Some folks like to keep a tape recorder connected to save work too, prior to a test, or develope the code on another computer and pipe it into the test unit via a null-modem cable for running. Then, one day, Tom Bennett, a Stanford Computer Science PhD grad developped a ROM called the ROM2/Cleuseau that changed the process of machine language programming forever -- and he developped a developers version as well for the Model 100/102 (the one we sell at Club 100) that has built in tpdd support. Tom suggests, in his documentation (which will be online soon) the book entitled: "8080A/8085 Assembly Language Programming", by Lance A. Leventhal. It used to be available from Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 2600 Tenth Street, Berkeley, CA 94710 as order $10-1 for $18.95 but you will probably have to find one at a university library or a used, technical book store, or possibly get on at eBay. Frankly, for all of you interested in machine language programming on the Model "T"s, I recommend that you contact your local university and speak to the computer sicence department head -- he/she may have a copy to sell or give you. Happy cold starting, ahhhmmm, errr... I mean happy computing! ;-) ... -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Fri Aug 28 15:43:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18069 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 15:43:23 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 15:43:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA27184; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Kevin Slater cc: Model 100 List Subject: Re: ROM2/Cleuseau In-Reply-To: <000001bdd28e$49ee87c0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Kevin Slater wrote: > Rick, I purchased one of the ROM2/Cleuseau ROMs. As you know one of the > items lost by combining the two ROMs are the neat subroutines that were > included with the original ROM2. Are these documented anywhere. The > reason I ask is, by the description in the manual, there were some > really neat subroutines. They could be written but if you have the > source somewhere it would be even better. I realize that there is > probably some license/contract agreement that won't allow you to publish > those. But if you have a listing/file it would be great. Thanks, Kevin I used to have an "original" ROM2 and the docs but for whatever reason, I have only the new docs and ROM2/Cleuseau ROM -- same as you. There is a developers set of docs that I intend to put online, as well as all the docs. The developers docs are all keyed in and putting them up is a snap but the rest of the docs are still on paper, only. Like all doc projects, it's a matter of "lots of detail time" scan, ocr, and tripple checking for errors. Since I control the docs and code I am free to put them online as a support tool and DEFINATELY will do just that. Back to the code routine question: I will ask Dr. Thomas Tracy Allen, owner of EME Systems in Berkeley, if he has those routines someplace. In fact, your message is timely since Tracy e-mailed me on the Club 100 bbs the other day that he want's to "do lunch" one day soon. We do lunch every now and again just to keep caught up. Tracy is the best of the best in all respects. I'll e-mail him back and ask about the old routines and perhaps pick them up (cross your fingers) when we get together. Thanks for calling this to my attention. -Rick- PS: The last time I did any ML programming was back in '67 at Diablo Valley College on an IBM 1401 in SPS and AutoCoder ... those were wonderful days ... we used to program some really nifty "Snoppy" and "Playmate of the month" wall handings using ASCII characters. They were sooooo cool! :-) From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Fri Aug 28 19:47:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20244 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 19:47:07 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 19:47:06 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 19:48:20 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA26309 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:50:00 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: 8085a books Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:48:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bdd2bc$d1590a40$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <9089177/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> > Tom suggests, in his documentation (which will be online > soon) the book > entitled: "8080A/8085 Assembly Language Programming", by Lance A. > Leventhal. It used to be available from Osborne/McGraw-Hill, > 2600 Tenth > Street, Berkeley, CA 94710 as order $10-1 for $18.95 but you will > probably > have to find one at a university library or a used, technical book > store, > or possibly get on at eBay. Frankly, for all of you interested in > machine > language programming on the Model "T"s, I recommend that you contact > your > local university and speak to the computer sicence department head -- > he/she may have a copy to sell or give you. > > Happy cold starting, ahhhmmm, errr... I mean happy computing! ;-) ... > -Rick @ Club 100- There is another book The 8085a Microprocessor; Software, Programming, and Architecture, 2nd ed. Barry B Brey ISBN 0-13-090804-5 PRENTICE HALL List price $93.00 If this is the same one I have (its at home and I will check when I get there) it is a very good book. It covers how the chip works and how to program it. It is very expensive, but with the availability of books on the 8085a it might be a good buy. It has a reference of all the assembly language op codes, what registers they affect and even the timing of each code. It also have several program examples. With this book and the ROM2/Cleaseau ROM you would have a very good development system for the Model 100. I will let the list know if this is not the book I have. Kevin From kwhemr@umich.edu Fri Aug 28 20:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20710 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 20:15:36 -0000 Received: from donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (smtp@141.211.63.19) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 20:15:36 -0000 Received: from joust.rs.itd.umich.edu (smtp@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.63.86]) by donkeykong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.8/4.3-mailhub) with ESMTP id QAA06222 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kwhemr@localhost) by joust.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.8.8/5.1-client) with SMTP id QAA04494 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Precedence: first-class Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kurt W. Hemr" X-Sender: kwhemr@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Historical computer books Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you are looking for old computer books, you might be interested to know that many used bookstores have put their inventories online. MXBF searches several networks of old bookstores in the USA, Canada and Europe as well as Amazon. One of the networks searched by MXBF is the Advanced Book Exchange , which so often works out for me that I often skip MXBF and go right there. MXBF and ABE are excellent sources for any books other than just-published books. Just the other day I was looking for a math book which is still in print at the bargain rate of $113.00 and found a fine copy of the most recent edition via ABE at $15 + shipping. Note that not all booksellers take (all) credit cards and sometimes they have high shipping charges. While I of course cannot vouch for each and every bookseller on the system, I have ordered from at least a dozen and never had a problem (though turnaround is not quite as quick as it is with in-stock books at Amazon). Incidentally, I just ordered a couple 8085 programming books as a result of this afternoon's discussion, and inventories on ABE do not update immediately, so don't get mad at some poor bookseller if you decide to go hunting through ABE yourself today and a bookseller reports that the book you want is no longer available. I did find several copies of the Leventhal text discussed on the list, however, so people should be able to find what they need. KWH From egabriel@io.com Fri Aug 28 20:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21192 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 20:48:56 -0000 Received: from schultz.io.com (egabriel@199.170.88.6) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 20:48:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (egabriel@localhost) by schultz.io.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28078; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:50:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: schultz.io.com: egabriel owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:50:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel To: Kevin Slater cc: Model 100 List Subject: Re: 8085a books In-Reply-To: <000101bdd2bc$d1590a40$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I purchased "Microprocessor and Microcontroller Fundamentals - The 8085 and 8051 Hardware and Software" by William Kleitz from Amazon Books, for I think around 50 dollars. It is a Prentice/Hall title, ISBN 0-13-262825-2. It has been invaluable while writing the core code in the Model T emulator I am working on. -Gabriel On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Kevin Slater wrote: > > Tom suggests, in his documentation (which will be online > > soon) the book > > entitled: "8080A/8085 Assembly Language Programming", by Lance A. > > Leventhal. It used to be available from Osborne/McGraw-Hill, > > 2600 Tenth > > Street, Berkeley, CA 94710 as order $10-1 for $18.95 but you will > > probably > > have to find one at a university library or a used, technical book > > store, > > or possibly get on at eBay. Frankly, for all of you interested in > > machine > > language programming on the Model "T"s, I recommend that you contact > > your > > local university and speak to the computer sicence department head -- > > he/she may have a copy to sell or give you. > > > > Happy cold starting, ahhhmmm, errr... I mean happy computing! ;-) ... > > -Rick @ Club 100- > > There is another book > The 8085a Microprocessor; Software, Programming, and Architecture, 2nd > ed. > Barry B Brey > ISBN 0-13-090804-5 > PRENTICE HALL > List price $93.00 > > If this is the same one I have (its at home and I will check when I get > there) it is a very good book. It covers how the chip works and how to > program it. It is very expensive, but with the availability of books on > the 8085a it might be a good buy. It has a reference of all the > assembly language op codes, what registers they affect and even the > timing of each code. It also have several program examples. With this > book and the ROM2/Cleaseau ROM you would have a very good development > system for the Model 100. > > I will let the list know if this is not the book I have. > > Kevin > From Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com Fri Aug 28 21:01:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21461 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 21:01:43 -0000 Received: from brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (208.158.176.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 21:01:43 -0000 Received: from BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com (bi01.boca.ssc.siemens.com [135.1.82.80]) by brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA28510 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 8525666E.00739BA4 ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:02:44 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SIEMENS_STROMBERG-CARLSON From: Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com To: m100@list.30below.com Message-ID: <8525666E.00689578.00@BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:09:07 -0400 Subject: Y2K Cosmetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sure is a lot of interest in a cosmetic year 20?? on the laptop Menu. The approach Jon Schroeder takes overwrites a multiple-use buffer, based solely on the real time interrupt. There's no qualification. Dysfunction comes when this buffer has something unrelated to the date display and a real time interrupt occurs. Perhaps the after effect Jon mentioned is just one manifestation. I can predict another. Using the Prev (F1) function of TELCOM, the '20' string will appear on the 6th line beginning at the 8th column. Jonathan's code has a length of 13 bytes, The assembly source below shaves away 4 bytes. Of course the comment for option2 is a joke because you'll be dead before you need this option. ;The "Jonathan Schroeder approach" with shortest code length ;Code length is 9 bytes PUSH H LXI H, '20' see option1 and option2 below SHLD FD8Fh Overwrite buffer POP H RET ; ;option1 LHLD 7DFD '20' from M100/102 standard ROM (Boot) ;option2 LHLD 7E02 '21' from M100/102 standard ROM (Boot) ; \\__ wait another 100 years to use this It may be possible to fully qualify Jon's approach by "looking back in the stack" but it would be burdensome. I'll offer a partial qualification that can go a long way toward reducing manifestations. The qualification ascertains that the buffer contains the '19' string when the real time interrupt occurs. The assembly source is below. Of course the comment for option2 is a joke because you'll be dead before you need this option. ;Partial qualification of the "Jonathan Schroeder approach" ;Code length is 23 bytes PUSH H PUSH D PUSH PSW LXI D, '19' LHLD FD8Fh RST 3 Zflag=1 if qualified JNZ EXIT: LXI H, '20' see option1 and option2 above SHLD FD8Fh Overwrite buffer EXIT: POP PSW POP D POP H RET From lemonman@toast.net Fri Aug 28 22:07:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22236 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 22:07:12 -0000 Received: from mail.toast.net (HELO MAIL01) (206.244.186.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 22:07:12 -0000 Received: from lemmo - 206.244.186.165 by toast.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:08:13 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bdd2d0$5d656ac0$a5baf4ce@lemmo> From: "Jon Schroeder" To: Subject: Re: Y2K Cosmetics Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:07:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Return-Path: lemonman@toast.net >Sure is a lot of interest in a cosmetic year 20?? on the laptop Menu. Yeah, I could have lived with the 19?? up there, besides I cold start the durn thing so much I dont even bother seting the date anymore :) > >The approach Jon Schroeder takes overwrites a multiple-use buffer, based >solely on the real time interrupt. There's no qualification. Dysfunction >comes when this buffer has something unrelated to the date display and a >real time interrupt occurs. Perhaps the after effect Jon mentioned is just >one manifestation. I can predict another. Using the Prev (F1) function of >TELCOM, the '20' string will appear on the 6th line beginning at the 8th >column. What can I say besides "Whoops!" :) Should have checked the docs to see what that address was used for. >Jonathan's code has a length of 13 bytes, The assembly source below shaves >away 4 bytes. Of course the comment for option2 is a joke because you'll >be dead before you need this option. [snip] Ahhh, yes! Modifications, I love them :) This is what I really wanted to see. I'll load your new source into the assembler and see what it does... Hmmm, option1 or 2... :) I'm afraid that this is about as far as I can take this project though, due to my limitations in assembly, and school and all (Programming courses, woohoo! :) ) Many thanks -Jonathan From root@port-34-22.access.one.net Fri Aug 28 22:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22652 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 22:28:45 -0000 Received: from port-46-46.access.one.net (HELO port-34-22.access.one.net) (root@209.50.101.252) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 22:28:45 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-34-22.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA09681 for m100@list.30below.com; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:34:02 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: Model 100 List Subject: TRS-80 Comms problems Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:52:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98082818340100.09648@port-34-22.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Hello, I am working on my TRS-80 - Linux transfer program. However, I run into a rather irritating problem. I am sending the data straight through to the /dev/cua0. That goes through a null modem and straight into my TRS-80. But the transfers never get finished, no matter what the length is. The program on my Linux box finishes sending, but my TRS-80 just sorta sits there like a moron. I've tried 200-line files, 7 lines files, it never finishes transfer. It's really anoying. Does anybody know what's wrong with this? Thanks, Kevin From oajones@bright.net Fri Aug 28 23:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23546 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 23:31:05 -0000 Received: from sparticus.bright.net (205.212.123.14) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 23:31:05 -0000 Received: from default (wav3-cs-12.dial.bright.net [205.212.155.47]) by sparticus.bright.net (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.FNG_Build) with SMTP id TAA13097; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E73D32.7B09@bright.net> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:28:51 -0400 From: oajones Reply-To: oajones@bright.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin.slater@ingrambook.com CC: Model 100 List Subject: Re: 8085a books References: <000101bdd2bc$d1590a40$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Slater wrote: > > > There is another book > The 8085a Microprocessor; Software, Programming, and Architecture, 2nd > ed. > Barry B Brey > ISBN 0-13-090804-5 > PRENTICE HALL > List price $93.00 > Hi Kevin, I bought Brey's book at a used book store for 2 bucks! I'm glad I didn't have to pay $93. I enjoy going to used book stores in my travels looking for used computer books. You never know what kind of deal is waiting there for you. I collect computer books. --Alan From sinasohn@ricochet.net Sat Aug 29 00:34:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24400 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 00:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 00:34:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w999999.longs.com ([10.24.52.165]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAD2B90 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:24:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980828173707.4367e4b4@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Variations (was: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:56 PM 8/27/98 PST, you wrote: >Don't you mean "all *6* types"? Um, isn't it 7, with the NEC PC-8300? Also, I'm not sure how closely related the PC-8401a ("Starlet") is; it's a CP/M machine with Wordstar in ROM. >Tandy Model 100 >Tandy Model 102 >Tandy Model 200 >NEC PC-8201 >Olivetti M-10 >Kyocera ??? Kyotronic K-85 > that they did exist) Yep, got one. >As I recall, the Kyocera units were a lot like the Tandys. I can't >remember if the Olivetti units wre like the NEC or the Tandy. Don't have an Olivetti, but I suspect they were probably more different than similar -- the most notable feature was (iirc) the pop-up screen (like a PX-8, I think.) I have one of each, except the 200 and the M-10. How different is the m600? I have one of those as well, but haven't had a chance to play with it. (Too many computers, too little time.) From sinasohn@ricochet.net Sat Aug 29 00:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24405 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 00:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 00:34:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w999999.longs.com ([10.24.52.165]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAE2B90 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:24:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980828173718.436777b2@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Y2K Fixed!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:45 AM 8/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >You have to assemble the source code I gave in BYTEIT, at the correct >address, on a 32k Model 100, with no other assembly programs in ram, then do >the poke commands, in the given order. Ah, okay. The pokes are just pointers to the other routine, then. I thought perhaps they were the compiled code, but looking at it in the light of day, 3 bytes isn't enough for that whole program. 8^) Sorry! >If this sounds like its to much, wait till I get the BASIC loader out. That would be totally cool, if you get to it! From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 02:02:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25562 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 02:02:06 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 02:02:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA05994; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "Kurt W. Hemr" cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Historical computer books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Great info, Kurt. Thank you. It's good to know that there are several soruces for 8085 code. Perhaps, as we move forward as a group, little by little, folks will key in and offer up various parts of these publications, such as routines, for posting in our documentation section. I am not advocating copyright violations but if the info is similar in several books, its "source ownership" is questionable and is thus -- IMHO -- worth posting. Before this [machine language programming] gets out of hand, perhaps some of you will team up and work together to provide the docs and references necessary for the activity. I will post whatever the team decides, and will gladly move any existing tech-ref files into a M/L programming reference grouping in our docs area. I am not qualified to evaluate M/L stuff but will be a grunt to helping organize the information at the web site. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 02:03:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25726 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 02:03:48 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 02:03:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA06252; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Gabriel cc: Kevin Slater , Model 100 List Subject: Re: 8085a books In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another great M/L reference. That's great. Perhaps it's time to post a book list in the docs area of our library. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 02:14:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26000 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 02:13:59 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 02:13:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA07671 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Model 100 List Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems In-Reply-To: <98082818340100.09648@port-34-22.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Kevin wrote: > Hello, I am working on my TRS-80 - Linux transfer program. However, I > run into a rather irritating problem. I am sending the data straight > through to the /dev/cua0. That goes through a null modem and straight > into my TRS-80. But the transfers never get finished... [snip] Does > anybody know what's wrong with this? Something comes to mind from the old days, Kevin. I recall that we had to generate the ^Z (end of file) from the Model 100 side to complete the transfer ... way back when. Try it. I could be way off base, but perhaps the Linux transfer program is waiting for an end-of-file marking. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 02:35:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26354 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 02:35:42 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 02:35:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id TAA10374 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Variations (was: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!)) In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980828173707.4367e4b4@ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Uncle Roger wrote: > At 07:56 PM 8/27/98 PST, you wrote: > >Don't you mean "all *6* types"? > > Um, isn't it 7, with the NEC PC-8300? Also, I'm not sure how closely > related the PC-8401a ("Starlet") is; it's a CP/M machine with Wordstar > in ROM. Hmmmm... the only thoughts on the 8300 I have is that I was "told" that it emulated the 8201. I don't know this for sure. That's all I know about the 8300, my friend. > >As I recall, the Kyocera units were a lot like the Tandys. I can't > >remember if the Olivetti units wre like the NEC or the Tandy. They were a Model 100 clone ... and, if I recall, some of them did not have a built in modem ... that's a random thought that I just pulled into my pea-sized brain. I recall that the M10 was sold in Europe and for whatever reason, there was some government thing about not having a modem. I don't know the details but perhaps someone knows the inside story. > How different is the m600? Oh my... a lot different, Uncle Roger. The 600 was a MS-DOS machine. It had to ... BOOT! Need I say more? -Rick- From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat Aug 29 11:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29889 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 11:38:51 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (bJNH66i4/AqQoFdLLb+7azf07pa/uD7T@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 11:38:51 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:28:18 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: oajones Subject: Re: 8085a books From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980828.232818.6h9.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:28:18 PST In-Reply-To: <35E73D32.7B09@bright.net> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, oajones@bright.net writes: > Kevin Slater wrote: >> >> >> There is another book >> The 8085a Microprocessor; Software, Programming, and Architecture, 2nd >> ed. >> Barry B Brey >> ISBN 0-13-090804-5 >> PRENTICE HALL >> List price $93.00 > > Hi Kevin, > I bought Brey's book at a used book store for 2 bucks! I'm glad I didn't > have to pay $93. I enjoy going to used book stores in my travels looking > for used computer books. You never know what kind of deal is waiting > there for you. I collect computer books. In my large collection of books in storage I have the old Intel book on programming the 8080/8085. I wonder if they still have them available? -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat Aug 29 11:38:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29931 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 11:38:57 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (1VYOQAPhvhU04DztL++kd4kt3JaJ+mfL@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 11:38:56 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:30:43 PST To: a2k@one.net (Kevin) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980828.233043.3C8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:30:43 PST In-Reply-To: <98082818340100.09648@port-34-22.access.one.net> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, a2k@one.net writes: > Hello, I am working on my TRS-80 - Linux transfer program. > > However, I run into a rather irritating problem. I am sending the > data straight through to the /dev/cua0. That goes through a null > modem and straight into my TRS-80. > But the transfers never get finished, no matter what the length is. > The program on my Linux box finishes sending, but my TRS-80 just > sorta sits there like a moron. I've tried 200-line files, 7 lines > files, it never finishes transfer. It's really anoying. > Does anybody know what's wrong with this? The 100 is expecting a ctrl-Z as an EOF marker. Until it receives that, it continues waiting for more characters. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat Aug 29 11:39:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29968 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 11:39:01 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (vsJb+YN8EbkbOv1AJ3h6EormZ6uj6acm@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 11:39:01 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:32:49 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Variations (was: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!)) From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980828.233249.1A1.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:32:49 PST In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980828173707.4367e4b4@ricochet.net> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, sinasohn@ricochet.net writes: > At 07:56 PM 8/27/98 PST, you wrote: >>Don't you mean "all *6* types"? > > Um, isn't it 7, with the NEC PC-8300? Also, I'm not sure how closely > related the PC-8401a ("Starlet") is; it's a CP/M machine with Wordstar in > ROM. The Starlet isn't at all "related", as being a CP/M system is has to have RAM in the low address space. And I rather suspect that the 8300 isn't very related either. >>Tandy Model 100 >>Tandy Model 102 >>NEC PC-8201 >>Olivetti M-10 > Kyotronic K-85 What these have in common is 8085 CPU, 32k ROM in low address space, 8x40 display, cassette port, printer port, serial port and built-in applications that are quite similar. To the best of my knowledge the ROMs are merely minor revisions of the same basic code. >>Tandy Model 200 The 200 had Multiplan added (which reduced max RAM to 24k) and had a 16x40 screen. As well as multiple banks of RAM (which the NEC already had. But the ROM is still *very* similar to the others. > How different is the m600? I have one of those as well, but haven't had a > chance to play with it. (Too many computers, too little time.) Very different. 8086 CPU, built-in floppy (with an odd format), no built in BASIC (it was a ROM addon for a couple of humdred bucks) and the built-in applications are an early version of Microsoft Works. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat Aug 29 11:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29992 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 11:39:04 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (zINbdarAsGF5xhYkyADTcWSMyFiiIjwN@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 11:39:04 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:42:23 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Subject: Re: Variations (was: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!)) From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980828.234223.8x3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:42:23 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, thedock@value.net writes: >> >As I recall, the Kyocera units were a lot like the Tandys. I can't >> >remember if the Olivetti units wre like the NEC or the Tandy. > > They were a Model 100 clone ... and, if I recall, some of them did not > have a built in modem ... that's a random thought that I just pulled into > my pea-sized brain. I recall that the M10 was sold in Europe and for > whatever reason, there was some government thing about not having a modem. > I don't know the details but perhaps someone knows the inside story. Even the 100 was sold without a modem in some countries. You see, at the time in most countries, the phone system was a monopoly of the goverment's post office department. And you had to get modems approved by them before you could sell them in their country. Which cost a lot and could take years. So it was likely decided that it was easier to not include the modem in models for sale in a lot of countries. Also, US and Canadain modems use Bell 103 for 300 baud. The rest of the world uses V.21. And they aren't compatible. So they'd not only have had to install a different modem chip, but they'd have had to get it approved. Oh yeah, a third problem. A lot of countries restrict the number of times a modem can call a number that doesn't answer. That would have been hell to include in the 100 or its clones. And without it, the modem couldn't be approved in those countries. BTW, I'm told that in a lot of cases, they left in the modem circuitry, and just used a ROM with all the modem support code removed. For example, I seem to recall hearing that the M100 as sold in Australia was this way. >> How different is the m600? > > Oh my... a lot different, Uncle Roger. The 600 was a MS-DOS machine. > It had to ... BOOT! Need I say more? -Rick- Nope. It didn't run MSDOS. Its "OS" was Microsoft Works! -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From mwalimu@corinthian.net Sat Aug 29 12:26:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30843 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 12:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oglethorpe.corinthian.net) (207.53.82.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 12:26:22 -0000 Received: from default (dial-c11.corinthian.net [207.53.82.111]) by oglethorpe.corinthian.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA09343 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:26:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199808291226.IAA09343@oglethorpe.corinthian.net> Reply-To: From: "chris&les" To: Subject: Assembler books Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:28:47 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My favourite is "Microcomputers and MicroProceeors" by Jeff Uffenbeck. It has the same Opcode explanation that is in the Intel Data book - very complete. Also has excellent explanations of how hardware is interfaced onto the 8080/8085/Z80 bus. I found my copy at a Salvation Army Thrift Shop for 50 cents. chris From root@port-34-22.access.one.net Sat Aug 29 14:38:34 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31858 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 14:38:33 -0000 Received: from port-42-47.access.one.net (HELO port-34-22.access.one.net) (root@209.50.101.61) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 14:38:33 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-34-22.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA11975; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:43:50 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:25:33 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: m100@list.30below.com References: <980828.233043.3C8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98082910434900.11972@port-34-22.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: >The 100 is expecting a ctrl-Z as an EOF marker. Until it receives that, >it continues waiting for more characters. No, it's not getting all of the characters. It doesn't finish getting the file. I can see this on the LCD as I capture it. If I'm sending a file from my Linux box, it will get, maybe, half way throgh the file. The linux box thinks it's done sending. The m100 has received only one half of the file. Doesn't matter if I send a ^Z or not, the Linux box is done. The m100 never gets the rest of the file sent to it. Kevin From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 16:22:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 199 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 16:22:16 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 16:22:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA16327; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com, Kevin Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems In-Reply-To: <98082823353900.10471@port-34-22.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Kevin wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, thedock@value.net wrote: > > > >Try using one of the xmodem protocol programs in our library. -Rick- > I would, but I can't get any programs on there short of typing them all > line by line! That's the whole problem. Kevin All is not lost, my friend. All the same programming at our web site is also on our bbs. Using just your Model 100 and a phone/modem cable, call 19259391246<> and log on. You will have to register while online, then after I see the registaration, I open the library to your use. There's no cost. The two step process was instituted a long time ago for some special reasons that have to do with security. After you have access, you can download programs as .do files into your 100, then log off, load the .do into basic, then save it as the same name and you will have the .ba version along with the .do version. The bbs is always up and running and is used by various members and robot model 100s in the field.. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 16:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 603 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 16:53:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA19659; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Duane@kktv.com cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 DuaneAdr@aol.com wrote: > I was wondering if there is away to connect the Model 100 to BBS to send > e-mail worldwide or connect to a Internet service. I am new at this and > just bought a Model 100 from your website. The answer to your question has two parts. The first part, "is there a way to connect..." is easy. Your Model 100 has a built in 300 baud, pulse dialing modem and supporting telcom program. With a direct/connect cable (AKA phone/modem cable) and by doing the process correctly (see Club 100 web site/Library/The Whole Enchilada/Questions, Questions, Questions/Logging onto the Club 100 BBS ... for the basic how-to details) Note: You can also use a set of acoustic couplers or an external modem at higher speeds -- with pretty good results. Once you are logged onto a "computer", the next question is "Does that computer offer a gateway e-mail service to internet addressable computers. In other words, being able to send e-mail is a normal feature of all online services, large and small, but the question is, "Can you send your messages 'beyond' that particular service or limited to within that service?" The Club 100 bbs is "limited" to mail within itself. And you may even have some privately run bbses in your area that function in the same way. However, there are host program add-ons for bbs operators that act as a gateway to the internet network via an internet service provider (ISP). In these cases, your mail will be somewhat delayed going out and coming in but it will, most of the time, work. I have another bbs here in the Club 100 computer lab that does just that. On that service we pass mail to and from an ISP in Berkeley, Holonet, in the evenings, only, to keep the phone costs down. Another option for you is to choose a "national" bbs with somewhat instant gateway service, such as Compuserve or MCI Mail. Both services allow 300 baud connections and ASCII terminal display. In years gone by, I have used both Compuserve and MCI Mail successfully. They both work well with the Model 100. I especially liked the idea that I could send an e-mail message to a sub-service of the system that would send it out a fax modem to another fax, i.e. e-mail to fax for about $2 bucks a page. Note: I just remembered that I used the e-mail to fax service of MCI Mail to send an example of this kind of service to my MBA graduate evaluators at John F. Kennedy University back in the mid 80s. It amazed them -- they didn't know it could be done -- and I was able to get the upper hand over their old way of thinking. > I would appreciate any answers you can give me.. I know that you > problably get this question asked hundreds of time. But I am a new TRS > 80 Model 100 user and would like to use my Model 100 for e-mail... My friend, answering the same question over and over again is our obligation -- our mission. It is an honor to be asked and a joy to serve. On the flip side, we appreciate those who strive to learn, research the answers and practice, then turn around and help others. This is called "leadership" and we don't have enough leadership in this world, especially from those who enfluence the most, such as ... television and newspapers. > Thanks for your time and HAVE A NICE DAY.. Please write to me at this > address: Duane@kktv.com Sincerely, Duane Calvillo I CCed your message and this reply to our listserv. Perhaps others will offer you even more choices for sending and receiving interent e-mail with your Mdoel 100. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 17:04:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 851 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 17:04:03 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 17:04:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id KAA20812 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems In-Reply-To: <98082910434900.11972@port-34-22.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Kevin wrote: > No, it's not getting all of the characters. It doesn't finish getting > the file. I can see this on the LCD as I capture it. > > If I'm sending a file from my Linux box, it will get, maybe, half way > throgh the file. The linux box thinks it's done sending. The m100 has > received only one half of the file. Doesn't matter if I send a ^Z or > not, the Linux box is done. The m100 never gets the rest of the file > sent to it. Kevin Just a thought... have you tried dropping the baud rate to 300, assuming you might be going faster. -Rick- From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 20:23:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2724 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 20:23:37 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 20:23:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA13604; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Kevin cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems In-Reply-To: <98082915115402.12073@port-34-22.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I understand and have some ideas. From your note, I believe that you know the basics of using the ac cups so I will dispense with the fundamentals. If you have the "round" cups you are more likely to succeed. The square cup modem (ac cups 2) is not as good. Since you are using a Model 100, you have the opportunity to increase the gain on the ac cups circuit. Split the case and lay your computer open. On the base side, in the upper left hand 1/4 of the motherboard you will see a blue pot with a cross hash in the top where you can place a small phillips screwdriver. Using that tool, turn the pot all the way counter clock wise until it stops then back it off a hair. Try your ac cups again. The Club 100 bbs uses Hayes 2400 baud Smartmodems without any compressions. We setteled on these years ago to raise the speed from 1200 -- which we had for years -- and to make sure that the Model 200s would be able to log on, as well as everyone else. There was a definate problem getting Model 200s to connect on other host modems. the 2400 baud Smartmodems have served us well for many years. -Rick @ Club 100- On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Kevin wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, thedock@value.net wrote: > > >All is not lost, my friend. All the same programming at our web site > >is also on our bbs. Using just your Model 100 and a phone/modem > >cable call 19259391246<> and log on. > > This presents a whole new set of problems... > > I found my acoustic coupler in the basement. I hooked it up to my m100 > and set the appropriate switches on the side. I configured it in Telcom > to use the internal modem. So, I dialed the number and hit F4. I could > hear the computers trying to talk to each other. But all I got on my > screen was garbage... the other computer eventually hung up. My > computer kept on going until I pressed F8. > > I called a local number and was unable to connect > there, either. > > I've tried it with XON/XOFF on and off. Neither works.. Thanks, Kevin From thedock@value.net Sat Aug 29 20:40:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3061 invoked from network); 29 Aug 1998 20:40:12 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 1998 20:40:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA15327; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Kevin cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kevin: Remember what I said about having to register on the bbs before you can access the library? Well, forget that noise. While having a French burger at Ann's Sunshine Cafe, today, I decided that the time has come to dispense with the bbs 2-step and just open'er up. Now, anyone logging onto the bbs for the first time has instant access to the library, just like at the web site. To heck with the security nonsense of the past. That issue was actually resolved long ago. Today, we take another step forward. -Rick @ Club 100- From vanalst@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 30 01:00:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5557 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1998 01:00:24 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.16) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 1998 01:00:24 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA09701 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:01:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ali-ca2-19.ix.netcom.com(209.110.224.83) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009695; Sat Aug 29 20:01:16 1998 From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Odd telcom behaviour. Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:13:35 GMT Message-ID: <35eca5a5.170542563@smtp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199808280206.WAA04896@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> In-Reply-To: <199808280206.WAA04896@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Anyone experience this odd phenomena with TELCOM? This occurs when >connected to a PC running Telix in the host mode. When I shell to DOS on= the >PC, the M100 craps out on return to Telix. It still works, but the >characters cease to echo at all on the M100 screen. Any idea what may = be >causing this? Explain further: "It still works..." You mean you can type on the M100 and see the result at the PC, but not at the M100 any more? Try setting up Telix for software flow control. Good luck, Van From vanalst@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 30 01:28:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5917 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1998 01:28:31 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 1998 01:28:31 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA15464 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ali-ca2-19.ix.netcom.com(209.110.224.83) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015438; Sat Aug 29 20:29:11 1998 From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Y2K Loader. Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:41:29 GMT Message-ID: <35eda76a.170995471@smtp.ix.netcom.com> References: <004501bdd257$ba3a1bc0$48b9f4ce@lemmo> In-Reply-To: <004501bdd257$ba3a1bc0$48b9f4ce@lemmo> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:44:45 -0400, you wrote: > >NOTE: This still contains the bug that screws up the date, if anyone = knows >why it >does this, feel free to fix it, and a thousand thanks if you do so Biggest problem, as was pointed out in a previous thread, is that your routine is indiscriminately poking data into a data buffer that's used for many things besides the MENU display. To do the Y2K patch right, you need to 1) hook into the timer interrupt (as you have done), 2) test to validate MENU mode, and 3) if valid, poke the century change Step 2, of course, is the hardest part. The most valid mechanism for this test involves a technique called "unwinding the stack" -- where you examine the current operating system stack for a particular signature indicating it's in MENU mode -- and proceed from there. My notes for doing this are buried very deep at the moment. If you like to gamble a bit, you might try a different "test" -- check the bytes where the '19' is supposed to be, then make the poke only if '19' is actually found. That =3Dmay=3D give you a 255*255 chance of = being right -- and is only likely to fail during crucial data backups! ;) [BTW, there's actually another level of complexity: you should really check the timer interrupt hook to see if it's already in use -- and preserve same -- before you commandeer it.] =46un stuff, this m/l, right? Cheers, Van From vanalst@ix.netcom.com Sun Aug 30 02:19:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6413 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1998 02:19:17 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 1998 02:19:17 -0000 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA04512 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:20:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ali-ca2-19.ix.netcom.com(209.110.224.83) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004501; Sat Aug 29 21:19:58 1998 From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Help with list posting! Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:32:15 GMT Message-ID: <35efb804.175246481@smtp.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46ine people, I'm obviously screwing up when I try to post to this list. The messages are making it here -- but I'm also getting at least one, and sometimes two or three, copies of the same messages bounced back as "undeliverable." I've been using m100@list.30below.com as the posting address. What should it be? Or what else might be happening to suck all this net bandwidth and server time for my measly few lines? "The answer was in plain sight, and thus eluded me." Van From james.cameron@digital.com Sun Aug 30 23:09:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13732 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1998 23:09:37 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 1998 23:09:37 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id TAA24575 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA26263; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:10:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA31265; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:10:34 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35E9DBEA.32F688A6@digital.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:10:34 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Variations (was: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!)) References: <980828.234223.8x3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leonard Erickson wrote: > BTW, I'm told that in a lot of cases, they left in the modem circuitry, > and just used a ROM with all the modem support code removed. For > example, I seem to recall hearing that the M100 as sold in Australia > was this way. Yes, this is true. The modem does work, I've used it, on direct back to back connection between two units. But the TELCOM key function for calling is not present, and the packaging box had a nice obliterating sticker over the "modem" feature. -- James Cameron (james.cameron@digital.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From benevia@wwa.com Sun Aug 30 23:36:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14048 invoked from network); 30 Aug 1998 23:36:28 -0000 Received: from hirame.wwa.com (198.49.174.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 1998 23:36:28 -0000 Received: from WWA.wwa.com(really [207.241.63.67]) by hirame.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:37:30 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #91 built 1997-Dec-8) From: "Matthew S. Whitlock" To: "Club100" Subject: NEC Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdd47f$8b0f1b00$433ff1cf@WWA.wwa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 What are the major variations between the TRS-80's and the NEC compatible(s)? Matthew From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Aug 31 05:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16870 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 05:07:37 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (+YadcmJop5nLCLw2GRDSCSEBH6Nor9L4@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 05:07:37 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:45:43 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com Subject: Re: Y2K Cosmetics From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980830.214543.5u6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:54:40 PST In-Reply-To: <8525666E.00689578.00@BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com writes: > Sure is a lot of interest in a cosmetic year 20?? on the laptop Menu. > > The approach Jon Schroeder takes overwrites a multiple-use buffer, based > solely on the real time interrupt. There's no qualification. Dysfunction > comes when this buffer has something unrelated to the date display and a > real time interrupt occurs. Perhaps the after effect Jon mentioned is just > one manifestation. I can predict another. Using the Prev (F1) function of > TELCOM, the '20' string will appear on the 6th line beginning at the 8th > column. > > Jonathan's code has a length of 13 bytes, The assembly source below shaves > away 4 bytes. Of course the comment for option2 is a joke because you'll > be dead before you need this option. > > ;The "Jonathan Schroeder approach" with shortest code length > ;Code length is 9 bytes > PUSH H > LXI H, '20' see option1 and option2 below > SHLD FD8Fh Overwrite buffer > POP H > RET > ; > ;option1 LHLD 7DFD '20' from M100/102 standard ROM (Boot) > ;option2 LHLD 7E02 '21' from M100/102 standard ROM (Boot) > ; \\__ wait another 100 years to use this > > It may be possible to fully qualify Jon's approach by "looking back in the > stack" but it would be burdensome. I'll offer a partial qualification that > can go a long way toward reducing manifestations. > > The qualification ascertains that the buffer contains the '19' string when > the real time interrupt occurs. The assembly source is below. Of course > the comment for option2 is a joke because you'll be dead before you need > this option. > > ;Partial qualification of the "Jonathan Schroeder approach" > ;Code length is 23 bytes > PUSH H > PUSH D > PUSH PSW > LXI D, '19' > LHLD FD8Fh > RST 3 Zflag=1 if qualified > JNZ EXIT: > LXI H, '20' see option1 and option2 above > SHLD FD8Fh Overwrite buffer > EXIT: POP PSW > POP D > POP H > RET I'm fairly sure that everything calls the same address when bringing up the Menu. *If* that address/routine goes thru one of the "vector" addresses in High RAM, then we could intercept it there. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Aug 31 11:00:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19138 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 11:00:53 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (+tfSLCEHDV1FKJUC6XoPiganPOeSgIvc@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 11:00:53 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:44:50 PST To: a2k@one.net (Kevin) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980830.224450.5y5.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:44:50 PST In-Reply-To: <98082910434900.11972@port-34-22.access.one.net> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, a2k@one.net writes: > On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote: > >>The 100 is expecting a ctrl-Z as an EOF marker. Until it receives that, >>it continues waiting for more characters. > > No, it's not getting all of the characters. It doesn't finish getting > the file. I can see this on the LCD as I capture it. > If I'm sending a file from my Linux box, it will get, maybe, half way > throgh the file. The linux box thinks it's done sending. The m100 > has received only one half of the file. Doesn't matter if I send a > ^Z or not, the Linux box is done. The m100 never gets the rest of > the file sent to it. Ah! Then I bet that the port on the Linux box doesn't have XON/XOFF handshaking enabled. So the 100 sends an XOFF (ctrl-S), and quits accepting input. Then when the 100 sends the XON (ctrl-Q), the Linux box has long since finished sending. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Aug 31 11:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19226 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 11:01:07 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (CHNErFnNrqYn4F0SlnL7barXzRSaqrrf@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 11:01:06 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:59:52 PST To: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Help with list posting! From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980830.225952.7q6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:59:52 PST In-Reply-To: <35efb804.175246481@smtp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, vanalst@ix.netcom.com writes: > Fine people, > > I'm obviously screwing up when I try to post to this list. The > messages are making it here -- but I'm also getting at least one, and > sometimes two or three, copies of the same messages bounced back as > "undeliverable." > > I've been using m100@list.30below.com as the posting address. What > should it be? Or what else might be happening to suck all this net > bandwidth and server time for my measly few lines? What's happening is that there are a number of bad addresses in the mailing list. And since your address is still on the "From: " line, the bounces go to *you* instead of to the list owner. Also, having the poster's address in the From line causes mailers to default to sending replies *only* to the poster, rather than to the list. It'd be *really* nice if the list-owner fixed this. At the very least, there should be a line of the form: Sender: owner-m100@list.30below.com That would both make it easier for folks like me who sort mail into different folders based on headers, and it'd make just about all mailers send bounce messages to *that* address, rather than to the poor sap who posted the message to the list. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Aug 31 11:01:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19311 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 11:01:22 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (TXkQSg+Z/HScud9kWoRiL1tAzBp/T0FO@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 11:01:22 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:06:53 PST To: benevia@wwa.com (Matthew S. Whitlock) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: NEC From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980830.230653.5N3.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:06:53 PST In-Reply-To: <01bdd47f$8b0f1b00$433ff1cf@WWA.wwa.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, benevia@wwa.com writes: > What are the major variations between the TRS-80's and the NEC > compatible(s)? Model 100 1 bank of RAM, uses double precision BCD math by default, edit programs using "EDIT " NEC PC-8201 mulitple banks of RAM, uses single precision binary floating point math by default. Edit programs on screen (like GW-BASIC) -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Mon Aug 31 14:20:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21208 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 14:20:30 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 14:20:30 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 14:21:30 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA33600 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:23:58 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: RE: 8085a books Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bdd4ea$a6728240$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9093846/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Kevin Slater wrote: > > > > > > There is another book > > The 8085a Microprocessor; Software, Programming, and > Architecture, 2nd > > ed. > > Barry B Brey > > ISBN 0-13-090804-5 > > PRENTICE HALL > > List price $93.00 > > > > Hi Kevin, > I bought Brey's book at a used book store for 2 bucks! I'm Dooooooooop. > glad I didn't > have to pay $93. I enjoy going to used book stores in my Well I am fortunate(?) I only paid $60. I tell ya, some people have all the luck. > travels looking > for used computer books. You never know what kind of deal is waiting > there for you. I collect computer books. > > --Alan From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Mon Aug 31 15:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21898 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 15:13:24 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 15:13:24 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 15:14:21 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA34161 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:16:49 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: FW: 8085a books Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bdd4f2$087c9b40$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Jack, I think you sent this only to me. I am forwarding it to the list. Kevin P.S. Quirk of the mailing list discussed earlier. -----Original Message----- From: goflo@pacbell.net [mailto:goflo@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 04:53 To: KSLATER@INGRAMBOOK.COM Subject: Re: 8085a books From: goflo@pacbell.net Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:57:24 -0700 To: kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Subject: Re: 8085a books References: <000101bdd4ea$a6728240$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone has a copy of Brey's book they'd like to sell please e-mail me. I'm NOT a collector, BTW :) Regards, Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * * End of Message * * Sent on 31-Aug-98 at 10:00:41 MA# 9097776 From thedock@value.net Mon Aug 31 15:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22077 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 15:17:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA07450 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: KUDOS!! In-Reply-To: <199808300421.AAA01598@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, Charles E. Stepp wrote: > The real security now is that our electronic communications have become > so layered and "New and Better" oriented that most onliners now don't > know how to use a simple modem comm program combination. I-S-P > Smy-S-P!!!! That's the truth! You hit that one on the head, al right. Adding to this is the term, "online" and the internet. Its use is similar to the way the word "Xerox" is used to denote making paper duplications; "I'll Canon this and give you a copy" just doesn't sound right. Is it true that people who are "online" are using a browser to surf web pages? Is it true that most have never used a COMM program or issued a Unix command to use the internet. Everyone once and awhile I receive a question wherein someone asks how to send e-mail with their Model 100. The assumption is e-mail to internet addresses, not e-mail within a service, such as Compuserve, MCI Mail, or on a local bbs. Of course, these are general statements for discussion of a general observation and may not be the actual case for various groups. However, if this is the trend, I don't believe it is bad. We enjoy more people online in the late 90s then we ever did for the entire 80s. And, just like the automobile, more people have access to information now, due to improvements in the mechanics of operations. Those of us who bend wrenches need not feel threathened by the onslaut of the masses with "different" knowledge. We didn't learn what we know, overnight, and should not expect an "overnight" from others. But perhaps it is human to feel disheartened that what we feel should be known about an area we know is somehow dismissed or mutated by new folks in "our" field. I don't have an answer ... and my coffee cup is empty, too! Alas, it's Monday morning and I jumped out of bed excited, thinking it was the 1st of September, only to discovered to my dismay that I am stuck with yet, another August day ... more coffee. -Rick- From goflo@pacbell.net Mon Aug 31 16:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22691 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 16:08:05 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 16:08:05 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-125-77.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.125.77]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id JAA19758 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35EAC95D.322B@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:03:41 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: 8085 book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone has a copy of Brey's book they'd like to sell please e-mail me. I'm NOT a collector, BTW :) Regards, Jack From root@port-31-26.access.one.net Mon Aug 31 19:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25353 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 19:44:34 -0000 Received: from port-27-38.access.one.net (HELO port-31-26.access.one.net) (root@206.112.193.135) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 19:44:34 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-31-26.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03709; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:49:01 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:48:32 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: m100@list.30below.com References: <980830.224450.5y5.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98083115485800.03706@port-31-26.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: >Ah! Then I bet that the port on the Linux box doesn't have XON/XOFF >handshaking enabled. So the 100 sends an XOFF (ctrl-S), and quits >accepting input. Then when the 100 sends the XON (ctrl-Q), the Linux >box has long since finished sending. Thank you Shadow, but erm, how do I fix this? Thanks, Kevin From charles@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com Mon Aug 31 21:22:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26302 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1998 21:22:36 -0000 Received: from telops.bdi.gte.com (@192.76.80.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1998 21:22:36 -0000 Received: by telops.bdi.gte.com id RAA05881 (GTE Telephone Operations SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m100@list.30below.com); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:23:32 -0400 Received: by telops.bdi.gte.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:23:32 -0400 From: "Charles E. Stepp" Message-Id: <199808312123.RAA03774@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com> Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:23:30 EDT In-Reply-To: <98083115485800.03706@port-31-26.access.one.net>; from "Kevin" at Aug 31, 98 3:48 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] > > > >Ah! Then I bet that the port on the Linux box doesn't have XON/XOFF > >handshaking enabled. So the 100 sends an XOFF (ctrl-S), and quits > >accepting input. Then when the 100 sends the XON (ctrl-Q), the Linux > >box has long since finished sending. > > Thank you Shadow, but erm, how do I fix this? > > Thanks, > Kevin > Use the stty command: stty ixon ixoff -ixany This is general Unix, so linux may have another twist. It is also possible that you are having a buffering problem. Character I/O from the Linux box may be being buffered and only sent in spurts. How are you actually causing the data to spew down to you? -- ____ __ ___ /\ _`\ /\ \ 813-615-0392 Home /\_ \ \ \ \/\_\\ \ \___ __ _ __\//\ \ __ ____ \ \ \/_/_\ \ _ `\ /'__`\ /\`'__\\ \ \ /'__`\ /',__\ \ \ \_\ \\ \ \ \ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \_\ \_/\ __//\__, `\ \ \____/ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ /\____\ \____\/\____/ \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/____/\/____/\/___/ ____ __ /\ _`\ /\ \__ charles@fawn11.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com \ \,\_\_\ \ ,_\ __ _____ _____ \/_\__ \\ \ \/ /'__`\/\ '__`\/\ '__`\ /\ \_\ \ \ \_/\ __/\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ `\____\ \__\ \____\\ \ ,__/\ \ ,__/ \/_____/\/__/\/____/ \ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \_\ \ \_\ 813-978-2056 Work \/_/ \/_/ From thedock@value.net Tue Sep 01 15:32:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 810 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 15:32:16 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 15:32:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA03560; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:33:08 -0700 (PDT) From: To: psexton@crosslink.net cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Club 100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 psexton@crosslink.net wrote: > I was surfing the Club 100 page to see if there was an answer to a > question I have, but I don't know whom to contact. You've come to the right place. I will throw my two cents in and perhaps others will be able to assist, as well. I've CCed your message to our listserv (see CC in header). > I have a NEC 8201 with Ultimate Rom II and I would like to connect it to > my MAcintosh. When I had a Dos machine I could always use Laplink, but > now I have no idea how to get anything into my mac. Is there a product > or way to do this? Who could I talk to? Thanks, Pam You have a few choices. 1) Go get a used 386 DOS computer and set it up with Lapdos II (which you called Laplink, and I assume you already own), and use that dedicated machine to transfer files to DOS 1.44K diskettes. Your Mac computer's operating system, assuming it's one of the newer ones, will easily read the DOS 1.44K disks. Note: Lapdos II will not run under Windows or on Pentium comptuers. 2) Since you have the Ultimate ROM II in your NEC 8201, you have the opportunity to use the DeskLink program in stead of Lapdos II. DeskLink (free at the Club 100 web site as filename DL-ARC.EXE in the library/member uploads category) runs on a DOS or Windows computer. When running, DeskLink turns the DOS/Windows computer into an emulation of a Tandy Portable Disk Drive. All a Model 100, 102, 200 or NEC PC-8201a user needs is a DOS in their laptop. And, since you have the URII chip, it contains a DOS loader that will look out to the connected tpdd/tpdd2 or DeskLink-running computer for the file DOSNEC.CO ... load it and run it. >From there, you simply use the DOS to "save or load" files to the DOS/Windows computer as if it was a tpdd. To help the cause, I placed all three versions of TS-DOS in the DL-ARC.EXE archive. The files are DOS100.CO for Model 100 and 102, DOS200.CO for Model 200, and DOSNEC.CO for the NEC PC-8201A. Note: Using this method, (and the same with Lapdos II), you may freely, easily, no-brainer, transfer all file types between machines without any conversions, i.e. .DO (ascii), .BA (tokenized basic) and .CO (machine language). 3) I am told that there is a hypercard stack available that is dedicated to file transfers between the Model 100/102/200/NEC8201 and a Mac. I will assume that it transfers only the .DO file type -- I really don't know and don't have a Mac in this lab. But the really sad part is that I have no further information about this hyper card stack since over all these years, no one ever took a moment and offered it to Club 100 for posting at their web site and bbs. Thank you for asking about file transfers between your 8201 and your Mac. I hope you will find a solution in one or so of the ideas presented by myself or others. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html Pam: Please ignore the following... it's not for your ears. I'm probably going to catch hell for this but... oh well... FYI to all readers: And, if anyone just happends to wish to help, it would be really a good idea if "how to get it to work correctly" was fully detailed ... having read threads in the listserv that there are "problems" with this hyper card stack until it's tweeked, a detailed operations file would be a nice idea. I do believe that our Mac-in-friends would really appreciate having it available. But hey, who am I to complain? I just work here. From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4006 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:42 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAI794E for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901134226.791f4f1a@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:12 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Y2K Compliancy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those with NEC laptops, check out this page to find out about y2k compatibility: http://www.nec-global.com/prod/year2000/africa/product01.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4011 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:43 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAK794E for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901135710.791fbfb2@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:13 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:23 AM 8/29/98 -0700, thedock@value.net wrote: >The bbs is always up and running and is used by various members and robot >model 100s in the field.. "robot model 100s" -- Care to explain that a bit? Sounds pretty cool! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4024 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:44 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAL794E; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:45 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901141942.791fb562@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:14 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Cc: Duane@kktv.com, m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:54 AM 8/29/98 -0700, thedock@value.net wrote: >> I was wondering if there is away to connect the Model 100 to BBS to send >> e-mail worldwide or connect to a Internet service. I am new at this and >> just bought a Model 100 from your website. [...] >Another option for you is to choose a "national" bbs with somewhat instant >gateway service, such as Compuserve or MCI Mail. Both services allow 300 And yet another option is to find an Internet ISP that offers shell accounts -- that is, you log on and use your computer (m100 or whatever) as the screen and keyboard for their internet-connected computer. You would type in Unix commands, use unix programs running on their computer, etc. There are terminal settings files for the m100 in most versions of Unix. Note that a BBS (Bulletin Board System) generally refers to a stand-alone, self-contained, self-sufficient system, regardless of whether or not it can talk to the outside world. The Club100 BBS is an example of this; there used to be many more. The internet, however, is really a conglomeration of multiple systems that can talk to each other. It's really just a big network; e-mail and the web and all that is just sort of a bonus effect. It's all becoming blurred, however, as BBS's add internet access functions and the internet gains in popularity for what used to be the province of BBS's. Where will it end? Who knows, but the ride is the fun part anyway... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4029 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:45 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAH794E for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:42 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901134628.791f36d8@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:11 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Variations (was: Data lost! (was: Y2K Fixed!!)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:36 PM 8/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Um, isn't it 7, with the NEC PC-8300? Also, I'm not sure how closely >> related the PC-8401a ("Starlet") is; it's a CP/M machine with Wordstar >> in ROM. > >Hmmmm... the only thoughts on the 8300 I have is that I was "told" that it >emulated the 8201. I don't know this for sure. That's all I know about >the 8300, my friend. Based on some quick research, I think the 8300 is pretty closely related. There's a web site at Geocities that has a memory map for both the 8201a and 8300 indicating they're the same. Unfortunately, I don't have one (yet!) so I can't say for sure. (Though a friend did just tell me he thinks I need a complete set and offered to trade me his.) btw, we now need to make it 8... I just sent off a check for an NEC PC-8201 (yep, with no "a"). It's a japanese version of the 8201a. I'll let y'all know more when I get it (if you're interested.) (This gets me a little closer to a complete set: m100, m102, PC-8201, PC-8201a, K-85. Just need the 8300, m-10, and the m200.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4037 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:45 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAJ794E for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901141952.791fb4fc@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:12 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: TRS-80 Comms problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:25 AM 8/29/98 -0400, you wrote: >If I'm sending a file from my Linux box, it will get, maybe, half way throgh the file. >The linux box thinks it's done sending. The m100 has received only one half of the file. >Doesn't matter if I send a ^Z or not, the Linux box is done. The m100 never gets the rest of the file sent to it. Sounds like you're sending it too fast. The m100 can't keep up, and the data gets lost. What speed are you transmitting at? Are you using Telcom, or a custom program? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4053 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:46 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAO794E for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901142805.791fc1d4@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:16 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: KUDOS!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:18 AM 8/31/98 -0700, you wrote: >But perhaps >it is human to feel disheartened that what we feel should be known about >an area we know is somehow dismissed or mutated by new folks in "our" >field. I feel that the changes we are besieged by are what makes this (or any) business fun -- those of us that have been around longer just understand the changes better, can see the bigger picture, and therefore can enjoy it even more. I think back to the early 80's and Fidonet and CI$ and all that, and then look at internet e-mail and the web and the possibilities that lay before us, and I feel like I did when I was a kid in June on the last day of school... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4080 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:48 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAM794E for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:45 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901141800.791f4066@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:14 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Help with list posting! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:32 AM 8/30/98 GMT, you wrote: >I'm obviously screwing up when I try to post to this list. The >messages are making it here -- but I'm also getting at least one, and >sometimes two or three, copies of the same messages bounced back as Nah, you're doing it right, it's just that there are a few people who were subscribed in the past, but have since cancelled their accounts without unsubscribing. So, every time you send a message to the list, the list tries to send it to them, the message bounces, and because your address is in the "From:" header, you get the bounce message. Better, probably, then if they were sent to the list, where they would be sent to everyone, including the cancelled accounts, thus causing another bounce message, which would be sent to everyone... Best would be if they were unsubscribed, but I think Merch would have to do that and I think he's swamped these days. Hmmm... I suppose if I weren't so lazy, I could get the offending addresses, go to the sign-up web page and unsubscribe them... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Tue Sep 01 21:53:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4107 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1998 21:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1998 21:53:54 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAN794E for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:44:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980901142317.791f4c72@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:58:15 -0700 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: NEC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:06 PM 8/30/98 PST, you wrote: >> What are the major variations between the TRS-80's and the NEC > >Model 100 1 bank of RAM, uses double precision BCD math by default, > edit programs using "EDIT " Has 8 function keys. Arrow keys in a straight line, like the function keys. >NEC PC-8201 mulitple banks of RAM, uses single precision binary > floating point math by default. Edit programs on screen (like > GW-BASIC) Has 5 function keys (iirc), arrow keys in a logical square. has an expansion port. Case is more wedge shaped. Hmmm... Is this info on a web page somewhere? I seem to recall a page that compared them all; I'll have to do some web-research. If it doesn't exist, I'll put it up on my site. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Wed Sep 02 21:47:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14999 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 21:47:40 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 21:47:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA29656; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:48:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:48:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: Uncle Roger cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980901141942.791fb562@ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII <<>Another option for you is to choose a "national" bbs with somewhat instant >gateway service, such as Compuserve or MCI Mail. Both services allow 300 And yet another option is to find an Internet ISP that offers shell accounts -- that is, you log on and use your computer (m100 or whatever) as the screen and keyboard for their internet-connected computer. You would type in Unix commands, use unix programs running on their computer, etc. There are terminal settings files for the m100 in most versions of Unix.>> Hi, my first post here. That might be kind of hard... I've been looking for a while for an ISP that just offers shell accounts (and for ones that offer shell accounts as part of a PPP account) so i could get all my olde home and portable computers on the net for mail and once in a while telnetting, but none of the ISPs where I am (mass) have shell accounts anymore for "security reasons" They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) If anyone know of any national ISPs that have a local # in Mass, tell me James From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Wed Sep 02 21:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15190 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 21:53:17 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 21:53:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA00536 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:54:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Question on Tandy PC-* series Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, I know this isn't technically an M100 question... But my NNTP server is down and I thought this would be a good place to ask. Does anyone know of any web pages (or ftp/gopher FAQ sites) with info on the Tandy Pocket COmputers? I've been thinking about getting one, but I'd like to know what it's features/capabilities are. So if anyone has any info, or is selling one, I would be happy if they posted here and/or mailed me Thanks James From rcc@ziplink.net Wed Sep 02 22:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15432 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 22:08:02 -0000 Received: from fw2.iris.com (HELO chrysalis.iris.com) (198.112.211.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 22:08:02 -0000 Received: from ziplink ([9.95.79.28]) by chrysalis.iris.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) with SMTP id 85256673.0079D6F8; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:10:48 -0400 X-Mailer: BeyondMail for Windows/Professional 2.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit To: James Mondor From: Richard Crisafulli Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:11:26 -0700 X-BeyondMail-Priority: 1 Message-Id: Conversation-Id: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: Richard Crisafulli Cc: m100@list.30below.com > From: James Mondor , on 9/2/98 6:01 PM: > That might be kind of hard... > I've been looking for a while for an ISP that just offers shell accounts James, Check out http://www.world.std.com/ as they do have shell accounts. They are located in Newton,MA but have local access numbers all over the state. Also, if you go to http://www.thelist.com you can compare ISP's and see which provide the best price and/or shell accounts. Good luck! Rich "On the road of life, there are M100's and there are laptops. M100's wanted" From thedock@value.net Wed Sep 02 22:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15938 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 22:48:39 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 22:48:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id PAA09085 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > Hi, my first post here. Welcome aboard. > That might be kind of hard... I've been looking for a while for an ISP > that just offers shell accounts... [snip] I'm hearing similar reports. I use ValueNet in Walnut Creek, CA. My contact and good friend is the marketing director, Bruce Campbell. his e-mail address is: bclite@value.net And for you html junkies out there... bclite@value.net Bruce may know where you can find shell account providers or may even have some local-number support to Value Net. You never know until you ask. Tell him I sent you so he'll know right away that you are a trouble maker... ahhhmmm.... errr.... I mean so that he will know you're a Club 100 friend. > They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) Good shot... soooooo true! > If anyone know of any national ISPs that have a local # in Mass, tell me > James I would like to know, too. -Rick @ Club 100- From root@port-32-15.access.one.net Wed Sep 02 22:52:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16113 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 22:52:25 -0000 Received: from port-50-38.access.one.net (HELO port-32-15.access.one.net) (root@206.112.203.186) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 22:52:25 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-32-15.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05263; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:56:49 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: James Mondor Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:54:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: m100@list.30below.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98090218564500.05231@port-32-15.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: >They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) Hmm no not really... Many ISPs still use Linux or BSD but don't offer shell accounts because it IS a security risk.. people run eggdrops, bounce through them to crack, etc. Unfortunate, but true. My former ISP stopped allowing people under 18 (!!!) to use the shell machine... you needed proof of D.O.B. to use it.. (I'm 15) so I set up my own shell machine, a RHL 5.1 box... and I dropped that ISP because they were quite anoying anyway :) Kevin From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Wed Sep 02 22:59:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16341 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 22:59:32 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 22:59:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA09056 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:00:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Richard Crisafulli wrote: > > From: James Mondor , on 9/2/98 6:01 PM: > > That might be kind of hard... > > I've been looking for a while for an ISP that just offers shell accounts > > James, > Check out http://www.world.std.com/ as they do have shell accounts. > They are located in Newton,MA but have local access numbers all > over the state. > Also, if you go to http://www.thelist.com you can compare ISP's and see > which provide the best price and/or shell accounts. Good luck! > > Rich > > "On the road of life, there are M100's and there are laptops. M100's wanted" > Thanks for the help James From goflo@pacbell.net Wed Sep 02 23:04:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16539 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 23:04:21 -0000 Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (206.13.28.53) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 23:04:21 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-125-23.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.125.23]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id QAA10603; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35EDCCA3.16CE@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:54:27 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Mondor CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Question on Tandy PC-* series References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi James I'm interested in those guys too. Perhaps you would pass along anything that does'nt show up on the list? TIA, Jack James Mondor wrote: > Does anyone know ... of any web pages (or ftp/gopher FAQ sites) with info > on the Tandy Pocket COmputers? I'd like to know ... what it's > features/capabilities are. From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Wed Sep 02 23:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16604 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 23:04:37 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 23:04:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA09815 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:05:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII <<> They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) Good shot... soooooo true!>> Yeah, we have a dual-band IS From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Wed Sep 02 23:08:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16876 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 23:08:22 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 23:08:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10750; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:09:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:09:12 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: Kevin cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <98090218564500.05231@port-32-15.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Kevin wrote: > > >They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) > > Hmm no not really... Many ISPs still use Linux or BSD but don't offer shell accounts because it IS a security risk.. people run eggdrops, bounce through them to crack, etc. > Unfortunate, but true. My former ISP stopped allowing people under 18 (!!!) to use the shell machine... you needed proof of D.O.B. to use it.. (I'm 15) so I set up my own shell > machine, a RHL 5.1 box... and I dropped that ISP because they were quite anoying anyway :) > > Kevin > ::GASP:: You mean people hack into ISPs?!?! The hell you say! I wouldn't know anything at all about hacking or Unix, what's that? ;) hehehe, I have a DX/4 running Slackware... unfortunately it's not *technically* mine, yet. but she will be mine, oh yes James, right now running Windoze95 on a DX2 w/ 8megs o ram [and wishing he wasn't] From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Wed Sep 02 23:17:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17135 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 23:17:53 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 23:17:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA11884 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:18:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:18:48 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > <<> They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) > > Good shot... soooooo true!>> > > Yeah, we have a dual-band IS > > Duh! sorry, this shouldn't have gone out. I have a really slow, and bad telnet shell account... And Pine doesn't like my crappy connection i guess It should be: I know first hand... my school recently downgraded to a crappy program called Winschool (two version, one that uses a local database... and one that uses the system-wide data base on a Con-paq NT4.0 server) We've had SOO many problems with NT and Winschool, and our ISP I wish our school would get a good consultant... I have to fix all of his screw ups (he's the friend of the administrators, who are totally inept at everything electronic), And i'm not even on payroll :( I would get equipment as compensation (and sometimes i do, but only if the teachers own the stuff themselves) but the town manager is evil and won't let me 'liberate' anything (we have closets full of olde XTs, Hardcards, Commodores, Macs, and such) oh well BTW: don't buy a con-paq, our server dies a week and a half after we bought it... and it took them a month to come and fix the ONE (easy to fix) componant that was broken James arg From root@port-32-15.access.one.net Wed Sep 02 23:55:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17715 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1998 23:55:41 -0000 Received: from port-50-38.access.one.net (HELO port-32-15.access.one.net) (root@206.112.203.186) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1998 23:55:41 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-32-15.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA05322; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:00:17 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: James Mondor Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:59:42 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: m100@list.30below.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98090220001600.05319@port-32-15.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: >::GASP:: You mean people hack into ISPs?!?! No, I mean people CRACK into ISPs. BIG difference. From cameron@stl.dec.com Thu Sep 03 00:03:47 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17959 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:03:46 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:03:46 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id UAA21750; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA00261; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:04:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA07262; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:04:02 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35EDDCF2.ED00AF54@stl.dec.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:04:02 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: James Mondor Cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Mondor wrote: > BTW: don't buy a con-paq, our server dies a week and a half after we > bought it... and it took them a month to come and fix the ONE (easy to > fix) componant that was broken. G'day James, this is James. Nice name that. I work for Compaq now so I'm quite interested in helping to fix this perception that our services are inadequate. Can you give me further details? The serial number of the unit might help, as well as the name of your school and it's business address. Was this in the past couple of months? Compaq purchased Digital Equipment Corporation, and our services are very good ... well, I think so 'cause I provide them as well. ;-) I can't advise on Microsoft Windows NT performance, because I never use it, but Linux works fine on the Compaq machines I have used. Red Hat 4.2, 5.0 and 5.1 all work without significant difficulty. Unfortunately, http://www.cashlink.co.nz/winschool/winschoo.htm suggests the software your school is using does not support Linux. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com Thu Sep 03 00:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18118 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:04:59 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:04:59 -0000 Received: from snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com (snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com [16.172.128.251]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id UAA15605; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:04:05 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harry Woodward-Clarke To: "'m100 Listserver'" Cc: "'James Mondor'" Subject: RE: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:04:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain G'day James, I must say that the hassles you're having with your school's choice of hardware and software is not unique. A friend of mine is at High School here in Oz, and he too is often in the computer lab fixing stuff. Well, he and a couple of other clued friends. A pity about the Operating System; I admit that my choices would be either FreeBSD or Linux over 'Lose/NT'. Anyway, what caught my attention was your 'sound bite' below... > BTW: don't buy a con-paq, our server dies a week and a half after we > bought it... and it took them a month to come and fix the ONE (easy to > fix) componant that was broken > Until earlier this year, I worked for Digital Equipment Corp., that is until they were bought out by 'con-paq' ;') Now, I'm located in Australia, but I would like to help you (and your school) if I can. Although I won't be able to come out personally and fix the situation, I may be able to make some waves internally and perhaps get you guys some (better) service. No promises, especially as I'm on the other side of the planet, but you never know... ;') Can you get back to me on some details like your school name (and address), the Server Model Number, when it was purchased (rough date), where it was purchased, and which Compaq Service Centre (i.e which town/city) sent the engineer out to fix the machine last time it was broken? Hope I can help, Harry Harry Woodward-Clarke E-mail - Harry.Woodward-Clarke@DIGITAL.com DTN - 730-5445 Indial - [+61] (02) 9561 5445 AP/SPT GSO Logistics Support Analyst +-+-+-+-+-+-+ |c|o|m|p|a|q| +-+-+-+-+-+-+ |c|omputer +-+ |c|orporation +-+ From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 00:13:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18362 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:13:53 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:13:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17156; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:14:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:14:32 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: Kevin cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <98090220001600.05319@port-32-15.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Kevin wrote: > On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > > >::GASP:: You mean people hack into ISPs?!?! > > No, I mean people CRACK into ISPs. BIG difference. > Not necessarily... I hack into my districts network regually to make sure it's tight. If they go destroying something on the other hand... James From cameron@stl.dec.com Thu Sep 03 00:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18562 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:17:51 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:17:51 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id UAA21353; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA00658; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:18:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA07343; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:18:22 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35EDE04E.3F69AC3@stl.dec.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:18:22 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: James Mondor Cc: Kevin , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Mondor wrote: > On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Kevin wrote: > > On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > > >::GASP:: You mean people hack into ISPs?!?! > > No, I mean people CRACK into ISPs. BIG difference. > Not necessarily... I hack into my districts network regually to make > sure it's tight. Ah, I see a definition problem. In my lexicon, and Kevin's, from memory ... to hack is good, to crack is bad. In the years that I developed my skills, a hacker was an expert in computers, and quite ethical. The media has distorted this meaning. And from the dictionary server ... % webster hack 1. hack \'hak\ vb [ME hakken, fr. OE -haccian; akin to OHG haccho-n to hack,] OE ho-c hook 1a: to cut with repeated irregular or unskillful blows 1b: to sever with repeated blows 2: to clear by cutting away vegetation 3: to kick the shins of (an opposing player) in rugby 1: to make cutting blows or rough cuts : CHOP 2: to cough in a short dry manner 3a: to kick at a rugby opponent's shins deliberately 3b: to strike or hold the arm of a basketball opponent with the hand - hack.er n 2. hack n 1: an implement for hacking 2: NICK, NOTCH; esp : a blaze cut in a tree 3: a short dry cough 4: a hacking blow 5: a kick on the shins in rugby 6: restriction to quarters as punishment for naval officers 3. hack n [short for hackney] 1a1: a horse let out for common hire 1a2: a horse used in all kinds of work 1b: a horse worn out in service : JADE 1c: a light easy saddle horse; esp : a three-gaited saddle horse 2a: HACKNEY 2b1: TAXICAB 2b2: CABDRIVER 3: one who forfeits individual freedom of action or professional integrity in exchange for wages or other assured reward; esp : a writer who works mainly for hire 4. hack aj 1: working for hire 2: performed by, suited to, or characteristic of a hack 3: HACKNEYED, TRITE 5. hack vt 1: to make trite and commonplace by frequent and indiscriminate use 2: to use as a hack 1: to ride or drive at an ordinary place or over the roads as distinguished from racing or riding across country 2: to operate a taxicab % webster crack 1. crack \'krak\ vb [ME crakken, fr. OE cracian; akin to Skt jarate it crackles -m more at CRANE 1: to make a very sharp explosive sound in or as if in breaking 2: to break without parting 3: FAIL : as 3a: to lose control or effectiveness under pressure 3b: to fail in tone {voice ~ed} 3c: to smash up a vehicle esp. by losing control {~ed up on a curve} 4: to go at a good speed; specif : to proceed under full sail or steam 5: to break up into simpler compounds usu. as a result of heating 1a: to break so that fissures appear on the surface 1b: to break with a sudden sharp sound {~ nuts} 2a: to utter esp. suddenly or strikingly {~ a joke} 2b: EXTOL, PRAISE {wasn't all it was ~ed up to be} 3: to strike with a sharp noise : RAP 4: to put on (as full speed) 5a1: to open (as a bottle) for drinking 5a2: to open (a book) for studying 5b: to puzzle out and solve or reveal the mystery of {~ a code} 5c: to break into {~ a safe} 5d: to break through (as a barrier) so as to gain acceptance or recognition 6a: to impair seriously or irreparably : WRECK {~ a car up} 6b: to destroy the tone of (a voice) 6c: DISORDER, CRAZE 6d: to interrupt sharply or abruptly 7: to cause to make a sharp noise 8a1: to subject (hydrocarbons) to cracking 8a2: to produce by cracking 8b: to break up (chemical compounds) into simpler compounds by means of heat 2. crack n 1: a sudden sharp noise dial chiefly Brit 2a: TALK, GOSSIP 2b: a sharp witty remark : QUIP 3a: a narrow break : FISSURE 3b: a narrow opening 4a: a weakness or flaw caused by decay, age, or deficiency : UNSOUNDNESS 4b: a broken tone of a voice 4c: CRACKPOT 5: MOMENT, INSTANT 6: HOUSEBREAKING, BURGLARY 7: a sharp resounding blow 8: ATTEMPT, TRY 3. crack aj : of superior excellence or ability -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 00:20:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18752 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:20:42 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:20:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17747; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:20:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: James Cameron cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <35EDDCF2.ED00AF54@stl.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, James Cameron wrote: > James Mondor wrote: > > BTW: don't buy a con-paq, our server dies a week and a half after we > > bought it... and it took them a month to come and fix the ONE (easy to > > fix) componant that was broken. > > G'day James, this is James. Nice name that. > > I work for Compaq now so I'm quite interested in helping to fix this > perception that our services are inadequate. Can you give me further > details? The serial number of the unit might help, as well as the name > of your school and it's business address. > > Was this in the past couple of months? Compaq purchased Digital > Equipment Corporation, and our services are very good ... well, I think > so 'cause I provide them as well. ;-) > > I can't advise on Microsoft Windows NT performance, because I never use > it, but Linux works fine on the Compaq machines I have used. Red Hat > 4.2, 5.0 and 5.1 all work without significant difficulty. > > Unfortunately, http://www.cashlink.co.nz/winschool/winschoo.htm suggests > the software your school is using does not support Linux. > > -- > James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) > Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 > Top o' the evening to you :) Mo winschool doesn't work on Linux... I was aware of that. :( I LOVE(d) DEC!!! I have a Rainbow, and i belong to DECUS. I wanted to get an Alpha... but they are very expensive (hey, the fastest machine i own is a DX2) On the other questions, i can tell you tomorrow James "NT sucks" :P From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 00:26:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18989 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:26:43 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:26:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA18409; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:26:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: James Cameron cc: Kevin , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <35EDE04E.3F69AC3@stl.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII <> [BIG snips] Yeah, we're olde school... Remember calling bbses on a coco? (dumb question) :) Poor bbses, all but about 5 in my entire area code have any message traffic at all :( James Older is Better From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 00:40:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19308 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:40:35 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:40:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA20390 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:41:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:41:27 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: M100 ListServ Subject: Irc question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was wondering... Since most of my mails have been answered within a few mins. (tonight, anyways), Is there a Club 100 irc channel? Yeah, i know... some IRC conversations degrade into something completely different, but i'm just asking :) James Ni! From root@port-32-15.access.one.net Thu Sep 03 00:43:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19491 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:43:17 -0000 Received: from port-50-38.access.one.net (HELO port-32-15.access.one.net) (root@206.112.203.186) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:43:17 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-32-15.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA05358; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:47:53 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: James Mondor Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:45:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: m100@list.30below.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98090220475100.05355@port-32-15.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: >Not necessarily... I hack into my districts network regually to make sure >it's tight. >If they go destroying something on the other hand... Ditto - I regularly do the same thing on my machine. I keep up with the exploits on rootshell and patch them on my own system. A friend and I run a Network Security Consulting service.. People wouldn't "hack" into their ISPs - you don't go and look for security holes in *my* system without permission, just as I don't go and look for the same in *yours*. They would "crack" into them. Cracking is malicious. Hacking is exploring and becoming so obsessed with a system to the point of distraction. Again, totally different. Kevin From cameron@stl.dec.com Thu Sep 03 00:45:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19662 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:45:27 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:45:27 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id UAA21312 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA01512 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:46:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA07569; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:46:12 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35EDE6D3.1371C5EF@stl.dec.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:46:11 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: M100 ListServ Subject: Re: Irc question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Mondor wrote: > I was wondering... Since most of my mails have been answered within a > few mins. (tonight, anyways), Is there a Club 100 irc channel? Harry and I use IRC quite a bit, but only inside the corporation, and for a mix of business and non-business reasons. I manage the local IRC server. I can use IRC outside, but I prefer not to. I haven't seen an IRC channel for Club 100, and I doubt whether it would be useful, unless there was some specific project in progress that could be assisted by more rapid communication. The ircII client on Linux can be configured to run (using /etc/termcap entries) in a Model 100 terminal mode. A Model 100 then becomes a reasonable IRC window. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 00:47:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19839 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:47:19 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:47:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21161; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:48:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:48:11 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: Kevin cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <98090220475100.05355@port-32-15.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Kevin wrote: > On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > > >Not necessarily... I hack into my districts network regually to make sure > >it's tight. > >If they go destroying something on the other hand... > Ditto - I regularly do the same thing on my machine. I keep up with the exploits on rootshell and patch them on my own system. A friend and I run a Network Security > Consulting service.. That's pretty cool > People wouldn't "hack" into their ISPs - you don't go and look for security holes in *my* system without permission, just as I don't go and look for the same in *yours*. > They would "crack" into them. Cracking is malicious. Hacking is exploring and becoming so obsessed with a system to the point of distraction. I agree completely > Again, totally different. > > Kevin > James who just downloaded an AOL pUnt3r AnD 1S tH3 mAst3R HacK3r! NT 0wnz! oops, sorry... ;) Rambler, the coice of the Mod generation From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 00:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20031 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:51:02 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:51:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21434; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:50:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: James Cameron cc: M100 ListServ Subject: Re: Irc question In-Reply-To: <35EDE6D3.1371C5EF@stl.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, James Cameron wrote: > James Mondor wrote: > > I was wondering... Since most of my mails have been answered within a > > few mins. (tonight, anyways), Is there a Club 100 irc channel? > > Harry and I use IRC quite a bit, but only inside the corporation, and > for a mix of business and non-business reasons. > > I manage the local IRC server. > > I can use IRC outside, but I prefer not to. > > I haven't seen an IRC channel for Club 100, and I doubt whether it would > be useful, unless there was some specific project in progress that could > be assisted by more rapid communication. > > The ircII client on Linux can be configured to run (using /etc/termcap > entries) in a Model 100 terminal mode. A Model 100 then becomes a > reasonable IRC window. > > -- > James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) > Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 > eh... I like ircII, but having more than one channel open at once is kind of, odd. :) And as I said I don't have a dial-up shell account (actually, I joined the list prematurely. I haven't gotten my M100 yet) James From root@port-32-15.access.one.net Thu Sep 03 00:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20192 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:51:42 -0000 Received: from port-50-38.access.one.net (HELO port-32-15.access.one.net) (root@206.112.203.186) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:51:41 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-32-15.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA05363; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:56:16 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: James Mondor Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:49:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Kevin , m100@list.30below.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98090220561502.05355@port-32-15.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: H'lo, James >Yeah, we're olde school... >Remember calling bbses on a coco? (dumb question) :) I do. I'm only 15, but my first machine was a TRS-80 CoCo. I loved that machine. Spent all day playing Space Assault and hmm what was the oil-drilling cart? *REAL* computer's disk drives have their own power supply... :) My beloved machine's drive (2 in 1 box) weighed 25 lbs... olde school all the way! >Poor bbses, all but about 5 in my entire area code have any message >traffic at all :( Yes... You may be interested, I run a newsletter called "Yesterday's Computers".... it's a print newsletter, I can mail you (or anyone else) a copy of the latest edition... it's quite neat I think. Only 1 page, 2 columns... focuses on Spectrum, TRS-80, Osbourne, Amiga, C64/128, anything that isn't being dominated by Microcrap. Anyway, I'm starting a BBS in the 513 area soon... when I get all my computers modem equipped, they will run on a schedule: Monday: Amiga Tuesday: TRS-80 Wednesday: C64 Thursday: UNIX Friday: Spectrum Saturday: Some CP/M machine (prob. Osbourne) Sunday: Requests / some other machine I get Call on whatever day and you'll get the computer listed. Each machine will have a comprehensive file archive (hopefully) and the UNIX machine and Amiga will have all files on them.... Number is +1 011 513 575 5796 (I think that's how you dial it-- it's USA, 513 area code, 575 exchange, 5697 number) I remember when it took about 3 pages to list all the BBSs in my area... I looked in a CinciComputer User periodical the other day and there were 5 BBSs listed. Sad times indeed. I hope that the Internet is only a fad that will wear off soon and BBSs can return to their former glory... *sniff* Kevin From root@port-32-15.access.one.net Thu Sep 03 00:54:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20377 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:54:15 -0000 Received: from port-50-38.access.one.net (HELO port-32-15.access.one.net) (root@206.112.203.186) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:54:15 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-32-15.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA05368 for m100@list.30below.com; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:58:59 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: M100 ListServ Subject: IRC Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:57:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98090220585904.05355@port-32-15.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Hmm since everone seems to be very interested in talking in IRC, I have set up #TRS-80 on EffNEt (irc.ais.net) I might put up a bot if many people show up. Kevin P.S. My nick is LordTyran or XXiLE From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 00:58:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20568 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 00:58:23 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 00:58:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA22342; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:59:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:59:06 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: Kevin cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <98090220561502.05355@port-32-15.access.one.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Kevin wrote: > On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > > H'lo, James > >Yeah, we're olde school... > >Remember calling bbses on a coco? (dumb question) :) > I do. I'm only 15, but my first machine was a TRS-80 CoCo. I loved that machine. Spent all day playing Space Assault and hmm what was the oil-drilling cart? > *REAL* computer's disk drives have their own power supply... :) My beloved machine's drive (2 in 1 box) weighed 25 lbs... olde school all the way! > > >Poor bbses, all but about 5 in my entire area code have any message > >traffic at all :( > > Yes... You may be interested, I run a newsletter called "Yesterday's Computers".... it's a print newsletter, I can mail you (or anyone else) a copy of the latest edition... it's quite > neat I think. Only 1 page, 2 columns... focuses on Spectrum, TRS-80, Osbourne, Amiga, C64/128, anything that isn't being dominated by Microcrap. I was thinkning of doing that, maybe in electronic form and only in print semi-annually (not many people around here like computers at all never mind the vintage stuff) > Anyway, I'm starting a BBS in the 513 area soon... when I get all my computers modem equipped, they will run on a schedule: > > Monday: Amiga > Tuesday: TRS-80 > Wednesday: C64 > Thursday: UNIX > Friday: Spectrum > Saturday: Some CP/M machine (prob. Osbourne) > Sunday: Requests / some other machine I get Which Amiga? Have you upgraded the C64 at all? > Call on whatever day and you'll get the computer listed. Each machine will have a comprehensive file archive (hopefully) and the UNIX machine and Amiga will have > all files on them.... > > Number is +1 011 513 575 5796 (I think that's how you dial it-- it's USA, 513 area code, 575 exchange, 5697 number) > > I remember when it took about 3 pages to list all the BBSs in my area... I looked in a CinciComputer User periodical the other day and there were 5 BBSs listed. Yeah, me too... My area used to be big on bbsing > Sad times indeed. > > I hope that the Internet is only a fad that will wear off soon and BBSs can return to their former glory... *sniff* I don't think so, my friend. Most "normal people" ;) don't even want the net, they just want to get on the Web. Wasting our precious bandwith, and blaspheming against the beautiful thing the internet used to be :( > Kevin > James the Purist Hug a Commodore From gehring@shaw.wave.ca Thu Sep 03 03:53:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22239 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca (HELO norquay.tor.shaw.wave.ca) (24.64.63.48) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from gehringf.wave.shaw.ca ([24.64.181.110]) by norquay.tor.shaw.wave.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA6489 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:55:28 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980902234622.007b6510@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> X-Sender: gehring@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:46:22 -0400 To: m100@list.30below.com From: "Henry Gehring" Subject: Termcap File Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is there a termcap file which is meant for the M100 in standard unix distro's or do I have to ask the sysadmin to add one? I am not having much luck with Vt100 as it locks up my connection when I use the emulator for the M100. I would rather just use the M100 in its native mode and the the server do the terminal emulation. If anyone has any info on this, let me know. Thanks! - Mike Gehring From Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com Thu Sep 03 04:06:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22497 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 04:06:33 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 04:06:33 -0000 Received: from snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com (snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com [16.172.128.251]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id AAA13898; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:07:10 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harry Woodward-Clarke To: m100@list.30below.com Cc: "'Henry Gehring'" Subject: RE: Termcap File Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:07:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mike, >Is there a termcap file which is meant for the M100 in standard unix >distro's or do I have to ask the sysadmin to add one? I am not having much typically you need to ask the Unix SysMangler to add the M100 termcap entry. This is (iirc) a fairly easy thing to actually do, but sometimes difficult in convincing them to play with the termcap. Below is a termcap that was distributed at some stage in the past. Perhaps it should be plonked on the Model-T web site? I just had a look around there, and couldn't see it. There is also some other interesting info below - have a read through it. I don't understand it all, but between us all, I'm sure we can come up with something to get you sorted out :') Hope this helps, Harry > TERMCAP > M1|m100|PC-8201A|TRS-80 Model 100:\ > :al=1*\EL:am:bl=^G:bs:bw:\ > :cd=\EJ:ce=\EK:cl=\Ej:cm=\EY%+ %+ :co#40:cr=^M:\ > :dl=1*\EM:do=\EB:ho=\EH:is=\EU\EW\Eq:\ > :kb=^H:kd=^_:kl=^]:kr=^\:ku=^^:le=\ED:li#8:\ > :mi:ms:nd=\EC:nl=^J:pt:se=\Eq:so=\Ep:sr=\EI:\ > :ta=^I:up=\EA:vs=\EU:xt: > > TERMINFO > m100|PC-8201A|Radio Shack Model 100, > am,bel=^G,civis=\EQ,clear=\EE,cnorm=\EP,cols#40,cr=^M, > cub1=\ED,cud1=\EB,cuf1=\EC,cup=\EY%p1%' '%+%c%p2%' '%+%c,cuu1=\EA, > > dl1=\EM,ed=\EJ,el=\EK,home=\EH,il1=\EL,ind=^J,kbs=^H, > kcub1=^],kcud1=^_,kcuf1=^\,kcuu1=^^, > lines#8,msgr,nel=^J,ri=\EI,rmso=\Eq,smso=\Ep,xon,xt, > > > ---- Included Messages ---- > > # termcap for the radio shack model 100 computer running its > # built-in terminal emulator. The termcap entry was prepared at Microsoft > > # as was the model 100's standard software. > # escape A cursor up > # escape B cursor down > # escape C cursor right > # escape D cursor left > # escape E clear screen and home cursor > # e H home cursor > # e J erase to end of screen > # e K erase to end of line > # e L insert line > # e M delete line > # e P turn off cursor > # e Q turn on cursor > # e T set system line? > # e U reset system line? > # e V turn off LCD ? > # e W turn on LCD ? > # e Y row/col cursor motion > # e j clear screen don't move cursor > # e l erase line don't move cursor > # e p begin rev video > # e q end rev video > # e del change char under cursor to space > MZ|m100|trs100|TRS100|radio shack model 100:\ > :am:bs:le=^H:li#8:co#40:\ > :ku=^^:kd=^_:kl=^]:kr=^\:up=\EA:nd=\EC:ho=\EH:ce=\EK:\ > :cd=\EJ:cl=\EE:xt:cm=\EY%+ %+ :\ > :so=\Ep:se=\Eq:al=\EL:dl=\EM: > MZ|m100v|radio shack model 100 with video:\ > :co#80:do=^_:is=\ED:le=^]:li#24:nd:^\:sr=\EI:up=^^:tc=m100: > > m100|trs 80 model 100, > am, xon, msgr, xt, > cols#40, lines#8, > bel=^G, cr=^M, nel=^J, > ind=^J, ri=\EI, > cuu1=\EA, cud1=\EB, cuf1=\EC, cub1=\ED, > kcuu1=^^, kcud1=^_, kcuf1=^\, kcub1=^], kbs=^H, > smso=\Ep, rmso=\Eq, > civis=\EQ, cnorm=\EP, > ed=\EJ, el=\EK, > il1=\EL, dl1=\EM, > home=\EH, clear=\EE, cup=\EY%p1%' '%+%c%p2%' '%+%c, > kf1=\E1, kf2=\E2, kf3=\E3, kf4=\E4, > kf5=\E5, kf6=\E6, kf7=\E7, kf8=\E8, > > EF|m100|trs80-100|Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100:al=\EL:\ > :am:bl=^G:bs:bw:cd=\EJ:ce=\EK:\ > :cl=\Ej:cm=\EY%+ %+ ::co#40:\ > :dl=\EM:do=\EB:ho=\EH:\ > :kd=^_:kl=^]:kr=^\:ku=^^:\ > :le=\ED:li#8:ms:mi:nd=\EC\ > :nw=^J:pt:sr=\EI::so=\Ep:\ > :se=\Eq::up=\EA:vs=\EU:xt:xo:\ > :k1=\Ef1:k2=\Ef2:k3=\Ef3:\ > :k4=\Ef4:k5=\Ef5:k6=\Ef6:\ > :k7=\Ef7:k8=\Ef8:\ > > m1|mod100|TRS Model 100 > :co#40:li#8:bs:bw:am:cm=\EY%.%..:al=\EL: > cd=\EJ:ce=\EK:cl=\EE:dl=\EM:do=\EB:ho=\EH: > nd=\EC:se=\Eq:so=\Ep:up=\EA: > > > From: Hansruedi > > The model 100 is the same as the PC8201 from NEC. > # The NEC PC-8201A laptop (by H. Heeb, heeb@iis.ethz.ch) similar to 'h19' > # Switch the function key display off (gain a line). > p8|8201|PC-8201A|NEC PC-8201A laptop:\ > :cr=^M:nl=^J:bl=^G:is=\EU\EW\Eq:\ > :al=1*\EL:am:bs:le=^H:cd=\EJ:ce=\EK:cl=\EE:cm=\EY%+ %+ :\ > :dl=1*\EM:do=\EB:li#8:co#40:nd=\EC:ho=\EH:\ > :ms:ta=^I:se=\Eq:so=\Ep:up=\EA:\ > kb=^h:ku=\036:kd=\037:kl=\35:kr=\34:kn#4:\ > :l1=F6:l2=F7:l3=F8:l4=F9: > > From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) > r1|trs100|TRS-80 Model 100:\ > :am:bs:xt:co#40:li#8:al=\EL:dl=\EM:cd=\EJ:ce=\EK:cl=\EE:cm=\EY%+ > %+ :\ > :nd=^\:dn=^_:up=\EA:se=\Eq:so=\Ep:kl=^]:kr=^\:ku=^^:kd=^_: > > From: zakarian@cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) > There is ananonymous ftp archive on ux1.cso.uiuc.edu in > the directory ../tandy. There is a list of the ESC > sequences in the ../tandy/tech directory. > > From: rph@sq.com (Pontus Hedman) > trs100:\ > :am:bs:so=\Ep:se=\Eq:\ > :li#8:co#40:up=\EA:nd=\EB:\ > :ri=\EC:ho=^K:cl=^L:\ > :cr=^M:do=^J:nl=^J:bl=^G:\ > :le=^H:cm=\EY%+ %+ :\ > :ce=\EK:kb=^H:al=\EL:dl=\EM\ > :ku=^^:kd=^_:kr=^\:kl=^]: > > Be sure to "stty -tabs" as well. > > To: comet > Subject: Model 100 LCD functions and escape codes > From: max (Max Pandaemonium) > Comments: HELP FIGHT CONTINENTAL DRIFT > Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 91 13:51:42 PST > > Recently I've been fooling around with my Model 100 (just pulled it off > the shelf and started playing with it . . . forgot how much fun it is). > Calling Dark Side from it is somewhat of a pain, what with the spacebar > only half-functional and all. > > Like I said in a previous message, I have lots of programs for it, but > basic and machine-language. I'd be glad to trade with you if you like. > I have the Booster Pak (an enormously useful tool, I might say -- allows > you to store much more data), and I think I'll get a whole bunch more 32K > > > RAM chips for it, since they're only a few bucks each. (I can add up to > 10 more, for a total on the order of around 350-400K.) > > I have a Portable Disk Drive 2, so I can store things to disk as well > Booster Pak, incidentally makes this rather easy. > > But like I said, I'd be willing to trade with you if you like. > > But on to the main point of this message . . . a _long_ time ago, you > asked me for a list of Model 100 escape codes.For some unknown reason, > I couldn't find them, even though they're right here in my > assembler/debugger manual (I have one, incidentally). So, here they are. > > > > First, what each term means. The ROUTINE name is just an alphanumeri > code to help you keep straight which routine it is; it's useful for > labelling if you're using an assembler/debugger. The function is what it > > > does, the entry address is where it's located in memory (you can get it > with CALL from BASIC), and the equivalent ESC code is what you'd hit > after the ESC key. > > ROUTINE FUNCTION ENTRY ESC > CRLF Generates a carriage return and line feed 4222 -- > HOME Moves cursor to home position 422D -- > CLS Clears display 4231 -- > SETSYS Set system line (lock line 8) 4235 T > RSTSYS Reset system line (unlock line 8) 423A U > LOCK Locks display (no scrolling) 423F V > UNLOCK Unlocks display (scrolling) 4244 W > CURSON Turns on cursor 4249 P > CUROFF Turns offcursor 424E Q > DELLIN Deletes line at current cursor position 4253 M > INSLIN Inserts a blank line at cursor position 4258 L > ERAEOL Erases from cursor to end of line 425D K > ENTREV Sets reverse character mode 4269 p > EXTREV Turns off reverse character mode 426E q > > I believe the last two functions were the only two you knew about, if I > recall correctly. > > There are a multitude of other functions of all kinds in the reference > manual, each requiring inputs from the accumulator and the high-low > register-pair (A and H-L). Since these are the only two inputs (even > though there are a number of other registers), you can make all the calls > > > from BASIC using CALL. > > From techno@owned.moron.com Thu Sep 03 04:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22714 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 04:19:54 -0000 Received: from owned.moron.com (techno@205.146.128.133) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 04:19:54 -0000 Received: (from techno@localhost) by owned.moron.com (8.8.5/2.31337.4.U) id AAA12393; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:20:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Woodrow Hinkleman To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > > >Remember calling bbses on a coco? (dumb question) :) > > I do. I'm only 15, but my first machine was a TRS-80 CoCo. I loved > > that machine. Spent all day playing Space Assault and hmm what was > > the oil-drilling cart? Funny, a CoCo 2 was my first telecommunications machine too! (My actual first computer was a Timex/Sinclair 1000.) The local BBS in those days ran on a C= 128 with 2 floppy drives and a 1200 bps modem. I could only afford 300 bps back then. :) > > *REAL* computer's disk drives have their own power supply... :) My > > beloved machine's drive (2 in 1 box) weighed 25 lbs... olde school all > > the way! Funny, that sounds just like the DEC RX-180 dual floppy units which accompanied my primary CoCo 2 system (and will again when I get the room to set it up again)... > > Monday: Amiga > > Tuesday: TRS-80 > > Wednesday: C64 > > Thursday: UNIX > > Friday: Spectrum > > Saturday: Some CP/M machine (prob. Osbourne) > > Sunday: Requests / some other machine I get > > Which Amiga? Have you upgraded the C64 at all? Wow, and more Amiga users too! I wonder if it's a coincidence that the three systems for which I've created separate web pages are the m100, the CoCo, and the Amiga? :) [This message composed entirely on an Amiga 1200] > > I hope that the Internet is only a fad that will wear off soon and > > BBSs can return to their former glory... *sniff* > I don't think so, my friend. Most "normal people" ;) don't even want the > net, they just want to get on the Web. Wasting our precious bandwith, and > blaspheming against the beautiful thing the internet used to be :( Oh, how refreshing to see that others know the truth! The *real* Internet is totally accessible via telnet! > > Kevin > > > James the Purist > Hug a Commodore //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---Woodrow (techno@moron.com) http://www.moron.com/~techno/ Amiga Forever --- Intel Outside! If you decide what processor to use based on a television commercial, you *DESERVE* nothing more than the Pentium. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// From cameron@stl.dec.com Thu Sep 03 04:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22955 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 04:33:01 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 04:33:01 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id AAA11494; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA02742; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:33:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA08569; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:33:43 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35EE1C27.F9645B22@stl.dec.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:33:43 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Woodward-Clarke Cc: m100@list.30below.com, "'Henry Gehring'" Subject: Re: Termcap File References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote: > typically you need to ask the Unix SysMangler to add the M100 termcap > entry. This changed with more recent versions of the termcap database functions. You no longer need to involve the mangler. You can place the file in your login directory as .termcap or set an environment variable TERMCAP that points to it. Then set environment variable TERM as m100 and try things out. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From sinasohn@ricochet.net Thu Sep 03 09:00:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24176 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 09:00:21 -0000 Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 09:00:21 -0000 Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-108.ricochet.net [204.179.128.108]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA01234 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980902184223.34ef4b20@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:48 PM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >And yet another option is to find an Internet ISP that offers shell >accounts -- that is, you log on and use your computer (m100 or whatever) >I've been looking for a while for an ISP that just offers shell accounts >(and for ones that offer shell accounts as part of a PPP account) so i >could get all my olde home and portable computers on the net for mail and You could try JPS.net; I think they're nationwide, and they do offer shells. You could also pick up a copy of web techniques, and see which of the national ISP's offer shells. But your best bet is probably the list that someone mentioned. Btw, if you're into other classic computers, you might want to check out the Classic Computers mailing list. It's at classiccmp@u.washington.edu; send a subscribe message to (iirc) listproc@u.washington.edu. If you do a search on classiccmp, you should be able to find the web archive of the list. See also for my collection. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From a2k@one.net Thu Sep 03 10:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24623 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 10:39:22 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 10:39:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id GAA14920; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:40:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Woodrow Hinkleman cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Which Amiga? Have you upgraded the C64 at all? It's an A2000 68030/30 MHz, 8 megs 32-bit RAM, 2 meg chip, 4 meg fast (it's heavily modified :) Emplant which i never use because i hate macs :) (I actually love the fact that some machine has survived in a totally microcrap-dominated world... just kinda unfortunate it had to be the mac :) It also has a Retina video card (PicassoII compatible I believe -- haven't played with it for weeks), GVP DSS-8 sampler, AmigaOS 2.1. Only 350 meg, but I have a lot of other SCSI hard drives that I will put on it when I can find my Y-cables. I picked up the machine for $10-- I bought a digital 21" monitor at the dayton hamvention for $10 and traded it for this machine... quite a good deal as the guy wanted about $600 for the computer. As far as the C64, no, I haven't upgraded it. I would like to as my single floppy drive doesn't offer much in the way of storage. If you or anyone else knows of any mods I can make, I'd be able to do them... I for the C64 for free, so if I screw it up, big loss :) Kevin From charles@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com Thu Sep 03 10:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24842 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 10:50:21 -0000 Received: from gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com (@192.76.82.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 10:50:21 -0000 Received: by gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com id GAA05801 (GTE Telephone Operations SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m100@list.30below.com); Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:51:07 -0400 Received: by gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:51:07 -0400 From: "Charles E. Stepp" Message-Id: <199809031051.GAA19800@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com> Subject: Re: Termcap File To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 6:51:04 EDT In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980902234622.007b6510@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca>; from "Henry Gehring" at Sep 02, 98 11:46 pm X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] > > Is there a termcap file which is meant for the M100 in standard unix > distro's or do I have to ask the sysadmin to add one? I am not having much > luck with Vt100 as it locks up my connection when I use the emulator for > the M100. I would rather just use the M100 in its native mode and the the > server do the terminal emulation. > > If anyone has any info on this, let me know. > > Thanks! > - Mike Gehring > > > > Here's a terminfo file I have used. It allowed me to use linx to web surf with my m200. For 100, change lines and rows entries: # TERMINFO FOR Tandy Model 200 m200|trs200|TRS200|Radio Shack Model 200, am, bel=^G, clear=\EH\EJ, cols#40, cr=\r, cub1=\b, cud1=\n, cuf1=\EC, cup=\EY%p1%' '%+%c%p2%' '%+%c, cuu1=\EA, db, dl1=\EM, ed=\EJ, el=\EK, home=\EH, ht=\t, il1=\EL, ind=\n, it#8, kbs=\b, kcub1=\ED, kcud1=\EB, kcuf1=\EC, kcuu1=\EA, lines#16, nel=\n, ri=\EI, rmso=\Eq, smso=\Ep, xt, -- ____ __ ___ /\ _`\ /\ \ 813-615-0392 Home /\_ \ \ \ \/\_\\ \ \___ __ _ __\//\ \ __ ____ \ \ \/_/_\ \ _ `\ /'__`\ /\`'__\\ \ \ /'__`\ /',__\ \ \ \_\ \\ \ \ \ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \_\ \_/\ __//\__, `\ \ \____/ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ /\____\ \____\/\____/ \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/____/\/____/\/___/ ____ __ /\ _`\ /\ \__ charles@fawn11.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com \ \,\_\_\ \ ,_\ __ _____ _____ \/_\__ \\ \ \/ /'__`\/\ '__`\/\ '__`\ /\ \_\ \ \ \_/\ __/\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ `\____\ \__\ \____\\ \ ,__/\ \ ,__/ \/_____/\/__/\/____/ \ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \_\ \ \_\ 813-978-2056 Work \/_/ \/_/ From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Thu Sep 03 14:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26015 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 14:42:32 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 14:42:32 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 14:43:15 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook.com ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA53899 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:46:13 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: Old hacking sprit is still alive Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:46:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bdd749$9e1b0fc0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9119560/POP1.INGRAMBOOK.COM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > it.. (I'm 15) so I set up my own shell > machine, a RHL 5.1 box... and I dropped that ISP because they > were quite > anoying anyway :) > > Kevin I'm glad to see that the hacking spirit is still alive in today's youth. I'm using the old definition of hacking, that of playing with a computer/electronics just to see what you can make it do. NOT the current definition of trying to break in to someone else's computer to vandalize. By Kevin setting up his own Linux box he is keeping the old hacker spirit alive. "the other" Kevin From hamvak@mindspring.com Thu Sep 03 18:12:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 27895 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (207.69.200.58) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 18:12:26 -0000 Received: from default (pool-207-205-143-64.rvdl.grid.net [207.205.143.64]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30915; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01bdd766$917f0a60$408fcdcf@default> Reply-To: "Vince (AA9TL)" From: "Vince (AA9TL)" To: , "James Mondor" Cc: "Kevin" , Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:13:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin To: James Mondor Cc: Kevin ; m100@list.30below.com Date: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question >On Wed, 02 Sep 1998, James Mondor wrote: > >H'lo, James >>Yeah, we're olde school... >>Remember calling bbses on a coco? (dumb question) :) >I do. I'm only 15, but my first machine was a TRS-80 CoCo. I loved that machine. Spent all day playing Space Assault and hmm what was the oil-drilling cart? I remember that game! It was called "Wildcat" or "Wildcatting" or something like that. Vince From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 19:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28725 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 19:36:02 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 19:36:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA17871; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:36:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: Kevin Stewart cc: Woodrow Hinkleman , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Kevin Stewart wrote: > > > Which Amiga? Have you upgraded the C64 at all? > > It's an A2000 68030/30 MHz, 8 megs 32-bit RAM, 2 meg chip, 4 meg fast > (it's heavily modified :) Emplant which i never use because i hate macs :) > (I actually love the fact that some machine has survived in a totally > microcrap-dominated world... just kinda unfortunate it had to be the mac > :) It also has a Retina video card (PicassoII compatible I believe -- > haven't played with it for weeks), GVP DSS-8 sampler, AmigaOS 2.1. Only > 350 meg, but I have a lot of other SCSI hard drives that I will put on it > when I can find my Y-cables. > I picked up the machine for $10-- I bought a digital 21" monitor at the > dayton hamvention for $10 and traded it for this machine... quite a good > deal as the guy wanted about $600 for the computer. > > As far as the C64, no, I haven't upgraded it. I would like to as my > single floppy drive doesn't offer much in the way of storage. If you or > anyone else knows of any mods I can make, I'd be able to do them... I for > the C64 for free, so if I screw it up, big loss :) > > Kevin > > ehh... How come you guys always get these great deals?? Yes, you can heavily modify the C-64, a company called CMD sells upgrade and such. But i lost there address (i'm at work, i can't check my catalog), i'll e-mail it here later. James From jh@grex.cyberspace.org Thu Sep 03 21:22:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 29834 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 21:22:31 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (jh@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 21:22:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (jh@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA05795 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:23:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Uncle John To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: disk power 100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just got this program, Disk Power 100. It's a FLOPPY.CO replacement. Does anybody know what F1 and F7, labeled ClrBAS and ClrPST are supposed to do? For that matter what does BAS and PST on the last line of the display have to do with? John From a2k@one.net Thu Sep 03 22:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30334 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 22:03:50 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 22:03:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id SAA17614; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:04:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: "Vince (AA9TL)" cc: James Mondor , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: <001e01bdd766$917f0a60$408fcdcf@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lo James, That was it-Wildcatting. Great game. Talk to you later, Kevin From a2k@one.net Thu Sep 03 22:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30626 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 22:22:50 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 22:22:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id SAA18410; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:23:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: "Vince (AA9TL)" cc: James Mondor , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lo VICE I mean to say :) > > That was it-Wildcatting. Great game. > > Talk to you later, > Kevin > (KC8BLL) From root@port-51-16.access.one.net Thu Sep 03 23:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31108 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1998 23:03:15 -0000 Received: from port-51-16.access.one.net (root@206.112.203.212) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1998 23:03:15 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-51-16.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA07089; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:07:55 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: Kevin Stewart Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:07:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: James Mondor , m100@list.30below.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98090319075300.07065@port-51-16.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: On Thu, 03 Sep 1998, Kevin Stewart wrote: >Lo VICE I mean to say :) If I could ever type, I would mean to say Lo VINCE There we go :p Kevin From bmarcum@iglou.com Fri Sep 04 01:42:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32667 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 01:42:29 -0000 Received: from iglou1.iglou.com (HELO iglou.com) (sendmail@192.107.41.3) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 01:42:29 -0000 Received: from [204.255.239.196] (helo=204.255.239.196) by iglou.com with smtp (8.9.1/8.9.1) id 0zEkty-0000wu-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:43:06 -0400 To: m100@list.30below.com From: bmarcum@iglou.com X-EveryThing: Net-Tamer 1.08 Unregistered Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:43:06 -0400 On 1998-09-02 james225@cyberspace.org said to bmarcum@iglou.com >the net for mail and once in a while telnetting, but none of the >ISPs where I am (mass) have shell accounts anymore for "security >reasons" They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) >If anyone know of any national ISPs that have a local # in Mass, >tell me >James Have you tried world.std.com in Boston? Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Fri Sep 04 11:09:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3885 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 11:09:23 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (uac/pPFodfUXTDqXGxXE+lSJ7FehWp3B@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 11:09:23 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 04:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:48:12 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: James Mondor Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980903.204812.7P6.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:48:12 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 >> *REAL* computer's disk drives have their own power supply... :) My >> beloved machine's drive (2 in 1 box) weighed 25 lbs... olde school >> all the way! Hey, the external drive bay for my Model II weighs that much *before* you put in the drives. And of course, they are 8". >> Tuesday: TRS-80 Which of the dozen or so? >> Number is +1 011 513 575 5796 (I think that's how you dial it-- it's USA, > 513 area code, 575 exchange, 5697 number) The 011 is what *we* dial to reach numvbers outside the US abnd Canada. The proper format for giving US/Canada numbers to folks outside the US is: +1 513 575 5796 -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Fri Sep 04 11:09:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3914 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 11:09:28 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (CoWsIyOpFRHrLia2ZJNmXvj+gh0D9oIm@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 11:09:28 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 04:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:56:18 PST To: gehring@shaw.wave.ca (Henry Gehring) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Termcap File From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980903.205618.4h0.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:56:18 PST In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980902234622.007b6510@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, gehring@shaw.wave.ca writes: > Is there a termcap file which is meant for the M100 in standard unix > distro's or do I have to ask the sysadmin to add one? I am not having much > luck with Vt100 as it locks up my connection when I use the emulator for > the M100. I would rather just use the M100 in its native mode and the the > server do the terminal emulation. There was such a termcap in Xenix. Here's the one I created using that as a base. # termcap for the radio shack model 100 computer running its # built-in terminal emulator. The termcap entry was prepared at Microsoft # as was the model 100's standard software. # escape A cursor up # escape B cursor down # escape C cursor right # escape D cursor left # escape E clear screen and home cursor # e H home cursor # e J erase to end of screen # e K erase to end of line # e L insert line # e M delete line # e P turn off cursor # e Q turn on cursor # e T set system line? # e U reset system line? # e V turn off LCD ? # e W turn on LCD ? # e Y row/col cursor motion # e j clear screen don't move cursor # e l erase line don't move cursor # e p begin rev video # e q end rev video # e del change char under cursor to space MZ|m100|trs100|TRS100|radio shack model 100:\ :am:bs:le=^H:li#8:co#40:\ :ku=^^:kd=^_:kl=^]:kr=^\:up=\EA:nd=\EC:ho=\EH:ce=\EK:\ :cd=\EJ:cl=\EE:xt:cm=\EY%+ %+ :\ :so=\Ep:se=\Eq:al=\EL:dl=\EM: MZ|m100v|radio shack model 100 with video:\ :co#80:do=^_:is=\ED:le=^]:li#24:nd:^\:sr=\EI:up=^^:tc=m100: -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From jh@grex.cyberspace.org Fri Sep 04 16:22:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6229 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 16:22:02 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (jh@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 16:22:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (jh@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA02807 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:22:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:22:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Uncle John To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: death? of m100s internal modem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My internal modem seems to have quit. There's no dial tone (yes, the phone line and cable are good.) It was working fine but a few minutes later when I tried to go online again there was nothing. The same thing happened to my other m100 too. I'm hoping, but not expecting, that someone will tell me that it's easy to fix. Speaking of fixing things, after one of the more recent threads about display problems with the usual suggestions to reseat connections etc, I pulled my problem m100 out of the closet determined to try again. The internal battery was completely dead but when I got it up again the flickering screen problem was no longer in evidence. I suppose it could be that some connecttion spontaneously repaired itself but it seems more likely that it was a software thing that was fixed by the stone cold restart. Verdad? John From jh@grex.cyberspace.org Fri Sep 04 18:17:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7172 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 18:17:50 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (jh@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 18:17:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (jh@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA18614 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:18:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Uncle John To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Oops! Problem solved! was Re: death? of m100s internal modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Uncle John wrote: I guess I was just careless and neglected to check the basics. Somehow the gremlins got in and switched my switches. Sorry to take up everyone's time. > My internal modem seems to have quit. There's no dial tone (yes, the phone > line and cable are good.) It was working fine but a few minutes later when > I tried to go online again there was nothing. > > The same thing happened to my other m100 too. I'm hoping, but not > expecting, that someone will tell me that it's easy to fix. > From sinasohn@ricochet.net Fri Sep 04 19:15:52 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7758 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 19:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 19:15:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w999999.longs.com ([10.24.52.165]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AADA270 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:06:31 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980904114918.5e5707b0@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:49 PM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >Yes... You may be interested, I run a newsletter called >"Yesterday's Computers".... it's a print newsletter, I can mail >you (or anyone else) a copy of the latest edition... it's quite >neat I think. Only 1 page, 2 columns... focuses on Spectrum, >TRS-80, Osbourne, Amiga, C64/128, anything that isn't being >dominated by Microcrap. Ooh, I'd love to see a copy! And since we're on the subject (hope I'm not repeating myself here) there is a mailing list for classic computer collectors at ; send a message to to subscribe. (At 15, you wouldn't be alone, nor would you be (iirc) the youngest.) Also, check out the Vintage Computer Festival coming up this month in Santa Clara at ; it's a bunch of collectors, enthusiasts, etc. getting together to swap stories, show off machines, etc. I'll have a few on display. (You can see my collection at .) Also, check out the Computer History Association of California. >Number is +1 011 513 575 5796 (I think that's how you dial it-- it's USA, 513 area code, 575 exchange, 5697 number) I think you need to leave out the 011, which is (iirc) the country code or England? The USA's country code (egocentric bastards that we are) is 1. >I hope that the Internet is only a fad that will wear off soon and BBSs can return to their former glory... *sniff* I have to disagree with you -- would you want to lose this conduit to other m100 users? I think that in many ways, the Web/e-mail/FTP/usenet replaces and significantly improves upon the idea of BBS's. What can you get from a local BBS that you can't duplicate on the 'net? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From sinasohn@ricochet.net Fri Sep 04 19:15:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7763 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 19:15:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (199.108.9.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 19:15:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w999999.longs.com ([10.24.52.165]) by axn.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAEA270 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:06:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980904115511.5e573ae8@ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@ricochet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: m100@list.30below.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:40 AM 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >It's an A2000 68030/30 MHz, 8 megs 32-bit RAM, 2 meg chip, 4 meg fast ... >(I actually love the fact that some machine has survived in a totally >microcrap-dominated world... just kinda unfortunate it had to be the mac Actually, the Amiga seems to be doing well; I ran across a store that was 99% Amiga in Denver (just up the road from Land Rover Denver East in Aurora). (btw, the Amiga is owned by Gateway now, dunno what they'll do with it) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Fri Sep 04 22:13:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9306 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 22:13:11 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 22:13:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20220; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:13:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: bmarcum@iglou.com cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Trs 80 Model 100 question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 bmarcum@iglou.com wrote: > On 1998-09-02 james225@cyberspace.org said to bmarcum@iglou.com > >the net for mail and once in a while telnetting, but none of the > >ISPs where I am (mass) have shell accounts anymore for "security > >reasons" They must be running something dumb like NT4.0 :) > >If anyone know of any national ISPs that have a local # in Mass, > >tell me > >James > Have you tried world.std.com in Boston? > > Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive > Yes, they don't Have any local numbers James From antilles@erols.com Fri Sep 04 22:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9855 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 22:50:27 -0000 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 22:50:27 -0000 Received: from erols.com (207-172-207-217.s26.as8.blb.erols.com [207.172.207.217]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12484 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F06ED4.34FE1F7E@erols.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:51:00 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100 Subject: Model 100 Streaks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a TRS-80 Model 100. I cleaned the LCD screen with a little bit of windex on a towel. I did not take the unit apart, I merely cleaned the top of the LCD cover. Ever since I did that two days ago, there is a strange 'streaking' effect. I am curious if this is permanent? -Scott From thedock@value.net Fri Sep 04 23:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10321 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 23:23:19 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 23:23:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id QAA07016 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: <35F06ED4.34FE1F7E@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Scott Roberts wrote: > I have a TRS-80 Model 100. I cleaned the LCD screen with a little bit > of windex on a towel. I did not take the unit apart, I merely cleaned > the top of the LCD cover. Ever since I did that two days ago, there is > a strange 'streaking' effect. I am curious if this is permanent? > -Scott Yes. You used the wrong products and yes, the streaks will remain until you use the correct products. The clean plastic is over your LCD and not part of the LCD itself, so wory not, you did not hurt the LCD. The clear plastic will respond well to plastic cleaning and polishing products. Here is what I use: First, I usually split the case and remove both the keyboard and LCD pannels. I then use paint thinner to remove tape and stick residue, then wash and scrub with Fantastic -- it has some bleach in it. Yes. The entire upper case get wet, including the beeper. I then blow dry the unit with a compressor (150 lbs) -- do as complete a drying job as possible. I then set the clean, dry upper case in the sun for a hour or so. Sunshine seems to bleach out any remaining yellowing from ... (gasp!) ... cigerette smoke! To polish, on very scratched units, I use automotice rubbing compounds to start with. On normally scratched units I don't have to "sand down" the base surface before polising -- I just clean and polish. I start with Meguire's Mirror Glaze Professional Clear Plastic Cleaner and end with Meguire's Mirror Glaze Professional Clear Plastic Polish. The cleaner really gets the residue off the plastic and helps to remove fine scratches. The polish completes the project by rubbing out even finer scratches and fills in. The result is an optically clear surface that is also somewhat protected by the chemicals in the product. As a final finishing touch, I use the Clear Plastic Polish on the entire case. It really makes a difference -- looks and feels like new. When using these products, use "clean terry-type towels" and work in circles. Take your time and check your work as you go along. Plan on spending at least 30 minutes on the screen, alone. Some screens take an hour or two of hand polishing but the results are really worth the efforts. FYI: While you have the keyboard out of the top case, use compressed air and a new paint brush to blow out the dirt and dust. Any really hard t get off residue may be cleaned with some Fantastic by use very, very sparingly. A wet keyboard will not function until it drys out. Frankly, I resort to Fantastic on keyboard only rarely. I usually use a spray on electrical cleaner and rub like hell with a brush -- my favorite keyboard cleaning brush is a shoe shine brush. They have great action, lots of surface, firm yet will not scratch -- and they're easy to hold onto while working. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From antilles@erols.com Fri Sep 04 23:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10609 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1998 23:38:44 -0000 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1998 23:38:44 -0000 Received: from erols.com (207-172-207-122.s59.as6.blb.erols.com [207.172.207.122]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12700; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F07A23.73D31540@erols.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:39:15 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thedock@value.net, m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, I will try that. I appreciate the information. Cleaning the plastic cover, as I did, will cause the LCD itself to streak black? From root@port-51-16.access.one.net Sat Sep 05 03:36:36 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12345 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 03:36:34 -0000 Received: from port-39-45.access.one.net (HELO port-51-16.access.one.net) (root@209.50.100.155) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 03:36:34 -0000 Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by port-51-16.access.one.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA28499; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:41:27 -0400 From: Kevin Reply-To: a2k@one.net To: Uncle Roger Subject: YC Newsletter, BBS, Internet stuff (Was something about a TRS80 question :) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:37:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: m100@list.30below.com References: <3.0.16.19980904114918.5e5707b0@ricochet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98090423412602.28400@port-51-16.access.one.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: On Fri, 04 Sep 1998, Uncle Roger wrote: >At 08:49 PM 9/2/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Ooh, I'd love to see a copy! Ok, anyone that would like a copy of Yesterday's Computers newsletter please send a SASE to Yesterday's Computers Attn: Kevin Stewart 6355 Hickorybark Drive Loveland, Ohio 45140-8779 >I think you need to leave out the 011, which is (iirc) the country code or >England? The USA's country code (egocentric bastards that we are) is 1. Yeah, I was wrong about that. Thanks. I'm not used to calling into the US, just out through PBXs-- erm, oops, what was I saying? :) >>I hope that the Internet is only a fad that will wear off soon and BBSs >can return to their former glory... *sniff* > >I have to disagree with you -- would you want to lose this conduit to other >m100 users? I think that in many ways, the Web/e-mail/FTP/usenet replaces >and significantly improves upon the idea of BBS's. What can you get from a >local BBS that you can't duplicate on the 'net? > I didn't say that I wanted the Internet to go away - I just wanted BBSs to make a come-back. Sure, I like the email and everything, the FTP sites chok-full-of-crap :) and other things, but it's just not the same as calling a BBS. Kevin From drbinns@idirect.com Sat Sep 05 05:38:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13218 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 05:38:23 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08931 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-25t-12.idirect.com [209.161.225.12]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA20160 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809050538.BAA20160@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: Subject: Reading TPPD2 disks on a PC Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:34:20 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There were discussions on the list a couple of months ago about whether it is possible to take a Tandy Portable Disk Drive 2 disk and physically read it on a standard PC. Was this ever resolved?? -=Paul=- From thedock@value.net Sat Sep 05 13:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15154 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 13:37:36 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 13:37:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id GAA00701 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 06:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 06:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: <35F07A23.73D31540@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Scott Roberts wrote: > Okay, I will try that. I appreciate the information. I tipically got carried away with my answer but... > Cleaning the plastic cover, as I did, will cause the LCD itself to > streak black? No. The LCD, itself, is not affected by the top plastic. In fact, the glass over the licquid crystals is held in place by a metal frame, resessing it the depth of the metal. The cover has a thin foam rim around where the metal edge touches the cover -- around the clear plastic window in the case. The result is a 1/64 inch +/- gap between the surface of the glass on the LCD panel and the bottom of the clear plastic. In extreem cases, a sharp blow to the plastic by a heavy object. And example would be something like a tool box falling off an upper shelf, above a workbench where sits a Model 100 in a garage -- in the middle of the night (that's important) - slamming its full weight onto the Model 100, flexing the cover down and cracking the glass of the LCD panel but not harming the clear plastic. FYI: I repaired the Model 100 from the example above just yesterday and am shipping it back to its owner today. It was interesting that the clear plastic was not seriously scratched but the glass on the LCD panel was fractured like a bullet had hit it. The liquid crystal was totally black. So, are you saying that there are lines in your liquid crystal? Does it look like pixels are missing? Do they fade when you turn the wheel on the right back and forth? Do they obscure characters on the screen? -Rick @ Club 100- From rcini@email.msn.com Sat Sep 05 13:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15312 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 13:39:20 -0000 Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (HELO UPIMSSMTPUSR04) (207.68.143.160) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 13:39:20 -0000 Received: from mainoffice - 208.255.184.186 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 06:40:00 -0700 Message-ID: <003001bdd8d2$a6c98b80$ef33fea9@mainoffice> From: "Richard A. Cini, Jr." To: "M100 List" Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:32:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Return-Path: rcini@email.msn.com Rick: Where can one get the Meguire's plastic cleaning products? Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: thedock@value.net To: m100 Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks >On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Scott Roberts wrote: > >> I have a TRS-80 Model 100. I cleaned the LCD screen with a little bit >> of windex on a towel. I did not take the unit apart, I merely cleaned >> the top of the LCD cover. Ever since I did that two days ago, there is >> a strange 'streaking' effect. I am curious if this is permanent? >> -Scott > {major snippage} From thedock@value.net Sat Sep 05 15:07:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15959 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 15:07:09 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 15:07:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA08227 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Reading TPPD2 disks on a PC In-Reply-To: <199809050538.BAA20160@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > There were discussions on the list a couple of months ago about whether > it is possible to take a Tandy Portable Disk Drive 2 disk and physically > read it on a standard PC. Was this ever resolved?? Neither a standard PC, or any other PC (C64, Apple II, Mac, CP/M machine, etc.) is able to read the tpdd or tpdd2 disk ... directly inserted into its disk drive. Period. End of story. No way, Jose! The only way do come close is to us a PC, XT, 286, 386 or slow 486 PC, in DOS not Windoze, and Lapdos II. Connect the tpdd or tpdd2 to the PC using the tpdd or tpdd2s existing cable and a simple gender changer to mate the cable end to the COM port (COM 1 or COM2 only) and Lapdos II will "easily" read/write the disk in the tpdd/tpdd2. Lapdos II is operated on the PC side, and when in operations you get a split screen. DOS files on the left and portable-device files on the right. To transfer a file from one side to the other, simply place the bar cursor on the file source, tap "C" for copy and hit . Within moments, at 19200 baud, that file will be transferred (copied) to the other machine -- totally error free, all the time. To copy all the files from one device to the other, place your bar cursor on the source of the files, tap "W" for wild copy and hit . This is a *.* copy. And don't blink. At 19200 baud, all files will pass quickly and cleanly. Last but not least, Lapdos II copies ALL file types: .DO (ascii), .BA (tokenized basic), and .CO (machine language). No problemo whatsoevero! The down side: Lapdos II will not (WILL NOT) work on fast processor PCs or under Windoze. Period. This is why we've been stressing the use of DeskLink, a null-modem cable and TS-DOS ROM for Model 100/102/200/NEC file transfers to DOS/Windows machines. Unfortunately, DiskLink is managed from the laptop side using a DOS on the laptop -- obviously, you can not do this from a tpdd or tpdd2 peripheral. Oh well... such is life. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From thedock@value.net Sat Sep 05 15:13:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16141 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 15:13:48 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 15:13:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA08864 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Reading TPPD2 disks on a PC In-Reply-To: <199809050538.BAA20160@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > There were discussions on the list a couple of months ago about whether > it is possible to take a Tandy Portable Disk Drive 2 disk and physically > read it on a standard PC. Was this ever resolved?? Having just responded to Pauls message, I'd like to add something very important. I do believe that the master programmer and long time Model 100 user and supporter, Wilson Van Alst, has a public domain program that will run on a PC and access the tpdd or tpdd2. It is my ASSUMPTION that this is true yet I have never seen or used this program. If this is true, Club 100 will gladly, and respectfully place this program in our library, and even build a special category dedicated to file transfer programs and methods in his honor -- with his program at the top of the list. I'm extending my hand in friendship to Van and wish to any differences from the past. We need to work together in support of Model "T" computing. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sat Sep 05 15:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16343 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 15:32:05 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 15:32:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA10598 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: To: M100 List Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: <003001bdd8d2$a6c98b80$ef33fea9@mainoffice> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Richard A. Cini, Jr. wrote: > Rick: Where can one get the Meguire's plastic cleaning products? On the west coast, we have a chain of TAP Plastic store, but I do believe that you can also get the Meguiars products are automotive paint and supply stores. I know that Ned's in Concord carries the Meguiars products. You may also call Meguires Customer Care Center at 800-347-5700. I'm reading the back of their product and WOW... they have a website! I didn't see that before. Are you ready? It's www.meguiars.com. How original! What genius thought of that!? http://www.meguiars.com --- I just logged onto their web site with the webtv unit here in the lab. Nice site! I'm impressed ... will have to hack it for some of the code ideas I see. Anyway, they list "calendar" and "dealer locator" pages. I'm at the dealer locator page, I entered our zip code 94523 and hit submit ... and WOW ... here's a rather long list of dealers in our area, including Grand Auto, Kragen Auto, Rite Aid, Target. Ahmmm... I've got to go, now. This is far more interesting than answering e-mail... -Rick- From dpfister@kc.net Sat Sep 05 16:11:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16701 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1998 16:11:31 -0000 Received: from mail.kc.net (HELO mail.kcdata.com) (root@209.242.64.52) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1998 16:11:31 -0000 Received: from xxx.xxx.xxx (tnt-01-63.kc.net [209.242.84.63]) by mail.kcdata.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA08860 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:10:30 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.19980905111002.482f0604@pop3.kc.net> X-Sender: dpfister@pop3.kc.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 11:10:02 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Don Pfister KA0JLF Subject: Tandy Disk Drive 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well I let my batteries run down after all these years. I lost the driver for my Tandy disk Drive 2, I have my diskette but don't remember the loader program. It seems like it was setting up the com port for 9600 then running some hex address but it is all a faded memory now. Can any of you help me out here? My manual (docs whatever) have been seperated from the hardware and memory is not serving me. Thanks, Don [Signature File] Name=Don Pfister KA0JLF HABITAT SkyLab (High Altitude Basic Investigation Testing And Tracking) Email=dpfister@kc.net or donp@netlab.org http://www.netlab.org/habitat http://www.kc.net/~dpfister http://www.netlab.org/~donp http://www.netlab.org:8888/ Visit the Lab in the Hobby wing. HABITAT being built... From antilles@erols.com Sun Sep 06 03:02:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20591 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 03:02:47 -0000 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 03:02:47 -0000 Received: from erols.com (207-172-206-128.s1.as3.blb.erols.com [207.172.206.128]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25358 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F1FB70.F355A929@erols.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 23:03:13 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So, are you saying that there are lines in your liquid crystal? Does it > There are no lines on the liquid crystal. Not as if it had been struck - no. However, when the contrast is turned a bit darker, so the background is visible, the letters appear to 'streak'. That is to say, the beneath the displayed character on the screen there is a slightly filled in 'box' beneath it, carrying all the way to the bottom of the LCD. > look like pixels are missing? Do they fade when you turn the wheel on the > right back and forth? Do they obscure characters on the screen? > The streaks only fade when the contrast is turned so light that the characters on the screen are barely visible. -Scott From drbinns@idirect.com Sun Sep 06 05:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21226 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 05:25:30 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 05:25:30 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14457; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-16t-22.idirect.com [209.161.228.22]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA24408; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809060525.BAA24408@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: , "m100" Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:22:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > No. The LCD, itself, is not affected by the top plastic. In fact, the > glass over the licquid crystals is held in place by a metal frame, > resessing it the depth of the metal. The cover has a thin foam rim around > where the metal edge touches the cover -- around the clear plastic window > in the case. The result is a 1/64 inch +/- gap between the surface of the > glass on the LCD panel and the bottom of the clear plastic. Might it not be possible that by using the Windex in sufficient quantity to flood the "top plastic" that the liquid solution dripped down into the LCD itself, and damaged either _it_ or a contact or component nearby ? -=Paul=- From drbinns@idirect.com Sun Sep 06 05:45:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21503 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 05:45:44 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 05:45:44 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15086 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-16t-22.idirect.com [209.161.228.22]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA26801 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809060546.BAA26801@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: Subject: Fw: Tandy Disk Drive 2 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 01:46:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Paul Binns > To: Don Pfister KA0JLF > Subject: Re: Tandy Disk Drive 2 > Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 1:41 AM > > From BASIC (with the write-protected boot disk > inserted), type: > > M100/102 RUN "COM:98n1e" > M200 RUN "COM:98n1enn" > > and away you should go !!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) > > -=Paul=- > > ---------- > > From: Don Pfister KA0JLF > > To: m100@list.30below.com > > Subject: Tandy Disk Drive 2 > > Date: Saturday, September 05, 1998 7:10 AM > > > > Well I let my batteries run down after all these years. I lost the driver > > for my Tandy disk Drive 2, I have my diskette but don't remember the > loader > > program. It seems like it was setting up the com port for 9600 then > running > > some hex address but it is all a faded memory now. > > > > Can any of you help me out here? My manual (docs whatever) have been > > seperated from the hardware and memory is not serving me. > > > > Thanks, > > Don > > > > [Signature File] > > Name=Don Pfister KA0JLF > > HABITAT SkyLab > > (High Altitude Basic Investigation Testing And Tracking) > > Email=dpfister@kc.net or donp@netlab.org > > http://www.netlab.org/habitat > > http://www.kc.net/~dpfister > > http://www.netlab.org/~donp > > http://www.netlab.org:8888/ Visit the Lab in the Hobby wing. HABITAT > being > > built... From jrice@texoma.net Sun Sep 06 12:24:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23029 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 12:24:03 -0000 Received: from mail.texoma.net (root@209.151.96.3) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 12:24:03 -0000 Received: from texoma.net (ppp-151-104-018.texoma.net [209.151.104.18]) by mail.texoma.net (8.8.5/CNET_TOP_500) with ESMTP id HAA14732 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:24:33 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:24:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35F27E1F.2F218E71@texoma.net> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 07:20:47 -0500 From: "James L. Rice" Reply-To: jrice@texoma.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: M100 List Subject: Tandy PDD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What ever happened to Remote Disk that RS carried for the M100? I bought and still have a copy. It came as a two piece set, the cassette for the M100 and a disk with a cat # that began with 700 that you ordered separately to suit the type of machine you were using. Mine was cat # 700-3403 for a Tandy 2000, but I used it on my 1400LT as I never got it to work on my Tandy 1000. The cat# for Remote Disk was 26-3839 and the manual listed disks for T2000, Model 4, 4P, Model 3, Model 1, Model 2,12,16 and CoCo. It let the host computer act as a disk drive for the M100. I need to drag it out and try it on modern hardware as my ex-wife won't let me have my 1400. I also have an old 386SX16 mb around here to test also. Also, has anyone at Club 100 ever contacted Tandy about the rights to market the old M100 software? I can't see that they sell very many copies, so it can't be much of a profit center for them. From thedock@value.net Sun Sep 06 15:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24477 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 15:33:26 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 15:33:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA15363 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Tandy Disk Drive 2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.16.19980905111002.482f0604@pop3.kc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Don Pfister KA0JLF wrote: > Well I let my batteries run down after all these years. I lost the driver > for my Tandy disk Drive 2, I have my diskette but don't remember the loader > program. It seems like it was setting up the com port for 9600 then running > some hex address but it is all a faded memory now. > > Can any of you help me out here? My manual (docs whatever) have been > seperated from the hardware and memory is not serving me. Thanks, Don Here you go, my friend... -Rick @ Club 100- -- DETAIL SHEET: TPDD2 BOOTING INSTRUCTIONS For the Tandy Portable Disk Drive 200K format... Tandy Catalog Number: 26-3814 Preliminaries You will need... 1) A working Tandy Portable Disk Drive, 200K version--it says "Tandy Portable Disk Drive 2" on the front. The "2" indicates the newer drive by Tandy that formats disks to 200K instead of 100K as a TPDD. 2) The "Utility Disk" for the TPDD2. Both the TPDD and the TPDD2 come with a disk marked "Utility Disk". Although these disks look identical--thank you, Tandy brains--there are major differences on the formatting and programming actually on the disk. If in doubt don't ask Tandy personnel, call us. 3) Fresh or reasonably good batteries in working condition even though you may also be using an AC adaptor. 4) A TPDD2 cable--included--and a Model 100, 102 or 200 computer in good working condition. Booting the DOS (disk operating system) FLOPPY Do the following... 1) Connect the TPDD2 to the laptop computer and turn the laptop computer on. 2) Turn the TPDD2 off. 3) Hold the Utility Disk up to the light and make sure the write protect window is open, not closed. The write protect window is the little 1/4" square in one corner of the disk. 4) Insert the Utility disk into the TPDD2 and close the door. 5) Go into BASIC on your laptop, enter the following program and follow the steps indicated. NOTE: Hit after you key in the following line: RUN"COM:98N1ENN After keying in the program and hitting enter, your laptop should look like it's doing nothing. This is good. Now, do the following... 6) Turn the TPDD2 on. 7) In less than 5 minutes, and if everything went as planned, you should see the FLOPPY program in your menu. This is the disk operating system (DOS) that Tandy invented. FLOPPY is not the best DOS in the world for the TPDD2--we think our TS-DOS is better--but at least FLOPPY works. You are now ready to use your TPDD2 and FLOPPY to access disks. This is the working condition for normal use. You no longer need to use your Utility disk and should put it away for safe keeping. Note: Consider getting TS-DOS on ROM from Club 100. It is sooooo much better than floppy. From thedock@value.net Sun Sep 06 15:41:04 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24684 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 15:41:03 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 15:41:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA16208 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Reading TPPD2 disks on a PC In-Reply-To: <35F181EA.7442@thezone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Gerald Vey wrote: > Hi All! (first time post despite being a member of this group for a > long time-very much enjoy reading and collecting the bits of great info) > > Re: Using a Tandy Disk drive on a PC, I've used (and might still have > somewhere ona zip or cd a little program called PDD which lets you hook > the disk drive to the pc via the serial cable from the disk drive (I > think you also need a gender changer on the db25 end...) It let you > access the PDD via the command prompt that the program generated (sorta > a TPDD2 shell I guess) Worked great for me. Don't know if it will work > on a Pentium class or not, I should dig it out and try it, if anyone is > interested. I recall that it was a very small program and quite easy to > use. Hold on... you can not "give" PC-PDD away. The code is copyright by Stan Wong in Santa Ana, CA. As far as I know, PC-PDD is not in the public domain, and I also believe that it had limitations -- I have a review copy from Stan, from many years ago. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sun Sep 06 15:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 24942 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 15:58:46 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 15:58:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA18392 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 08:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: <35F1FB70.F355A929@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 5 Sep 1998, Scott Roberts wrote: > > So, are you saying that there are lines in your liquid crystal? Does it > > There are no lines on the liquid crystal. Not as if it had been struck - no. > However, when the contrast is turned a bit darker, so the background is > visible, the letters appear to 'streak'. That is to say, the beneath the > displayed character on the screen there is a slightly filled in 'box' beneath > it, carrying all the way to the bottom of the LCD. > > > look like pixels are missing? Do they fade when you turn the wheel on the > > right back and forth? Do they obscure characters on the screen? > > The streaks only fade when the contrast is turned so light that the > characters on the screen are barely visible. -Scott Okay... at this point, we need to isolate the variables to determin if the problem is the LCD or the clear plastic covering the LCD. Split the case, unscrew the LCD and keyboard from the upper case but keep them connected to the motherboard. Lay a towel over the motherboard then lay the LCD and keyboard onto of the towel. Turn on the unit and tell me if you get the same condition. Below are the instructions for splitting the case. -- Splitting the Model 100 case, by Rick Hanson, Club 100 There is a trick to splitting the Model 100 case: The two halves of the case are held together by plastic notches in the middle of the edges. After removing the case screws you simply have to know where to push in on the case edges to split the case. Turn the Model 100 upside down, remove the screws at the four corners. Turn it right side up, like you are going to use it. Grab the left hand edge and rock it up onto its right hand edge. The bottom will be facing your left and the top to your right. Using your left hand, push down on the middle of the top edge of the bottom half and the same on the front edge facing you ... again, pushing in on the bottom half, only. With your right hand, pull the top half away from the bottom. The unit will split like a clam shell and lay open, easily. And don't pinch the keyboard wires putting the case back together. From thedock@value.net Sun Sep 06 16:22:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25271 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 16:22:32 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 16:22:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA20964 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:23:02 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: <199809060525.BAA24408@terminus.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > Might it not be possible that by using the Windex in sufficient quantity > to flood the "top plastic" that the liquid solution dripped down into > the LCD itself, and damaged either _it_ or a contact or component > nearby? That's a good assumption, Paul. If excess liquid were applied to the clear plastic, it can easily flow over the sides, through the crack between the clear plastic and the case and be soaked up by the foam gasket on the inside. From there is woule evaporate and be trapped within and ending up as a film on "everything" on the inside. The LCD panel, however, allows no leaks, so damage to the liquid crystals is not an issue. It's surface is glass, not plastic. Yet such a film on the circuit board is an issue, and if left uncleaned, may eat through the protective coating and etch out a trace. Take heart, though, if there is a film it is easily removed with a soft towel. When we recondition machines, here at Club 100, one of the major reasons we remove all the components from the case halves is to clean them off with an electrical cleaner -- cause "stuff" builds up inside these puppies and you wouldn't believe what we've found in some! -Rick @ Club 100- From a2k@one.net Sun Sep 06 17:23:28 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 25982 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 17:23:27 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 17:23:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with SMTP id NAA30803 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:23:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:23:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, yesterday I went to RS to special-order a cass. cable (lost mine years ago or sold it with my CoCo) I saw a few Cassette titles that I thought I might like (Basic Lab 11400793 and Starblaze 11400967). I tried to order the tapes, but the salesman informed me that they could no longer get it. This is a bit odd as their catalog of special-order items is updated often. Does anyone know if it is possible to order these titles somewhere else or has a copy that I might purchase? Thanks, Kevin From jh@grex.cyberspace.org Sun Sep 06 18:11:02 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26451 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1998 18:11:01 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (jh@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1998 18:11:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (jh@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA17032; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:11:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Uncle John To: thedock@value.net cc: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 6 Sep 1998 thedock@value.net wrote: > When we recondition machines, here at Club 100, one of the major reasons > we remove all the components from the case halves is to clean them off > with an electrical cleaner -- cause "stuff" builds up inside these puppies > and you wouldn't believe what we've found in some! > > -Rick @ Club 100- > I can't pass that up... What *have* you found in them? jh From hamvak@mindspring.com Mon Sep 07 03:00:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31396 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 03:00:13 -0000 Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 03:00:13 -0000 Received: from default (pool-207-205-143-238.rvdl.grid.net [207.205.143.238]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13225; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01bdda0b$bfe51a00$ee8fcdcf@default> Reply-To: "Vince (AA9TL)" From: "Vince (AA9TL)" To: "Kevin Stewart" , Subject: Re: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:01:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The last time I ordered something from Radio Shack, I didn't even talk to the salesman. I just filled out the form and had him process it. Every time I tried to talk to those guys ( and it usually was a guy!) what I wanted was old, out of stock, out of style, cant be ordered, etc, and would you like a "free" cellphone. Vince -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Stewart To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 12:24 PM Subject: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes >Hello, yesterday I went to RS to special-order a cass. cable (lost mine >years ago or sold it with my CoCo) > >I saw a few Cassette titles that I thought I might like (Basic Lab >11400793 and Starblaze 11400967). I tried to order the tapes, but the >salesman informed me that they could no longer get it. This is a bit odd >as their catalog of special-order items is updated often. > >Does anyone know if it is possible to order these titles somewhere else or >has a copy that I might purchase? > >Thanks, >Kevin > From hamvak@mindspring.com Mon Sep 07 03:11:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31621 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 03:10:59 -0000 Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (207.69.200.58) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 03:10:58 -0000 Received: from default (pool-207-205-142-132.rvdl.grid.net [207.205.142.132]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26092; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000401bdda0d$40353220$848ecdcf@default> Reply-To: "Vince (AA9TL)" From: "Vince (AA9TL)" To: "Kevin Stewart" , Subject: Re: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:01:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 The last time I ordered something from Radio Shack, I didn't even talk to the salesman. I just filled out the form and had him process it. Every time I tried to talk to those guys ( and it usually was a guy!) what I wanted was old, out of stock, out of style, cant be ordered, etc, and would you like a "free" cellphone. Vince -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Stewart To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Sunday, September 06, 1998 12:24 PM Subject: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes >Hello, yesterday I went to RS to special-order a cass. cable (lost mine >years ago or sold it with my CoCo) > >I saw a few Cassette titles that I thought I might like (Basic Lab >11400793 and Starblaze 11400967). I tried to order the tapes, but the >salesman informed me that they could no longer get it. This is a bit odd >as their catalog of special-order items is updated often. > >Does anyone know if it is possible to order these titles somewhere else or >has a copy that I might purchase? > >Thanks, >Kevin > From james225@grex.cyberspace.org Mon Sep 07 03:38:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32048 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 03:38:30 -0000 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org (james225@204.212.46.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 03:38:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (james225@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA10525; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:38:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: James Mondor To: "Vince (AA9TL)" cc: Kevin Stewart , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes In-Reply-To: <001a01bdda0b$bfe51a00$ee8fcdcf@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII <> I've had this same problem. I love to go into different Rat Shacks when i'm on vacation or whenever and ask "Do you have any Trs-80s?" hehehe Luckily, however, I might be getting an almost NOS M100 from asking this :) James From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Mon Sep 07 03:57:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32421 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 03:57:15 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 03:57:15 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25635 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA05373; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: NEC To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980901142317.791f4c72@ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >> What are the major variations between the TRS-80's and the NEC > >NEC PC-8201 mulitple banks of RAM, uses single precision binary > > floating point math by default. Edit programs on screen (like > > GW-BASIC) > Has 5 function keys (iirc), arrow keys in a logical square. has an > expansion port. Case is more wedge shaped. Back from camping in northern Vermont for a week and a bit surprised to find NEC-related messages ... I hope the following is helpful. The case is similar to the orig M100, being angled for easy viewing. The sidecar door is for the system expansion, found on the bottom or rear of Tandy models. The keyboard is gray/brown, not black. There are a few differences in the keys. The NEC (I've heard but not ever looked into) runs the CAS port at a different data rate (slower) than the Tandys. The BASICs are similar. See the cross ref at the Potent Portables web site. The big missing commands for M100 programmers are VARPTR and LINE, though you can hack in replacements and call 'em via EXECs. The NEC lacks the upper char set of the Tanys with those cool little characters (the little race cars and aliens, etc). The NEC supported a NiCad pack. The batteries for a NEC are in a battery cartridge, either refillable with alkalines are sealed as NiCad. The memory map is different from the Tandys. The NEC supported up to three banks of 32K RAM. Two internal. One in sidecar. Bank #2 could be mapped as 0000-7FFF or 8000-FFFF, making it able to emulate a ROM. MENU supported file management/bank switching. KILL and SetIPL, etc. are avail from MENU w/o going into BASIC. File functions are case sensitive. Example: KILL"file.DO" is different from KILL"FILE.DO". The NEC has two serial i/o ports other than the muxed serial CAS and COM. These are listed as SIO1 and SIO2, though support for them seems to be absent in the docs I've seen. These are RJ-style "phone" clip jacks on the reverse of the NEC. The NEC lacks the internal modem of the Tandys and thus also the acoustic cup support. I have never opened my NECs, though I have read (old Byte reviews) that the NEC uses multiple boards. The Tandys are essentially single board computers. They're essentially the same design as the Tandys. Each vendor seemed to have put their own imprint on the design. Same CPU/speed/LCD and fundamental core hardware design. Different "OS" ROM. As far as construction, the NEC and the M100 (and my old Kyo85) seem equally solid in construction. My T102 is noticably less rugged -- lighter construction. NEC seems to have marketed to corporations, mostly. The 8300 was an improvement that offered bug fixes, 8201A compatibility, xmodem in ROM, and an optional modem. Those with 8300s pls check my info -- I haven't ever gotten to play with one. I hear of a 128K ROM, but ... back in those days memory was often speced by Kbits, not Kbytes. A 128K ROM might really be 16K bytes (16K x 8 or 128K x 1), not 128K x 8. Without some chip numbers or confirmation from NEC docs/schematics, I doubt it had a 128K x 8 ROM unless it had a heck of a lot more features than I've heard of. 8201 and 8300 are the same series. Other 8xxx machines were different designs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of NEC PC-8201A ! death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life. Tandy 102 ! -- from Tao Te Ching, #76 From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Mon Sep 07 04:19:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 04:19:10 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 04:19:10 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26674 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA07972; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: (fwd) New Model 100 Emulator available (fwd) To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII fyi. See attached text from comp.sys.tandy. Might be interesting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of NEC PC-8201A ! death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life. Tandy 102 ! -- from Tao Te Ching, #76 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:17:41 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth To: djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Subject: (fwd) New Model 100 Emulator available From: kwd_removenospam@netcom.com (PLBM Games) Subject: New Model 100 Emulator available The new version of my Virtual Vanessa TRS-80 Model 100 emulator has been uploaded to my FTP site at: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/kw/kwd Enjoy! The old version is also available there, as vvold.zip, but I would highly recommend running only the new version. Kurt Dekker PLBM Games From drbinns@idirect.com Mon Sep 07 04:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 449 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 04:41:36 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 04:41:36 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26636; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (ts6-36t-25.idirect.com [209.161.226.121]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA24192; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809070441.AAA24192@terminus.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: , "m100" Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 00:41:52 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Paul Binns wrote: > > > Might it not be possible that by using the Windex in sufficient quantity > > to flood the "top plastic" that the liquid solution dripped down into > > the LCD itself, and damaged either _it_ or a contact or component > > nearby? > > That's a good assumption, Paul. If excess liquid were applied to the > clear plastic, it can easily flow over the sides, through the crack > between the clear plastic and the case and be soaked up by the foam > gasket on the inside. From there is woule evaporate and be trapped > within and ending up as a film on "everything" on the inside. However, we are talking about a 15 year old machine, and gaskets tend to dry out, especially when subjected to fluctuations in temperature and humidity. This you can attest to as an automobile affitionado. [sp?] The follow-up question I'd like to ask the original poster is how soon did they wait between cleaning the M100 and powering-up, and was the M100 plugged in (or batteries installed) when the cleaning was performed. >From my experience, a single drop of sweat falling onto the motherboard of my IBM-XT caused the board to short, necessitating its upgrade/ replacement..... which it needed anyway ;-) Well, these are thoughts running through my mind as possibilities for the troubles our friend is experiencing, and I've learned to never disregard any possibilities. (Baggage from my accounting background.... pray for me ;-) ) -=Paul=- From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Mon Sep 07 05:44:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 1223 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 05:44:51 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (ZvD9NngXzCU4L3hyM8F1hH3SZfloYgKk@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 05:44:51 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:55:50 PST To: Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Termcap File From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980906.145550.9e8.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:55:50 PST In-Reply-To: <85256675.005D676C.00@BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com writes: > A correction and some info regarding your M100 termcap. > > You have ESCape P and Q functions transposed. Should be: > # e P turn on cursor > # e Q turn off cursor > > The bottom-most screen row, which is 8th for Model 100 and 16th for Model > 200, can be included or excluded from line-scroll. Whatever appears within > bottom-most row, persists when the row is excluded from line-scroll. I > believe the excluded row is not excluded from row/column cursor positioning > (ESCape Y) -- thus it's possible to change what appears therein. > # e T set system line? == exclude bottom (8th) row > # e U reset system line? == include bottom (8th) row > > Line-scroll reaction of the screen can be changed. If you prevent > line-scroll then once the cursor migrates down to the bottom row, no > line-wrap or explicit LineFeed has any effect. In other words, there is no > row-to-row update that ripples in the upper rows -- no illusion of a scroll > motion. Also, the cursor advances to the 40th column and stays there while > subsequent characters appear there -- until a CarriageReturn places is back > at the 1st column. > # e V turn off LCD ? == prevent line-scroll > # e W turn on LCD ? == permit line-scroll A lot of that was comments in the original termcap file. Here's *my* documentation from the ctrl & esc sequences on the 100. (CTRESC.100 on CIS) "CRT only" means it only works when you are using the video display of the DVI as the current display (device CRT) "Printable" Ctrl Chars ---------------------- ^G bel bell ^H bs backspace (w/o erasing) ^I tab tab ^J lf linefeed (w/o carriage return) ^K vt home cursor (does not clear screen) ^L ff clear screen & home cursor ^M cr carriage return (w/o linefeed) ^[ esc escape (see escape sequence list below) ^\ fs cursor right (CRT only) (right-arrow key) ^] gs cursor left (CRT only) (left-arrow key) ^^ rs cursor up (CRT only) (up-arrow key) ^_ us cursor down (CRT only) (down-arrow key) DEL del basckspace & erase Escape Sequences ($=esc) ---------------- $A cursor up (stops at edge of screen) $B cursor down (stops at edge of screen) $C cursor right (stops at edge of screen) $D cursor left (stops at edge of screen) $E clear screen/home cursor $H home cursor (does not clear screen) $J erase from cursor to end of screen $K erase from cursor to end of line $L inserts blank line at cursor (text scrolls down) $M deletes line at cursor (text scrolls up to fill) $N bs & erase (will wrap around at start of line)(CRT only) $P cursor on $Q cursor off $R changes cursor from block to underline (CRT only) $T protects bottom line of screen $U unprotects bottom line of screen $V lock mode (screen will not scroll) $W unlock (screen will scroll normally) $X clear keyboard buffer? $Ylc positions cursor to line ASC(l)-32, column ASC(c)-32. If line or col greater than screen limits then uses maximum possible value. $b clear from cursor to beginning of screen (CRT only) $c executes WIDTH 40 (clears screen)(CRT only) $d executes WIDTH 80 (clears screen)(CRT only) $e starts flash mode (CRT only) $f ends flash mode (CRT only) $i stores current cursor position (CRT only) $j same as $E $k moves cursor to stored position (0,0 default) (CRT only) $l clears line at cursor position $n prints "ESCY" & lc code for current cursor position (CRT only) $p start reverse mode $q end reverse mode $z DO NOT USE! Most of the time it does WIDTH 40 & clears the stored cursor position. However sometimes it can cause a two-character delay between when a character is sent to the screen & when it is actually displayed. (ie type 123 & the 1 will show up as you type 3...) (CRT only) -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From thedock@value.net Mon Sep 07 14:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3825 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 14:23:49 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 14:23:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA19303 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Kevin Stewart wrote: > Hello, yesterday I went to RS to special-order a cass. cable (lost mine > years ago or sold it with my CoCo) I have tons of model 100 cassette cables. Will sell them for $5 delivered just to get them out of the warehouse. > I saw a few Cassette titles that I thought I might like (Basic Lab > 11400793 and Starblaze 11400967). I tried to order the tapes, but the > salesman informed me that they could no longer get it. This is a bit > odd as their catalog of special-order items is updated often. > > Does anyone know if it is possible to order these titles somewhere else > or has a copy that I might purchase? Oh for heaven's sake... here we go again... hello! Kevin (and everyone else) before asking Tandy for stuff they no longer carry for the Model 100 series, try and remember that Club 100 has a warehouse of this stuff. And in fact, I bought out entire Tandy warehouse contents of various Model 100 items. I have some Starblaze and a few of the Basic Labs. And if I don't have an item you want "then" go talk to Tandy and others. Frankly, I don't see anyone from Tandy Corp hanging around on this list, spending a few hours every morning answering support questions for free, year after year. And if they were really concerned about supporting you, wouldn't you think they have the resources and leadership skills necessary to support a full-featured web site filled with all their old stuff that they don't sell anylonger, etc., etc.? Am I bitching? Probably. -Rick- From thedock@value.net Mon Sep 07 14:43:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4168 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 14:43:40 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 14:43:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA21382 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Uncle John wrote: > On Sun, 6 Sep 1998 thedock@value.net wrote: > > > When we recondition machines, here at Club 100, one of the major reasons > > we remove all the components from the case halves is to clean them off > > with an electrical cleaner -- cause "stuff" builds up inside these puppies > > and you wouldn't believe what we've found in some! > > > > -Rick @ Club 100- > > I can't pass that up... What *have* you found in them? Okay, I'm game. We'll start with you typical assortment of dust, dirt and battery corrosion, just to get that out of the way. Then there's the various insect nests with "live" insects; such as spiders, beatles and worms. Then we'll move onto the more useful things like "notes" and "pictures" placed inside by repair people, along with drawings with a felt-tip marker on the grounding/shielding plate between the motherboard and the case -- there are plenty of artists an jokers out there. Keyboards are especially filled with "stuff" like hair, gum, paper chips and more insects ... and beverage residue ... coffee is a biggie. Along with the "stuff" we see various "repairs" by Tandy personnel. Some are really exotic with chips glued to the top of chips and wires running helter-skelter. At one time, installing a nicad conversion was a big deal -- especially after an article that came out in Portable 100 Magazine. Let's just say that these aren't real pretty! :-( ) That's about it. I will say, though, that we do see differences in quality over time in the Model 100 series. The last issues were really very nice inside and are well worth keeping. For instance, if the padding under your keys is rubber vs. cloth, you have a winner. And if you crack the case and see 3 8K RAM modules that aren't removable, that's a winner. Those were the best of the best Model 100s. Thanks for asking... -Rick @ Club 100- From eric@lightbolt.com Mon Sep 07 16:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5317 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 16:38:43 -0000 Received: from sugaree.dundee.net (206.249.104.21) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 16:38:43 -0000 Received: from [204.157.85.44] [204.157.85.44] by sugaree.dundee.net (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC13F3A007C; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:38:43 EDT X-Sender: eric@mailhost.dundee.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:42:44 -0500 To: m100@list.30below.com From: eric@lightbolt.com (eric) Subject: ROM module "Interactive Solutions" Does anyone have a ROM module called "Interactive Solutions"? Does anyone know what this ROM program does and ... Does anyone have one to sell? When You think as fast as Lightning, Your bound to make spelling errors. Lightning Bolt 1-800-968-5670 7809 Raintree Dr Ypsilanti MI 48197 From hamvak@mindspring.com Mon Sep 07 18:53:29 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6845 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 18:53:28 -0000 Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (207.69.200.58) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 18:53:28 -0000 Received: from default (pool-207-205-143-247.rvdl.grid.net [207.205.143.247]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11856; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01bdda90$e7c5fd20$f78fcdcf@default> Reply-To: "Vince (AA9TL)" From: "Vince (AA9TL)" To: , "m100" Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:54:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Worms!!! Insect nests!!! Next time I buy used equipment, I'm going to take a closer look at its innards before I get too chummy with it! -----Original Message----- From: thedock@value.net To: m100 Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks >On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Uncle John wrote: >> >> I can't pass that up... What *have* you found in them? > >Okay, I'm game. We'll start with you typical assortment of dust, dirt and >battery corrosion, just to get that out of the way. Then there's the >various insect nests with "live" insects; such as spiders, beatles and >worms. From 76467.1734@compuserve.com Mon Sep 07 19:09:36 1998 Return-Path: <76467.1734@compuserve.com> Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7130 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 19:09:35 -0000 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com (149.174.206.132) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 19:09:35 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.14) id PAA26193 for m100@list.30below.com; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:06:32 -0400 From: David Firth <76467.1734@compuserve.com> Subject: Whoops. Sender: David Firth <76467.1734@compuserve.com> To: m100@list.30below.com Message-ID: <199809071509_MC2-58A9-CE56@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sorry about the "full mailbox" messages. Turns out Compuserve only allows 100 messages in the queue using the old mail system via ASCII access. I enabled CIS on the listserv so that I could logon to the list via the Tandy 102 whilst travelling. At the last minute, the T102 got swapped out with the NEC and I didn't check CIS all last week. Y'all have been busy. 100 messages queued up in no time. Dave Firth via the "less often checked alternate email": 76467.1734@compuserve.com From goflo@pacbell.net Mon Sep 07 19:48:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7545 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 19:48:17 -0000 Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (206.13.28.25) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 19:48:17 -0000 Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp-206-170-125-50.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.125.50]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id MAA09485 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35F4396A.206E@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 12:52:10 -0700 From: goflo@pacbell.net Reply-To: goflo@pacbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-PBXG (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: bugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My first computer was a TI-59 - I was in heaven, and after recovering from the financial shock ( ~ $800 in 1998 dollars ) set out to acquire the printer/cradle (PC-100, I think). Hard copy! Awesome. Unfortunately, the printer was a bug magnet. I lived in Hawaii at the time, where the supply is adequate to begin with, but this thing was irresistable. I cleaned. I sprayed. I stored my food in sacks in trees. I even bitched to TI - Nothing helped. Finally tossed the printer - No more bugs. Go figure. Regards, Jack Vince (AA9TL) wrote: > Worms!!! Insect nests!!! Next time I buy used equipment, I'm going to take a > closer look at its innards before I get too chummy with it! From InfoBBS@aol.com Mon Sep 07 22:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8786 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 22:50:53 -0000 Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 22:50:53 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id TMFGa11276 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: InfoBBS@aol.com Message-ID: <93b0e0ec.35f4633c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:50:36 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I'm looking for... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Claris Emailer v2.0 I'm looking for information on portable printers that were made for the model 100. I have a TRP-100 printer that doesn't work right now,so I looking into finding a smaller printer in the range of 40-column to 80-colum width. So please if you know of any please send the company name and product name. Thank you Shea From dpfister@kc.net Mon Sep 07 23:49:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9504 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1998 23:49:07 -0000 Received: from mail.kc.net (HELO mail.kcdata.com) (root@209.242.64.52) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 1998 23:49:07 -0000 Received: from xxx.xxx.xxx (tnt-02-192.kc.net [209.242.85.192]) by mail.kcdata.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA05071 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:48:47 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.16.19980907184729.4b97c530@pop3.kc.net> X-Sender: dpfister@pop3.kc.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (16) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 18:47:29 To: "m100" From: Don Pfister KA0JLF Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks In-Reply-To: <001c01bdda90$e7c5fd20$f78fcdcf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:54 PM 9/7/98 -0500, Vince (AA9TL) wrote: >Worms!!! Insect nests!!! Next time I buy used equipment, I'm going to take a >closer look at its innards before I get too chummy with it! >-----Original Message----- >From: thedock@value.net >To: m100 >Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 9:44 AM >Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks > > >>On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Uncle John wrote: >>> >>> I can't pass that up... What *have* you found in them? >> >>Okay, I'm game. We'll start with you typical assortment of dust, dirt and >>battery corrosion, just to get that out of the way. Then there's the >>various insect nests with "live" insects; such as spiders, beatles and >>worms. > I see your worms, spiders and insects and raise you a family of mice (live)... Fortunately it wasn't my shop, but friends that got the family of mice. They were in a TRS-80 model 1 or 3, I don't remember now. Other 'on site' stories to gross you out too... Best wishes, Don [Signature File] Name=Don Pfister KA0JLF HABITAT SkyLab (High Altitude Basic Investigation Testing And Tracking) Email=dpfister@kc.net or donp@netlab.org http://www.netlab.org/habitat http://www.kc.net/~dpfister http://www.netlab.org/~donp http://www.netlab.org:8888/ Visit the Lab in the Hobby wing. HABITAT being built... From thedock@value.net Tue Sep 08 14:37:31 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 14890 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1998 14:37:29 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 14:37:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA10088 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: I'm looking for... In-Reply-To: <93b0e0ec.35f4633c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 InfoBBS@aol.com wrote: > I'm looking for information on portable printers that were made for the > model 100. I have a TRP-100 printer that doesn't work right now,so I > looking into finding a smaller printer in the range of 40-column to > 80-colum width. So please if you know of any please send the company > name and product name. Thank you Shea Back in the "old daze" there was the TTXpress and the Hush 80. There were others. These names are on the top of my head. Sorry to hear your TRP-100 isn't working correctly. -Rick @ Club 100- From charles@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com Tue Sep 08 14:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15179 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1998 14:59:47 -0000 Received: from gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com (@192.76.82.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 14:59:47 -0000 Received: by gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com id LAA28682 (GTE Telephone Operations SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m100@list.30below.com); Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:00:08 -0400 Received: by gtedstpa.bdi.gte.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:00:08 -0400 From: "Charles E. Stepp" Message-Id: <199809081500.LAA06957@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com> Subject: Re: TRS-80 m100 Cassettes To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:00:07 EDT In-Reply-To: ; from "thedock@value.net" at Sep 7, 98 7:24 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] > > Frankly, I don't see anyone from Tandy Corp hanging around on this list, > spending a few hours every morning answering support questions for free, > year after year. And if they were really concerned about supporting you, > wouldn't you think they have the resources and leadership skills necessary > to support a full-featured web site filled with all their old stuff that > they don't sell anylonger, etc., etc.? > > Am I bitching? Probably. -Rick- > Way back when, I used to work for one of the Tandy Training and Support centers. Over a period of years our orgnanizations built up a pretty impressive inventory of skills and services (the quality of which varied TREMENDOUSLY throughout the country), but in one quick slash, that entire concept was axed by Tandy. There are many organizations now that charge good money for just this sort of service, but Tandy gets lost in its 47% profit puppy dog radio history every so often. There were once rabid TRS80 lovers, but Tandy has definitely put the kabosh on that stuff. -- ____ __ ___ /\ _`\ /\ \ 813-615-0392 Home /\_ \ \ \ \/\_\\ \ \___ __ _ __\//\ \ __ ____ \ \ \/_/_\ \ _ `\ /'__`\ /\`'__\\ \ \ /'__`\ /',__\ \ \ \_\ \\ \ \ \ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \_\ \_/\ __//\__, `\ \ \____/ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ /\____\ \____\/\____/ \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/____/\/____/\/___/ ____ __ /\ _`\ /\ \__ charles@fawn11.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com \ \,\_\_\ \ ,_\ __ _____ _____ \/_\__ \\ \ \/ /'__`\/\ '__`\/\ '__`\ /\ \_\ \ \ \_/\ __/\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ `\____\ \__\ \____\\ \ ,__/\ \ ,__/ \/_____/\/__/\/____/ \ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \_\ \ \_\ 813-978-2056 Work \/_/ \/_/ From ctsharpe@earthlink.net Tue Sep 08 15:59:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 15738 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1998 15:59:50 -0000 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.123) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 15:59:50 -0000 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust108.tnt6.tco2.da.uu.net [153.37.3.108]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04700 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35F55631.3494E5A3@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:07:13 -0400 From: Christopher Sharpe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: file transfer to Win98 from PC8201-A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Anyone know how to do file transfer to Win98 (or Win95 or Win 3.1) from PC8201-A ( preferably for less than $20) ? I used to be able to get into MSDOS and do mode com2 9600,e copy COM2 myFile and then, on the NEC PC8201-A, use a BASIC program to copy a file (over a serial cable) to the PC, but I'm having trouble getting it working. Thanks in advance! From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Tue Sep 08 16:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16018 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1998 16:16:57 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 16:16:57 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21994 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id MAA00154; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:54:29 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: I'm looking for... To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I'm looking for information on portable printers that were made for the > > model 100. I have a TRP-100 printer that doesn't work right now,so I > Back in the "old daze" there was the TTXpress and the Hush 80. There were > others. These names are on the top of my head. Sorry to hear your > TRP-100 isn't working correctly. -Rick @ Club 100- Plenty of small printers avail used that'll do the job. The Canon BJ-5 and BJ-10 variants were good. There was the Kodak Diconix. HP had a small thermal printer -- but the name escapes me. The HP Deskjet 310 and 320 are good. Citizen had some (and still makes one I believe). I have a Canon BJ-10e and an HP Deskjet 310. I like them both, and both work admirably with my NEC/T102. It is slightly harder to find new Canon BC-01 ink cartridges than the HP ones, but supplies are still avail for either printer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of NEC PC-8201A ! death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life. Tandy 102 ! -- from Tao Te Ching, #76 From thedock@value.net Tue Sep 08 16:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16428 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1998 16:48:11 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 16:48:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA09044; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Christopher Sharpe cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: file transfer to Win98 from PC8201-A In-Reply-To: <35F55631.3494E5A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris: Of course, the very best way that works consistantly well is the combination of a DOS in your NEC, a null-modem cable and the Club 100's free offering of DeskLink (see catalog for a pointer to the ftp download of DL-ARC.EXE. The only hard part will be the DOS in your NEC. If you just happend to have something for a tpdd or tpdd2 then that will work. The best, of course, is the NEC-version of TS-DOS on ROM (see catalog). At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Christopher Sharpe wrote: > Hi, > Anyone know how to do file transfer to Win98 (or Win95 or Win 3.1) > from PC8201-A ( preferably for less than $20) ? > > I used to be able to get into MSDOS and do > > mode com2 9600,e > copy COM2 myFile > > and then, on the NEC PC8201-A, use a BASIC program to copy a file > (over a serial cable) to the PC, but I'm having trouble getting it > working. > > Thanks in advance! > > From antilles@erols.com Tue Sep 08 22:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19709 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1998 22:46:45 -0000 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1998 22:46:45 -0000 Received: from erols.com (207-172-206-86.s23.as2.blb.erols.com [207.172.206.86]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07241 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F50C16.F715114C@erols.com> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 06:51:03 -0400 From: Scott Roberts Organization: First Amendment Radio Transmitting Society X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks References: <199809070441.AAA24192@terminus.idirect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Binns wrote: > The follow-up question I'd like to ask the original poster is how soon > did they wait between cleaning the M100 and powering-up, and was > the M100 plugged in (or batteries installed) when the cleaning was > performed. I powered it up as soon as I cleaned up the LCD display. Batteries were not installed during cleaning. I'll take the unit apart today, I haven't had a chance to before today. -Scott From djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us Thu Sep 10 05:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 2022 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1998 05:08:34 -0000 Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (164.107.107.13) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 05:08:34 -0000 Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09926 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from djfirth@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id BAA18458; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:58:41 -0400 (EDT) From: David Firth Subject: Re: file transfer to Win98 from PC8201-A To: M100 Listserv In-Reply-To: <35F55631.3494E5A3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Anyone know how to do file transfer to Win98 (or Win95 or Win 3.1) > from PC8201-A ( preferably for less than $20) ? > > I used to be able to get into MSDOS and do [snip] I never liked MODE and COPY solutions. They didn't seem to work the same way on all machines with all versions/flavors of DOS. For example, we had troubles with MODE and COPY while shooting images to a plotter from Tandy and Toshiba DOS laptops in the old days. MODE always felt kludgey because it wasn't consistent. I used several DOS machines and versions (still have IBM PCDOS 7, Toshiba DOS 2.11, Tandy MSDOS 3.3 in service and they don't all work alike). Since you'll move files in ASCII form, I recommend a null modem transfer. Go into TEXT and try the LOAD"COM ... solution. I don't have the exact syntax with me (out of the office in a dry dry dry Y2K embedded system remediation training course). Use something like Hyperterm in direct to COM1 (or whatever port) mode and try to get it to ASCII upload with "Send Text File" mode in the "Transfer" menu. MODE is a way to directly manipulate the serial port settings from the command line. It might (might, not will) work in MSDOS mode, but I doubt MODE will do a satisfactory job in a windowed command line session. I could be wrong, but I have enough com troubles with old DOS code in Win95B from windowed sessions that I don't trust the old ways. Too much of my legacy code at work is breaking under 32 bit Windows. Rick's DOS solution is cleanest, but won't meet your $20 requirement. If you decide to raise the bar a bit, I highly recommend TSDOS. Nice program. Let us know how your experiments work out. If you really have to, try using the download command in TELCOM TERM, but that may force you to drop your baud rate due to screen scroll. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Firth ! Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of NEC PC-8201A ! death. The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life. Tandy 102 ! -- from Tao Te Ching, #76 From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Thu Sep 10 11:05:43 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 3754 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1998 11:05:42 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (fXVXSfV9CdpBQh/v9T8EpcosjQ3XUNup@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 11:05:42 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:25:16 PST To: m100@list.30below.com X-Original-Article-From: David Firth Subject: Re: file transfer to Win98 from PC8201-A From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980909.232516.4g5.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:25:16 PST In-Reply-To: Organization: Shadownet Message-ID: <3114483870@random-pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-" X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 >> Anyone know how to do file transfer to Win98 (or Win95 or Win 3.1) >> from PC8201-A ( preferably for less than $20) ? Here are a couple of DOS programs that do file transfers via null modem at 9600 bps. FLTIBM1 is for COM1, FLTIBM2 is for COM2. These are ancient, but work (at least under DOS) This is a MIME encoded message. Decode it with "munpack" or any other MIME reading software. 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10 Sep 1998 23:41:45 -0000 Received: from brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (208.158.176.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 23:41:45 -0000 Received: from BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com (bi01.boca.ssc.siemens.com [135.1.82.80]) by brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA28524 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525667B.008227D5 ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:41:38 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SIEMENS_STROMBERG-CARLSON From: Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com To: M100 Listserv Message-ID: <8525667B.008225E7.00@BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:43:05 -0400 Subject: File transfers via PC COM port under Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline David Firth wrote on 09/10/98: > MODE is a way to directly manipulate the serial port settings from > the command line. It might (might, not will) work in MSDOS mode, but > I doubt MODE will do a satisfactory job in a windowed command line > session. I could be wrong, but I have enough com troubles with old > DOS code in Win95B from windowed sessions that I don't trust the old > ways. Too much of my legacy code at work is breaking under 32 bit > Windows. ============= AGREE I agree that much DOS legacy code breaks down under Windows. This is particularly true of code that manages a COM port. LapDOS for example breaks down. Fortunately DeskLink, which has the potential to break down, does not break down. ============= ABOUT THE MS-DOS MODE OF WINDOWS Don't confuse this with merely obtaining a "DOS prompt" shell from Windows -- that's not what "MS-DOS mode" means. I've found that forcing Windows into "MS-DOS mode" avoids DOS legacy code break down. This is not practical because it's clumsy and time consuming. Where it's done via "PIF properties", Windows wastes your time while it "shuts itself down", restarts the PC "in MS-DOS mode", invokes the DOS legacy code (at last), and upon termination "restarts the PC" so you end up back in Windows. Taking near equal time to shut down and to start up, Windows wastes so much time that you can go pour yourself a coffee and have a few sips before all this activity ends. So use the "PIF properties" approach for infrequent, one-shot, or emergency situations. Here's how. Create a PIF for the DOS legacy code. The easy way is to make a "shortcut" that refers to the DOS legecy code file. Create it with New, Shortcut. Then set the Properties, (tab)Program/Advanced, MS-DOS mode. ============= FINDINGS ABOUT COM PORT MANAGEMENT BY WINDOWS With respect to COM port management, why DOS legacy code breaks down under Windows is not completely clear to me yet. I am investigating this. To date I've found nothing on WWW, including Microsoft support, that correctly identifies the cause. Instead I've found much that misidentifies the cause as use of (or lack of use of) FIFO buffers with 16550 compatible UARTs. THIS IS NOT THE CAUSE, but fiddling with it can mitigate the symptoms -- so don't waste your time along this line. By careful experiment I have identified that Windows itself (except where it's in MS-DOS mode) stands as "an event buffer" between COM port hardware and DOS legacy code. The code does not sense COM port events in realtime. In some cases, realtime COM port events remain buffered so long that they remain invisible indefinitely! THIS SYMPTOM BEARS ON THE CAUSE, whatever that cause proves to be. Yes, you can fool around with System_Properties, Device_Manager, Communications_Port, settings so that the symptom isn't severe enough to break down a particular DOS legacy code. But what reduces severity for one DOS legacy code aggrivates severity for another -- so don't waste your time. ============= FREE STUFF AT CLUB 100 Currently the DL-ARC.EXE from Club 100 encloses DESKLINK.COM and TEENY.BA which provide PC<-->Model 100 file transfer service. These are public domain items Club 100 provides for free. I am the author of WEENY.BA. I plan to provide TEENY.EXE to Club 100 as a replacement for TEENY.BA. This simplifies the creation of TEENY.CO by letting the PC directly inject the TEENY.BA statements into the laptop and invoke them immediately. The end effect (creation of TEENY.CO) is the same as with TEENY.BA. I want TEENY.EXE to be generic so it works in any PC whether the PC operating system is DOS or Windows. At this time TEENY.EXE does not exist. ============= FREE STUFF FROM ME Instead, TEENYDOS.EXE and TEENYWIN.EXE exist: TEENYDOS is specific to the DOS operating system, TEENYWIN.EXE is specific to the Windows operating system. Both default to COM port 1, at 19200 Baud. They both have command line switch overrides, similar to DESKLINK.COM, for operation at any COM port 1 to 4, at 19200 Baud or at 9600 Baud. They cite the appropriate laptop BASIC statement: RUN"COM:98N1E or RUN"COM:88N1E on the PC screen before injection, and after starting laptop execution they explain the laptop "End address" prompt -- it's "no brainer" usage. TEENYDOS.EXE and TEENYWIN.EXE are fully functional and I'll send them to anyone who asks. Use a /? command line switch on either and they show their command line syntax and examples. But they are not "polished software" (they work and they exist) because my plan is for a generic TEENY.EXE which I will polish. ============= TEENYDOS.EXE TEENYDOS.EXE works fine and at 19200 Baud the injection gets done in 18 seconds. This is true under DOS, or under Windows in its "MS_DOS" mode. ============= TEENYWIN.EXE TEENYWIN.EXE has a wide enough "rubber range" to work with Windows. This rubber lies in an additional default and command line override for "pace" which LETS YOU COPE with the Windows "COM port event buffer". Where the default pace works, then at 19200 Baud the injection job gets done in 2 minutes! Of course you can override with a higher pace and you save a little on injection time IF IT WORKS! Where the (default or override) pace doesn't work, injection hangs (PC screen cites laptop BASIC command to release hung PC) and you must try a lower pace. From swalker@link.ca Thu Sep 10 23:51:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9494 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1998 23:51:26 -0000 Received: from the.link.ca (198.169.185.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1998 23:51:26 -0000 Received: from ast (dial177.link.ca [204.83.156.177]) by the.link.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA02995 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:51:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199809102351.RAA02995@the.link.ca> From: "Steve Walker" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: New subscriber + I2C on M100? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:14:01 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new to this list, but have been a M100 user since they first came out, although admittedly I sold mine after a year or so, and only recently 're-acquired' one at a garage sale. I'm curious if anyone has designed or built an I2C interface for the Model 100, perhaps by bit-banging on the printer port? Steve Walker Saskatoon, Canada From m5012@gorilla.net Fri Sep 11 00:09:11 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9812 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 00:09:10 -0000 Received: from gorillanet.gorilla.net (208.128.8.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 00:09:10 -0000 Received: from MATT (MATT [208.143.84.30]) by gorillanet.gorilla.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/18.aaac) with ESMTP id ha424457 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:08:39 -0500 From: "matt & corey" To: Subject: Compu$erve thieves? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:13:02 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <00083986803098@gorilla.net> Does Compu$erve OWN its content, like its (supposedly) extensive M100 files? Apparently, these were UPLOADED to C$ by MEMBERS - in other words, NO they do NOT own it. I am looking for someone who already uses C$ to "liberate" their file library, except what they might ACTUALLY own. If no one does this, I will join C$ long enough to leech the ENTIRE content of the M100 section, including whatever C$ might own, and make it publicly available via several freepage providers. I find it very rude of them to lock people out. Does anyone have any LOGICAL reason that I shouldn't just "liberate" these materials? From eric@lightbolt.com Fri Sep 11 01:30:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10772 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 01:30:56 -0000 Received: from sugaree.dundee.net (206.249.104.21) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 01:30:56 -0000 Received: from [204.157.85.52] [204.157.85.67] by sugaree.dundee.net (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD4615F01AA; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:30:46 EDT X-Sender: eric@mailhost.dundee.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:34:39 -0500 To: m100@list.30below.com From: eric@lightbolt.com (eric) Subject: L@@king for some info/help/direction ... Does anyone know where I might find these three things ... A) A model 100 emulator. B) A video adapter for the NEC8201A C) I can now burn programs for the model 100 and 200 ROMS (EPROM). THANK YOU FOR THEOS OF YOU THAT HELPED :) I am looking for info on the GAURDIAN system that worked for the NEC8201A. It let you put BASIC programs on the optional ROM (EPROM). Any ROM info about the NEC8201A would be great! Thaks all! When You think as fast as Lightning, Your bound to make spelling errors. Lightning Bolt 1-800-968-5670 7809 Raintree Dr Ypsilanti MI 48197 From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Fri Sep 11 15:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 16507 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 15:16:16 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 15:16:16 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa28395; 11 Sep 98 11:08 EDT Message-ID: <35F93D67.DAB9230A@c2-tech.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:10:31 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Model 100 List Subject: Re: I2C on M100? References: <199809102351.RAA02995@the.link.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Walker wrote: > I'm curious if anyone has designed or built an I2C interface for the >Model 100, perhaps by bit-banging on the printer port? What a great idea! Hardware hackers like me use I2C a lot to program EEPROMS, frequency synthesizers, etc. I have a piece of 'C' code that I wrote about five years ago to "bit-bang" I2C out the PC parallel port, and I suppose I could port it to the M100 using SmallC. However, I2C is so lax about its clock rate (since the master controls it) that you could bit-bang I2C in Basic. In fact, I _have_ bit-banged I2C in Basic for the PIC microcontroller. For that matter, you could do the same for SPI and Microwire, too, which are similar protocols that use more wires. As for the hardware interface, a 2N2222 or 2N3904 (both from the Shack) NPN transistor hooked to a parallel port output pin would allow you to do the bidirectional data line. D1 could be used as a "power supply" for the pullup resistor, with D0 the data out (inverted) and BUSY IN used for the input. The wretched ASCII figure below shows the circuit. The pin numbers are on the Printer port of the Model 100: |-------------- I2C DATA LINE (SDA) | | /--*--(4.7K RESISTOR)--- PD1(pin5) |/ | PD0(pin3)--(1K RESISTOR)---| |-------------------- BUSYIN(pin25) |\ 2N3904 | \------------------------GND(pin 24) PD2(pin7)---------------------------------------I2C CLOCK LINE (SCL) You'd just have to make sure bit 1 (PD1) always stayed high (1), since it powers the pullup resistor. Also, you'll have to bring out GND to the circuit you're driving, but you knew that. You'd need routines to send an address, send a byte, read a byte, send a start, send a stop, and generate an acknowledge. That's all, unless you're gonna do weird multi-master stuff. Check out the I2C spec at: http://www-us2.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/various/I2C_BUS_SPECIFICATION_1995.PDF Maybe I'll try to put some routines together and try 'em out tonight. Just my $0.02 Steve Bragg RF Engineer, C2 Technologies Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA Model-100-Controlled Rocket Tracking System! http://darts.c2-tech.com From kevin.slater@ingrambook.com Fri Sep 11 16:57:09 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17452 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:57:07 -0000 Received: from ns1.ingrambook.com (208.129.249.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:57:07 -0000 Received: from [172.18.16.7] by ns1.ingrambook.com via smtpd (for mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:57:13 UT Received: from kslater.ingrambook.com ([172.18.21.243]) by ibcntmail.ingrambook.com (2.0 Build 2144 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA26764 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:01:20 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Kevin Slater" To: "Model 100 List" Subject: Assembly Book Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:01:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bddda5$d1d23ac0$f31512ac@kslater.ingrambook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I just wanted to brag to the list about the 8080/8085 Assembly Language Subroutines book by Lance A. Leventhal & Winthrop Saville. I just received it in the mail from Books N Stuff in Osceola, IA. I ordered it through ABE online book ordering. Thanks to whoever posted this web page originally. Also Rick any word on the Cleuseu/ROM2 source code that you were going to check on. Kevin From tmne@pop.conknet.com Fri Sep 11 17:06:49 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17659 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 17:06:48 -0000 Received: from conknet.com (HELO harriett.conknet.com) (204.165.214.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 17:06:48 -0000 Received: from [206.32.3.158] by harriett.conknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52355U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:01:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Y2K Loader. Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 13:06:54 -0400 x-sender: tmne@pop.conknet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mike Nugent To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This isn't exactly what people are looking for but may provide some direction. DATFIX.ASM (below) was written to work around the Model 100's "date bug," wherein, due to a flaw in a piece of the Tandy's interrupt handling code, the year's one's digit of the date would often increment during serial port activity at high baud rates, such as during file transfers to a PC or such. Basically, DATFIX.ASM repeatedly plugs a user-defined year digit into the proper place in system RAM, to maintain the year at the proper value. It also increments the year (one's digit only) at midnight on Dec. 31. It doesn't account for leap years, however. (I just returned from two weeks on the road and am playing major catch-up right now. No time right now to find the "real" code, which handles leap years and the 19/20 "thang." But at least this may get y'all started.) As to loading the code, I generally use a technique in which the machine language is embedded in REM statements within a BASIC program. An example of this is HOTKEY.BA (follows the DATFIX.ASM listing below). HOTKEY ain't the slickest of programs -- I had to write it way too quickly at the request of a magazine -- but it should at least illustrate the method. Hope this helps! I apologize in advance if I won't be able to provide timely replies to any questions. ------------------------------------------------- ;DATFIX.ASM Model 100/102 DATE$ bug handler ; Copyright 1990 Tri-Mike Network East ; by Mike Nugent ;For noncommercial use by private individuals. ;All other rights reserved. ;Designed for minimum CPU cycles/bytes, DATFIX is spliced ;into the background task via the TP timing pulse (TP) hook ;at F5FF, executing every 4 milliseconds. The code at DATFIX ;duplicates ROM code at 1B35 (where the hook would normally ;return) except that XTHL replaces the ROM's PUSH H, thus ;pushing HL onto the stack and doing away with the return ;address of 1B35. ;Then DATE calls CHKYR to see if it's time to roll over to a ;new year. CHKYR first checks whether the PEND flag is set. ;When PEND is not set, the code falls through to NOPEND, ;which checks to see if it's December 31 yet. If so, it sets ;the PEND flag before returning; otherwise it simply ;returns. ;When PEND is set (meaning it's December 31) CHKYR causes a ;jump to ISPEND. ISPEND simply looks to see when midnight ;has passed (i.e., the date has become January 1). Once it ;has become January 1, our own stored year digit (at YRFIX) ;is incremented, and the PEND flag is reset. ;Upon returning from either subroutine, FIXYR plugs our own ;year-one's digit into F92D, where the computer stores it, ;thus keeping the year correct. Then it jumps to 1B3D in the ;system ROM to continue the background task. Voila! ;Note that FIXYR is the operand byte (n) of the MVI A,n ;instruction. Whatever program is used to install this code ;should poke the desired value (0-9) of the year-one's ;digit into FIXYR. Thereafter, the code will update the year ;automatically. ;RST 7.5 does DI:JMP 1B32 ;1B32: CALL F5FF ;F5FF: JMP DATFIX org ea60h ;arbitrary--for development only datfix: xthl ;push hl, waste RET to 1b35 push d ;save all regs push b push psw mvi a,0dh ;allow only sim ;UART intrpt ei date: call chkyr ;chk rollover fixyr: mvi a,0 ;a<-correct yr yrfix: equ $-1 ;from here sta f92dh ;plug it in jmp 1b3dh ;continue w/ROM ;--- datfix s/r's --- chkyr: lxi d,pend ;de^12/31 flag ldax d ;a<-flag ora a ;new yr pending? lda f92ch ;a<-mth (1-12), regardless jnz ispend ;nw yr pending nopend: sui 0ch ;december? rnz ;no lhld f939h ;hl<-day bytes dcr h ;is 3x? dcr h dcr h rnz ;no dcr l ;is 31st? rnz ;no inr a ;a<-1 stax d ;set pend flag ret ispend: dcr a ;january yet? rnz ;no stax d ;yes, reset flg lxi h,yrfix ;and update our inr m ;year fix val ret pend: db 0 ;pending rollover flag pgmsiz: equ $-datfix end ------------------------------------------------- [From Portable 100 magazine, Sep. '88, p. 21. Modified and uploaded by author for use of CompuServe members. Please request permission to upload to other services.] HOTKEY: Escape Artist Burn up your keyboard with simple, two-key commands. by Mike Nugent HOTKEY is a little utility that performs some special magic with simple, two-key commands. Whether you're in BASIC, TEXT, ADDRSS, SCHEDL, or Detroit, this mini-Houdini can: * Display the current day, date, and time * Automatically type the day, date, or time * Send a form feed to your printer * Offer a choice of five-space or eight-space tabs * Turn itself off It can be customized, uses only 379 bytes of RAM, and as a bonus, even fixes the Model 100 "date bug." Sound good? Then on with the show! First, the program must not be modified, except that remark lines need contain only the line number and the apostrophe (or REM). Save the program to RAM as HOTKEY.BA (it expects that name!). And save it to tape or disk as well, as a backup for later use. CAUTION: Because HOTKEY uses machine language, mistakes here can vaporize your files. Before proceeding, backup anything important! 'Nuff said. INSTALLING HOTKEY To install HOTKEY, first kill all other .BA programs except PG Design's MENU.BA, Micro Demon's SUPERA, and Tri- Mike's DVORAK, if you use any of those. Note that some BASIC programs don't show a .BA extension (for example, Traveling Software's UR-2, RANDOM, TWORD+). When in doubt about a file, kill it. Now run HOTKEY.BA. It installs in less than a minute, shrinking itself to 379 bytes, then returns to the main menu, ready to use. If you get a Load Error message, see the LOAD ERROR section below. Never edit the installed HOTKEY.BA! You can list it (it will look weird), but don't edit it! USING HOTKEY To turn HOTKEY on, just run it. The menu quickly returns, and HOTKEY.BA disappears. Why? So you can't kill it. Killing it while it's active can cause a cold start. It will reappear when you turn it off. HOTKEY commands work anywhere except TELCOM's Term mode and the main menu. To execute a command, press ESC followed by the appropriate key: Hotkey Meaning ESC-V (View) Display day/date/time on top line until any key is pressed ESC-D (Date) Type current date in MM/DD/YY format ESC-T (Time) Type current time in HH:MM:SS format ESC-W (Week) Type day of the week, e.g., "Mon" ESC-F (Form) Send form feed to printer ESC-O (Off) Turn HOTKEY off ESC-TAB (Tab) Five-space tab The Date, Time, and Week commands actually type the information as though it came from the keyboard. The View command only displays it on your screen. The Form command sends a form feed, CHR$(12), to the printer or beeps if the printer isn't ready. This is handy for printing multiple files to a buffered printer. Pressing ESC-F after each print command ensures that your files are separated by form feeds; no need to wait until one report has printed before printing the next one. Whereas the normal TAB types a tab character, CHR$(9), ESC-TAB types the necessary number of spaces to produce a five-space tab. The Off command turns HOTKEY off, beeps to acknowledge the command, and makes HOTKEY.BA visible again on the main menu. EXTRAS Have you met the notorious Model 100 date bug, the one where, for no apparent reason, it's suddenly next year? HOTKEY ends this game of musical years and keeps you solidly planted in 1988 (or whatever year you're actually living in). Each year, you can change the last data item in line 580 to match the current year. You can customize some features of HOTKEY. If you prefer date and time in the shorter MM/DD and HH:MM format, change the 9 in line 840 to a 6. To change the printer character the Form command sends, replace the 12 in line 880 with another value. A value of 15, for example, puts some printers into condensed mode. Though I don't advise it, changing "238, 8" in line 600 to "127, 127" leaves HOTKEY visible when active. It will appear on the menu as +OTKEY.BA, the + being an extra safeguard against its accidental demise. But many DOS's and utilities can easily zap it and blow your machine off into the weeds. LOAD ERROR Packing machine code into a .BA program (as HOTKEY does) can be a complex affair, because you can't predict where the program will reside in memory. Since the values of certain bytes depend on the program's location, sometimes a byte contains a value BASIC misinterprets. The Load Error message warns you of such a byte. You must move the code higher in memory, a byte at a time, until all the bytes are acceptable to BASIC. Here's how: 1. Type NEW and press ENTER. Type KILL "HOTKEY.BA" and press ENTER. 2. Load a fresh copy of HOTKEY.BA from disk or cassette, and save it to RAM as HOTKEY.BA. 3. Edit line 10. Insert an X right after the REM, making it REMX. 4. Edit line 110. Change the +5 to +6 5. Edit line 2000. Change the +5 to +6. 6. You've moved the program up one byte in memory. Try running it again. If it still fails, repeat steps 1-6, inserting another X (for example, REMXX) and adding 1 more to the numbers in lines 110 and 2000. Keep repeating these steps until it works. One or two X's usually does the trick. If you've added 5 or 6 X's, I suggest you carefully double check your program listing for errors. COMPATIBILITY Compatibility with other programs depends on how they handle a system vector that HOTKEY uses: 1) TS-DOS likes it just fine. 2) There's no conflict with MENU.BA. 3) It's completely compatible with DVORAK (of course!). 4) SUPERA turns HOTKEY off, and vice versa, so use them one at a time. 5) Ultimate ROM II (v1.22) cooperates with a few exceptions: a) UR-2 programs exit to the main menu rather than to UR-2's menu. b) After using HOTKEY's View command with UR-2's VIEW80 activated, the screen clears completely. Scrolling up or down restores the missing lines. c) CTRL-J, CTRL-O, and CTRL-L functions of UR-2's TEXT are disabled with HOTKEY active. To reenable them, turn HOTKEY off via its ESC-O command. d) After exiting a text file from UR-2, the main menu shows TEXT as TEXT. (with an added period). e) These problems appear to be harmless so far, but be cautious. With any new software, make frequent backups until you know what works with what. 6) Ultimate ROM II (v2.07 and v2.12) are incompatible. FUTURE POSSIBILITIES I meant HOTKEY to be a small, simple utility. But with all those other keys on the keyboard just begging to become part of HOTKEY's repertoire, I wasn't sure when to stop adding commands. I can easily imagine HOTKEY growing larger and more powerful in the future. If you'd care to share your ideas and comments, please contact me care of Portable 100 magazine or directly via CompuServe ID 71426,1201. Or just drop by Tri-Mike East--and bring a pizza! ATTENTION TANDY PORTABLE DISK DRIVE USERS! Tandy's FLOPPY is fatal to any .BA program containing machine language, including SUPERA, MENU, DVORAK, and now HOTKEY. Fortunately, you can patch FLOPPY to prevent it from moving .BA programs around in memory. I've published the patches in Portable 100 magazine. Model 100/102 users with the PDD-1 (original 100K drive) should refer to the Sep. '88 P100, p. 22; Tandy 200 users with the PDD-1 should refer to the Nov. '88 P100, p. 15. Although those articles also show PDD-2 (200K drive) patches, those were further improved and appear in the March '89 P100, p. 6. All PDD-2 users should refer to that article. ------------------------------------------------- 10 REM---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7-- -------8---------9---------012345678 20 REM---------1---------2---------3---------4---------5---------6---------7-- -------8---------9---------0---------1---------2---------3---------4------- --5---------6---------7---------8---------9---------0---------1---------212 3456 30 PRINT "HOTKEY.BA": PRINT "Copyright 1987 Tri-Mike Network East" 40 PRINT "by MJ Nugent, Jr.": PRINT "All rights reserved" 50 PRINT "Installing...." 60 '----- m/l sizes, variables ----- 70 READ S1, S2, DFLAG, DIR, YO, YT, YR 80 '----- locate HOTKEY in RAM ----- 90 PRG=PEEK(63100)+256*PEEK(63101) 100 '----- set line 10 & 20 pointers ----- 110 L10=PRG+5 120 P20=PEEK(PRG)+256*PEEK(PRG+1) 130 L20=P20+5 140 '----- install m/l in line 10 ----- 150 BASE=L10: N=S1-1: GOSUB 460 160 '----- skip junk betw. lines ----- 170 FOR I=1 TO 6: READ A: NEXT 180 '----- install m/l in line 20 ----- 190 BASE=L20: N=S2-1: GOSUB 460 200 '----- find HOTKEY dir entry ----- 210 A$="": FOR I=3 TO 10: A$=A$+CHR$(PEEK(DIR+I)): NEXT 220 IF A$<>"HOTKEYBA" OR PEEK(DIR)<>128 THEN DIR=DIR+11: GOTO 210 230 '----- store it in m/l code ----- 240 MSB=INT(DIR/256): LSB=DIR-MSB*256 250 POKE L10+DFLAG,LSB: POKE L10+DFLAG+1,MSB 260 '----- store yr for date$ fix ----- 270 YR$=STR$(YR) 280 POKE L10+YT,ASC(MID$(YR$,2,1)) 290 POKE L10+YO,ASC(RIGHT$(YR$,1)) 300 '----- setup to kill these lines ----- 310 OPEN "KILLER.DO" FOR OUTPUT AS 1 320 FOR I=30 TO 1090 STEP 10 330 PRINT#1, STR$(I) 340 NEXT 350 CLOSE 360 '----- stuff cmds into keyboard buffer ----- 370 A$="KILL"+CHR$(34)+"KILLER.DO"+CHR$(13)+"MENU"+CHR$(13) 380 FOR I=1 TO LEN(A$) 390 POKE65449+2*I,ASC(MID$(A$,I,1)) 400 POKE65450+2*I,0 410 NEXT 420 POKE 65450,I-1 430 '----- waste lines, end install ----- 440 MERGE "KILLER.DO" 450 '----- install/relocate m/l ----- 460 FOR I=0 TO N 470 PTR=BASE+I 480 READ A: IF A=>0 THEN 540 490 READ A, B: REL=A+256*B 500 FX=REL+L10 510 B=INT(FX/256): A=FX-B*256 520 IF A=0 OR B=0 OR A=13 OR B=13 THEN BEEP: PRINT "Load Error!": END 530 POKE PTR+1,B: I=I+1 540 POKE PTR,A 550 NEXT 560 RETURN 570 '----- s1, s2, dflag, dir, yo, yt, yr ----- 580 DATA 108, 226, 1, 63842, 36, 29, 88 590 '----- line 10 m/l code ----- 600 DATA 33, 255, 255, 126, 238, 8, 119, 40 610 DATA 3, 26, 238, 99, 18, 33,-1, 28 620 DATA 0, 235, 42, 222, 250, 34,-1, 14 630 DATA 0, 235, 34, 222, 250, 201, 62, 56 640 DATA 214, 48, 50, 46, 249, 62, 55, 214 650 DATA 48, 50, 45, 249, 42, 82, 246, 17 660 DATA 239, 84, 223, 202,-1, 59, 0, 17 670 DATA 6, 89, 223, 194,-1, 65, 0, 62 680 DATA 1, 50,-1, 66, 0, 201, 62, 1 690 DATA 254, 2, 250,-1, 94, 0, 202,-1 700 DATA 114, 0, 62, 1, 61, 202,-1, 94 710 DATA 0, 50,-1, 76, 0, 33, 255, 255 720 DATA 126, 35, 34,-1, 85, 0, 225, 201 730 DATA 205, 214, 18, 245, 254, 27, 194,-1 740 DATA 63, 1, 62, 2, 195,-1, 65, 1 750 '----- junk between lines ----- 760 DATA 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 770 '----- line 20 m/l code ----- 780 DATA 205, 214 790 DATA 18, 245, 205, 233, 15, 254, 27, 202 800 DATA -1, 63, 1, 33,-1, 71, 1, 34 810 DATA -1, 85, 0, 254, 84, 194,-1, 143 820 DATA 0, 205, 15, 25, 195,-1, 151, 0 830 DATA 254, 68, 194,-1, 156, 0, 205, 47 840 DATA 25, 62, 9, 195,-1, 51, 1, 254 850 DATA 87, 194,-1, 169, 0, 205, 98, 25 860 DATA 62, 4, 195,-1, 51, 1, 254, 70 870 DATA 194,-1, 193, 0, 219, 187, 230, 6 880 DATA 238, 2, 62, 12, 245, 196, 98, 118 890 DATA 241, 204, 63, 109, 195,-1, 20, 1 900 DATA 254, 86, 194,-1, 9, 1, 42, 224, 250, 229, 33, 243, 127, 34, 224, 250 910 DATA 33, 1, 254, 43, 229, 17, 70, 255, 6, 40 920 DATA 229, 213, 197, 205, 66, 37, 42, 57 930 DATA 246, 229, 33, 1, 1, 205, 124, 66 940 DATA 205, 93, 66, 225, 34, 57, 246, 205 950 DATA 112, 93, 205, 214, 18, 193, 209, 225 960 DATA 235, 205, 66, 37, 225, 205, 34, 70, 225, 34, 224, 250 970 DATA 195, -1, 20, 1, 254, 79, 194, -1 980 DATA 25, 1, 205, -1, 0, 0, 205, 98 990 DATA 118, 62, 1, 195, -1, 56, 1, 254 1000 DATA 9, 194, -1, 63, 1, 33, -1, 79 1010 DATA 1, 34, -1, 85, 0, 58, 58, 246 1020 DATA 61, 6, 5, 144, 242, -1, 42, 1 1030 DATA 128, 79, 120, 145, 60, 50, -1, 76 1040 DATA 0, 62, 3, 50, -1, 66, 0, 241 1050 DATA 175, 225, 201, 62, 1, 50, -1, 66 1060 DATA 0, 241, 225, 201, 42, 98, 117, 102 1070 DATA 102, 101, 114, 42, 32, 32, 32, 32 1080 DATA 32 1090 '----- turn HOTKEY on/off ----- 2000 CALL PEEK(63100)+256*PEEK(63101)+5: MENU ------------------------------------------------- Final note: As mentioned, Tandy's Portable Disk Drive software (FLOPPY and FLOPPY.CO) "misbehaves" somewhat, and will crash when used with programs like HOTKEY. To my knowledge, all other DOSes behave fine. I don't have the patches at hand for FLOPPY and FLOPPY.CO. I'll try to get back with those, or perhaps someone else on the list can find them and pass 'em along. -- Nuge -- Mike Nugent Tri-Mike Network East 17 Grove Street Antrim, NH 03440 Tel: (603) 588-2010 Fax: (603) 588-4203 E-mail: tmne@conknet.com WWW: http://www.tmne.com From Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com Fri Sep 11 17:54:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18227 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 17:54:52 -0000 Received: from brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (208.158.176.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 17:54:51 -0000 Received: from BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com (bi01.boca.ssc.siemens.com [135.1.82.80]) by brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19695 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525667C.00625A16 ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:54:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SIEMENS_STROMBERG-CARLSON From: Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com To: m100@list.30below.com Message-ID: <8525667C.00625769.00@BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:55:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Compu$erve thieves? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > I find it very rude of them to lock people out. Does anyone have any > LOGICAL reason that I shouldn't just "liberate" these materials? I'm not a subscriber to Compu$erve, but I've heard from subscribers that the M100 file library is not as extensive as the Club 100 library and much is duplicated in these two libraries. So if you "liberate" the Compu$erve library you may end up with very little that's not currently in the Club 100 library. I agree that it's likely that little, perhaps none, of the Compu$erve library is the property of Compu$erve. I'm not sure why you're irritated at Compu$erve. Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by Compu$erve locking people out. If I subscribe to Compu$erve, then I expect I get access to their library... don't I? As a subscriber I'm not locked out... am I? Perhaps you are irritated that you must pay a subscription fee and you expect afterwards to find nothing in the Compu$erve library that has value to you, in the sense that you can get the same thing from Club 100 without a subscription fee... is that irritating? While you cruise the Compu$erve library, Compu$erve has a bunch of "overhead" that supports and "serves" you... equipment, people, TV advertisements, rent/mortgage, telephone and utilities, etc. There's costs to all this and the costs are recovered by Compu$erve from the subscription fee. What's left over is profit. Not so long ago, Club 100 had a small subscription fee for it's library. The library is still there but the subscription fee is gone. Now Club 100 recovers overhead costs from product sales only. Club 100 is like Compu$erve in that costs are recovered -- one way or another. If you prefer paying no access fee and need only a narrow "niche" of service, then steer your business away from Compu$erve and toward Club 100. If you need an enormous range of service (even if some of it is available at Club 100), then pay the Compu$erve subscription. From tmne@pop.conknet.com Fri Sep 11 18:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18459 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 18:01:11 -0000 Received: from conknet.com (HELO harriett.conknet.com) (204.165.214.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 18:01:11 -0000 Received: from [206.32.3.181] (ip181.hlbo.conknet.com) by harriett.conknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52355U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:55:40 -0400 Subject: Tandy/NEC/Kyo/Olly <-> Macintosh Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 14:01:23 -0400 x-sender: tmne@pop.conknet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mike Nugent cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Just a quick note regarding swapping files with Macs: As with PCs, it's basically a matter of setting up one machine to capture ASCII text sent by the other machine, with both machines connected by a null modem cable. For Macs, such a cable is the original Imagewriter I (not II) cable. Once cabled together, the process is like that for PCs: Set the equivalent comms "stats" on the Model "T" and the Mac, and use a communications program on the Mac to send or capture the text. (Most Mac users have ClarisWorks, which has a communications/terminal function, but there are other programs, like the shareware Zterm and such, too). Sorry I can't go into more detai, 'cause I'm swamped here. But I mainly wanted to point out that the Imagewriter I cable and Mac terminal software are all you really need for ASCII transfers with Tandy and its clones. There are more elegant ways, with programs like MacDOS (now discontinued but worth hunting down) and MacDuet (doesn't work on some Mac models). But "cheap and simple" is available to you now. (I'm hoping one of the Mac types on the list will try it out and perhaps post the detailed steps to the list, and maybe to the Club 100 site as well.) -- Nuge -- Mike Nugent Tri-Mike Network East 17 Grove Street Antrim, NH 03440 Tel: (603) 588-2010 Fax: (603) 588-4203 E-mail: tmne@conknet.com WWW: http://www.tmne.com From tmne@pop.conknet.com Fri Sep 11 18:21:45 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18853 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 18:21:44 -0000 Received: from conknet.com (HELO harriett.conknet.com) (204.165.214.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 18:21:44 -0000 Received: from [206.32.3.181] (ip181.hlbo.conknet.com) by harriett.conknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52355U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:16:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Reading TPPD2 disks on a PC Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 14:21:55 -0400 x-sender: tmne@pop.conknet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mike Nugent To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Courtesy of our friend John Stewart on his page at : >Also, thanks to a talented Canadian programmer, Brian Woodcox, it is >possible to plug >the companion Tandy Portable Disk Drive 2 into a PC serial port and save >and load >files. This free DOS program (PDD2.EXE) was actually designed for users of >the Atari >Portfolio palmtop, allowing cheap external storage. But it works >splendidly for moving >files from the 100/102 to the PC! Search Atari websites or FTP areas to >find this file. -- Nuge -- Mike Nugent Tri-Mike Network East 17 Grove Street Antrim, NH 03440 Tel: (603) 588-2010 Fax: (603) 588-4203 E-mail: tmne@conknet.com WWW: http://www.tmne.com From tmne@pop.conknet.com Fri Sep 11 18:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19170 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 18:33:30 -0000 Received: from conknet.com (HELO harriett.conknet.com) (204.165.214.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 18:33:30 -0000 Received: from [206.32.3.181] (ip181.hlbo.conknet.com) by harriett.conknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52355U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:27:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Model 100 Streaks Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 14:33:42 -0400 x-sender: tmne@pop.conknet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mike Nugent To: "m100" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Okay, I'm game. We'll start with you typical assortment of dust, dirt and >battery corrosion, just to get that out of the way. Then there's the >various insect nests with "live" insects; such as spiders, beatles and >worms. "beatles"? So Paul really *isn't* dead?! From tmne@pop.conknet.com Fri Sep 11 19:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20044 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 19:24:43 -0000 Received: from conknet.com (HELO harriett.conknet.com) (204.165.214.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 19:24:43 -0000 Received: from [206.32.3.181] (ip181.hlbo.conknet.com) by harriett.conknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52355U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:19:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Compu$erve thieves? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 15:24:55 -0400 x-sender: tmne@pop.conknet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mike Nugent To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > I find it very rude of them to lock people out. Does anyone have any >LOGICAL reason that I shouldn't just "liberate" these materials? Yeah, I've got what I think is a logical reason: I paid money (lots of it, for a long time) to be part of that community back then. We all shared, and we all contributed to the best of our respective abilities. So essentially, we earned our keep. How 'bout you? Got anything to offer? -- Nuge -- Mike Nugent Tri-Mike Network East 17 Grove Street Antrim, NH 03440 Tel: (603) 588-2010 Fax: (603) 588-4203 E-mail: tmne@conknet.com WWW: http://www.tmne.com From m5012@gorilla.net Sat Sep 12 00:13:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22824 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 00:13:43 -0000 Received: from gorillanet.gorilla.net (208.128.8.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 00:13:43 -0000 Received: from [208.143.84.19] by gorillanet.gorilla.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/18.aaac) with ESMTP id wa425460 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:13:00 -0500 From: "matt & corey" To: Subject: All right already! (NO to C$) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:16:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <00130026911379@gorilla.net> All right, all right. I've gotten so many flames (in the list and to me personally) that I would like to officially state that I will not make the C$ model 100 library publicly available. I alone will enjoy its fruits. It seems I am a rotten human being for even SUGGESTING that 15 year old files should be public. You people will learn soon enough - the world is moving on from giant monopolies like C$ and M$ toward REAL freedom of information. Up LiNUX! Up Mozilla! At any rate, I thank those of you (especially Rick) who have been helpful and informative in my few queries to this list. I am still going to subscribe to it, and make the programs I am putting together for the M100 available (hopefully via Rick's excellent resource). From tmne@pop.conknet.com Sat Sep 12 07:08:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26064 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 07:08:34 -0000 Received: from conknet.com (HELO harriett.conknet.com) (204.165.214.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 07:08:34 -0000 Received: from [206.32.3.240] by harriett.conknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52355U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:02:58 -0400 Subject: Re: All right already! (NO to C$) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 98 03:08:45 -0400 x-sender: tmne@pop.conknet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mike Nugent To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >It seems I am a rotten human being for even SUGGESTING that 15 year old >files should be public. I was logging on to apologize for the rude tone of my last post, when I saw your latest message. I was in a hurry and fired off a response too quickly. I do apologize, and I certainly wouldn't consider you "a rotten human being" for wanting to make valuable info more public. I have no problem with posting CompuServe files elsewhere -- with permission. That's my primary concern. CompuServe holds only a "compilation" copyright. Individual authors own all rights to their own work, including the right to control its distribution. Taking someone's work without permission is (1) discourteous and (2) illegal. I long ago gave permission to repost any of my published work for non-commercial purposes, and I'm sure most other authors, if not all, would gladly consent. But one must at least make an *effort* to get permission. Ask for my stuff, I say "sure." But take it without asking, and I say, "copyright infringement" (i.e., lawsuit). Even works not registered with the Copyright Office are protected by copyright the moment they're created. Should infringement occur, an author can sue to recover actual monetary damages. With the Tandy programs and such, not much real monetary damage would occur, and the infringer's risk is probably limited to legal fees for defending one (or however many) lawsuits. (Most likely, the complainant or his lawyer would first write a letter saying, essentially, "Stop that, now!" You'd stop, and the matter would just go away.) With registered works (as are many of mine) the stakes are higher. An author can recover "statutory damages" as well. Basically, that's a monetary penalty added to actual damages. Even for "lowly" Tandy programs, that ups the ante considerably. Anyhow, I'm gettin' long-winded. I'd say get all the programs you want, and try to contact the authors for permission. For those you can't reach, you can probably post the work anyway; just keep a record of trying to contact them. Should they magically appear later and protest, you can simply remove the material, probably without further consequence. (And if they get really huffy, you can at least show that you attempted to obtain permission.) >You people will learn soon enough - the world is >moving on from giant monopolies like C$ and M$ toward REAL freedom of >information. But until the laws change, just be sure to CYA. ;^) (Again, sorry for coming on so strong the first time.) -- Nuge -- Mike Nugent Tri-Mike Network East 17 Grove Street Antrim, NH 03440 Tel: (603) 588-2010 Fax: (603) 588-4203 E-mail: tmne@conknet.com WWW: http://www.tmne.com From tmne@pop.conknet.com Sat Sep 12 08:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26461 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 08:35:36 -0000 Received: from conknet.com (HELO harriett.conknet.com) (204.165.214.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 08:35:36 -0000 Received: from [206.32.3.204] (ip204.hlbo.conknet.com) by harriett.conknet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52355U8000L800S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:30:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Y2K Loader. Date: Sat, 12 Sep 98 04:35:47 -0400 x-sender: tmne@pop.conknet.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mike Nugent To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" As I mentioned in an earlier post, .BA programs with embedded machine language don't get along with Tandy's FLOPPY and FLOPPY.CO software. Here are the patches I've found in my archives. (Note: Please backup your files, just in case these patches were published with errors. I'll try to check the magazine later, in case there were subsequent corrections.) Also, I think I later came up with a patch to make the PDD-2 DOS (FLOPPY) into a regular .CO file, doing away with some of it's "weirdness." More on that if/when I find it. -- Nuge -- ================================= ------------------------------------------ Attention Tandy Portable Disk Drive Users! ------------------------------------------ Tandy's FLOPPY.CO is fatal to any .BA program containing machine language, including SUPERA, MENU, DVORAK, and now HOTKEY. Fortunately, you can patch FLOPPY.CO to prevent it from moving .BA programs around in memory: PDD-1 (100K disk drive) users, type: ------------------------------------ CLEAR 256,59400 (Enter) LOADM "FLOPPY.CO" (Enter) POKE 61571,154 (Enter) POKE 61572,249 (Enter) POKE 61573,0 (Enter) SAVEM "NEWDOS.CO",59400,62959,59400 (Enter) Note: The patched FLOPPY.CO is renamed NEWDOS.CO to indicate its patched status. Save NEWDOS to tape or disk, and from now on, always use NEWDOS instead of FLOPPY.CO. To save it to tape, type: CSAVEM "NEWDOS",59400,62959,59400 (Enter) With NEWDOS on tape, you needn't ever re-IPL using Tandy's IPL.BA program. Just load NEWDOS from tape: CLEAR 256,59400 (Enter) CLOADM "NEWDOS" (Enter) SAVEM "NEWDOS",59400,62959,59400 (Enter) If you have NEWDOS on disk and ever need to re-IPL using IPL.BA, then immediately after doing so, load NEWDOS from disk and kill FLOPPY.CO. PDD-2 (200K disk drive) users, type: ------------------------------------ POKE 62116,154 (Enter) POKE 62117,249 (Enter) POKE 62118,0 (Enter) POKE 60001,91 (Enter) Due to the design of FLOPPY for the PDD-2, these changes can't be saved to tape or disk. Make them each time you install FLOPPY from disk. From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Sat Sep 12 11:08:44 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26992 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 11:08:43 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (xi1kQpcrbmXu3TzJELYeltMtzU3aZP7U@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 11:08:43 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #1) id ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:20:46 PST To: m5012@gorilla.net (matt & corey) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Compu$erve thieves? From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980911.232046.1C1.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:20:46 PST In-Reply-To: <00083986803098@gorilla.net> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, m5012@gorilla.net writes: > Does Compu$erve OWN its content, like its (supposedly) extensive M100 > files? Apparently, these were UPLOADED to C$ by MEMBERS - in other words, > NO they do NOT own it. > > I am looking for someone who already uses C$ to "liberate" their file > library, except what they might ACTUALLY own. > If no one does this, I will join C$ long enough to leech the ENTIRE > content of the M100 section, including whatever C$ might own, and make it > publicly available via several freepage providers. And CIS will sue you *successfully*. You see, what they have is a "compilation copyright". They do not "own" the *individual* files. But they *do* own the *collection*. It's the same sort of copyright that applies to Anthologies. If you "publish" a collection of files that's obviously derived from theirs, they've got you dead to rights. And it'll cost you plenty by the time the lawyers are thru with you. > I find it very rude of them to lock people out. Does anyone have any > LOGICAL reason that I shouldn't just "liberate" these materials? Because they went to the effort of "collecting" and "editing" the collection. That gives them legal rights, which they *have* enforced in the past (against BBS sysops who tried exactly the sort of thing you are talking about). If you want to do something useful, track down the *authors* of the files. If you get *their* permission for posting *their* files, then CIS can't touch you. I was 70465,203 and I gave my permission long ago. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From thedock@value.net Sat Sep 12 15:28:08 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 28703 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id IAA29669 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: All right already! (NO to C$) In-Reply-To: <00130026911379@gorilla.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, matt & corey wrote: > All right, all right. I've gotten so many flames (in the list and to me > personally) that I would like to officially state that I will not make > the C$ model 100 library publicly available. I alone will enjoy its > fruits. It seems I am a rotten human being for even SUGGESTING that 15 > year old files should be public. You people will learn soon enough - the > world is moving on from giant monopolies like C$ and M$ toward REAL > freedom of information. Up LiNUX! Up Mozilla! You are ok in my book, my friend. The "flames" were mere flickers from meaningful friends who offer guidance to a fellow Model "T" user. I do believe that "everyone" would like nothing better than to have free access to all the wonderful offerings of programs and help files developped freely by fellow "T"ers, yet this gray area casts a restrictive haze of uncertanty over the subject. Bottom line: Over time, we will, together, bring all the programming and information online and absolutely no one from Compuserve (an excellent company who has served the online world very, very well for over 20 years) will raise a finger in protest. Fifteen years since the introduction of the Model 100 computer, in a world where 6-month old computers are considered obsolete, no one, other than us enthusiasts ... care. You have the right attitude, the energy and the enthusiasm. We (all of us fellow Model "T"ers) are in symphony to help each other. Simply adjust off the $-thing and concerns and move forward with confidance. There is alot of "correctness" in your beliefs. You are ok, my friend. > At any rate, I thank those of you (especially Rick) who have been > helpful and informative in my few queries to this list. I am still going > to subscribe to it, and make the programs I am putting together for the > M100 available (hopefully via Rick's excellent resource). Thank you. I apprecaite the kind words but let me present the fact that this [Club 100] is "your resource" of you, by you, for you. I am merely the janitor. The "true resource" is vested not in the programming and help files or anything static, but in the constant sharing and good will of those who participate. -Rick @ Club 100- From thedock@value.net Sun Sep 13 21:27:14 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7695 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1998 21:27:13 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1998 21:27:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id OAA04710 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Club 100 Announcement Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 13-Sep-98 Press Release Club 100 Announces New Prices by Richard Hanson Due to recent renewed interest in Model "T" computing, and in response to various dynamics of this new market trend, I have made pricing adjustments to the Club 100 catalog items. The retail price of all Club 100 catalog (mail order) items have been reevaluated; most reduced 40% to 60%. Both old and new prices are reflected throughout the online catalog. This is a "major" change since the establishment of the current pricing in 1990. Through the years I've offered some sales and incentives but the current changes are perminate. In fact, the order processing computer in the Club 100 lab has also been changed -- new pricing is "automatic" starting today. To kick off the new pricing, and to encourage the use of "the hot setup" as advertised in our catalog (DeskLink, CompLink Cable, and TS-DOS on ROM) the new pricing for these items are as follows: - DeskLink - still free in the DL-ARC.EXE file online - CompLink Cables - were $17.50, now priced at $12.50 - TS-DOS on ROM - was $49.95, now $27.00 All price changes have been uploaded into the new online catalog at the Club 100 web site. In addition, other changes are in the works regarding the continued sales or public domaining of various products. These decisions will be finalized before the end of the month. Due to the new pricing, buyers of items at the old price from August 1st "UPON WRITTEN REQUEST" will be given a immediate rebate of any price difference. The new pricing will definately effect the minimal profit of Club 100 yet I feel that the time is right. I will make other adjustments to accomidate the income reduction and break-even annual financial targets ... yet Club 100 will continue as planned. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html From InfoBBS@aol.com Sun Sep 13 21:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7894 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1998 21:31:39 -0000 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.2) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1998 21:31:39 -0000 Received: from InfoBBS@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id TARFa14123 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: InfoBBS@aol.com Message-ID: <37268a1e.35fc39ae@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:31:26 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Questions about model 100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Claris Emailer v2.0 I sent a email to the list sometime ago and then got removed the list for some reason,so I will ask my questions agin. 1.) I have a model 100 and I aso "had" a TRP-100 printer on which it has bied I'm ""need"" of pocket printer on which I can use in college to print out notes. I'm looking for a 30 or 40 column.If you know of any please email me,and if you have on for sale please email right away. 2.) I'm also in need of a PDD2 with the software and cables and other stuff that came with it. Is the PDD2 alot better then the PDD1? If you have a PPD2 for sale please email right away. Thnaks for all you help From cameron@stl.dec.com Tue Sep 15 05:00:00 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23132 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1998 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1998 05:00:00 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id AAA16819 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA27784 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:59:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA31281; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:59:40 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <35FDF43C.A3648720@stl.dec.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:59:40 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Re: I2C on M100? References: <199809102351.RAA02995@the.link.ca> <35F93D67.DAB9230A@c2-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've done I2C (eye squared sea) on my Tandy 102's, but I used fig-FORTH as the driving code. I can go find this code if anybody has a particular need for it. I removed it from my main home control system a couple of years ago, but enjoyed it while it lasted. I used a TDA prefixed chip to control sound system levels, source selection, balance, and bass and treble EQ. Yes, extra external hardware is required, because none of the outputs are suitable as they stand. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From benevia@wwa.com Thu Sep 17 20:19:41 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22026 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1998 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from hirame.wwa.com (198.49.174.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from WWA.wwa.com(really [207.241.62.115]) by hirame.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:19:03 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #91 built 1997-Dec-8) From: "Matthew S. Whitlock" To: "Club100" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: <01bde288$950c8fe0$733ef1cf@WWA.wwa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 From jew@rtd.com Thu Sep 17 20:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 22534 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1998 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from fwns2d.raleigh.ibm.com (HELO fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com) (204.146.167.236) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 20:55:05 -0000 Received: from rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.47]) by fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/RTP-FW-1.2) with ESMTP id QAA19222 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:33 -0400 Received: from mc01.boeblingen.de.ibm.com (mc01.boeblingen.de.ibm.com [9.164.177.244]) by rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id QAA33586 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:33 -0400 Received: from goalie.tucson.ibm.com by mc01.boeblingen.de.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA25724; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:54:29 +0200 Sender: jeward@mc01.boeblingen.de.ibm.com Message-Id: <782845.4095D203@rtd.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1970 20:23:49 -0700 From: "James E. Ward" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Club100 Subject: Using the Model T as a PIM References: <01bde288$950c8fe0$733ef1cf@WWA.wwa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently purchased an IBM PC110 palmtop. For those of you who don't know, this was a Japanese market only IBM product that was discontinued a year ago. You can learn more about it at: the-gadgeteer.com Recently, I took a weekend trip to another state and forgot my AC adapter. My battery went flat and I was forced to go analog! This is not a suitable situation. I've been using HP LX machines for years, but my 100LX broke a hinge recently and HP wants more to repair the hinge than I paid for the machine, so I am reluctant to do that. And if you've ever tried to enter any significant amount of text on an HP LX, you know the meaning of the word "cramp". I have a Model 100 and a Model 102 that just keep on ticking no matter what I do (or don't do) to them. I recently upgraded my 102 to 32K and I bought it used with the UR-2 ROM installed. I've become quite adept at the Idea! program on the UR-2. I find that it is so flexible that it can meet nearly ALL my needs. One thing that would be nice would be a wake up on alarm and beep function, but I can find a watch to do that better. I'm carrying my 102 everywhere these days, using it for all my PIM needs. I also use it to author HTML. You just can't beat that keyboard in my experience for rapid text entry. I even use the internal 300 BAUD modem to upload my HTML. Once on my ISP server, I use Netscape Composer 4.6 on an AIX platform to spell check it and visually check the format. I guess the biggest problem I have with a 32K storage machine is running out of RAM. I discovered that if you get down around 2K free, Idea! bombs. I would like to ask you guys for ideas about increasing my RAM capacity without giving up my UR-2. Ideally, I would like to enter my entire phone, address, and email address list into this thing so I'll always have that information handy. Now I must limit it to make room for the HTML. I've read a lot about the options in the Whole Enchilada, but would appreciate some real world opinions and experience. Thanks in advance, James P.S. Oh, and what text encryption option from the library have people had the best success with? I like the looks of the tiny machine language version, but I've been burned by ML programs enough times in the past to make me leery of them... From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Thu Sep 17 21:59:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 23232 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1998 21:59:49 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1998 21:59:49 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa01209; 17 Sep 98 17:58 EDT Message-ID: <36018668.49CC8951@c2-tech.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:00:08 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Club100 Subject: Re: Using the Model T as a PIM References: <01bde288$950c8fe0$733ef1cf@WWA.wwa.com> <782845.4095D203@rtd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James E. Ward wrote: Ideally, I would like to enter my entire phone, address, and email address list into this thing so I'll always have that information handy. There has _got_ to be an information compression technique to conserve RAM on ASCII text...maybe Lempel-Ziv, or Huffmann coding...hsm...I have the source for a Lempel-Ziv compressor in C, maybe I'll translate it into M100 BASIC. I'd _love_ to have my whole address book on my "T"... >I also use it to author HTML. You just can't beat that keyboard > in my experience for rapid text entry. > I even use the internal 300 BAUD modem to upload my HTML. Great, isn't it, James! I use my modelT to author HTML, too. At my work we have a filter on our Linux server to convert specially-formatted ASCII text to HTML. This is _really_ nice, and it actually makes authoring HTML bearable on the M100. In fact, since I have a TERMCAP on our Linux server for the M100 (thanks to m100list!), I can enter the specially-formatted text using the Unix editor 'vi', send it though the filter, and it's ready to be viewed in Netscape! Much of my rocket-radar project stuff (http://darts.c2-tech.com) was done similarly. My wife thinks I'm _nuts_ sitting there on the couch, with the M100 on my lap, connected to the phone line! Hey, at least I'm not hiding in the computer room... Just thought I'd chime in and agree that the "old tyme" M100 is suited to very modern tasks. Steve Bragg From leemar@alaska.net Fri Sep 18 21:19:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 811 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1998 21:19:54 -0000 Received: from wellspring-rr.alaska.net (HELO alaska.net) (209.112.130.11) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1998 21:19:54 -0000 Received: from alaska.net (jdc-p51-31.alaska.net [209.112.137.31]) by alaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12985 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:19:21 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <3602CF06.4E6F5E6B@alaska.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:22:38 -0800 From: Lee H & Marion D Organization: Alaska Book Hunters X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From thedock@value.net Sat Sep 19 14:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 7605 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1998 14:37:15 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1998 14:37:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA07025; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 07:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: thedock@value.net Reply-To: thedock@value.net To: David Leck cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Model 100 questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, David Leck wrote: > Greetings, And a hidey-ho to you, good neighbor. > I picked up a Model 100 yesterday for $10. It included the original > cassette deck and the telephone cable. I replaced the four AA batteries > in it, but cannot get it to power up. What else should I look for? > (Obviously, I've never toyed with a 100 before amd do not know what to > look for.) Congratulations... maybe. If it has been sitting for a long time, the internal nicad on the motherboard (the true power for the unit) may be totally drained. If so, it may take a little while to charge back up. In any case, there is a switch on the underside that reads "Memory Power." That switch should be in the ON position. > There is a little access panel on the underside that reveals two sockets > of some sort. Both of them are empty. Should there be some sort of > ram/rom card in them? What are they? Do not assume that just because you see a socket that something should be in that port. And indeed, there is usually nothing in either of the two ports in that compartment under the keyboard. The square, tub-like socket with the connections on either side is your option ROM socket. This is where you would plug in items such as the TS-DOS ROM, or an Ultimate ROM II, Cleuseau/ROM2 ROM, Sardine ROM, CardFile ROM, or and extRAM or XR4 (see catalog for details). The socket with the holes is your system bus and typically nothing plugs in there. However, there were items that did plug in there, and indeed, you might even find some in the field, such as the DVI (Disk Video Interface), or perhas an old RAM expansion unit by American Cryptronics or PG Designs. The system bus is sometimes used by individuals and companies to control machinery or experiments. > Sorry to pester you about this, but I've wanted one of these ever since > 1983. Thanks, David Leck Pester? No way, Jose. This is why I live! Anyway... now you have one... maybe... if you can get it working. If not, don't despair. The phone/modem cable alone is worth ten bucks. If the cassette recorder is a CCR-82, that's worth another ten bucks, and a dead Model 100 is worth ten bucks to me plus shipping. So, you're okay. Let me know if the switch on the bottom was off or on. Make sure you put the batteries in correctly - springs to negative pole. Try holding down on the CTRL and BREAK keys and turning it on. If nothing works, don't fret. Set it asside and go get another. Remember, Model 100 computers are all over the place -- right in your own back yard. Check estate sales, police impound, pawn shops, newspapers, any and all used computer sources, HAM swap meets, your local high school and college (talk with the computer teachers), local attornies and doctors, etc. Trust me, they are there in closets, on shelves, in desk drawers, in boxes, etc. The owners have long since written them off. Offer a lowball figure and get eveything -- take cash! Money talks, bullstuff walks. Good luck... -Rick @ Club 100- From mu330@email.msn.com Sat Sep 19 22:17:33 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10456 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1998 22:17:32 -0000 Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.68.143.159) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1998 22:17:32 -0000 Received: from default - 208.250.78.30 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:16:55 -0700 From: "MU330" To: "Club100" Subject: Unix??? Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:11:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Return-Path: mu330@email.msn.com Message-ID: <08ab75516221398UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Is there a program like Unix for the model 100/ 102? I hear that it's possible to get Xenix to run. Is it true? Matt From Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com Sun Sep 20 03:24:26 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 13038 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1998 03:24:25 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1998 03:24:25 -0000 Received: from snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com (snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com [16.172.128.251]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id XAA23956 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by snopf1.dhcp.sno.dec.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:23:46 +1000 Message-ID: From: Harry Woodward-Clarke To: Club100 Cc: "'MU330'" Subject: RE: Unix??? Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:23:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain G'day Matt, re: M100 & Unix - the short answer is "no". That is, if by this you mean "will a version of the Unix Operating System (possibly Xenix) run on a TRS-80 Model 100/102?" Tandy did release a number of machines around the same time-frame as the M100 that ran Xenix (now owned, I believe, by SCO), but these were all "server-type" systems, with processors that were the 80186 & 80286 'big-brother(s)' of the M100's 8085. I never had the "pleasure" of working on one of these beasts, but from all reports it was "interesting". ;') If, however, you mean "Can the M100 run programs that are like the Unix commands? (e.g. 'ls', and 'chmod' and 'more' and many others.)", well, I guess it might be possible - with an appropriate C cross-compiler. But with between 8K and 32K of RAM on the M100's, there really isn't a lot of need for a 'full-blown' Operating System, unless you go mad and put a floppy disk (TPDD - Tandy Portable Disk Drive) or even the DVI (Device/Video Interface) unit on the M100. And even then, the requirements are minimal. The third variant of the question could be "Can I get my M100 to talk to a Unix System?" Then the answer is a resounding "yes!". There are a couple of ways this can happen, but I'll leave that for another message, just when we determine which variant of the question you were asking :') hope this all helps, Harry > ---------- > From: MU330[SMTP:mu330@email.msn.com] > Sent: Sunday, 20 September 1998 8:11 > To: Club100 > Subject: Unix??? > > Is there a program like Unix for the model 100/ 102? I hear that it's > possible to get Xenix to run. Is it true? > > Matt > > > From a2k@one.net Sun Sep 20 17:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17600 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1998 17:04:54 -0000 Received: from shell.one.net (a2k@206.112.192.106) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1998 17:04:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (a2k@localhost) by shell.one.net (8.8.7/AD2000) with ESMTP id NAA00423; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:04:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: shell.one.net: a2k owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Stewart To: Harry Woodward-Clarke cc: Club100 , "'MU330'" Subject: RE: Unix??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote: > re: Can the m100 run UNIX - the short answer is "no". Well, I guess I'd say no, but that's not entirely true (I don't think). Xenix *will* run on the 8088... similar to the 80C85 of the m100. I think that it would be possible (if you felt REALLY motivated) to get ahold on the Xenix source TOTALLY re-write the kernel, and get it smaller than anyone thought possible... and rewrite the filesystem... and add a lot more ram... and change all the system calls... and change the way text is displayed (to support 40x8)... and take out a whole buncha stuff that wouldn't be needed (networking etc)... and add more RAM... and add more RAM... and add more RAM... and and more RAM... and add more ROM... and so on... It would probably work. Not something I'd particulary like to do (on my list, it would probably be right after "Run my knuckles down a cheese grater for three weeks") but if I was motivated, it could probably be done.... *BUT* If you wanted to create a front-end that *looked* like a UNIX, that would be entirely possible and could be easily done in a few hours or a weekend... you could even do it in BASIC easily... shoot now that I've thought of this I'll have to do it.... :) Kevin From bobs@netdoor.com Sun Sep 20 17:14:25 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17827 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1998 17:14:24 -0000 Received: from netdoor.com (root@208.137.128.6) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1998 17:14:24 -0000 Received: from default (port236.hat.netdoor.com [208.137.155.236]) by netdoor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08428 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:12:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980920121220.00a43cc8@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: bobs@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:12:20 +0000 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Rob Sayers Subject: RE: Unix??? >If you wanted to create a front-end that *looked* like a UNIX, that would >be entirely possible and could be easily done in a few hours or a >weekend... you could even do it in BASIC easily... shoot now that I've >thought of this I'll have to do it.... :) just to let people know I've been working on somthing like this, i already have the basic interface done, i have the more command basicly working, and I plan on adding "networking" which would basicly be a front end for a unix shell account, i started it out of sheer bordom one day and its starting to look pretty cool ~ Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage! -Smashing Pumpkins From thedock@value.net Mon Sep 21 14:19:06 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 26734 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1998 14:19:05 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1998 14:19:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id HAA01172; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: To: DavHaider@aol.com cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <645694fe.3605ec0c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 DavHaider@aol.com wrote: > I liked your site, but the information i'm looking for wasnt > there. I'm into hobby electronics and i need the pin outsfor the ports > on the mc-100, normaly i would have found it in the radio shack manual > but, the mc-100 i got didnt come with any documentation, could you help > me??? dave Dave: I've CCed a copy of your message and my reply to the gang on the Club 100 Listserv -- I suggest you join -- see Listserv feature at site. Assuming when you say mc-100 (a term I have never heard of in over 15 years dealing with the Radio Shack/Tandy Model 100, 102 and 200) you mean Model 100, manuals are available, so I am told, from Radio Shack. I just now called RS and discoverd that they currently have 20 Model 100 manuals in stock at $13.99 each. Here's the info: Tandy consumer Mail 800 433 2024 ...for ribbons, etc. Tandy National Parts Center 800 442 2425 Model 100 Manual 26-3801 $13.99 At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html Note: Club 100 reduced catalog prices on 13-Sep-98. Please download the new catalog at our web site before ordering, and thank you for your support. From neilsm@usa.net Tue Sep 22 01:43:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32652 invoked from network); 22 Sep 1998 01:43:47 -0000 Received: from sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (root@206.12.82.130) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 1998 01:43:47 -0000 Received: from PC_name.company.com (light33.lightspeed.bc.ca [206.12.82.33]) by sword.lightspeed.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11008 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <08ab75516221398UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> References: Conversation <08ab75516221398UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> with last message <08ab75516221398UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Priority: Normal To: M100 List MIME-Version: 1.0 From: N Subject: Re: Unix??? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 18:41:15 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there a program like Unix for the model 100/ 102? I hear that it's > possible to get Xenix to run. Is it true? No. Xenix would run on a 128K T6000 with a 68000 processor, and on an IBMXT with 256K of ram, but she ain't gonna fly in 32K on an 8-bitter. However, I have often used a T100 as a terminal to a Unix system. I even used a PC2 one time as a one line terminal (just for fun)! Neil. From bmarcum@iglou.com Tue Sep 22 17:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6598 invoked from network); 22 Sep 1998 17:17:22 -0000 Received: from iglou1.iglou.com (HELO iglou.com) (sendmail@192.107.41.3) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 1998 17:17:22 -0000 Received: from [204.255.239.93] (helo=204.255.239.93) by iglou.com with smtp (8.9.1/8.9.1) id 0zLW32-0005AW-00; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:16:23 -0400 To: m100@list.30below.com From: bmarcum@iglou.com X-EveryThing: Net-Tamer 1.08 Unregistered Subject: Re: Unix??? Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:16:23 -0400 On 1998-09-21 08ab75516221398UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com said to bmarcum@iglou.com >> Is there a program like Unix for the model 100/ 102? I hear >>that it's possible to get Xenix to run. Is it true? >No. Xenix would run on a 128K T6000 with a 68000 processor, and on >an IBMXT with 256K of ram, but she ain't gonna fly in 32K on The closest thing that I know of is Uzi, and that was written for a Z80 with at least 64k of ram. If I'm not mistaken it can be found in the cp/m archives at oak.oakland.edu. Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Wed Sep 23 15:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 17572 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 15:45:18 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 15:45:18 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa21221; 23 Sep 98 11:36 EDT Message-ID: <36091608.974A6D44@c2-tech.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:38:48 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Model 100 List Subject: M100 as a Unix Terminal? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit T-heads, There's been some discussion in the list about Unix on the Model 100. I'd like a show of hands of who uses the Model 100, as I do, as a dialup Unix terminal. Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other. I use my Model"T" for E-mail, chat, Web authoring, and Unix programming, all from my Unix shell account. I have set up single-character aliases for common E-mail operations, like show, next, prev, rmm (I use the MH mail system). Also, I've gotten our system admin to install the M100 TERMCAP, which makes most Linux screen-oriented stuff at least possible to do via the Model 100. I find 300 baud to be entirely adequate for editing short files, chat, and E-mail. For longer files, though, it's more responsive to have the file local to the M100 -- subject to memory limitations. But, I can *edit* a 100K file with vi and the M100 as a *terminal* . Dialup operation is smooth and easy, thanks to the login script capability of TELCOM. Because of the way my ISP works, I have to do a dual login, and the Model 100 has no problems with that. One thing I'm looking into is using virtual terminals (the Linux "screen" command) to do things like editing and compiling. This should make this kind of thing smoother--I don't ever have to exit the editor, for example. I know this isn't a Unix/Linux forum, but there has got to be some others out there who use their Model100 in this way. Speaking my mind @ 300 baud, Steve Bragg From jew@tao.ca Wed Sep 23 17:27:51 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 18671 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 17:27:50 -0000 Received: from igw3.watson.ibm.com (198.81.209.18) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 17:27:50 -0000 Received: from mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (mailhub1.watson.ibm.com [9.2.249.31]) by igw3.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/07-11-97) with ESMTP id NAA07158 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:26:56 -0400 Received: from tao.ca (goalie.tucson.ibm.com [9.115.26.155]) by mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/Feb-20-98) with ESMTP id NAA14574 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:26:56 -0400 Sender: jeward@watson.ibm.com Message-ID: <7FE098.71887AFD@tao.ca> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1970 16:56:08 -0700 From: "James E. Ward" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Model 100 List Subject: Re: M100 as a Unix Terminal? References: <36091608.974A6D44@c2-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Bragg wrote: > > There's been some discussion in the list about Unix on the Model 100. > I'd like a show of hands of who uses the Model 100, as I do, as a dialup > Unix terminal. Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other. I do. > I use my Model"T" for E-mail, chat, Web authoring, and Unix programming, > all from my Unix shell account. I have set up single-character aliases > for common E-mail operations, like show, next, prev, rmm (I use the MH > mail system). I do all of the above. I use the mutt mail client though. > Also, I've gotten our system admin to install the M100 TERMCAP, which > makes most Linux screen-oriented stuff at least possible to do via the > Model 100. I have root provs on my ISP and I installed the termcap too, but I think FreeBSD comes with one already for the Model 100. > I find 300 baud to be entirely adequate for editing short files, chat, > and E-mail. For longer files, though, it's more responsive to have the > file local to the M100 -- subject to memory limitations. But, I can > *edit* a 100K file with vi and the M100 as a *terminal* . I generally have about 15K free on any given day on my 102. I usually generate about 5K of HTML and then upload it. Some days though I do fill the RAM. That's a problem. I can edit a 100M file using emacs... ;-) > Dialup operation is smooth and easy, thanks to the login script > capability of TELCOM. Because of the way my ISP works, I have to do a > dual login, and the Model 100 has no problems with that. I log in manually. :-) > One thing I'm looking into is using virtual terminals (the Linux > "screen" command) to do things like editing and compiling. This should > make this kind of thing smoother--I don't ever have to exit the editor, > for example. I have been a religious screen user for many years. It's the best thing since sliced bread. You can disconnect a session and resume it later, screen cut and paste between virtual terminals, etc. > I know this isn't a Unix/Linux forum, but there has got to be some > others out there who use their Model100 in this way. Is there any other way? :-) Unix is over 20 years old and was designed to handle more primitive devices than these radical first laptops we have... And it handles them very well, I think! > Speaking my mind @ 300 baud, > > Steve Bragg Well, I composed this using Netscape 4.6 on a 200mhz machine directly connected to the internet, but you won't hold that against me will you? -- Ward... James Ward jew@tao.ca Forging my sanity tao.ca/~jew through polyamory From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Wed Sep 23 17:58:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 19176 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 17:58:48 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 17:58:48 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa22917; 23 Sep 98 13:48 EDT Message-ID: <36093502.8C7A29C5@c2-tech.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:50:58 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Model 100 List Subject: Re: M100 as a Unix Terminal? References: <36091608.974A6D44@c2-tech.com> <7FE098.71887AFD@tao.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James E. Ward wrote: > I have been a religious screen user for many years. It's the best > thing since sliced bread. You can disconnect a session and resume it >later, screen cut and paste between virtual terminals, etc. This is just _great_ for the screen-size-limited Model 100. I'm gonna read up on it. >Unix is over 20 years old and was designed > to handle more primitive devices than these radical first laptops we > have... And it handles them very well, I think! Yep. Strange, though, that my interest in a goofy little 1983-vintage laptop would cause me to bone up on my Unix and use commands I never thought I would... Steve Bragg From jlyons@cam.org Wed Sep 23 20:08:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20423 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 20:08:20 -0000 Received: from altitude.cam.org (198.168.100.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 20:08:20 -0000 Received: from cam.hip.cam.org (Dialup-320.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.44.68]) by Altitude.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA11928 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980923160657.00861cd0@pop.hip.cam.org> X-Sender: jlyons@pop.hip.cam.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:06:57 -0400 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Jim Lyons Subject: m100 as a Unix terminal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, I for one welcome this thread. Last winter when we lost power for several days during the big ice storm I used my m100 to get my mail on my shell account using the Pine mailer. Seems to me the formating was a bit weird and scrolling commands funky so I'll have to investigate the termcap for the m100 and see if my ISP is prepared to accomodate me before we have another big storm. Another thing to add to my list of to-do's :) Jim Lyons From thedock@value.net Wed Sep 23 20:20:01 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 20650 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 20:20:01 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 20:20:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id NAA16426; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Anthony Hayes cc: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Loading up 200 In-Reply-To: <3608D005.A4198C9B@ameritech.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Anthony Hayes wrote: > Hello, I have a stock Model 200 that I'd like to use as a portable > terminal (I have access to an ISP that uses a UNIX shell w/ANSI logins), > and was wondering what memory options to choose to max out the memory > without ordering "redundant" items. > > Thanks for any help you can provide, Anthony Hayes hayesa@ameritech.net Anthony: I'm CCing your message over to the gang on the Club 100 listserv. They are discussing this subject right now and perhaps they will help fill in the details for you. At your service... -Rick- Richard Hanson, Proprietor thedock@value.net Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983) P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438 925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246 http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html Note: Club 100 reduced catalog prices on 13-Sep-98. Please download the new catalog at our web site before ordering, and thank you for your support. From bobs@netdoor.com Wed Sep 23 20:35:17 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 21038 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1998 20:35:15 -0000 Received: from netdoor.com (root@208.137.128.6) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1998 20:35:15 -0000 Received: from default (port210.hat.netdoor.com [208.137.155.210]) by netdoor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18079 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:34:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980923153339.00ac0d18@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: bobs@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:33:39 +0000 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Rob Sayers Subject: Re: M100 as a Unix Terminal? At 10:38 AM 9/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >T-heads, > >There's been some discussion in the list about Unix on the Model 100. >I'd like a show of hands of who uses the Model 100, as I do, as a dialup >Unix terminal. Maybe we can compare notes and learn from each other. > I do, constantly >I use my Model"T" for E-mail, chat, Web authoring, and Unix programming, >all from my Unix shell account. I have set up single-character aliases >for common E-mail operations, like show, next, prev, rmm (I use the MH >mail system). I find it great for checking my mail and doing other "net" things from where I work (Dominos Pizza), I also think its great for connectivity out of town, I can dial into my home system, or login to my isp (which is a local call from just about everywhere in the state) And with my new acoustic coupler, i can even check the mail from a payphone :) > >Also, I've gotten our system admin to install the M100 TERMCAP, which >makes most Linux screen-oriented stuff at least possible to do via the >Model 100. > heh, that termcap was a godsend, unix is hell with a plain old telcom >I find 300 baud to be entirely adequate for editing short files, chat, >and E-mail. For longer files, though, it's more responsive to have the >file local to the M100 -- subject to memory limitations. But, I can >*edit* a 100K file with vi and the M100 as a *terminal* . > its also great for telnetting to one of the hundreds (thousands?) of bbs's out there, most are free and work well with the M100's screen, there's all kinds of places to chat and play games, not to mention muds, which i play all the time on mine, and all this works just fine at 300 baud >Dialup operation is smooth and easy, thanks to the login script >capability of TELCOM. Because of the way my ISP works, I have to do a >dual login, and the Model 100 has no problems with that. > I could never get the login script to work, but i can login manualy nearly as quick Hope this helps somehow -Rob ~ Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage! -Smashing Pumpkins From charles@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com Thu Sep 24 16:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30022 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 16:21:38 -0000 Received: from telops.bdi.gte.com (@192.76.80.65) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 16:21:38 -0000 Received: by telops.bdi.gte.com id MAA25977 (GTE Telephone Operations SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m100@list.30below.com); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:20:34 -0400 Received: by telops.bdi.gte.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:20:34 -0400 From: "Charles E. Stepp" Message-Id: <199809241620.MAA26895@fran.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com> Subject: Re: M100 as a Unix Terminal? To: m100@list.30below.com Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:20:33 EDT In-Reply-To: <36091608.974A6D44@c2-tech.com>; from "Steve Bragg" at Sep 23, 98 10:38 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] > > Also, I've gotten our system admin to install the M100 TERMCAP, which > makes most Linux screen-oriented stuff at least possible to do via the > Model 100. > > I find 300 baud to be entirely adequate for editing short files, chat, > and E-mail. For longer files, though, it's more responsive to have the > file local to the M100 -- subject to memory limitations. But, I can > *edit* a 100K file with vi and the M100 as a *terminal* . > I use my 200 as a Q&D portable console for our systems in the computer center. I sure wish I could get 80x24 though. -- ____ __ ___ /\ _`\ /\ \ 813-615-0392 Home /\_ \ \ \ \/\_\\ \ \___ __ _ __\//\ \ __ ____ \ \ \/_/_\ \ _ `\ /'__`\ /\`'__\\ \ \ /'__`\ /',__\ \ \ \_\ \\ \ \ \ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \_\ \_/\ __//\__, `\ \ \____/ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ /\____\ \____\/\____/ \/___/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/____/\/____/\/___/ ____ __ /\ _`\ /\ \__ charles@fawn11.tmtrfl.tel.gte.com \ \,\_\_\ \ ,_\ __ _____ _____ \/_\__ \\ \ \/ /'__`\/\ '__`\/\ '__`\ /\ \_\ \ \ \_/\ __/\ \ \_\ \ \ \_\ \ \ `\____\ \__\ \____\\ \ ,__/\ \ ,__/ \/_____/\/__/\/____/ \ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \_\ \ \_\ 813-978-2056 Work \/_/ \/_/ From m100@oly.chem.yale.edu Thu Sep 24 16:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 30379 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 16:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oly.chem.yale.edu) (130.132.25.222) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 16:45:52 -0000 Received: from [130.132.25.222] by oly.chem.yale.edu with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:55 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:01:55 -0400 To: THE list From: m100@oly.chem.yale.edu (Ryan MacArthur) Subject: Re: m100 as a Unix terminal >I for one welcome this thread. Last winter when we lost power for several >days during the big ice storm I used my m100 to get my mail on my shell >account using the Pine mailer. Seems to me the formating was a bit weird I concur about the strange formatting enjoyed by the m100 when using Pine and the m100 termcap... actually, on the campus computer here (Sun/Solaris) I type "trs100" at the prompt. I should point out that I have Pico set as the editor in Pine, which is probably not the slickest way to go aesthetically on the m100. If I really wanted an uncluttered m100 screen I'd set the editor as vi, but then i'd have to learn vi. >and scrolling commands funky so I'll have to investigate the termcap for >the m100 and see if my ISP is prepared to accomodate me before we have >another big storm. Another thing to add to my list of to-do's :) Now this is a point that intrigues me... when y'all are talking about your ISPs, are you logging into a PPP server with the m100, and then just connecting to a host machine through the server, or are you actually dialing into a mainframe (which is the only way I've ever done it). -Ryan From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Thu Sep 24 17:56:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31220 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 17:56:11 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 17:56:11 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa11526; 24 Sep 98 13:30 EDT Message-ID: <360A8255.7A3BBB29@c2-tech.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:33:09 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Model 100 List Subject: Re: m100 as a Unix terminal [PPP] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan MacArthur wrote: > Now this is a point that intrigues me... when y'all are talking about your > ISPs, are you logging into a PPP server with the m100, and then just > connecting to a host machine through the server. Ryan and other T-heads, I don't know of any way to use PPP with the Model 100, since that involves the use of a TCP-IP stack, which it has none and I don't know of any written for it. Anyone, anyone? Rick? In my case (and I'm sure something similar is true for the others), my ISP (at my request) gave me a Unix shell account. At my office, we have an Internet-connected Linux machine for mail, WWW, programming, etc. I dialin to my ISP's shell account using the M100, then telnet over to my employer's machine. My earlier message that referred to mail commands, shorthand, TERMCAPs and all that referred to my employer's machine. I basically use the ISP shell account as a "passthru", although in an emergency I could send and receive mail there. >or are you actually dialing into a mainframe (which is the only way I've ever done it). You can do that; however, I think my ISP is less accomodating than my employer's machine, which I have control of :) Your actual mileage may vary. Steve Bragg From jlyons@cam.org Thu Sep 24 18:17:03 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 31669 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 18:17:01 -0000 Received: from altitude.cam.org (198.168.100.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 18:17:01 -0000 Received: from cam.hip.cam.org (Dialup-300.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.44.48]) by Altitude.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA16111 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980924141526.007ea100@pop.hip.cam.org> X-Sender: jlyons@pop.hip.cam.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:15:26 -0400 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Jim Lyons Subject: m100 as UNIX terminal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "Now this is a point that intrigues me... when y'all are talking about your ISPs, are you logging into a PPP server with the m100, and then just connecting to a host machine through the server, or are you actually dialing into a mainframe (which is the only way I've ever done it). -Ryan" I don't know if it would be possible to use PPP with an m100 (now someone prove me wrong!) so I am logging into a shell account directly. Not all ISPs provide that but mine does which is one reason I've stayed with them through thick and thin. PPP or shell I dial the same number ... if a winsock isn't running I get the usual UNIX "login:" prompt etc. Someone mentioned screen .I find it very useful for ftp-ing large files (my ISP provides a temp directory for this instead of the usual 4 MB permanent space). I can start the ftp in screen and then log off the ISP and come back later and use ZMODEM to transfer the file to my home computer (NOT the m100 :) ) without any Internet delays. Of course the m100 could be used to initiate this procedure. Jim Lyons From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Thu Sep 24 18:35:18 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32115 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 18:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO skymaster.c2-tech.com) (16@209.31.69.217) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 18:35:17 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa11830; 24 Sep 98 13:50 EDT Message-ID: <360A86D5.5476CE72@c2-tech.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:52:21 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thedock@value.net CC: Anthony Hayes , m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Loading up 200 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony, You are ready to go! Dial into that ISP with the Model200! More memory just allows you to keep more files locally. The only thing I would suggest is that you investigate whether your ISP's server has terminal support for the model100/102/200 (TERMCAPs). If it's linux or Solaris, it's probably built in (set TERM=m200 or trs200). For others, you can get the TERMCAP (http://www.c2-tech.com/~steveb/m100term.txt) and have your ISP install it. Happy hunting at 300 baud, Steve Bragg > On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Anthony Hayes wrote: > > > Hello, I have a stock Model 200 that I'd like to use as a portable > > terminal (I have access to an ISP that uses a UNIX shell w/ANSI logins), > > and was wondering what memory options to choose to max out the memory > > without ordering "redundant" items. From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Thu Sep 24 18:36:48 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 32293 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 18:36:46 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 18:36:46 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa02225; 24 Sep 98 14:33 EDT Message-ID: <360A90FE.40D61A63@c2-tech.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:35:42 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Model 100 List Subject: Wacky things w/ Cassete Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, T-heads, I got one for ya. Last night, I was trying to put together a program to send "beeps" out the cassette port. I thought it would be a good start on a Morse Code program. I was having some success, even in Basic, but it's clear I'll need a little ML program to call to send the dots and dashes. Being a Ham Radio guy, I eventually want to send AX.25 packet (alias 1200 baud synchronous) data with the M100. Anybody done anything with the cassette port beyond what it was designed for? Looking at the Technical Reference Manual, it looks like it's composed of just input and output bits that are signal-conditioned. With the right driver program, I think I might could trick it into sending 1200 baud tones out the cassette port. Maybe using pulse-width modulation, since there's a little filter connected to the cassette output bit. I know the TRS-80 Model I/II/III guys used to send PWM music out the Cass port. Any thoughts? Steve Bragg, KA9MVA From jew@tao.ca Thu Sep 24 19:08:23 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 41 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 19:08:21 -0000 Received: from igw3.watson.ibm.com (198.81.209.18) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 19:08:21 -0000 Received: from mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (mailhub1.watson.ibm.com [9.2.249.31]) by igw3.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/07-11-97) with ESMTP id PAA15012 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:07:16 -0400 Received: from tao.ca (goalie.tucson.ibm.com [9.115.26.155]) by mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/Feb-20-98) with ESMTP id PAA13514 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:07:15 -0400 Sender: jeward@watson.ibm.com Message-ID: <81499A.9F75FA11@tao.ca> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1970 18:36:26 -0700 From: "James E. Ward" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Second RAM expansion query References: <3.0.5.32.19980924141526.007ea100@pop.hip.cam.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last week, I think, I posted some questions regarding memory expansion on my Model 102. I didn't get any answers, so I'll try again: I have a Model 102 expanded to 32K RAM and with a Ultimate Rom II in the option ROM socket. Is there any way I can retain the use of the UR-2 and get more than 32K RAM without having to add some external stuff to the 102? Anybody? -- Ward... James Ward jew@tao.ca Forging my sanity tao.ca/~jew through polyamory From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Thu Sep 24 19:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 637 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1998 19:56:53 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1998 19:56:53 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa06693; 24 Sep 98 15:53 EDT Message-ID: <360AA3DA.D3CABAB9@c2-tech.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:56:10 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Model 100 List Subject: Model 100 on PPP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan MacArthur wrote: > Now this is a point that intrigues me... when y'all are talking about your > ISPs, are you logging into a PPP server with the m100, and then just > connecting to a host machine through the server. Ryan and other T-heads, I don't know of any way to use PPP with the Model 100, since that involves the use of a TCP-IP stack, which it has none and I don't know of any written for it. Anyone, anyone? Rick? In my case (and I'm sure something similar is true for the others), my ISP (at my request) gave me a Unix shell account. I use the same phone number for both PPP and shell, but I have a different login name for my shell account. At my work,we have an Internet-connected Linux machine for mail, WWW, programming, etc. I dial in to my ISP's shell account using the M100, then telnet over to my employer's machine. My earlier message that referred to mail commands, shorthand, TERMCAPs and all that referred to my employer's machine. I basically use the ISP shell account as a "passthru", although in an emergency I could send and receive mail there. >or are you actually dialing into a mainframe (which is the only way I've ever done it). You can do that; however, I think my ISP is less accomodating than my employer's machine, which I have control of :) Your actual mileage may vary. Steve Bragg From drbinns@idirect.com Fri Sep 25 03:04:57 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 4944 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 03:04:56 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 03:04:56 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00290 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (newhopenet-2.idirect.com [207.136.100.66]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA22293 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c701bde831$382f2fe0$426488cf@ns.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: "THE list" Subject: Re: m100 as a Unix terminal Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:04:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This thread has been very interesting, though for a novice it gets very confusing. I wonder if someone might write an entry-level article on the subject; what software is required, how to configure it, a sample session, maybe even a short summary of Unix commands, etc. It could be posted at Club 100, and would definitely be a fascinating and hepful read for those of us who need some hand-holding. Not an easy paper to write, I admit. -=Paul=- From bobs@netdoor.com Fri Sep 25 03:07:24 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5134 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 03:07:22 -0000 Received: from netdoor.com (root@208.137.128.6) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 03:07:22 -0000 Received: from default (port652.hat.netdoor.com [208.148.200.252]) by netdoor.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01602 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:06:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980924220550.00996910@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: bobs@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:05:50 +0000 To: m100@list.30below.com From: Rob Sayers Subject: Re: m100 as a Unix terminal At 11:04 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >This thread has been very interesting, though for >a novice it gets very confusing. > >I wonder if someone might write an entry-level article >on the subject; what software is required, how to >configure it, a sample session, maybe even a short >summary of Unix commands, etc. It could be posted >at Club 100, and would definitely be a fascinating >and hepful read for those of us who need some hand-holding. > >Not an easy paper to write, I admit. > > -=Paul=- > > > > Great Idea, I'll start on it right away ~ Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage! -Smashing Pumpkins From cameron@stl.dec.com Fri Sep 25 03:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5540 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 03:34:20 -0000 Received: from mail11.digital.com (192.208.46.10) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 03:34:20 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail11.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id XAA22047 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA04631 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:33:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA22007; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:33:16 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <360B0EFC.C549C739@stl.dec.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:33:16 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: m100 as UNIX terminal References: <3.0.5.32.19980924141526.007ea100@pop.hip.cam.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Lyons wrote: > I don't know if it would be possible to use PPP with an m100 (now > someone prove me wrong!) so I am logging into a shell account directly. I've run SLIP on a Tandy 102. My own code. It would be fairly simple to translate it to be PPP, but I haven't got time. Estimate 18 hours work for an experienced networking software engineer. Very little benefit in using PPP or SLIP if you can do straight serial. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From cameron@stl.dec.com Fri Sep 25 03:39:12 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5729 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 03:39:10 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 03:39:10 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id XAA04757 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA04649 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:38:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA20009; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:38:07 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <360B101F.23405EDD@stl.dec.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:38:07 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Wacky things w/ Cassete Port References: <360A90FE.40D61A63@c2-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Bragg wrote: > Anybody done anything with the cassette port beyond what it was > designed for? Beyond switching things with the motor relay, no. I tend toward the serial port for higher frequency stuff. It has it's own oscillator that can be set to a large number of frequencies. Technically it's called a "timer". The same oscillator is used by the BASIC SOUND command, which is why doing SOUND loses serial data. I recommend using the serial port for this rather than the cassette port, because you will then have more time in the program to actually do stuff. Plus you get a voltage swing of 7-12V peak to peak, much easier to work with than the cassette output. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From cameron@stl.dec.com Fri Sep 25 03:40:05 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 5893 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 03:40:03 -0000 Received: from mail13.digital.com (192.208.46.30) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 03:40:03 -0000 Received: from rmstar.stl.dec.com (rmstar.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.42]) by mail13.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with ESMTP id XAA05375 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogg.stl.dec.com (ogg.stl.dec.com [16.153.32.169]) by rmstar.stl.dec.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA04678 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:38:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by ogg.stl.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Oct96-0405PM) id AA22179; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:38:59 +1000 Sender: cameron@ogg.stl.dec.com Message-Id: <360B1052.CD310E32@stl.dec.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:38:58 +1000 From: James Cameron Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List Subject: Reply-To:? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List moderator; any way to add a Reply-To: m100@list.30below.com line to the outgoing messages? Most mailing lists work like that. -- James Cameron (cameron@stl.dec.com) Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 From VTallman@aol.com Fri Sep 25 04:55:50 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 6622 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 04:55:48 -0000 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.3) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 04:55:48 -0000 Received: from VTallman@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id TLGNa13873; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:54:21 -0400 (EDT) From: VTallman@aol.com Message-ID: <709f64d8.360b21fd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 00:54:21 EDT To: m100@list.30below.com Cc: VTallman@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Other portals for M100 email Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 I was one of the early CompuServe subscribers with my old TRS-80. I dropped the subscription many years ago when AOL started up. With renewed interest in the M100 I have resubscribed to CompuServe, using their $9.95/5hr rate. You can still log into Compuserve with an ASCII terminal, thus giving access to email and their forums. No need for PPP ... but not true internet either. FYI. Vern Tallman From drbinns@idirect.com Fri Sep 25 10:14:38 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 8160 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 10:14:37 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (207.136.80.7) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 10:14:37 -0000 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA28689; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.idirect.com (chaosnet13.idirect.com [207.136.86.205]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA26603; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201bde86d$3e184860$cd5688cf@ns.idirect.com> From: "Paul Binns" To: , "Rob Sayers" Subject: Re: m100 as a Unix terminal Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:50:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >At 11:04 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >>This thread has been very interesting, though for >>a novice it gets very confusing. >> >>I wonder if someone might write an entry-level article >>on the subject; what software is required, how to >Great Idea, I'll start on it right away Glad that you think so! I'd be pleased to get a "first- look" at it to let you know what a true "klutz" can do to misconstrue your efforts ;-) In truth, this would be very helpful to many people, I think. Godspeed !! -=Paul=- From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Fri Sep 25 13:02:40 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9341 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 13:02:39 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (B4Sh2zG/NhrUSCXmmLtkd5VNsR2qcriA@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 13:02:39 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #4) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:15:54 PST To: jew@tao.ca (James E. Ward) CC: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Second RAM expansion query From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980925.041554.9X0.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:15:54 PST In-Reply-To: <81499A.9F75FA11@tao.ca> Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 In mail, jew@tao.ca writes: > Last week, I think, I posted some questions regarding memory expansion > on my Model 102. I didn't get any answers, so I'll try again: > > I have a Model 102 expanded to 32K RAM and with a Ultimate Rom II in the > option ROM socket. Is there any way I can retain the use of the UR-2 > and get more than 32K RAM without having to add some external stuff to > the 102? Even *without* the UR-2 you can't get more than 32k without an external addon unit or *severe* modifications to the internals. -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From krypton!shadow@qiclab.scn.rain.com Fri Sep 25 13:02:42 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9356 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 13:02:42 -0000 Received: from qiclab.scn.rain.com (VKQmU+gbD4Eq3/TJoO+xmQ6doW78XqAv@205.238.26.97) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 13:02:42 -0000 Received: by qiclab.scn.rain.com (Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #4) id ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by krypton.rain.com (rnr) via rnr; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:17:56 PST To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Character sets From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) Message-ID: <980925.041756.2G7.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:17:56 PST Organization: Shadownet X-Newsreader: rnr v2.20 I know the model 102 has a different character set than the model 100. I'm not sure about the 200, Nec 8201, Olivetti M-10 or the Kyo units. Here's my best attempt at the non-ASCII portion of the M100 character sets. The descriptions that start with a question mark are ones where I hope *somebody* can come up with a "real" description. dec hex char description --- --- ---- ----------- 128 80 € telephone 129 81 ?(filled in box with triangle on top, inverse P in middle) 130 82 ‚ phone handset 131 83 ƒ ?(square cut in half on diagonal, with odd line coming out) 132 84 „ race car 133 85 … airplane 134 86 † house 135 87 ‡ ?(inverse t with grave accent) 136 88 ˆ upside down exclamation point 137 89 ‰ radical (square root) sign 138 8A Š not equal 139 8B ‹ capital Greek Sigma 140 8C Œ approximately equal 141 8D plus/minus 142 8E Ž integral 143 8F right-pointing filled triangle 144 90 ?(hemisphere with feet, toes out) 145 91 ‘ ?(hemisphere with feet, toes in) 146 92 ’ vertical double-headed arrow 147 93 “ stick man 148 94 ” stick man, hand raised 149 95 • male/Mars 150 96 – female/Venus 151 97 — c/o 152 98 ˜ up arrow 153 99 ™ down arrow 154 9A š right arrow 155 9B › left arrow 156 9C œ club 157 9D diamond 158 9E ž heart 159 9F Ÿ spade 160 A0   acute accent 161 A1 ¡ a acute 162 A2 ¢ c cedilla 163 A3 £ Pound Sterling 164 A4 ¤ grave accent 165 A5 ¥ lowercase Greek mu 166 A6 ¦ degree 167 A7 § down-pointing filled triangle 168 A8 ¨ dagger 169 A9 © section 170 AA ª registered 171 AB « copyright 172 AC ¬ 1/4 173 AD ­ 3/4 174 AE ® 1/2 175 AF ¯ paragraph 176 B0 ° yen 177 B1 ± A diaresis 178 B2 ² O diaresis 179 B3 ³ U diaresis 180 B4 ´ cent 181 B5 µ tilde 182 B6 ¶ a diaresis 183 B7 º o diaresis 184 B8 ¸ u diaresis 185 B9 ¹ capital Greek Beta/German SS 186 BA º trademark 187 BB » e acute 188 BC ¼ u grave 189 BD ½ e grave 190 BE ¾ diaresis 191 BF ¿ florin 192 C0 À a circumflex 193 C1 Á e circumflex 194 C2  i circumflex 195 C3 à o circumflex 196 C4 Ä u circumflex 197 C5 Å circumflex 198 C6 Æ e diaresis 199 C7 Ç i diaresis 200 C8 È a acute 201 C9 É i acute 202 CA Ê o acute 203 CB Ë u acute 204 CC Ì y acute 205 CD Í n tilde 206 CE Î a tilde 207 CF Ï o tilde 208 D0 Ð A circumflex 209 D1 Ñ E circumflex 210 D2 Ò I circumflex 211 D3 Ó O circumflex 212 D4 Ô U circumflex 213 D5 Õ I diaresis 214 D6 Ö E diaresis 215 D7 × E acute 216 D8 Ø A acute 217 D9 Ù I acute 218 DA Ú O acute 219 DB Û U acute 220 DC Ü Y acute 221 DD Ý U grave 222 DE Þ E grave 223 DF ß A grave 224 E0 à no-break space 225 E1 á square, upper left 226 E2 â square, upper right 227 E3 ã square, lower left 228 E4 ä square, lower right 229 E5 å squares, upper left & lower right 230 E6 æ squares, upper right & lower left 231 E7 ç upper half 232 E8 è lower half 233 E9 é left half 234 EA ê right half 235 EB ë all but lower right 236 EC ì all but lower left 237 ED í all but upper right 238 EE î all but upper left 239 EF ï filled box 240 F0 ð upper left box corner 241 F1 ñ horizontal line 242 F2 ò upper right box corner 243 F3 ó top tee intersection 244 F4 ô left tee 245 F5 õ vertical line 246 F6 ö lower left box corner 247 F7 ÷ lower right box corner 248 F8 ø bottom tee 249 F9 ù right tee 250 FA ú crossed lines 251 FB í upper left triangle 252 FC ü lower right triangle 253 FD ý upper right triangle 254 FE þ lower left triangle 255 FF ÿ checkerboard -- Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort From jlyons@cam.org Fri Sep 25 13:30:56 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 9842 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 13:30:55 -0000 Received: from altitude.cam.org (198.168.100.1) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 13:30:55 -0000 Received: from cam.hip.cam.org (Dialup-335.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.44.83]) by Altitude.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA07699 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980925092927.00846a60@pop.hip.cam.org> X-Sender: jlyons@pop.hip.cam.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:29:27 -0400 To: THE list From: Jim Lyons Subject: TEST - Delete Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Test only. From Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com Fri Sep 25 14:50:21 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 10670 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 14:50:20 -0000 Received: from brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (208.158.176.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 14:50:20 -0000 Received: from BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com (bi01.boca.ssc.siemens.com [135.1.82.80]) by brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19310 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525668A.0051613B ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:48:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SIEMENS_STROMBERG-CARLSON From: Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com To: m100@list.30below.com Message-ID: <8525668A.00515A87.00@BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:53:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Wacky things w/ Cassete Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Steve Bragg> send "beeps" out the cassette port. Morse Code program. I guess you intend synthetic sound from the CAS port. I've not done that -- I've done On/Off Keying directed to various ports, CAS among them. Steve Bragg> send AX.25 packet. sending 1200 baud tones out the cassette port. That's a very tall order Steve. You're going to impliment AX.25, make synthetic modulation tones at CAS port, demodulate tones at CAS or some other port, and have enough memory capacity remaining to be useful! You say 1200 Baud, so I assume it's VHF/UHF Amateur packet rather than HF packet at 300 Baud. See my recent three messages at the Club 100 BBS (510-939-1246). There I'm outlining use of the Model 100 for 300 Baud HF Amateur packet. The first message considers the CAS port for receive (300 BPS DEMODULATOR) and the MOD port for transmit (300 BPS MODULATOR). The second message introduces use of the many stage bandpass filter in the receive path of the MOD port (built-in modem), and its output at an I/O port (FSK DEMODULATION). So for the receive path, this is more robust than the unfiltered CAS input port. There's choice of two receive bands via the ORIG/ANS switch. Note that width of the bandpass filter may be too tight for the frequency shift used on VHF/UHF packet -- you'll have to test it, the shift for HF is 200 Hz. Also introduced (FSK MODULATION) is controlled use of the timer within the PIO chip (normally a "rate clock") to step the UART for emmision of a NRZI coded bit stream. Changing the real-time clock (Clock/Calendar chip) to its highest rate is mentioned with respect software drive. The third message gives a small correction to the prior message, and then refines the FSK demodulation idea. There's much detail here -- hardware and software. The thrust of it is forcing the UART (universal ASYNCHRONOUS receiver/TRANSMITTER) act like a USR (universal SYNCHRONOUS RECEIVER). Here another interrupt is introduced, this one is demand drive. It mentions how to derive bits (BIT EXTRACTION FROM UART) from Frame Error and Parity Error. Ron Wiesen, WD8PNL From steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com Fri Sep 25 15:12:54 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11082 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 15:12:53 -0000 Received: from skymaster.c2-tech.com (16@209.31.69.194) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 15:12:53 -0000 Received: from blackbird.c2-tech.com by skymaster.c2-tech.com id aa02898; 25 Sep 98 11:09 EDT Message-ID: <360BB2A0.98D16221@c2-tech.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:11:28 -0500 From: Steve Bragg Organization: C2 Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Wacky things w/ Cassete Port References: <360A90FE.40D61A63@c2-tech.com> <360B101F.23405EDD@stl.dec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Cameron wrote: > I tend toward the serial port for higher frequency stuff. It has it's > own oscillator that can be set to a large number of frequencies. > Technically it's called a "timer". The same oscillator is used by the > BASIC SOUND command, which is why doing SOUND loses serial data. What can I say? James, you're right on here. I've read about that timer in the Tech Ref Manual. But, I _need_ the serial port for 'Net connectivity, control, etc... I guess I could time-slice them. I'd rather just use another one of the M100's interfaces, which is why I'm playing with the cassette port. > I recommend using the serial port for this rather than the cassette > port, because you will then have more time in the program to actually do > stuff. You're right there...hardware timing is always better. But software timing works for short duration transmissions. I've done it a lot in telemetry. > Plus you get a voltage swing of 7-12V peak to peak, much easier to work > with than the cassette output. Well, for connecting to a radio, this is too much. I'd have to pad it down. The audio level coming out of the AUX output of the cassette port is just about right for my Radio Shack HTX-202 2-meter ham radio. Steve From Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com Fri Sep 25 15:30:37 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 11400 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 15:30:37 -0000 Received: from brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (208.158.176.40) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 15:30:37 -0000 Received: from BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com (bi01.boca.ssc.siemens.com [135.1.82.80]) by brfw1ext.stn.siemens.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA21433 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525668A.0055135C ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:29:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SIEMENS_STROMBERG-CARLSON From: Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com To: m100@list.30below.com Message-ID: <8525668A.00550E2E.00@BI01.boca.ssc.siemens.com> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:33:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Character sets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The Model 200 has precisely the same symbol shapes as the Model 102. This is true for the base character codes (32 to 127), and the extended character codes (128 to 255). It's the Model 100 that has some differences. Most differences are symbol cosmetics, a few are completely different symbol shapes and these are for only the extended character codes. MODEL 100 SYMBOL SHAPES FOR BASE CHARACTER CODES: The symbol shapes for many upper case letters have "tails", such as capital D which with horizontal tails at the top and bottom of the symbol. The Model 102 and 200 symbol shapes have no "tails". There's other symbol shape differences, but they are more subtle. MODEL SPECIFIC SYMBOLS FOR A FEW EXTENDED CHARACTER CODES: I can't recall how many or which particular character codes produce symbols that are Model specific. I recall that there's few. If you're interested, give me a FAX number. I'll FAX two pages from the NATIVE user manual where you can see the model differences and note the character codes. Or you can order NATIVE from Club 100 - you get the manual and software that injects laptop symbol shapes into printers that allow "user defined" character shapes. Many dot-matrix and laser printers allow this. Once injected, the shapes persist in the printer until its power is turned off. Until then, the printer produces symbol shape that precisely match what you see on a Tandy laptop screen -- even if it's an IBM PC that sends the printer the character codes! From jew@tao.ca Fri Sep 25 16:34:27 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12000 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 16:34:26 -0000 Received: from igw3.watson.ibm.com (198.81.209.18) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 16:34:26 -0000 Received: from mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (mailhub1.watson.ibm.com [9.2.249.31]) by igw3.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/07-11-97) with ESMTP id MAA16040 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:33:24 -0400 Received: from tao.ca (goalie.tucson.ibm.com [9.115.26.155]) by mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (8.8.7/Feb-20-98) with ESMTP id MAA09948 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:33:23 -0400 Sender: jeward@watson.ibm.com Message-ID: <827709.549E71C@tao.ca> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1970 16:02:33 -0700 From: "James E. Ward" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Second RAM expansion query References: <980925.041554.9X0.rnr.w165w@krypton.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, the replies I got disagree with each other, so I'll paste directly out of the "Whole Enchilada" document from the Club 100 site: >extRAM >This is a 32K RAM (24K in the Model 200) that fits entirely in the >option ROM socket. Under program control, the extRAM >may be used as a RAM disk, or swapped as a RAM bank, or used as a ROM by >copying stored ROM images from disk or rampac. >ROM images swap quickly. So it's like having a multi-ROM bank when used >in this manner. This sounds fine, but I'm assuming that it precludes the use of UR-2? >XR4 >The XR4 is exactly like having four extRAMs in one, 128K memory. Thanks >to innovative packaging technology, it all fits >inside the option ROM socket in less then 1/4 cubic inch, and draws less >then 1 microamp from the Model T's internal >backup battery. This sounds very nice. Does it preclude the use of a custom ROM like UR-2? The other options were external and I'd like to shy away from increasing bulk as much as I can. Can anyone answer these questions. Rick? There's a table at the beginning of that page (http://www.the-dock.com/c100/twe/ram01.html), but it's too difficult to read in Netscape. Maybe it could be put into a real HTML table... Thanks in advance, James -- Ward... James Ward jew@tao.ca Forging my sanity tao.ca/~jew through polyamory From thedock@value.net Fri Sep 25 16:58:35 1998 Return-Path: Delivered-To: m100@list.30below.com Received: (qmail 12341 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1998 16:58:34 -0000 Received: from value.net (thedock@204.188.125.4) by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1998 16:58:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (thedock@localhost) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with SMTP id JAA12886 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT) From: To: m100@list.30below.com Subject: Re: Second RAM expansion query In-Reply-To: <827709.549E71C@tao.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Apr 1970, James E. Ward wrote: > Okay, the replies I got disagree with each other, so I'll paste directly > out of the "Whole Enchilada" document from the Club 100 site: > > >extRAM > >This is a 32K RAM (24K in the Model 200) that fits entirely in the >option ROM socket. Under program control, the extRAM > >may be used as a RAM disk, or swapped as a RAM bank, or used as a ROM by >copying stored ROM images from disk or rampac. > >ROM images swap quickly. So it's like having a multi-ROM bank when used >in this manner. > > This sounds fine, but I'm assuming that it precludes the use of UR-2? No problemo. All option ROMs (ALL) will work in the extRAM. The extRAM is an address space, just like the eproms used to hold, albeit more perminately, the hex file that makes up the ROM-based coding. The extRAM was originally designed to be a 2nd RAM bank, accessable via swapping process with the base RAM. Yet, as a ROM address space, it can become any ROMware you currently have available, albeit only one at a time. The up-side to this is that you do not have to physically pull the device out of the unit and replace it with another device to change option ROM software. The down-side, is that "if" you want more RAM and your URII option ROM concurrently, you have not improved your options by adding an extRAM. > >XR4 > >The XR4 is exactly like having four extRAMs in one, 128K memory. Thanks >to innovative packaging technology, it all fits > >inside the option ROM socket in less then 1/4 cubic inch, and draws less >then 1 microamp from the Model T's internal > >backup battery. > > This sounds very nice. Does it preclude the use of a custom ROM like > UR-2? No problemo, yet again, my friend. Think of the XR4 as 4 extRAMs. And if you "get that vision" you will immediately see that you may load your URII code into a "defined" ROM bank and use the other 3 for RAM, albeit, one at a time -- yet there is coding to allow placing data into a bank from a programming running in the base RAM. > The other options were external and I'd like to shy away from increasing > bulk as much as I can. The XR4 fits entirely in the option ROM socket with three wires that plug into the system bus on the Model 100 (also in that compartment) or you have to split the case on a 102 and fish the wires -- and easy job. > Can anyone answer these questions. Rick? There's a table at the > beginning of that page (http://www.the-dock.com/c100/twe/ram01.html), > but it's too difficult to read in Netscape. Maybe it could be put into > a real HTML table... Yeah. I know about problem and it's on my list to change. One of the things I'm considering doing is to format the text with 65 character width and use a 
 tag.  This will completely eliminate the need for html
coding throughout the document and thus make it MUCH EASIER to modify --
allowing parts to tbe modified by others ... what a concept!

Thanks for the reminder.  -Rick @ Club 100-


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thedock@value.net wrote:
> 
> > >XR4
> > >The XR4 is exactly like having four extRAMs in one, 128K memory. Thanks >to innovative packaging technology, it all fits
> > >inside the option ROM socket in less then 1/4 cubic inch, and draws less >then 1 microamp from the Model T's internal
> > >backup battery.
> >
> > This sounds very nice.  Does it preclude the use of a custom ROM like
> > UR-2?
> 
> No problemo, yet again, my friend.  Think of the XR4 as 4 extRAMs.  And if
> you "get that vision" you will immediately see that you may load your URII
> code into a "defined" ROM bank and use the other 3 for RAM, albeit, one at
> a time -- yet there is coding to allow placing data into a bank from a
> programming running in the base RAM.

Okay, let me see if I get this straight.  In my scenario, I could
install this XR4 device and have concurrently:

32K Base RAM
UR-2 Optional ROM (Available to all other RAM banks?)
3x additional 32K RAM banks?

Do I follow you correctly?  The system ROM and the UR-2 would be
available in a total of four 32K RAM areas?  So it would be sort of like
having 4 Model 102s with identical ROMs?

> > The other options were external and I'd like to shy away from increasing
> > bulk as much as I can.
> 
> The XR4 fits entirely in the option ROM socket with three wires that plug
> into the system bus on the Model 100 (also in that compartment) or you
> have to split the case on a 102 and fish the wires -- and easy job.

Oooooh, ML programs AND fishing wires.  Kinda scary for me...  :-)
-- 
Ward... James Ward
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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
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On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:35:42 -0500, you wrote:

>Last night, I was trying to put together a program to send "beeps" out=20
>the cassette port....

I've used the cass port to read, display, and log SMPTE Time Code (TC)
signals from professional video gear. Thought about using it to output
TC, but never got around to that.

Above cassette signal addressing was done with independent m/l
routines (i.e., not using ROM calls).  I have also written some stuff,
with ROM dependent calls, to "stream" serial port input onto tape,
then re-read same into discrete ASCII files on the M100.  Notes on all
this are pretty buried, but the key to everything is in the 8085's
kinda unique SIM and SOD m/l instructions, and the way the M100
hardware reads or flashes same at at the cass port.

As someone else on the thread mentioned, reading or writing at the
cass port needs a chunk of interrupt-disabled CPU time.  Obviously,
this "chunk" has to fit into other things you're trying to do; so you
need the m/l code to be as clock-tight (definitely not the same as
byte-tight) as possible.  It may be helpful to think of the computer
as a "machine state" device:  while doing X, Y is precluded
until/unless X is satisfied or (priority dependent) Y asserts.

Sorry if all the above is freshman advice to a senior; I just know
that it would have helped me when I first tackled this subject.

Regards,
   Van


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On 1998-09-25 VTallman@aol.com said to bmarcum@iglou.com
   >You can still log into Compuserve with an ASCII terminal, thus
   >giving access to email and their forums.
   >No need for PPP ... but not true internet either.  FYI.
   >Vern Tallman
Have you tried it lately?  I keep hearing that Compuserve plans to end their
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On 1998-09-25 shadow@krypton.rain.com said to bmarcum@iglou.com
   >I know the model 102 has a different character set than the model
   >100. I'm not sure about the 200, Nec 8201, Olivetti M-10 or the Kyo
   >units.
   >Here's my best attempt at the non-ASCII portion of the M100
   >character sets. The descriptions that start with a question mark
   >are ones where I hope *somebody* can come up with a "real"
   >description.
According to my 102 manual, here are the characters that are different:
(does anybody know why they were changed?)

   >dec hex char  description (100)              (102)
   >--- --- ----  -----------
   >136 88  ˆ     upside down exclamation point   pi
   >143 8F       right-pointing filled triangle  left pointing filled triangle
   >204 CC  Ì     y acute                         upside down exclamation point
   >208 D0  Ð     A circumflex                    AE
   >209 D1  Ñ     E circumflex                    ae
   >210 D2  Ò     I circumflex                    A with a circle on top
   >211 D3  Ó     O circumflex                    a with a circle on top
   >212 D4  Ô     U circumflex                    O slashed
   >213 D5  Õ     I diaresis                      o slashed
   >214 D6  Ö     E diaresis                      N tilde
   >220 DC  Ü     Y acute                         upside down question mark

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On Thu, 9 Apr 1970, James E. Ward wrote:

> Okay, let me see if I get this straight.  In my scenario, I could
> install this XR4 device and have concurrently: 
> 
> 32K Base RAM
> UR-2 Optional ROM (Available to all other RAM banks?)
> 3x additional 32K RAM banks?
> 
> Do I follow you correctly?  The system ROM and the UR-2 would be
> available in a total of four 32K RAM areas?  So it would be sort of like
> having 4 Model 102s with identical ROMs? 

Yes!  Correct.  Accurate.  Roger doger.  I think he's got it, by Jove.

> Oooooh, ML programs AND fishing wires.  Kinda scary for me...  :-)

That's okay... it'll be Halloween soon... lots of candy to ease your
nerves. :-)	-Rick-


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I downloaded some programs and they have the backslach "\"  how do you
enter that? I don't seem to get it pressing any of the key combinations. I
don't know where my manual is, probably in storage if I even have it anymore.

Thanks,
Don

At 11:33 AM 9/25/98 -0400, Ron.Wiesen@stn.siemens.com wrote:
>
>
>The Model 200 has precisely the same symbol shapes as the Model 102. This
>is true for the base character codes (32 to 127), and the extended
>character codes (128 to 255).
>
>It's the Model 100 that has some differences. Most differences are symbol
>cosmetics, a few are completely different symbol shapes and these are for
>only the extended character codes.
>
>MODEL 100 SYMBOL SHAPES FOR BASE CHARACTER CODES:
>
>The symbol shapes for many upper case letters have "tails", such as capital
>D which with horizontal tails at the top and bottom of the symbol.  The
>Model 102 and 200 symbol shapes have no "tails".  There's other symbol
>shape differences, but they are more subtle.
>
>MODEL SPECIFIC SYMBOLS FOR A FEW EXTENDED CHARACTER CODES:
>
>I can't recall how many or which particular character codes produce symbols
>that are Model specific.  I recall that there's few.  If you're interested,
>give me a FAX number.  I'll FAX two pages from the NATIVE user manual where
>you can see the model differences and note the character codes. Or you can
>order NATIVE from Club 100 - you get the manual and software that injects
>laptop symbol shapes into printers that allow "user defined" character
>shapes.  Many dot-matrix and laser printers allow this.  Once injected, the
>shapes persist in the printer until its power is turned off.  Until then,
>the printer produces symbol shape that precisely match what you see on a
>Tandy laptop screen -- even if it's an IBM PC that sends the printer the
>character codes!
>
>
>
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In mail, bmarcum@iglou.com writes:

> On 1998-09-25 shadow@krypton.rain.com said to bmarcum@iglou.com
>    >I know the model 102 has a different character set than the model
>    >100. I'm not sure about the 200, Nec 8201, Olivetti M-10 or the Kyo
>    >units.
>    >Here's my best attempt at the non-ASCII portion of the M100
>    >character sets. The descriptions that start with a question mark
>    >are ones where I hope *somebody* can come up with a "real"
>    >description.
> According to my 102 manual, here are the characters that are different:
> (does anybody know why they were changed?)
>
>    >dec hex char  description (100)              (102)
>    >--- --- ----  -----------
>    >143 8F       right-pointing filled triangle  left pointing filled 
> triangle

Oops! That should say *left* for the 100 as well. It was late...

-- 
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In mail, dpfister@kc.net writes:

> I downloaded some programs and they have the backslach "\"  how do you
> enter that? I don't seem to get it pressing any of the key combinations. I
> don't know where my manual is, probably in storage if I even have it anymore.

Here's a list of the "non-obvious" ASCII codes:

Char	key
----	-----------
00h	Pause
1Ch	right arrow
1Dh	left arrow
1Eh	up arrow
1Fh	down arrow
\	GRPH -
`	GRPH [
{	GRPH 9
|	GRPH _ (Shift-Grph -)
}	GRPH 0
~	GRPH ]

Somewhere I've got a set of "keyboard charts" that I made up for the
100. Of course, they are in M100 characters. I may post them anyway...

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Don Pfister KA0JLF wrote:

> I downloaded some programs and they have the backslach "\"  how do you
> enter that? I don't seem to get it pressing any of the key combinations.
> I don't know where my manual is, probably in storage if I even have it
> anymore. 

Don: As Lenoard mention in his message, GRPH - will produce the desired \
character but GRAPH [ will also produce a \ on the screen of your Model
100.  These are two different characters.  The first one is the correct
one.  It produes 5Ch, the second one produces 60h.  My point is moot if
you are online but if you embed characters into files that you will pipe
while online -- using them like macros -- looks are deceptive in this
case.  -Rick @ Club 100-


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Today I was at the Vintage Computer Festival in Santa Clara,
California and saw one computer that only had a cassette interface as
its only means of mass data storage.

However, what was novel was that the owner had recorded all of the
programs for the computer onto CD-R and was able to play them back on
his portable CD player back into the computer.  Completely reliable
medium with a massive amount of data storrage (as compared to the
cassette).

Not that many M100 programs were on cassette (assembler came to mind,
perhaps others).

Thought I should share my discovery.

cfs
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Hi, folks!

I'm considering switching my ISP from Worldnet to a local company
(shore.net) which offers much more (including a shell account, anon.
=46TP, Web space) for not too much more money.

I've noticed here, and in comp.sys.tandy, that quite a few folks use
M100s, 102s, 200s, 4s, and 3s for shell access with their ISP.

Aside from the limited display size of the 100/102 are there any
comments (pro or con) about the use of these machines with shell
accounts ?

All comments are appreciated!

Thanks!


Ron  N1ZHI
roncook@att.net
cook@amsa.com
cooky@delphi.com

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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Charles Stephens wrote:

> Not that many M100 programs were on cassette (assembler came to mind,
> perhaps others). 

Actually, they were all on cassette at one time.  Even the famous
Traveling Software programs before they were installed in the Ultimate ROM
II.  Tandy's Brown Binder series, and all the code offered by mail order
in the 80 Micro, PCM, Portable 100, Pico, Truly Portable, Laptop User,
etc. were all offered on cassette.

Back then (circa early to mid 80s), when Club 100 started offering "The
California Collection" we offered it on cassette.  And making a 90 minute
cassette copy of digital information required mastering original copies,
one at a time -- it took 90 minutes to author one, 90 minute tape ... for
$8.95!! :-( )

At least I was lucky to have the tools and skills to automate the process. 
Here's what I did.  I owned a tpdd and also had a TS-DOS ROM in my Model
100.  I stored all the programs for each tape issue in .do format and
saved them to disk -- one disk per issue.  I then made a loader program
for each issue that, by using the DOS-ON function of TS-DOS, the loader
would read a file from the disk and save it to tape ... progressing
through all the files, one at a time.  The only hitch was that not all the
programs fit on one side of the tape, so I wrote a "Hey Rick: Turn the
darn tape over and hit enter" prompt and associated code ... along with a
lot of beeping! 

When I received an order for a tape, I'd set up the system for that
issue, start it running and go onto other things.  Upon hearing the
beeping, I would flip the tape over, wide it to just past the leader and
hit enter.

A total of 90 minutes later I would have the product.  I then had to
process the order: key in all the customer details and order details,
print the label, the receipt and the credit card slip, call in for an
authorization number for the CC order, and finally pack it all up and take
it down to the post office.

For... $8.95

--

I was not alone it this methodology.  In a voice to voice on the phone
with Ed Judge, VP of Market Planning for Tandy -- Ed and I would talk from
time to time -- he told me this story:

One day, back in the mid 70s, shortly after the introduction of the TRS-80
Model I, Ed was reading an expense report and one item jumped off the page
-- replacement costs for tape recorders.  It was not a small figure.  Ed
needed to investage.  The cost was generated by one of the warehouses at
Tandy Corp.  Ed went to that warehouse.

Upon entering the big, open space he saw long lines of tables filled with
Model Is and tape recorders.  He had walked into where they duplicated
"all" the tape copies of "all" the software for the Model I computers that
would be shipped in "bulk" to all the Tandy District Warehouses to be
distributed to all the Radio Shack stores world wide.  This was ground
zero!

Hey... do the math... get the picture ... hundreds of thousands of copies
of tape-based software each copied separately by a guy walking up and down
the isles of tables filled with Model Is and tape recorders ... replacing
tapes ...  hitting enter ... placing lables on the tapes ... changing worn
out tape recorders ... hour after hour ... day and night ... week after
week ... it never ended!

...one at a frick'n time, man!

-Rick @ Club 100-


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In mail you write:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Charles Stephens wrote:
>
>> Not that many M100 programs were on cassette (assembler came to mind,
>> perhaps others). 
>
> Actually, they were all on cassette at one time.  Even the famous
> Traveling Software programs before they were installed in the Ultimate ROM
> II.  Tandy's Brown Binder series, and all the code offered by mail order
> in the 80 Micro, PCM, Portable 100, Pico, Truly Portable, Laptop User,
> etc. were all offered on cassette.
>
> Back then (circa early to mid 80s), when Club 100 started offering "The
> California Collection" we offered it on cassette.  And making a 90 minute
> cassette copy of digital information required mastering original copies,
> one at a time -- it took 90 minutes to author one, 90 minute tape ... for
> $8.95!! :-( )
>
> At least I was lucky to have the tools and skills to automate the process. 
> Here's what I did.  I owned a tpdd and also had a TS-DOS ROM in my Model
> 100.  I stored all the programs for each tape issue in .do format and
> saved them to disk -- one disk per issue.  I then made a loader program
> for each issue that, by using the DOS-ON function of TS-DOS, the loader
> would read a file from the disk and save it to tape ... progressing
> through all the files, one at a time.  The only hitch was that not all the
> programs fit on one side of the tape, so I wrote a "Hey Rick: Turn the
> darn tape over and hit enter" prompt and associated code ... along with a
> lot of beeping! 

It'd have been easier using a DVI. :-)

But these days, the best bet is to write software based on the tape
module oone of the TRS-80 Model III emulators uses. It can read/write
Model III tapes using a Sound Blaster card. 

I want equivalent software for the 100!

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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In mail, roncook@worldnet.att.net writes:

> I've noticed here, and in comp.sys.tandy, that quite a few folks use
> M100s, 102s, 200s, 4s, and 3s for shell access with their ISP.
>
> Aside from the limited display size of the 100/102 are there any
> comments (pro or con) about the use of these machines with shell
> accounts ?

Well, I found it *much* easier when using the 100 with a DVI. The 80x25
display helped enormously. It's still doable with the built-in display,
just more of a chore.

I used to do most stuff using a DT-100 terminal in 132x24 mode. 

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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I hope some one out there remembers the "ultragraphics" device that was
at one time available for the M100.  This was a unit that hooked up to
the system bus and provided a 80 X 25 display output.  No this was not
the DVI but a stand alone unit. I don't know if it conflicted with the
use of the PDD or not or just how the software worked, but does any one
have info on this maybe one for sale or the schematics and or other
manuals.

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vlkelley@juno.com wrote:
> 
> I hope some one out there remembers the "ultragraphics" device that was
> at one time available for the M100.  This was a unit that hooked up to
> the system bus and provided a 80 X 25 display output.  No this was not
> the DVI but a stand alone unit. I don't know if it conflicted with the
> use of the PDD or not or just how the software worked, but does any one
> have info on this maybe one for sale or the schematics and or other
> manuals.
> 
> Thanks Lee
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Dear Lee,
If I remember correctly this device never made it to the marketplace
although it was advertised in Portable 100.  The Ultracard promoted by
the some company did reach the market but by the time it did the
interest had dropped and the price was too high for the market at the
time.

Klaus

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Hey Ron,

Plug in! TELCOM ho! Log on!

My M100 has 16K and is otherwise not upgraded (soon that will change,
Rick!), and use with my ISP shell account to get E-mail, do MUDs (social
chat/games), Unix programming, etc.  And, much to the chagrin of my
Ray-o-Vac Renewal batteries, I use the M100 this way it almost every
night!

You get used to 300 baud and a small screen for E-mail very quickly.
It's really not bad at all--you just start writing smaller E-mails!  
But, you also quickly get to hate people's mailers that put a whole
bunch of crud at the front of the message that normally isn't read, but
you see when you use Unix tools to view mail!  Netscape and Internet
Explorer/Outlook are especially bad at this.

Steve Bragg

Ron Cook wrote:
> 
> Hi, folks!
> 
> I'm considering switching my ISP from Worldnet to a local company
> (shore.net) which offers much more (including a shell account, anon.
> FTP, Web space) for not too much more money.
> 
> I've noticed here, and in comp.sys.tandy, that quite a few folks use
> M100s, 102s, 200s, 4s, and 3s for shell access with their ISP.
> 
> Aside from the limited display size of the 100/102 are there any
> comments (pro or con) about the use of these machines with shell
> accounts ?
> 
> All comments are appreciated!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Ron  N1ZHI
> roncook@att.net
> cook@amsa.com
> cooky@delphi.com

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Charles Stephens wrote:


> However, what was novel was that the owner had recorded all of the
> programs for the computer onto CD-R and was able to play them back on
> his portable CD player back into the computer.  Completely reliable
> medium with a massive amount of data storrage (as compared to the
> cassette). 


Yep, cool idea for classic computers.  Also, I liked the reply to this
message by Leonard Erickson who suggested using the sound blaster card. 

I'm gonna have to get me a CD burner and try this.  I usually carry an
audio CD player on trips, and putting less-often used programs /
documents on CD for the Model-T sounds practical.  

In another vein, I think I've found the "killer application" for the
Model 100's cassette port and ham radio.  Thanks to all of you who
replied to my earlier ("Wacky Things") post.  The SMPTE comments and
sound blaster comments got me thinking about audio-modulated fax (ham
radio people call it "Slow-scan TV" or "WEFAX"), which is used for
weather maps and such.

Anyone written WEFAX software for the M100 cassette port?  If not, here
I go...

Steve "Find somethin' for each port to do" Bragg

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Leonard Erickson wrote:
> Somewhere I've got a set of "keyboard charts" that I made up for the
> 100. Of course, they are in M100 characters. I may post them
> anyway...

Complete keyboard charts for Model 100 and Model 102/200 are included in
the NATIVE manual. Other handy items are also included, such as ASCII files
that can be used by either a laptop or a PC to exercise/diagnose printer
font capabilities.



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G'day,

a while back I acquired my second TRS-80 Model 100 (also imported from the
US. like my first one). I've yet to arrange for the DVI to be shipped over,
but that can wait for now (I'd need to find a Composite Monitor to put on it
then ;')

Anyway, I just popped the hatch on the back of it this evening, thinking I'd
have a look-see, and found two interesting things.

1 - a Multiplan Rom - 26-3829 \n LH535627 \n 24ZA

question - how do I activate this? Also, if anyone happens to have the
manual for Multiplan available for photocopying... my address is
Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com

2 - another little board, which I suspect is associated with the DVI,
although looking at the cable that did make it across, and the manual, maybe
not...

It's a "U" shaped board that looks something like...

(fixed width font)

+-------------------------------------------------------------+
|                                                             |
|   +----+     +----------------------------------+           |
|  =|    |=    |  +----+  +----+  +----+  +----+  |           |
|  =| I  |=    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |           |
|  =| C  |=    |  | IC2|  | IC2|  | IC2|  | IC2|  |           |
|  =|    |=    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |           |
|  =| 1  |=    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |           |
|  =|    |=    |  +----+  +----+  +----+  +----+  |           |
|  =|    |=    +----------------------------------+           |
|  =|    |=  o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o   +------+ |
|   +----+   o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o  =| s  s |=|
|              +----------------------------------+ =| e  t |=|
|              |         2 rows of pins           | =| r  i |=|
|              |                                  | =| i  c |=|
|   small      |                                  | =| a  k |=|
|   round      | IC 1 markings - MC74HC373        | =| l  e |=|
|  battery     |                  NR8505          | =|    e |=|
|   here       |                (Motorola Logo)   | =| n  r |=|
|              |                                  | =| u    |=|
|              | IC2 - on 'daughter board'        | =| m    |=|
|              |       apparently 'double-sided'  |  +------+ |
+--------------+       with IC markings -         +-----------+
                           (Hitachi Logo)
                            JAPAN  8435
                           TM62464LFP-15
                             T0002330

The IC2 devices appear to be 150ns memory chips. The third (different) IC on
the right hand bottom side is obscured by a 'serial number' sticker.

I couldn't make out any 'manufacturer' marking on the PCB, although there
was something that my failing eyesight couldn't quite make out on the
underside of this board.

Any clues?

Also, while I have your attention, I have a TPPD (26-3808), but no 'DOS'.
Any recommendations? I was thinking of slapping my Visa number down at 'The
Dock' and getting TS-DOS on ROM. Any other suggestions?

Thanks and best regards,

Harry

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On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote:

> G'day, a while back I acquired my second TRS-80 Model 100 (also imported
> from the US. like my first one). I've yet to arrange for the DVI to be
> shipped over, but that can wait for now (I'd need to find a Composite
> Monitor to put on it then ;') 

Hi Harry.  There should be plenty of composite monitors floating around.
Radio Shack used an old TV monitor for their Model I and for the DVI, so
an older TV will work just as well.

> Anyway, I just popped the hatch on the back of it this evening, thinking
> I'd have a look-see, and found two interesting things. 
> 
> 1 - a Multiplan Rom - 26-3829 \n LH535627 \n 24ZA
> 
> question - how do I activate this? Also, if anyone happens to have the
> manual for Multiplan available for photocopying... my address is
> Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com

Go into BASIC and issue the command: CALL 63012

This is the call for most all the option ROMs in a Model 100/102
The Model 200 option ROM call is: CALL 61167,2
The NEC PC-8201a option ROM call is: poke 63911,1:exec 62394

Note: Traveling Software option ROMs use a slightly different call for the
Model 100/102.  It's: CALL 63013,1

I probably have a manual for the Multiplan ROM around here, someplace.
I'll make a note on my todo list to look for a spare and get back to you
if I find one.

> 2 - another little board, which I suspect is associated with the DVI,
> although looking at the cable that did make it across, and the manual, maybe
> not...
> 
> It's a "U" shaped board that looks something like...
> 
> (fixed width font)
> 
> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
> |                                                             |
> |   +----+     +----------------------------------+           |
> |  =|    |=    |  +----+  +----+  +----+  +----+  |           |
> |  =| I  |=    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |           |
> |  =| C  |=    |  | IC2|  | IC2|  | IC2|  | IC2|  |           |
> |  =|    |=    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |           |
> |  =| 1  |=    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |    |  |           |
> |  =|    |=    |  +----+  +----+  +----+  +----+  |           |
> |  =|    |=    +----------------------------------+           |
> |  =|    |=  o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o   +------+ |
> |   +----+   o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o  =| s  s |=|
> |              +----------------------------------+ =| e  t |=|
> |              |         2 rows of pins           | =| r  i |=|
> |              |                                  | =| i  c |=|
> |   small      |                                  | =| a  k |=|
> |   round      | IC 1 markings - MC74HC373        | =| l  e |=|
> |  battery     |                  NR8505          | =|    e |=|
> |   here       |                (Motorola Logo)   | =| n  r |=|
> |              |                                  | =| u    |=|
> |              | IC2 - on 'daughter board'        | =| m    |=|
> |              |       apparently 'double-sided'  |  +------+ |
> +--------------+       with IC markings -         +-----------+
>                            (Hitachi Logo)
>                             JAPAN  8435
>                            TM62464LFP-15
>                              T0002330
> 
> The IC2 devices appear to be 150ns memory chips. The third (different) IC on
> the right hand bottom side is obscured by a 'serial number' sticker.
> 
> I couldn't make out any 'manufacturer' marking on the PCB, although there
> was something that my failing eyesight couldn't quite make out on the
> underside of this board.
> 
> Any clues?

That board, my friend, is a PG Design 128K (4 banks or 32K each) RAM
expansion unit.  American Cryptronics made a similar unit but the one you
drew (nice drawing, by the way) is the PG Design unit. To activate the
unit you will need an option ROM named "RAM+".  The RAM plus ROM installs
the bank switching software into your Model 100/102 -- used to jump from
RAM bank to RAM bank.  FYI: You don't really jump at all.  The effect
looks like you jumped into another bank of RAM but in reality, the OS
swaps the contents of the base RAM in your computer with the contents of
the bank, bit by bit.

> Also, while I have your attention, I have a TPPD (26-3808), but no
> 'DOS'.  Any recommendations? I was thinking of slapping my Visa number
> down at 'The Dock' and getting TS-DOS on ROM. Any other suggestions? 

Although your decision to purchase a TS-DOS ROM is a good one, from a
performance point of view, you may immediately get a DOS at our web site
to get you started.  I stored a number of DOSes in the DL-ARC.EXE file at
our site.  The easiest way to find that file is to simply select the
"Catalog" feature, then scroll down to the "The HOT Setup" section, where
I discuss DeskLink, CompLink Cable and TS-DOS ROM.  The DeskLink
discussion includes an FTP link to the DL-ARC.EXE file.

Download that file using your DOS/Windows computer.  Place it into a
subdirectory you create, named c:\root and run it.  The DL-ARC.EXE file is
a sefl deARCing zip file.  There you will find further information and a
file called TEENY that will get you going, and a file DOS100.CO, the
RAM-based version of TS-DOS -- load it via TEENY.

Late on, you will want to own the TS-DOS ROM, especially since it's now
priced at $27 bucks!  It's a great ROM at a no-brainer price.  Every Model
"T" computer owner (100, 102, 200, NEC8201) should have the TS-DOS ROM
tool available.  It "DOES" make a difference in what you can do with your
Model "T".  There is no easier way to transfer .do, .ba and .co files to a
tpdd or tpdd2 or to transfer files between a Model "T" computer and a
DOS/Windows computer.  Period!!

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html


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My friends: This is a brag.  Since most of us love to eat good food, I
thought it would be a nice idea to share this information.  And I will
weave some Model "T" computing stuff into this message so as to not
totally violate this listserv. :-)

The worlds largest grower of artichokes, accounting for 95% of the
artichokes grown for the United States is Ocean Mist Farms in Castroville,
California.  Their corp site is: http://www.oceanmist.com

Their #1 commodity is the Green Globe Artichoke.  You may access their
artichoke sub-site through their corp site or go there directly.  The
sub-site for their artichokes is: http://www.artichokes.oceanmist.com

Castroville is a small farming town between Monterey and Santa Cruz on the
beautiful California coast.  And although the entire coast of California
is a wonderment, the best surfing is around Ventura and Ocean Beach, in
the Los Angeles area ... just in case any of you like to surf.

FYI: I used my Model 102 extensively "in the field" during the process to
take notes and flesh-out ideas that I shared with management during the
development process.  The trustworthy Model 102 did well and didn't
"choke" on the data.

I dumped my notes to a DOS computer in the lab via a TS-DOS ROM, CompLink
cable and DeskLink.  The Model 102 is a tool for my work and "The HOT
Setup" is a no-brainer way to incorporate Model "T" computing into my
overall computing system.

-Rick @ Club 100-


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The Model 102 (and Model 200) has 15 symbols that are different symbols
than used by the Model 100. There are many symbols where the shapes differ
for purely cosmetic reasons, but there are 15 character codes that produce
entirely different symbols. These 15 character codes are:

136,
204,
208 thru 214,
220.

In a prior message from someone on this list, character code 143 was
mistakenly listed  Character code 143 produces the same symbol on all
Models: a left-pointing filled triangle.



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> ----------
> From: 	thedock@value.net[SMTP:thedock@value.net]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, 30 September 1998 1:13
> To: 	Harry Woodward-Clarke
> Cc: 	'M100 List'
> Subject: 	Re: question(s) on firmware
> 
	
	>That board, my friend, is a PG Design 128K (4 banks or 32K each)
RAM
	>expansion unit.  American Cryptronics made a similar unit but the
one you
	>drew (nice drawing, by the way) is the PG Design unit. To activate
the
	>unit you will need an option ROM named "RAM+".  The RAM plus ROM
installs
	>the bank switching software into your Model 100/102 -- used to jump
from
	>RAM bank to RAM bank.  FYI: You don't really jump at all.  The
effect
	>looks like you jumped into another bank of RAM but in reality, the
OS
	>swaps the contents of the base RAM in your computer with the
contents of
	>the bank, bit by bit.

	Ok.

	However, I am wondering if somehow the Multiplan program might not
be able to access the extra banks of RAM in and of itself. This I will need
to investigate. It just seems that, typically, using a "big" spreadsheet in
Multiplan you would require the extra memory, but if you need to pop the
Multiplan module out and put in the RAM+ module to use the extra RAM, then
it seems to defeat the purpose ;')

	I admit that I don't know anywhere near enough. I am fortunate that
I work in the same facility as James Cameron, who is also on this list, and
tomorrow we'll both have a look-see at this little beastie and see what it
can tell us :')

	>At your service... -Rick-

	and I appreciate it, even though I've not yet bought anything from
you. With the state of the Australian Dollar compared to the US Dollar
($1Aus = $0.60US, it may be a little while yet ;') Once it gets stronger
(say around the .70 mark) I'll be contacting you re: the TS-DOS module :')

	Harry

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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote:

> 	However, I am wondering if somehow the Multiplan program might
> not be able to access the extra banks of RAM in and of itself. This I
> will need to investigate. It just seems that, typically, using a "big"
> spreadsheet in Multiplan you would require the extra memory, but if you
> need to pop the Multiplan module out and put in the RAM+ module to use
> the extra RAM, then it seems to defeat the purpose ;') 

The "quick" answer to your concern is... NO!

The Model 100 computer is "desigened" around an 8 bit processor (2^8 =
64K).  That 64K is split and "hard wired" to be two, separate 32K address
spaces.  One is your RAM and the other is your Option ROM.

Absolutely under no circumstances whatsoever will you be able to have one
data file larger than the RAM available in your model 100 -- and I don't
care how many banks for additional 32K you have attached, there is no
-- that's NO -- automatic bank switching or threading or paging, etc.

There fore, your Multiplan ROM programming, although it runs from the
option ROM address space, develops all -- that's ALL -- its data in the
base RAM of your Model 100 and that is the end of the story.  It just
don't get no better than that!  Period!

> 	I admit that I don't know anywhere near enough. I am fortunate
> that I work in the same facility as James Cameron, who is also on this
> list, and tomorrow we'll both have a look-see at this little beastie and
> see what it can tell us :') 

That's okay.  You keep asking the questions and all of us on the listserv
will keep putting in our 2 cents.  Ask enough questions and you'll have
enough money for a cup of coffee! :-)

> 	and I appreciate it, even though I've not yet bought anything from
> you. With the state of the Australian Dollar compared to the US Dollar
> ($1Aus = $0.60US, it may be a little while yet ;') Once it gets stronger
> (say around the .70 mark) I'll be contacting you re: the TS-DOS module :')

Hmmm... what can I do to help... I wonder?  Hmmm...

I've got an idea cooking.  The "cost" of something like the TS-DOS ROM is
mainly in the duplication of the manual, a litle bit in the price of a
27C256 150ns eprom and a ROMBO, and the cost (time) to process the order,
with a small margin of profit to top it off.  If I could eliminate the
cost for duplicating the manual, the cost of the eprom, the ROMBO and the
time it takes to manufacture the unit, I could reduce the cost to around
ten bucks.  But how could I do that?

Just for grins, let's say that I offered the manual online and the intel
hex file of the ROM image for TS-DOS by e-mail attachment, and you did the
burning and just happened to have a ROMBO, there would be nothing to mail
by snail and you would do the work.  The differences in our dollar value
would be moot compaired to the value of the product.  Does this idea have
any future?

I need some feedback from all who read this.  Throw some ideas at me,
guys.  -Rick @ Club 100-


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Yes, Rick.  Finding ways to circumvent shipping,
exchange, and local sales taxes has great promise
for those of us who are "aliens".

Just as an example, I went to my bank the other day
to purchase a money order to buy some hardware
from a fellow.  I live in Canada.  The _BUYING_
exchange rate at that moment was  .474....  The
bank clerk asked if I wanted to wait a few minutes
as the rate fluctuated minute by minute.

Well I waited a half hour, and the rate improved.

In our new Tandy world ;-)      anything you can do
to cut out all the "middle-men" would make alot
of sense.  Of course, things like burning your
own ROMs can only help those who have access
to the technology.  But at least _some_ will find
benefit and enjoyment.......  I'm thinking mainly
about recent grads who could help give us all a
boost by their "tinkering" with the 100/102/200.
(Always got to make reference to the 200, as
we feel like second cousins  ;-)         )

                                                           -=Paul=-

-----Original Message-----
From: thedock@value.net 
To: 'm100 Listserver' 
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: PG Design 128K board


>On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote:
>
>> However, I am wondering if somehow the Multiplan program might
>> not be able to access the extra banks of RAM in and of itself. This I
>> will need to investigate. It just seems that, typically, using a "big"
>> spreadsheet in Multiplan you would require the extra memory, but if you
>> need to pop the Multiplan module out and put in the RAM+ module to use
>> the extra RAM, then it seems to defeat the purpose ;')
>
>The "quick" answer to your concern is... NO!
>
>The Model 100 computer is "desigened" around an 8 bit processor (2^8 =
>64K).  That 64K is split and "hard wired" to be two, separate 32K address
>spaces.  One is your RAM and the other is your Option ROM.
>
>Absolutely under no circumstances whatsoever will you be able to have one
>data file larger than the RAM available in your model 100 -- and I don't
>care how many banks for additional 32K you have attached, there is no
>-- that's NO -- automatic bank switching or threading or paging, etc.
>
>There fore, your Multiplan ROM programming, although it runs from the
>option ROM address space, develops all -- that's ALL -- its data in the
>base RAM of your Model 100 and that is the end of the story.  It just
>don't get no better than that!  Period!
>
>> I admit that I don't know anywhere near enough. I am fortunate
>> that I work in the same facility as James Cameron, who is also on this
>> list, and tomorrow we'll both have a look-see at this little beastie and
>> see what it can tell us :')
>
>That's okay.  You keep asking the questions and all of us on the listserv
>will keep putting in our 2 cents.  Ask enough questions and you'll have
>enough money for a cup of coffee! :-)
>
>> and I appreciate it, even though I've not yet bought anything from
>> you. With the state of the Australian Dollar compared to the US Dollar
>> ($1Aus = $0.60US, it may be a little while yet ;') Once it gets stronger
>> (say around the .70 mark) I'll be contacting you re: the TS-DOS module
:')
>
>Hmmm... what can I do to help... I wonder?  Hmmm...
>
>I've got an idea cooking.  The "cost" of something like the TS-DOS ROM is
>mainly in the duplication of the manual, a litle bit in the price of a
>27C256 150ns eprom and a ROMBO, and the cost (time) to process the order,
>with a small margin of profit to top it off.  If I could eliminate the
>cost for duplicating the manual, the cost of the eprom, the ROMBO and the
>time it takes to manufacture the unit, I could reduce the cost to around
>ten bucks.  But how could I do that?
>
>Just for grins, let's say that I offered the manual online and the intel
>hex file of the ROM image for TS-DOS by e-mail attachment, and you did the
>burning and just happened to have a ROMBO, there would be nothing to mail
>by snail and you would do the work.  The differences in our dollar value
>would be moot compaired to the value of the product.  Does this idea have
>any future?
>
>I need some feedback from all who read this.  Throw some ideas at me,
>guys.  -Rick @ Club 100-


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In mail, steveb@skymaster.c2-tech.com writes:

> You get used to 300 baud and a small screen for E-mail very quickly.
> It's really not bad at all--you just start writing smaller E-mails!  
> But, you also quickly get to hate people's mailers that put a whole
> bunch of crud at the front of the message that normally isn't read, but
> you see when you use Unix tools to view mail!  Netscape and Internet
> Explorer/Outlook are especially bad at this.

Actually, many of the Unix mailers let you configure which header lines
get displayed. And have a command to display the full headers if you
need them.

-- 
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In mail, vlkelley@juno.com writes:

> I hope some one out there remembers the "ultragraphics" device that was
> at one time available for the M100.  This was a unit that hooked up to
> the system bus and provided a 80 X 25 display output.  No this was not
> the DVI but a stand alone unit. I don't know if it conflicted with the
> use of the PDD or not or just how the software worked, but does any one
> have info on this maybe one for sale or the schematics and or other
> manuals.

I don't know about *that*, but I bet someone could extract the "video"
stuff from the DVI hardware (and software) and create such a device.

-- 
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Well I've thought of that.  I sold my DVI a while back but I did keep a
copy of the tech manual with the schematics so maybe.... hummm.



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Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote:
> I admit that I don't know anywhere near enough. I am fortunate that
> I work in the same facility as James Cameron, who is also on this list,
> and tomorrow we'll both have a look-see at this little beastie and see
> what it can tell us :')

I've looked.  See http://riogrande.digital.com.au:6153/pg/ for pictures
of what I saw.  Only the first one is really useful, but I can't help
myself with pictures.  ;-)

I think it is plausable that the Multiplan ROM may have code to do the
bank switching on the rest of the board, but the only way to find out is
to read the manuals or decode the ROMs.  I see Rick's note that it
doesn't, so I'm content to leave it at that.

The chips used are 32K each, and the architecture of the Tandy 100 is
such that they could not be easily partially switched; it's most likely
all or nothing.

I wonder what that obscured ceramic chip on the right is?  Stores
current bank reference?

The 74LS373 might be the address half-byte buffer.  The 80C85 processor
has an eight bit address bus, sending a 16 bit address out in two
phases.  

Check the voltage on that Lithium cell, Harry.

-- 
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Have two where indicated.

Hardware:

External floppy disk drive (2), cassette recorder (2), cassette cable (2),
modem cable (2), memory upgrade (2) and TRP-100 AC/DC thermal printer (1).

Soft computer case (2) and soft disk drive case (2).

Barcode wand and software (2).  Debugger/Assembler cassette software (1).

Firmware:

Ultimate ROM II (TS-DOS, ROM-View 80, T-Base, T-Word and Idea!) (2),
Interactive Solutions (1) and Multiplan (2).

Each one is like new - perhaps two battery changes since I bought them new.
I'm posting it today to the group - best offer on one or both systems.

Mort Denison

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Hello Model T specialists!

This is the first time I am using this bulletin board. I have some 
technical questions about model 100, 102 and 200 and I was told by 
Richard Hanson that may be you can help me.

I owned a model 100 and a model 200. I have a good technical knowledge 
of the model 100, but I lack some information about model 200 and 102 
(that I may acquire depending on the answers I may get).

-----------------------------
First group of questions: SYSTEM BUS CONNECTOR

Can you tell me if the system bus connector at the back of the model 102 
and 200 is the same as the one under the model 100? Obviously, the 
connector type is different, but I would like to know if pin 1 
correspond to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. If they are different, can I 
get the description of each pin for model 102 and 200? (I already owned 
the technical manual RS cat. No. 26-3810 for the model 100 for which I 
have build a relay and LED interface)

------------------------------
Second group of questions: ROM DIFFERENCE

Can you tell me if the ROM is the same for model 100 and model 102? Is 
the memory mapping the same? Is the assembler routines are the same and 
at the same memory locations? Can I applied to the model 102 the 
information contained in the RS Cat. No. 26-3823 model 100 development 
kit? (I also owned this kit)

Regarding model 200, it is obvious that the ROM is different.

------------------------------
Last group of questions: CLOCK SPEED

Can you tell me if I can change the internal crystal of model 100, 102 
or 200 by a new one running at 8.0000 MHz? This question may look funny 
and the application useless but let me explain you the idea behind this 
replacement of the crystal. By changing the speed from 4.9152 MHz to 
8.0000 MHz, I also change the speed of the serial port. With the 
original crystal, the maximum baud rate is 19,200. By changing the 
crystal from 4.9152 MHz to 8.0000 MHz, I also change the maximum speed 
from 19,200 to 31,250 baud rate (you can make the calculation to confirm 
these numbers!). This 31,250 very odd baud rate is the same that the one 
used by MIDI synthesizers to talk to each other!

For those of you who do not know about MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital 
Interface), I can quickly say that it is a group of hardware and 
software specifications defined to interconnect computer and music 
synthesizers together. It is universally used in the musical world.

According to Intel, I know that some 80C85 model can run at 8MHz, but 
what about the other peripherals inside the TRS? I am aware also that my 
serial port may no longer be used to communicate with other computer 
using standard baud rates and that the power consumption will increase. 
Concerning MIDI itself, I do not want to use the TRS as a high 
performance sequencer, but rather as a control panel to read 
synthesizers status, send simple Exclusive Messages, and so on. Can you 
imagine an entire MIDI studio controlled by a Model T!!! 

That's it for my questions! Thank you for being patient with me!...

=André Deltell, Laval, Canada


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Hi all,
  I just got a M100 that it dead.  When I turn it on, all I get is two thick
black bars on the screen.  Anyone have any ideas what I can do?  Thanks.

    Rich

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On Sun, 4 Oct 1998, Richard Crisafulli wrote:

> Hi all, I just got a M100 that it dead.  When I turn it on, all I get is
> two thick black bars on the screen.  Anyone have any ideas what I can
> do?  Thanks.  Rich

The problem could be obvious and easy to fix or a nightmare, but you'll
never know until you isolate the parts until you discover kind-of were the
problem lies -- and there could be more than one problem.

Pull the entire machine apart and check all the connections.  Look over
the motherboard for corrosion and cold solder joints, etc.  If that
doesn't clear the problem(s) then start swaping its parts with those of a
machine that works.  Start with the LCD, then the keyboard, etc.

At some point you will get down to the motherboard.  At that point you
will need the spects and knowledge of electronics.

Have fun... -Rick @ Club 100-


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On Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:29:50 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>  I just got a M100 that it dead.  When I turn it on, all I get is two =
thick
>black bars on the screen.  Anyone have any ideas what I can do?  Thanks.
>
Before you pull the case apart, try the following:

1.  Remove the batteries.
2.  Turn off the Memory Power switch on the bottom of the machine.
3.  Remove any chip installed in the Option ROM socket (under one of
the trap doors on the bottom of the case.
4.  Remove any RAM expansion module -- or anything else --  installed
in the System Bus socket (under another trap door).
5.  Let the machine sit in this condition overnight.
6.  Turn on the Memory Power switch.
7.  Attach a known-to-be good AC power supply.
8.  Turn on the main power switch and see what happens.

If you still have the same condition, it's time to open the case.  But
before you start thinking about hardware replacement, you should:

1.  Remove and re-seat the RAM modules.
2.  Disconnect and re-connect any ribbon connectors you can find.
3.  Get rid of any debris, dirt, etc. inside the case.

Put things back together and re-test as above.

In my experience, most sudden M100 crashes/lockups have come from
flakey connections in the Option ROM socket.  It just seems that the
socket prongs and ROM connector strips get corroded over time, and for
reasons I've never understood, this can lock up the machine even when
you aren't using OptROM software at the time.  Removing and re-seating
the ROM is usually enough to get the electrons flowing again.  Some
people recommend burnishing the contacts with a pencil eraser or emery
stick, but I don't know how much this really helps.  I think a =3Dlight=3D
wipedown with WD40 might be even better.  [Obviously, if you don't
have an Option ROM installed, this part doesnt' apply to you!]

Let me know how you make out.

Van


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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:12:13 +1000, you wrote:

>	However, I am wondering if somehow the Multiplan program might not
>be able to access the extra banks of RAM in and of itself. This I will =
need
>to investigate. It just seems that, typically, using a "big" spreadsheet=
 in
>Multiplan you would require the extra memory, but if you need to pop the
>Multiplan module out and put in the RAM+ module to use the extra RAM, =
then
>it seems to defeat the purpose ;')


My memory is a little fuzzy on this, but I thought the PGD expansion
modules came with RAM-based software called 0MENU ("ZeroMenu") that
handled bank switching and even inter-bank file transfers.  If I'm
correct that 0MENU came with the PGD kit (instead of the American
Cryptronics equivalent), you could keep the Multiplan ROM and still
make use of the extra RAM banks.

Your quest for "big" spreadsheets (larger than a single M100 bank)
won't get any help from the above, though.  Even with the biggest
expansion module, you only get to play with 32K of RAM at a time --
kinda like having eight independent M100's in a single box.

Regards,
  Van


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Just got this off the usenet group serving coco's:
=-=-
[bit.listserv.coco is the newsgroup]

Everyone,

If your looking for Radio Shack items.. a new site has just been put
online.

http://www.simology.com/trs80again/

Check it out!

Regards,
Steve McCoy
=-=-
Richard Herndon
Austin, TX

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Van,

	>My memory is a little fuzzy on this, but I thought the PGD
expansion
	>modules came with RAM-based software called 0MENU ("ZeroMenu") that
	>handled bank switching and even inter-bank file transfers.  If I'm
	>correct that 0MENU came with the PGD kit (instead of the American
	>Cryptronics equivalent), you could keep the Multiplan ROM and still
	>make use of the extra RAM banks.

thanks! I had sent mail to the original owner of the M100 beast, and he
confirmed that there was "some piece of RAM based software" that did the
magic swap between 32K banks. I found PGD on the web (www.pgdesign.com I
think it was) but no 'email' facility on the web pages, so I'll need to
construct a fax and zap that off to them to see if they can lob me a copy of
the software.

I wasn't really planning on using Multiplan in a "huge way" on the M100 -
let's face it, there are "better" options available. Hey, even the
spreadsheet in "Microsoft Works" (oxymoron alert! :') on my wife's P90 would
be more capable. But, there are times and places for everything; and I think
Multiplan on an M100 will be eminently useable for some data-gathering
purposes.

Thanks for all the assistance - maybe one day I'll be able to contribute
instead of being a 'sponge' :'}

Harry


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Can someone explain to me how exactly to setup the terminal
defintion for the m100 under a Linux, I tried everything but
so far have not been able to get it to work. My admin says he
wont add the defition system wide and that I will have to locally
if I want to be able to use it. 

Please, email me if you can tell me exactly how to set this up....


sorry...
- Mike Gehring



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On Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:02:58 +1000 , you wrote:
>
>thanks! I had sent mail to the original owner of the M100 beast, and he
>confirmed that there was "some piece of RAM based software" that did the
>magic swap between 32K banks. I found PGD on the web (www.pgdesign.com I
>think it was) but no 'email' facility on the web pages, so I'll need to
>construct a fax and zap that off to them to see if they can lob me a =
copy of
>the software.
>
Dim recollection makes me think the 0MENU program is in the CompuServe
Model 100 libraries, released by PGD on the theory that "it would only
be useful to people who own the RAM module; so why not make it
available."  I haven't been on CServe for a long time -- so long that
I've forgotten my password -- or I could check it out for you.

Let me know if you run into a dead end, and I'll put some more effort
into this.

Regards,
  Van

p.s.
>Thanks for all the assistance - maybe one day I'll be able to contribute
>instead of being a 'sponge' :'}
That's exactly how we all began.  IMO, your attitude makes you a
contributor already.


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In mail, andeltell@hotmail.com writes:

> -----------------------------
> First group of questions: SYSTEM BUS CONNECTOR
>
> Can you tell me if the system bus connector at the back of the model 102 
> and 200 is the same as the one under the model 100? Obviously, the 
> connector type is different, but I would like to know if pin 1 
> correspond to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. If they are different, can I 
> get the description of each pin for model 102 and 200? (I already owned 
> the technical manual RS cat. No. 26-3810 for the model 100 for which I 
> have build a relay and LED interface)

The pinout on the 102 and the 200 is the same. I don't know if it;s the
same as on the 100.

> ------------------------------
> Second group of questions: ROM DIFFERENCE
>
> Can you tell me if the ROM is the same for model 100 and model 102? Is 
> the memory mapping the same? Is the assembler routines are the same and 
> at the same memory locations? Can I applied to the model 102 the 
> information contained in the RS Cat. No. 26-3823 model 100 development 
> kit? (I also owned this kit)

The 102 ROM *is* different. And there are even some differences in the
character set. But all the Tandy documented addresses from the 100 are
the same on the 102. 

> ------------------------------
> Last group of questions: CLOCK SPEED
>
> Can you tell me if I can change the internal crystal of model 100, 102 
> or 200 by a new one running at 8.0000 MHz? This question may look funny 
> and the application useless but let me explain you the idea behind this 
> replacement of the crystal. By changing the speed from 4.9152 MHz to 
> 8.0000 MHz, I also change the speed of the serial port. With the 
> original crystal, the maximum baud rate is 19,200. By changing the 
> crystal from 4.9152 MHz to 8.0000 MHz, I also change the maximum speed 
> from 19,200 to 31,250 baud rate (you can make the calculation to confirm 
> these numbers!). This 31,250 very odd baud rate is the same that the one 
> used by MIDI synthesizers to talk to each other!

No need to. The serial port will *already* go to 115,200. Just just
have to use assembler to load the proper divisor value into the UART
registers. 

And as I recall, once you load the proipewr values into the UART, you
can still use BASIC to do the I/O.

Changing the clock crystal in the 100, 102, or 200 would *really* mess
things up. There are *way* too many timing loops in the ROM.

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Hello Andre !

>-----------------------------
>First group of questions: SYSTEM BUS CONNECTOR
>
>Can you tell me if the system bus connector at the back of the model 102
>and 200 is the same as the one under the model 100? Obviously, the
>connector type is different, but I would like to know if pin 1
>correspond to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, etc. If they are different, can I
>get the description of each pin for model 102 and 200? (I already owned
>the technical manual RS cat. No. 26-3810 for the model 100 for which I
>have build a relay and LED interface)


The System Bus Interface pin assignments for the Model200
follow.  These are from the Model 200 Tech Ref Manual :

Connector:

                                                    |__________|
--  2  4  6  8  10  12  14  16  18  20  22  24  26  28  30  32  34  36  39
40  --
  |
|
-   1  3   5  7   9   11  13  15  17  19  21  23  25  27  29  31  33  35  37
39  --

Pin Assignment:

   1     VDD
   2     VDD
   3     GND
   4     GND
   5     DO          Address and data signal bit 0
   6     D1           Address and data signal bit 1
   7     D2           Address and data signal bit 2
   8     D3           Address and data signal bit 3
   9     D4           Address and data signal bit 4
   10   D5           Address and data signal bit 5
   11   D6           Address and data signal bit 6
   12   D7           Address and data signal bit 7
   13   A8           Address signal bit 8
   14   A9           Address signal bit 9
   15   A10         Address signal bit 10
   16   A11         Address signal bit 11
   17   A12         Address signal bit 12
   18   A13         Address signal bit 13
   19   A14         Address signal bit 14
   20   A15         Address signal bit 15
   21   GND
   22   GND
   23   RD           Read enable signal
   24   WR          Write enable signal
   25   IO/M         I/O or memory select signal
   26   SO           Status 0 signal
   27   ALE         Address latch enable signal
   28   S1            Status 1 signal
   29   CLK         Clock signal
   30   IOCONT  I/O controller select signal
   31   E              I/O or memory access enable signal
   32   RESET    Reset signal
   33   INTR        Interrupt request signal
   34   INTA        Interrupt acknowledge signal
   35   GND
   36   GND
   37   RAMRST  RAM enable signal
   38   NC
   39   NC
   40   NC



Hope this helps you out.........

                                                                      -=Paul
=-




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 >> Can you tell me if I can change the internal crystal of model 100, 102
 >> or 200 by a new one running at 8.0000 MHz?

Andre, I doubt any of the major chips in the Model 100 were made to run at
such a high speed.  You can try to reprogram the serial clock rate, though.

Try this old MIDI recorder demo program I dredged up from the early days:

10 OPEN"com:98n1d"FORINPUTAS1:OPEN"music.do"FOROUTPUTAS2
20 OUT180,5:OUT181,64:OUT176,195
25 ONCOMGOSUB30
26 COMON:N=1
27 FORX=1TO10:NEXT:N=N+1:PRINT@160,N:GOTO27
30 N$=INPUT$(1,1):IFN$
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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
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On Mon, 5 Oct 1998 00:19:09 -0400, Charles Peklenk
<72365.1725@compuserve.com> wrote:
[Somehow this message got routed to me.  I think Charles wanted it on
the M100/30below listserve.  So here's the forward.....
W. Van Alst]



 >> Can you tell me if I can change the internal crystal of model 100,
102
 >> or 200 by a new one running at 8.0000 MHz?

Andre, I doubt any of the major chips in the Model 100 were made to
run at
such a high speed.  You can try to reprogram the serial clock rate,
though.

Try this old MIDI recorder demo program I dredged up from the early
days:

10 OPEN"com:98n1d"FORINPUTAS1:OPEN"music.do"FOROUTPUTAS2
20 OUT180,5:OUT181,64:OUT176,195
25 ONCOMGOSUB30
26 COMON:N=3D1
27 FORX=3D1TO10:NEXT:N=3DN+1:PRINT@160,N:GOTO27
30 =
N$=3DINPUT$(1,1):IFN$
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I've recently received a number of messages from folks who do not know ho
to run .CO files in their Model "T"s.  Although it information in at our
web site, I thought I'd go ahead and present it in this forum.

--

                            INSTALLING A .CO FILE

The .CO file extension in a Model 100, 102, 200 means that the file is
programmed in machine language.  Just because you "see" the .CO file in
your menu does not mean it is where it has to be to run.  In fact, it's
easy to know if a .CO is installed as it will beep and return you to the
menu if it is not.  It's that simple!

Machine language programs can not run in a Mdoel 100, 102, 200 without
being "copied" to in a special place in RAM.  And yes, once copied to that
special place in RAM the .CO files also reside in yet, another place in
RAM so they will appear in your menu, i.e. a installed .CO file that is
also seen in the menu is in RAM in two places.  This is not necessarly bad
-- just the way it works in these machines.

To copy the .CO file to that special place in RAM so it will run, you need
to do the following steps.

Note: In this example the word "filename" refers to the name of the .CO
file, and ##### refers to the "Top:" number you need to find and use to
install the .CO file.

Go into BASIC and issue the commands:

     clear0,maxram
     loadm"filename.co

You will get three numbers labled "Top:", "End:" and "Exe:" followed by an
error code -- ignore the error.  Write down the "Top:" number.

While still in BASIC, issue the commands:

     clear256,#####
     loadm"filename.co
     menu

You have just installed the .CO file.  Now, when you place your bar cursor
over the file and hit  it will run.  These are the basics.  There
is far more to this subject, such as relocating .CO file code, installing
more than one .CO via stacking, and .CO file swapping.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html


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Hello!
Thank you to Leonard, Paul and Charles for your very accurate 
information regarding my technical questions. Here are the results:

the MIDI programm works on Model 100 and Model 200. A marvel!!!

the system bus pin out on model 100 is different from model 102 and 200 
because the pin numbrering on model 100 follow the same alignement than 
an integrated circuit board (counter clock wise, starting from top 
right), where Model 102 and 200 follow a connector pin alignement 
(alternating top-bottom, right to left). The final result is the 
following:

model 100: 1    1 model 102, 200
model 100: 2    3 model 102, 200
model 100: 3    5 model 102, 200
model 100: 4    7 model 102, 200
model 100: 5    9 model 102, 200
model 100: 6   11 model 102, 200
model 100: 7   13 model 102, 200
model 100: 8   15 model 102, 200
model 100: 9   17 model 102, 200
model 100: 10  19 model 102, 200
model 100: 11  21 model 102, 200
model 100: 12  23 model 102, 200
model 100: 13  25 model 102, 200
model 100: 14  27 model 102, 200
model 100: 15  29 model 102, 200
model 100: 16  31 model 102, 200
model 100: 17  33 model 102, 200
model 100: 18  35 model 102, 200
model 100: 19  37 model 102, 200
model 100: 20  39 model 102, 200
model 100: 21  40 model 102, 200
model 100: 22  38 model 102, 200
model 100: 23  36 model 102, 200
model 100: 24  34 model 102, 200
model 100: 25  32 model 102, 200
model 100: 26  30 model 102, 200
model 100: 27  28 model 102, 200
model 100: 28  26 model 102, 200
model 100: 29  24 model 102, 200
model 100: 30  22 model 102, 200
model 100: 31  20 model 102, 200
model 100: 32  18 model 102, 200
model 100: 33  16 model 102, 200
model 100: 34  14 model 102, 200
model 100: 35  12 model 102, 200
model 100: 36  10 model 102, 200
model 100: 37   8 model 102, 200
model 100: 38   6 model 102, 200
model 100: 39   4 model 102, 200
model 100: 40   2 model 102, 200




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>  The final result is the following:
> 
> model 100: 1    1 model 102, 200
> model 100: 2    3 model 102, 200

Sounds like you are making progress.  There was at least one
pin available on the model 100 (used for external ram bank
switching) that is not available on a 102 (stock that is, 
one of my 102's is "modified").

You were also asking about rom differences.  There are a few,
very minor.  The only ones that have caused me any extra work
are that some CODE/KEY and GRPH/KEY combinations produce different
results/characters/codes.

robi

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Hi all,

Followed the instructions fine - just can't get my m200 and pc to talk !
Got the right cable, set them to the same baud rate etc.. but when I go into
term mode on both computers & type - expecting to see the same stuff on the
other screen, all I get is garbage..lots of x's on the pc, all kinds of
characters on the m200.
I'm hoping I've made a simple idiot problem - Help !

Cheers
Mat Ricardo

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Duellist01@aol.com wrote:
> but when I go into term mode on both computers & type - expecting to
> see the same stuff on the other screen, all I get is garbage..lots of
> x's on the pc, all kinds of characters on the m200.

Can you give an example?  i.e. you press space bar on the m200 and get
what on the PC?

This sounds like baud rate, number of bits per byte, or parity.

Try this first, to make sure both ends are working ...

m200		     pc

---+                +---
   |                |
  2|--+          +--|2
   |  |          |  |
  3|--+          +--|3
   |                |
---+                +---

Yes, just connect pins two and three.  This should result in whatever
you type being displayed as is on both machines.  This checks the
internals of each machine, but doesn't check baud rate compatibility.

I use a paper clip.

-- 
James Cameron                                    (cameron@stl.dec.com)
Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

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I had the exact same problem with my PC8201a (NEC). Try experimenting with
the settings. Try mixing them and/or use a lower speed. I'm assuming you are
using a null modem or at least a cable wired so the inputs are going to the
outputs. Keep at it!

Vince
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From: Duellist01@aol.com 
To: m100@list.30below.com 
Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 7:07 AM
Subject: m200 to PC probs


>Hi all,
>
>Followed the instructions fine - just can't get my m200 and pc to talk !
>Got the right cable, set them to the same baud rate etc.. but when I go
into
>term mode on both computers & type - expecting to see the same stuff on the
>other screen, all I get is garbage..lots of x's on the pc, all kinds of
>characters on the m200.
>I'm hoping I've made a simple idiot problem - Help !
>
>Cheers
>Mat Ricardo


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In mail, Harry.Woodward-Clarke@digital.com writes:

> I wasn't really planning on using Multiplan in a "huge way" on the M100 -
> let's face it, there are "better" options available. Hey, even the
> spreadsheet in "Microsoft Works" (oxymoron alert! :') on my wife's P90 would
> be more capable. But, there are times and places for everything; and I think
> Multiplan on an M100 will be eminently useable for some data-gathering
> purposes.

It's actually more useful than you might think. It will save
spreadsheets to the COM port in standard Microsoft SYLK format, which
is importable by most spreadsheets on the market. 

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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In mail, gehring@shaw.wave.ca writes:

> Can someone explain to me how exactly to setup the terminal
> defintion for the m100 under a Linux, I tried everything but
> so far have not been able to get it to work. My admin says he
> wont add the defition system wide and that I will have to locally
> if I want to be able to use it. 

Here's what I used to use on a Sun system. This is from the .login
file. My home directory is the ~leonard in the stuff below.

stty crt susp '^Z' dsusp '^Y' rprnt '^R' flush '^O' werase '^W' lnext '^V'
stty new
stty erase ^H
stty kill ^U
stty crt crterase crtkill -tabs
echo ' '
echo 'Terminal choices: dt100, dt100w, vt52, m100, m100v ?'
echo ' '
echo -n 'terminal?'
set thisterm=$<
if ($thisterm == "" ) set thisterm=vt100
setenv TERM $thisterm
switch ($TERM)
    case dt100:
        setenv TERMCAP ~leonard/tc
        breaksw
    case dt100w:
        setenv TERMCAP ~leonard/tc
        breaksw
    case m100:
        setenv TERMCAP ~leonard/tc
        breaksw
    case m100v:
        setenv TERMCAP ~leonard/tc
        breaksw
    case vt52:
        setenv TERMCAP /etc/termcap
        breaksw
    case vt100-25
	setenv TERMCAP ~leonard/tc
	breaksw
    case vt100w:
	setenv TERMCAP /etc/termcap
	breaksw
    default:
        echo "So you have a mystery terminal??"
    endsw
stty    tabs
set	term=$TERM
set     ignoreeof
unset   noglob thisterm

-- 
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G'day,

I've been in contact with the previous owner of my little PGD RAM board (and
M100 it lives in), and he has some documentation. Yay! The board is
apparently a "PG DESIGN 32K/64K CMOS RAM" board - and in this case it is
"64K" - confirmed both by playing with it (see below), and by checking the
RAM chips themselves.

For anyone else that gets one of these, he sent the following code that
activates each bank...

Bank Select Program
o Go to "BASIC".
o Type in program as shown below
	10 INPUT"INPUT BANK ";X:IF X<1 OR X>3 THEN 10 ELSE
A#=0:B=VARPTR(A#):POKE B,243:POKE B+1,211:POKE B+2,(X-1)*16:POKE
B+3,195:POKE B+4,0:POKE B+5,0:CALL B
o Save this program as "Bank.Ba".

You should put a copy of Bank.Ba in each 32K bank.

Bank "1" is the standard RAM that comes on the M100, Banks "2" and "3" are
the extended memory banks.

The only "down side", is that I've not yet found a way to copy stuff between
RAM Banks - e.g. if I want to have a small utility program (e.g. BANK.BA) in
each bank, I need to key it into each bank. The only way (I've nutted out)
involves the use of a PC as a scratch pad, and flip the file(s) back and
forth ;') via TELCOM. Not really arduous, I guess, for all the benefits that
may well accrue.

Unfortunately, the 3V Lithium battery that keeps the memory alive is
measuring somewhere in the order of tens-of-millivolts ;') So a replacement
is in order this weekend :')

Most interesting to (now) have an M100 with 96K RAM ;')

Thanks for everyone's assistance,

Harry

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Leonard--

You said that you used the .login file on a Sun.

For Linux I believe it will need to be at the beginning of .bash_profile
or .bash_rc... i'll have to check. I have the head from my Linux box
running on my Amiga2000 (which I am using now) and I don't quite feel like
lugging a 15" monitor up 3 floors right now :)

Kevin


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Kevin Stewart wrote:
> For Linux I believe it will need to be at the beginning of
> .bash_profile or .bash_rc... i'll have to check. 

No, you've just come across the default shell on Linux; Bash.  You can
use other shells, such as tcsh.  Use chsh to change.  .login is
recognised by some shells, and not by others.

I prefer tcsh myself, over bash.

See the man page for each shell for what the .login equivalent is.

-- 
James Cameron                                    (cameron@stl.dec.com)
Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

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> Kevin Stewart wrote:
> > For Linux I believe it will need to be at the beginning of
> > .bash_profile or .bash_rc... i'll have to check. 
> 
> No, you've just come across the default shell on Linux; Bash.  You can
> use other shells, such as tcsh.  Use chsh to change.  .login is
> recognised by some shells, and not by others.
I know, my mistake-- I always assume that everyone uses bash.
I like the korn shell myself... :)
and my own version of bash that I played with for a weekend.. called Kash
:)

> 
> I prefer tcsh myself, over bash.


Kevin


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I wonder if you could ask the developer if you might
post this information at CLUB100.  That way we'll all
know that we can access it when the need arises.

                                                           -=Paul=-

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Woodward-Clarke 
To: 'm100 Listserver' 
Date: Thursday, October 08, 1998 6:21 PM
Subject: PG Design Board


>G'day,
>
>I've been in contact with the previous owner of my little PGD RAM board
(and
>M100 it lives in), and he has some documentation. Yay! The board is
>apparently a "PG DESIGN 32K/64K CMOS RAM" board - and in this case it is
>"64K" - confirmed both by playing with it (see below), and by checking the
>RAM chips themselves.
>
>For anyone else that gets one of these, he sent the following code that
>activates each bank...
>
>Bank Select Program
>o Go to "BASIC".
>o Type in program as shown below
> 10 INPUT"INPUT BANK ";X:IF X<1 OR X>3 THEN 10 ELSE
>A#=0:B=VARPTR(A#):POKE B,243:POKE B+1,211:POKE B+2,(X-1)*16:POKE
>B+3,195:POKE B+4,0:POKE B+5,0:CALL B
>o Save this program as "Bank.Ba".
>
>You should put a copy of Bank.Ba in each 32K bank.
>
>Bank "1" is the standard RAM that comes on the M100, Banks "2" and "3" are
>the extended memory banks.
>
>The only "down side", is that I've not yet found a way to copy stuff
between
>RAM Banks - e.g. if I want to have a small utility program (e.g. BANK.BA)
in
>each bank, I need to key it into each bank. The only way (I've nutted out)
>involves the use of a PC as a scratch pad, and flip the file(s) back and
>forth ;') via TELCOM. Not really arduous, I guess, for all the benefits
that
>may well accrue.
>
>Unfortunately, the 3V Lithium battery that keeps the memory alive is
>measuring somewhere in the order of tens-of-millivolts ;') So a replacement
>is in order this weekend :')
>
>Most interesting to (now) have an M100 with 96K RAM ;')
>
>Thanks for everyone's assistance,
>
>Harry


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I just came into possesion of a PC-2 as part of a package of stuff. No
manual. Just the compouter and the "vinyl" case.

I'd like info on the BASIC dialect it uses. Heck, I'd like a copy of a
manual! What goes in the compartment on the bottom? Extra RAM? What's
the pinout of the connector on the end? What accessories were available
for it? I know there was an RSA-232 interface for one of the Pocket
Computers. 

-- 
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I've come into possession of a bunch of M100 stuff. A dozen "Quick
Reference" Guides (the little pocket sized booklets), several manuals,
and manuals for several programs (without the programs). And I have
several of the plastic plates that protect the display on the 100.

I have the manuals for the following ROMS (without the ROMs):
SuperROM
WriteROM
Lucid

I'm open to cash or trades.

I need battery compartment covers for an M100 and for a CCR-82. And 3
8k RAM modules.

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com	<--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com	<--last resort

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On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Paul Binns wrote:

> I wonder if you could ask the developer if you might post this
> information at CLUB100.  That way we'll all know that we can access it
> when the need arises. 

Seeing that the info was freely given away by the author, it's not a
mystery that it's in the public domain.  I have no problem with placing
that info in the Club 100's Library, Documentation area for the benefit of
all concerned. 

And speaking of docs, some of our fellow Model "T"ers have already sent
docs in for publication in the library, others I have found in the lab
that were already keyed in, so those are easily posted, and a handful of
fellow Model "T"ers have offered to key others. I'll start posting this
stuff as soon as I make the decision "how" I want to do it, i.e. in ascii
using 
 tags vs. coded in html -- both for read online and/or print,
downloadable zip files, coded in MSWord or something else, or a
combination of methods. 

Why the concern? Our online library has always been in ascii cause back in
the old days Model "T"s were used for online access and a stock Model "T" 
could only download ascii (.do) files.  The decision worked for everyone,
even when access was not via a Model "T".  Today, the world wide wierd
thing is all the rage, and access is usualy not via a Model "T", so files
may be otherwise.  Yet, even now, some use a DOS computer, most use a
Windows shell, some use a Mac, some Unix, and some use other machines and
DOSes.

Since my heart has always been in service to everyone, I must consider not
only what form the files should be in but how much effort will it take to
maintain whatever I decide.  Putting something up is a no brainer,
maintaining hundreds or thousands of those items can become a nightmare if
the initial decision causes too many steps to make one correction -- thus
the corrections do not get made. 

Example: There are over 1,000 programs and doc files in our online library
that now need to be modified cause the "need" is finally "dead" -- once
and for all.  Ha ha haaaa...! 

At last it cane be told:

Back in the early '80s I made a political decision to insert the name of
our club and contact info into each and every file.  And wow did I take
heat for that decision ... but there was a reason. It was an ego thing I
did in part to piss off the owner of the M100SIG franchise on Compuserve
-- a dick head from Texas who attended a special meeting we held in San
Francisco wherein Mark Eppley, Pres of Traveling Software was our guest
speaker -- an honor for our club.

At the meeting, this Texas Dorkhead, openly accused me, and our local
little club, of obstructing the grand designs of the CIS M100SIG -- read
that as he was so stupid and greedy that he thought our 1 line bbs run on
a Model III that crashed every week was competition for CIS -- he was
concerned only for his pocketbook.  I don't know if you know this but over
all these years he's received a fat check on the percentage of income for
time folks spent in the SIG -- he's lived as a parasite on the backs of
the SIG users.

Another angle to this story (which you are hearing for the first time in
15 years) is that the original developper/manager of the M100SIG on CIS --
a realy nice guy (I forgot his name ... Mike Nugent would know ... we'll
call him Mr X for now) who spent tons of time and effort to build the best
SIG possible -- was immediately fired by this Texas Dork cause he wanted
to still receive a income for his effort, albeit a very small one, vs. 
Dorkheads plans to reward the new SIG operator with "unlimited free time" 
vs. pay.  Wow... what a guy! 

Anyway, our friend, Mr. X came to me and asked for a starting library he
could use to build a Forum on GEnie -- who hired him immediately after he
was unjustly dumped by the greedy, uncaring, stupid Texas Dork. I gladly
gave him everything we had and vowed to undermine Texas Dorkheads position
-- which I have successfully done to the extreme benefit of thousands of
Model "T"  owners world wide for many years vs. CISes protectionsm,
dictatorlike policies -- which in fact, worked against them in the long
run.  Dorkhead and CIS management feed SIG users such a line of bull so
often as to turn them into CIS-only sheep with fierce concerns for CISers
over the feelings and needs of all Model "T"ers and the benefit of the
hobby. 

And darn it, it's just a hobby!  Please remember that micro computing was
a sharing thing, spawned from the '60s culture, developped in the '70s and
flourshed until 1982 -- the introduction of the IBM PC and yuppies, and
the stupid marketing ploys between Apple and Microsoft that "sucked" Mac
owners into become religious Mac-zellots. The '80s was a time of greed and
coldheartedness in all areas of our world. Lines were drawn and stupidity
was all the rage.  Which, by the way, has been replaced by internet greed.

Yet... through it all... Club 100 cared, still cares, and will carry the
tourch of caring through two decades of Model "T" computing, in which it's
power is vested in the unselfish sharing between individuals for a better
good in the spirit of the hobby, global peace and good will.  Yeah.  I
actually think this way... stupid, huh?

Note: Hopefully, if all goes well, Club 100 will present a very special
surprise within the next few months that will blow everyone's socks off... 
assuming we ware socks...  one never knows! :-)

Model "T"s forever... -Rick @ Club 100-


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> Since my heart has always been in service to everyone, I must consider



> Model "T"s forever... -Rick @ Club 100-

Rick you are doing a VERY FINE job to the Model 100 community.  Your
work is very appreciated even though we don't always tell you.

Kevin "a very satisfied member of Club 100"


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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Ted Van Patten wrote:

> Hi Rick, My name is TEd and I have a Model 100. My mother just retired
> and lives in Florida. She wants to write short stories and send email to
> her family, but we can't afford right now to buy an expensive computer.
> Can the Model 100 send info to me via email or my sister and we will
> download her stories on our word processors. Please let me know if it is
> worth doing and how to do it. I think I have all the cables.  Thanks TEd
> VAn Patten

Hi Ted.  Good question, and not the first time I've been asked a similar
question. I'm going to recommend that you NOT go in that direction for
her, and I do certinly understand the financial angle about the cost of an
expensive machine.

I recommend that you consider something just a year or so older and in
good working condition that is more suited to deal with internet e-mail
by a beginner, offers full word processing vs. just text editing, and also
offers a bigger, fuller screen with bigger, easier to see characters.

I would start by looking into a used, early Pentium with Windows 3.x and
Word 6.0.  With a built in high speed modem and AOL she will be able to
"easily" send and receive e-mail and attach her stories. 

With all the hype and pressure to always stay on top of new technology,
really great, yet older technology is now available for pennies.  If you
shop around you will find something that will work just fine, be
affordable, yet be new enough so as to have plenty of life.  Frankly, I'd
start by looking into estate sales and smaller, privately owned and
operated computer stores where you get to deal with the owner.

Your plan is a good one.  Just think about the "processes" your mom will
have to deal with to write, save, retrieve, log on and off a service, read
and write e-mail -- and attaching a file with a message is a very advanced
subject.  All these things she will have to learn.  You want her to feel
confortable with the various processes so she will feel empowered use the
system and services without reservation -- and without your constant
assistance.  Give her a vehicle that invites pride and independance, with
an automatic transmission, power steering and power windows.  She's past
the VW daze. :-) 

Model "T" forever ... as long as you know how to crank start them.  -Rick-


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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Kevin Slater wrote:

> Rick you are doing a VERY FINE job to the Model 100 community.  Your
> work is very appreciated even though we don't always tell you.
> 
> Kevin "a very satisfied member of Club 100"

Hey thanks, Kevin.  I sure do appreciate the kind words.  I'll keep
hacking away on this end, and encouragement does help keep the flame lit
under my butt, so thank you.

I would like to call attention to and offer my thanks to Mike Nugent for
stuff that he does in the background that all of you guys don't get to
see. Mike continues to be an important part of Model "T" computing. 

-Rick @ Club 100-



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From: Rob Sayers 
Subject: Re: Can my mom use the 100 to send her stories and communicate
  via email?

My perssonal recomedation would be to get her an older mac, An old Mac Plus,
SE, CLassic etc would be ideal for word processing and email,  A plus or se,
small (like 40-80 meg HD), 14.4 modem and all the software would cost less
than $50 if you know where to look, Ebay has some awesome deals on older
macs, hope this helps...

 
At 10:07 AM 10/10/98 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Ted Van Patten wrote:
>
>> Hi Rick, My name is TEd and I have a Model 100. My mother just retired
>> and lives in Florida. She wants to write short stories and send email to
>> her family, but we can't afford right now to buy an expensive computer.
>> Can the Model 100 send info to me via email or my sister and we will
>> download her stories on our word processors. Please let me know if it is
>> worth doing and how to do it. I think I have all the cables.  Thanks TEd
>> VAn Patten
>
>Hi Ted.  Good question, and not the first time I've been asked a similar
>question. I'm going to recommend that you NOT go in that direction for
>her, and I do certinly understand the financial angle about the cost of an
>expensive machine.
>
>I recommend that you consider something just a year or so older and in
>good working condition that is more suited to deal with internet e-mail
>by a beginner, offers full word processing vs. just text editing, and also
>offers a bigger, fuller screen with bigger, easier to see characters.
>
>I would start by looking into a used, early Pentium with Windows 3.x and
>Word 6.0.  With a built in high speed modem and AOL she will be able to
>"easily" send and receive e-mail and attach her stories. 
>
>With all the hype and pressure to always stay on top of new technology,
>really great, yet older technology is now available for pennies.  If you
>shop around you will find something that will work just fine, be
>affordable, yet be new enough so as to have plenty of life.  Frankly, I'd
>start by looking into estate sales and smaller, privately owned and
>operated computer stores where you get to deal with the owner.
>
>Your plan is a good one.  Just think about the "processes" your mom will
>have to deal with to write, save, retrieve, log on and off a service, read
>and write e-mail -- and attaching a file with a message is a very advanced
>subject.  All these things she will have to learn.  You want her to feel
>confortable with the various processes so she will feel empowered use the
>system and services without reservation -- and without your constant
>assistance.  Give her a vehicle that invites pride and independance, with
>an automatic transmission, power steering and power windows.  She's past
>the VW daze. :-) 
>
>Model "T" forever ... as long as you know how to crank start them.  -Rick-
>
>

~
Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in a cage!

-Smashing Pumpkins


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Sounds like a Y2K bug:  I don't think a "used, early Pentium with Windows
3.x and Word 6.0." is "just a year or so older" than either the Model 100
(or the mother).  ;-)  {I think that DOS is more along the same age as the
Model T--1983 is around when PC's were invented, right?}

Since I'm gonna ADVOCATE the m100 on this list, I'll suggest that the
easiest way to go with the M100 is to use a local FidoNet BBS that supports
300 baud--you can address e-mail via the Fido-Internet gateway and you're
home free for just $50 for the machine and the cost of a local call.  :D 
[Other local BBS's may also have internet e-mail capability for free.]

Alternatively, you can sign up for Compu$erve, visit the M100SIG area aka
TANDYLAPTOP, and get the automatic dial and e-mail software from their
library.  Of course, you'll need to research their message base and convert
the e-mail format to support text--this was doable a few months ago when I
was most recently a Compu$erve member.  One important thing--the autodial
and e-mail software will need to be modified, since it was written for an
even older version of the Compu$erve mail program.  Once you've done this,
then it shouldn't be a problem to find a 300 baud Compu$erve
point-of-presence and presto!

-------- 
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, Ted Van Patten wrote:

> Hi Rick, My name is TEd and I have a Model 100. My mother just retired
> and lives in Florida. She wants to write short stories and send email to
> her family, but we can't afford right now to buy an expensive computer.
> Can the Model 100 send info to me via email or my sister and we will
> download her stories on our word processors. Please let me know if it is
> worth doing and how to do it. I think I have all the cables.  Thanks TEd
> VAn Patten

Hi Ted.  Good question, and not the first time I've been asked a similar
question. I'm going to recommend that you NOT go in that direction for
her, and I do certinly understand the financial angle about the cost of an
expensive machine.

I recommend that you consider something just a year or so older and in
good working condition that is more suited to deal with internet e-mail
by a beginner, offers full word processing vs. just text editing, and also
offers a bigger, fuller screen with bigger, easier to see characters.

I would start by looking into a used, early Pentium with Windows 3.x and
Word 6.0.  With a built in high speed modem and AOL she will be able to
"easily" send and receive e-mail and attach her stories. 

With all the hype and pressure to always stay on top of new technology,
really great, yet older technology is now available for pennies.  If you
shop around you will find something that will work just fine, be
affordable, yet be new enough so as to have plenty of life.  Frankly, I'd
start by looking into estate sales and smaller, privately owned and
operated computer stores where you get to deal with the owner.

Your plan is a good one.  Just think about the "processes" your mom will
have to deal with to write, save, retrieve, log on and off a service, read
and write e-mail -- and attaching a file with a message is a very advanced
subject.  All these things she will have to learn.  You want her to feel
confortable with the various processes so she will feel empowered use the
system and services without reservation -- and without your constant
assistance.  Give her a vehicle that invites pride and independance, with
an automatic transmission, power steering and power windows.  She's past
the VW daze. :-) 

Model "T" forever ... as long as you know how to crank start them.  -Rick-


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  The Nicad battery is dead in my M100.  Anyone know where I can get a
replacement and/or tell me what the voltage is?
Thanks! 

   Rich

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Richard Crisafulli wrote:
> The Nicad battery is dead in my M100.  Anyone know where I can get a
> replacement and/or tell me what the voltage is?

Someone helped me with that in March this year.

I had written:
> Anyone know the parameters of the NiCd
> battery so that I can be ready to order a replacement?
> 
> Physical dimensions, voltage, capacity, and mounting type.

And neilsm@usa.net replied:
> The service manual says:-
> BATTERY NI-CAD 3-51T ACS-100 ZBN036102Y
> Basically 3 button cells in a pack - similar to older cordless phone
> packs.
> Neil.

-- 
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Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Richard Crisafulli wrote:

>   The Nicad battery is dead in my M100.  Anyone know where I can get a
> replacement and/or tell me what the voltage is?  Thanks! Rich

Go to the Club 100 web site and select the "Library" feature.  In the
library select the Technical Reference feature and go get the document
entitled NICAD.DOC.  All your questions will be answered...

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Anthony L. Jones wrote:

> Do you know of anyone who will repair a Tandy 3in disk drive??  Some
> years ago mine broke (it stopped working) and a friend said he could fix
> it, as it turned out all he was able to do was take it apart and NOT put
> it back togather.  Any help here?? 

I understand the problem very well, and believe that there are
fundamentals in electroics not generally known. Although I do not claim to
be an electronics tech, I have a Navy schools background as a DS tech.  I
know enough to know that I don't know enough to know ... you know?  But I
can do most of the straight forward stuff, such as testing and parts
replacing. 

The 3" (actually 3.5") Tandy Portable Disk Drive (tpdd) and drive 2
(tpdd2) break down in a number of areas yet only one item is obvious to
the naked eye, i.e. a blown fuse in the tpdd.  Everything else requires
understanding the electronics of the drive and having the tools,
experience and skills necessary to isolate out the problem and fix it.
And absolutely none of this can be done just by looking at the drive.  In
fact, even if you have the experience and skills, you will need the
"diagnostic alignment disk" offered by Brother Corp., to make the drive
work in most cases -- and they don't sell it to just anyone.

Tandy repair centers have the diag disk but I question their experience
and skills; especially today. 

There "may be" hope in some cases, however.  I recently received a Model
200 a tpdd and a tpdd2 in the shop for repair.  Upon opening the box I
quickly discovered that, just like with your friend, all the components
were dissassembled and there was a note saying that he'd taken things
appart but didn't see anything -- the ignorance is amazing!

Anyway, not only were the parts apart or "kind of" put back together, but
in the process items were either broken or put back together incorrectly. 
The Model 200 worked okay except for a cold solder joint at the ac adaptor
area, the "cardboard" insulator between the motherboard and the keyboard
had slipped away allowing the two items to short each other out, and the
cable connecting the motherboard to the LCD had pulled lose at the LCD end
-- which is burried behind a plastic cover.

The tpdd2 was dead but the tpdd had a broken solder joint where someone
didn't get the LED lined up in its hole in the front case while putting it
back together and literally pushed it's solder joint away from the circuit
board, breaking the trace.  The fuse was also blown -- which I suspect was
the only problem.  I replaced the fuse and repaired the trace with a
bridge and the drive worked okay ... after it was driven for awhile ...
sometimes they sit too long and build up dust and dirt or the "band" gets
sticky or slips.

--

Those are some stories to help you see that you might be able to fix your
drive and that the problem could be simple or hard -- but you won't know
until you get in there.

Is it worth fixing?  If the problem is obvious and it can be fixed, the
minimum charge is $47.50. If the problem is not obvious and it can't be
fixed, the charge is still $47.50 just to look. 

Options:
1) Go get another drive -- preferably one that works.
2) Use another computer as a drive (See Club 100 web site,
   "Catalog" page, "The HOT Setup") 

I've echoed your message and my lame response to the guys on our listserv. 
They may offer other ideas for you, or one of them may even offer to look
at your drive for less -- and that's okay with me.  I am way over
committed as it is and perhaps an electronics hobbiest would not only be
interested in the challenge but have the time to poke around.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
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Hi,
I have a model 102.
I recently ran across a "bargain" on a tpdd2 3.5 inch drive. I installed
dskmgr on the 102 and inserted a 720mb disk. The computer reports that the
disk is not inserted when any command is tried. Is there anything different
about the disk, or does dskmgr not talk to the pdd2 correctly.
Thanks for reading this
Rick


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Subject: Model 200

For the past few months I have been collecting Model 100's for my Wife's
classroom. This has lead me to write some software for the 100's.

I got one model 200. It has been great to write software on. The problem is
that the EPROM compiler I have needs to download the software to the 100
via the COM port.

I know how to set the COM port on the M100 and NEC 8201A. I don't know how
to set the port on the M200.

Does anyone know what the options are?
When I go into TELECOM and press STAT I get:

88N1ENN,0,10 PPS

8 BAUD RATE of 9600,
8 is the WORD LENGTH
N is the PARITY
1 is the STOP BIT
E is XON enabled
N is .......... ?
N is .......... ?
0 is .......... ?
10 PPS is the dial Pulse Per Second.


When You think as fast as Lightning,
Your bound to make spelling errors.

Lightning Bolt
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, eric wrote:

> I know how to set the COM port on the M100 and NEC 8201A. I don't know
> how to set the port on the M200.  Does anyone know what the options are? 

               Club 100 is your #1 Model "T" computing resource.
                                  -presents-
                   Model 200 TELCOM Communications Settings

The stock setting are: M7E1ENN,O,10pps

Connector

 M = Built-In 300 Baud Modem
 1 = RS-232 Port at    75 baud
 2 = RS-232 Port at   110 baud
 3 = RS-232 Port at   300 baud
 4 = RS-232 Port at   600 baud
 5 = RS-232 Port at  1200 baud
 6 = RS-232 Port at  2400 baud
 7 = RS-232 Port at  4800 baud
 8 = RS-232 Port at  9600 baud
 9 = RS-232 Port at 19200 baud

Word Length

 6 = 6 bits
 7 = 7 bits
 8 = 8 bits

Parity

 I = ignore parity
 O = odd parity
 E = even parity
 N = no parity

Stop Bit

 1 = stop bit
 2 = stop bits

Stop/Start

 E = Enable Start/Stop Characters
 D = Disable Start/Stop Characters

Contorl Code

 N = Normal
 I = Ignore all control characters except for carriage return and line
feed.

Line Feed

 N = Carriage Return
 I = Carriage Return/Line Feed

Originate/Answer

 O = Originate
 A = Answer

Dial Type

 10 pps - slow pulse dialing
 20 pps - fast pulse dialing
  T Tone Dialing

Richard Hanson, Proprietor      thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Aaron and Terri wrote:

> With the big interest in the year 2000 coming up I thought I'd see what
> happens to the beloved T100 when it hits 1999 on Dec 31 at midnight. 
> Well it blows up a bit and goes back to 1900.  It can't be set to
> anything higher as the string sequence date$="1/1/2000" is not accepted,
> only two digits are allowed for the year.  Who would know how to fix
> this hardware problem?  Is it possible that a ml patch could be written
> and loaded during the powerup phase?  Thanks, Aaron R.

I'm echoing your message to our listserv cause there has been a ton of
discussion on this subject with little to no solution.  But then, it might
not need a solution if the date string is not used for anything important.

-Rick @ Club 100-


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Tandy Model 100 System

Includes the following:

Hardware:
Model 100 w/32K expanded memory
Tandy 3 1/2" external disk drive
Tandy CCR-82 computer cassette recorder
Tandy TRP-100 AC/DC thermal or ribbon printer w/external power pack,
    3 ribbon cartridges and 15 ribbon refills
Barcode wand for the Model 100
External modem/telephone cable
2 external power packs

Firmware:
Multiplan 100
Interactive solutions

Cassette software w/documentation:
Barcode Reader
Barcode Writer
Barcode Drivers

Cassette software w/no documentation:
Remote Disk
Business Finance

Includes all hardware documentation.  Everything is virtually unused.

$160.00 shipped (Firm)


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In mail, thedock@value.net writes:

> On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Aaron and Terri wrote:
>
>> With the big interest in the year 2000 coming up I thought I'd see what
>> happens to the beloved T100 when it hits 1999 on Dec 31 at midnight. 
>> Well it blows up a bit and goes back to 1900.  It can't be set to
>> anything higher as the string sequence date$="1/1/2000" is not accepted,
>> only two digits are allowed for the year.  Who would know how to fix
>> this hardware problem?  Is it possible that a ml patch could be written
>> and loaded during the powerup phase?  Thanks, Aaron R.
>
> I'm echoing your message to our listserv cause there has been a ton of
> discussion on this subject with little to no solution.  But then, it might
> not need a solution if the date string is not used for anything important.

The *only* place the "19" apperars is on the main menu. Big deal. DATE$
only stores the last 2 digits so there's no problem there. 

So the sum total of the Y2K problems for the 100 & 102 are that 19 on
the main menu. Some *programs* may do weird things with their data
files, but it's not a problem with the 100 itself. 

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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> On Sat, 17 Oct 1998, Aaron and Terri wrote:
> 
> > anything higher as the string sequence date$="1/1/2000" is not accepted,
> > only two digits are allowed for the year.  Who would know how to fix
> > this hardware problem?  Is it possible that a ml patch could be written
> > and loaded during the powerup phase?  Thanks, Aaron R.

Aaron, you're only partially right by declaring it a harware problem. Y2K
is rarely a purely hardware issue.  In fact, the symptom that you
observed is a software issue, not a hardware issue. Several things to
consider:

The only place that you will see the "19" is in MENU. No BASIC function
returns the century.  Thus, the problem with the "19" is purely cosmetic. 
The obvious first solution is to burn a new PROM with a "20" rather than a
"19".  The method that you suggest, adding code to an unaltered unit to
manage the MENU century value as it is written to the screen, is more
elusive.  Several have tried. None to my knowledge have worked perfectly.
You are more than welcome to try.

The M100/T102/NEC/etc. do not handle any leap year, let alone the one in
2000 that many designs do not handle properly. Thus, the design fails the
leap year condition of a Y2K analysis. This is a second issue, one that was
a design choice of a RTC w/o leap year support.

As Leonard explained, the DATE$ code returns only a 2-digit year. No "19"
nor "20" comes back for the century. Thus, DATE$ will operate correctly,
returning "99" for 1999 and "00" for 2000. It is up to your application to
know what century within which the data properly exists. An easy way to
patch existing BASIC and ML code is to compare the DATE$ year segment to
some oldest year in history that you want to work with.  For example, say
we want any number less than 60 to be 2000 through 2059 (DATE$ year
00-59). We would compare the two digit DATE$ return to our bottom year and
add the appropriate century value, either 1900 or 2000.  Although this is
very much a kludge, this type of a code fix will be running in many
systems.  It is a cheap way to fix the date problem in systems that
require only a 100 year range of valid years and can accept a reasonable
start year before which dates are undefined. Try it.

I am an EE working on my firm's embedded systems Y2K task force (a
whopping three people and I'm the only EE -- grrr). I will share with you
some criteria for declaring a system compliant:

1.  4-digit years returned by date functions and reporting code
    with no fixed century value.
2.  Design successfully transitions from 12/31/1999 23:59:59 to
    01/01/2000 00:00:00.
3.  Design successfully recognizes 2000 as a leap year and
    transitions from 02/28/2000 to 02/29/2000 and then to
    03/01/2000.
4.  Design successfully transitions from 12/30/2000 to 12/31/2000
    and then to 01/01/2001 (the year 2000 has 366 days not 365
    days and designs that use days traversed through a year may
    have a problem with day #366).
5.  There are additional criteria for GPS systems which have a
    problem date in Aug 2000 (I think -- I do not remember the
    specifics since I do not have any GPS units or GPS related
    systems to handle).
6.  Date setting functions may be set to any valid year 2000 date
    and time.
7.  Date calculation functions work properly with respect to
    items 1-6.
8.  Hardware design has no hard-wired issues with respect to
    date values rolling over with respect to the above (I/O
    ports wired to circuits usign the data line values that
    will react badly to any of the above).

etc.

Given the above, the M100/T102/NEC/etc design fails tha first few criteria
due to the RTC chip used, the 2-digit handling in BASIC, and the fixed
"19" in MENU. From a pratical standpoint, code that uses the technique I
mentioned to handle dates will be OK with 2-digit years. The MENU "19" is
purely cosmetic -- ignore it. The design handles no leap year properly, so
if you're used to this just reset the clock on that leap day.

The design has no clue what century it is -- ever. DATE$ returns 00-99
without regard for the century. Unless an application tracks its own value
for the century, there is no way to tell what century it is.

The Y2K issue is a problem on the M100/T102/NEC/etc. mostly due to poorly
written application programs. A program without some protection for the
DATE$ transition from 99 to 00 will return bad results or crash. If you
have a program that works with dates, you should check it out and perhaps
patch or rewrite the affected portion of the code.

Just call me wordy :) -- but I work on this problem professionally and
know where to work around something and when to spend a lot of time and
trouble fixing the problem. The issues in the design are much deeper than
a little "19" on the MENU screen. The design will be reliable and useful
well into the next millenium.

There are, of course, many opinions in the M100 community. Some will
probably disagree and soldier on to fix one or more of the above issues.

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Based on some of the Y2k threads we've read, someone asked me for the leap
year algorithm. For the benefit of all:

Leap years occur every fourth year (three years of 365 days followed by
one year with a 366th day occurring as Feb 29). A century year (i.e. 1900,
2000, 2100, etc) is not a leap year unless it is divisible by 400.

Reference: http://astro.nmsu.edu/~lhuber/leapyear.html

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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Anthony L. Jones wrote:

> I remember seeing a letter in an old issue of PC from a reader who
> mentioned something about adapting his M100 to run on NiCad rechargable
> batteries.  I have a M200 any info on this, can this be done, if so is
> it something I can do and would it be worth it? 

I've seen a number of nicad adaptions over the years.  Most work okay on
the 100 and 102 but the 200 is very sensitive to voltage.  With alcalines
the drop off is gradual but nicads drop suddenly.  There are other battery
options, these days.  I recommend that you explore other options for your
Model 200.  And as for "is it worth it" I can't answer that one.  It all
depends on what is important to you.	-Rick @ Club 100-


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Hmm.  Only two digits for the date field.  Maybe I should run my Tandy
102's with the year set to my age?  That way I am less likely to have to
worry about it.  ;-)

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Rick wrote:
> I've seen a number of nicad adaptions over the years. [...] as for "is
> it worth it" I can't answer that one.  It all depends on what is
> important to you.

NiCd batteries are not useful for standby applications unless they are
kept trickle charged.

Examine the use of your 100/102/200 laptop.  Compare the cost of the
batteries and an appropriate charger.  Assume 14 hours for a set of
Alkalines, and, say, 8 hours for a set of NiCd's.  You can get pretty
much only one use out of Alkalines, but NiCd's are usually rated for
about 1000 charges.

If you use your machine daily for more than two hours, I'd recommend
NiCd's, unless you are stationery, in which case use a power supply.

If you use your machine less than ten minutes each day, on average, I'd
recommend sticking with non-rechargables.

Your power options are;
	1) buy and consume zinc carbon cells,
	2) buy and consume alkaline cells,
	3) buy and recharge NiCd cells,
	4) buy and recharge NiMh cells,
	5) fit an external D cell "cushion" tube,
	6) always use external DC plugpack/wallwart,
	7) carry around a 6V lantern battery,
	8) fit an internal AA NiCd pack.


Advantages and Disadvantages

1) buy and consume AA zinc carbon cells,
	+ easy,
	+ no fiddling, just chuck them out,
	+ no alterations required,
	- don't last as long as alkaline,
	- long run cost highest,
	- may leak if left in machine for months,

2) buy and consume AA alkaline cells,
	+ easy,
	+ no fiddling,
	+ no alterations required,
	+ best run time for AA cells, excluding lithium,
	- long run cost second highest,

3) buy and recharge AA NiCd cells,
	+ lower cost than alkaline,
	+ feels green,
	+ less shopping,
	+ no alterations required,
	- need to buy a charger,
	- need to occasionally discharge before charging,
	- machine may not use all of capacity before shutting down,
	- lose their charge over time if not kept trickle charged,
	- cannot charge while using,

4) buy and recharge AA NiMh cells,
	+ feels greener; no cadnium,
	+ less shopping,
	+ no alterations required,
	+ no need to discharge before charging,
	- need to buy a charger,
	- lose their charge over time faster than NiCd's,
	- machine may not use all of capacity before shutting down,
	- cannot charge while using,

5) fit an external D cell "cushion" tube,
	+ lasts heaps longer than AA cells,
	+ far higher run-time per dollar than AA's,
	+ elevates rear of keyboard,
	- elevates rear of keyboard,
	- increases mass of unit,
	- still have to shop, just not much,
	
6) always use external DC plugpack/wallwart,
	+ cheapest,
	- not available on the run or in bed,
	- the typical DC cables sometimes do not last long,

7) carry around a 6V lantern battery on a lead,
	+ lasts longer than that D cell cushion,
	+ good weapon for lobbing at MS-DOS junkies,
	- heavy, bulky,
	- have to make your own cabling,

8) fit an internal AA NiCd five-cell pack.
	+ machine uses more of available capacity due to extra cell,
	+ no repeat use of the battery compartment,
	+ less wear and tear on battery terminals,
	+ can charge by connecting external DC supply,
	+ can charge while using,
	- requires work to install,
	- voids warranty,
	- can't just revert to another set of AA's,
	- can cause problems if someone later installs Alkalines,

Hmm.  Then there's a solar panel, a wind turbine, a microhydro unit
attached to a washbasin tap, ... why not let's go for a fuel cell
instead?  ;-)
 
I know about so-called rechargable alkalines, but I don't consider them
well tested yet and their re-use is severely limited.

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When I used my M100 several years ago in Italy, I used a 6v lantern 
battery in my office since outlets were very rare. I made a "jumper" 
cable that pluged into the 6v jack on the M100 and had two alligator 
clips on the other end. All I needed was some kind of six volt 
battery/power supply near by and I was in business.


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Regarding batteries for the M200.  I use lithium batteries . They are 
expensive, however they last about ten times as long.  The 
lithium batteries have a full 1.5 volt charge. The little disk 
drive has been running forever, it seems, on one set of lithium 
batteries.  Just a thought

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>From time to time I get to wondering where are the pioneers who aren't
on this list. Maybe they are not on this planet and maybe this is way
off topic BUT

Two names spring to mind:-
1. WARD CHRISTENSEN whose Christensen protocol got the whole
communications thing going ( correct me if wrong ) 
2. BOB MONTGOMERY who used to perform the most amazing programming feats
on a Northstar with ONE floppy drive.

Ideas, anyone ?

John Dent.

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Ward Christensen has popped in and out of comp.sys.tandy in the past.
I seem to recall seeing him on BIX, also.




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>m100@list.30below.com

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> 
> >From time to time I get to wondering where are the pioneers who aren't
> on this list. Maybe they are not on this planet and maybe this is way
> off topic BUT
> 
> Two names spring to mind:-
> 1. WARD CHRISTENSEN whose Christensen protocol got the whole
> communications thing going ( correct me if wrong ) 
> 2. BOB MONTGOMERY who used to perform the most amazing programming feats
> on a Northstar with ONE floppy drive.
> 
> Ideas, anyone ?
> 
> John Dent.
> 

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Bought a Radio Shack Printer from the olden days.  I am not where it is,
but I believe it is a DMP-135  or  DMP-137.   It does have NLQ for four
fonts (none of which I can access) and other character spacings (Ditto).

Question for the assembled wise persons:   Why is it printing thusly:

N o w   i s  t h e  t i m e  f o r  a l l      etc.  That is, a space
between each letter.

Looks like a handshaking error to me, but I would really like to have
conventional typing!

How do I solve it?

Your reflections?

Tom   AD6N


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On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Henry F. Monton wrote:

> Rick, I have a P120 with Win95.  I have a Model 100 we still use for
> travel games (built the 12Vdc adapter).  What do I need to store and
> retrieve files from the P120?  My M100 has a Super ROM I bought from
> Tri-Mike Network East that I don't use very much.  I currently use the
> last version of DSKMGR published in CIS' M100 SIG.  What do I need to
> buy? 

Since you use DEKMGR, meaning that you already know how to use it, all you
need is the correct cable and desklink.  I supply cables and disklink is
free.  (See Club 100 web site, Catalog, "The HOT Setup" for details)

> Finally, will my M100 bought in 1984 during a Radio Shack close-out ever
> quit??

One day it may but it is amazing how many of these Model 100s keep going
and going and going.

> Also, I have a Tandy PC-1 pocket computer, with printer adapter, which I
> still use daily at work...are you aware of any support for the PC-1?? 

I don't know of any support group for the PC-1, per say, but the
news:comp.sys.tandy newsgroup may have some folks who can help. I've also
echoed your message to our listserv ... I highly receommend that you sign
up so you will get the feedback (see Club 100 "ListServ" feature)

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
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Hi everyone, Long time no write. :)
I just got an M100 with 24k, carrying case, vinyl soft case, but no modem
or cassette cables.  Which is ok, because i got it for free!!  I got all
the docs(a fat manual, quick referance guide, and quick applications
reference guide), too.
One thing though, I downloaded TEENY.BA into her and made TEENY.CO (so i
could use DESKLINK until i get TS-DOS). When I try to run TEENY.CO,
however, she gives me an out of memory error. Do i need 32k?

Thanks,
James


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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, James Mondor wrote:

> Hi everyone, Long time no write. :)  I just got an M100 with 24k,
> carrying case, vinyl soft case, but no modem or cassette cables.  Which
> is ok, because i got it for free!!  I got all the docs(a fat manual,
> quick referance guide, and quick applications reference guide), too. 

All right!  Good price!  Well done, James.  Free Model 100s are all over
the place.  You just have to be in the right place at the right time. 
Just out of curiosity, where did you find it? 

> One thing though, I downloaded TEENY.BA into her and made TEENY.CO (so i
> could use DESKLINK until i get TS-DOS). When I try to run TEENY.CO,
> however, she gives me an out of memory error. Do i need 32k? 

Bunner!  That should not happen.  A 24K Model 100 will have 21xxx bytes
available.  TEENY is teeny!  Unless you have something else in that
machine, there's got to be room for this little file to run.  If you still
get the error message, dump RAM with a cold start and do everything again.
Keep us posted.  -Rick @ Club 100-


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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, James Mondor wrote:

[snip]
> however, she gives me an out of memory error.

Check your RAM.  There are two RAM checking programs in the Club 100
library.  Go to the web site ,
select "Library," then select "Utilities." 

The files are RAMCHK.BA and RAMTST.BA

Remember, regardless of the filename extensions listed, all files are in
ASCII and thus are .DO files.

>  Do i need 32k?

If you do, your best bet is to find another Model 100 and pull an 8K
modual from that one for use in the one you have.  It's easy but if you
have any questions about how to do that, just ask.  I will upload
instructions at that time.

-Rick @ Club 100-


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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:00:00 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:

>I just got an M100 with 24k, carrying case, vinyl soft case, but no =
modem
>or cassette cables.  Which is ok, because i got it for free!!  I got all
>the docs(a fat manual, quick referance guide, and quick applications
>reference guide), too.
Congratulations!  Price was certainly right ;-)

>One thing though, I downloaded TEENY.BA into her and made TEENY.CO (so i
>could use DESKLINK until i get TS-DOS). When I try to run TEENY.CO,
>however, she gives me an out of memory error. Do i need 32k?

Go into BASIC and enter

	 	LOADM "TEENY.CO"

You'll get your OM Error, but you'll also see a set of three numbers,
the first one being the "TOP:" address where the program loads for
execution.  Make a note of this number.  The program can't load and
run unless you set HIMEM at (or below) this address.

You set HIMEM by entering

		CLEAR 256, xxxxx

where the 'xxxxx' is the "TOP:" address you noted just a second ago.
You can verify that you got it right by entering

		PRINT HIMEM

and, if all seems OK, you can

		LOADM "TEENY.CO"

again -- presumably without an error.  Once all the above checks out,
go back to the MENU and run TEENY.CO from there.=20

A final note:  you "lose" some file-space memory by keeping HIMEM set
where TEENY (or any other machine language program) needs it.  You can
get that memory back with the BASIC command

		CLEAR 256, MAXRAM

but remember that you'll have re-set HIMEM to xxxxx once more before
you can run TEENY again.  If you have too much memory consumed by
files, the machine won't let you put HIMEM where it needs to be, and
you'll have to delete some stuff to make the space available.

Regards,
   Van


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Van,

a squillion thanks!

I was in a similar (same!) situation, but to snowed with "other hassles"
until today to try and compose a message asking for 'help' - only to find
(a) James had asked the question and (b) you had supplied the answer

One much appreciative Harry

> ----------
> From: 	vanalst@ix.netcom.com[SMTP:vanalst@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: 	Friday, 23 October 1998 12:49
> To: 	James Mondor; m100@list.30below.com
> Subject: 	Re: Just acquired M100
> 
> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:00:00 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
> 
> >I just got an M100 with 24k, carrying case, vinyl soft case, but no modem
> >or cassette cables.  Which is ok, because i got it for free!!  I got all
> >the docs(a fat manual, quick referance guide, and quick applications
> >reference guide), too.
> Congratulations!  Price was certainly right ;-)
> 
> >One thing though, I downloaded TEENY.BA into her and made TEENY.CO (so i
> >could use DESKLINK until i get TS-DOS). When I try to run TEENY.CO,
> >however, she gives me an out of memory error. Do i need 32k?
> 
> Go into BASIC and enter
> 
> 	 	LOADM "TEENY.CO"
> 
> You'll get your OM Error, but you'll also see a set of three numbers,
> the first one being the "TOP:" address where the program loads for
> execution.  Make a note of this number.  The program can't load and
> run unless you set HIMEM at (or below) this address.
> 
> You set HIMEM by entering
> 
> 		CLEAR 256, xxxxx
> 
> where the 'xxxxx' is the "TOP:" address you noted just a second ago.
> You can verify that you got it right by entering
> 
> 		PRINT HIMEM
> 
> and, if all seems OK, you can
> 
> 		LOADM "TEENY.CO"
> 
> again -- presumably without an error.  Once all the above checks out,
> go back to the MENU and run TEENY.CO from there. 
> 
> A final note:  you "lose" some file-space memory by keeping HIMEM set
> where TEENY (or any other machine language program) needs it.  You can
> get that memory back with the BASIC command
> 
> 		CLEAR 256, MAXRAM
> 
> but remember that you'll have re-set HIMEM to xxxxx once more before
> you can run TEENY again.  If you have too much memory consumed by
> files, the machine won't let you put HIMEM where it needs to be, and
> you'll have to delete some stuff to make the space available.
> 
> Regards,
>    Van
> 

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Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote:
> I was in a similar (same!) situation, but to snowed with "other
> hassles" until today [...]

Sheesh.  Harry understates so well!  His four year old son had heart
surgery the other day!  Doing fantastically, I hear.

To think that Harry got into M100's 'cause of me.  ;-)

[* James beams proudly ...]

-- 
James Cameron                                    (cameron@stl.dec.com)
Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800

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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 thedock@value.net wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, James Mondor wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone, Long time no write. :)  I just got an M100 with 24k,
> > carrying case, vinyl soft case, but no modem or cassette cables.  Which
> > is ok, because i got it for free!!  I got all the docs(a fat manual,
> > quick referance guide, and quick applications reference guide), too. 
> 
> All right!  Good price!  Well done, James.  Free Model 100s are all over
> the place.  You just have to be in the right place at the right time. 
> Just out of curiosity, where did you find it? 

I got it from an our school's ISS guy, I do lots of work for the school
district for free.  He didn't use it anymore and I mentioned I was
planning on getting one.

> 
> > One thing though, I downloaded TEENY.BA into her and made TEENY.CO (so i
> > could use DESKLINK until i get TS-DOS). When I try to run TEENY.CO,
> > however, she gives me an out of memory error. Do i need 32k? 
> 
> Bunner!  That should not happen.  A 24K Model 100 will have 21xxx bytes
> available.  TEENY is teeny!  Unless you have something else in that
> machine, there's got to be room for this little file to run.  If you still
> get the error message, dump RAM with a cold start and do everything again.
> Keep us posted.  -Rick @ Club 100-
> 
Will do.

James
james225@cyberspace.org


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I have in my posession all of the Tandy Service Technical Bulletins for
these two laptops.  It's not much.  Here's a short index:

Model 100
1) RS-232 problems with DC-1200 modem and Model 12
2) Battery replacement on the Model 100 MLB.
3) Different versions of ROM's.

Model 200

1) Memory upgrade and checkout proceedure (Allows p to 72k of RAM to be
installed)
2) NiCad Upgrade Kit (Allows use of NiCad batteries as opposed to
alkaline.. the right way)
3) Keeping the computer from locking up after AC power is lost with the
Ni-Cad upgrade installed.

All of these came from the archives of my employer, Tandy Service.
If you want them, let me know.  I may send them to Club 100 to post and
utilize as they see fit..

-Scott


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I'll take'em, Scott.  If they are on paper I'll have them keyed in for our
documents area, but if they are already keyed, all the better.  Either
way, this kind of info is exactly what folks want, and what should be
available in the library.  Thanks, my friend.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html


On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Scott Roberts wrote:

> I have in my posession all of the Tandy Service Technical Bulletins for
> these two laptops.  It's not much.  Here's a short index:
> 
> Model 100
> 1) RS-232 problems with DC-1200 modem and Model 12
> 2) Battery replacement on the Model 100 MLB.
> 3) Different versions of ROM's.
> 
> Model 200
> 
> 1) Memory upgrade and checkout proceedure (Allows p to 72k of RAM to be
> installed)
> 2) NiCad Upgrade Kit (Allows use of NiCad batteries as opposed to
> alkaline.. the right way)
> 3) Keeping the computer from locking up after AC power is lost with the
> Ni-Cad upgrade installed.
> 
> All of these came from the archives of my employer, Tandy Service.
> If you want them, let me know.  I may send them to Club 100 to post and
> utilize as they see fit..
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 


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> Bought a Radio Shack Printer from the olden days.  I am not where it
> is, but I believe it is a DMP-135  or  DMP-137.   It does have NLQ
> for four fonts (none of which I can access) and other character
> spacings (Ditto).
>
> Question for the assembled wise persons:   Why is it printing thusly:
>
> N o w   i s  t h e  t i m e  f o r  a l l      etc.  That is, a space
> between each letter.
>
> Tom   AD6N
===========================
Per the NATIVE manual, the Tandy DMP135 and DMP137 printers have DIP switch
#1 ON for Epson emulation. Turn it ON Tom. Elsewise you get IBM emulation.
Below the ASCII content of two files that are included on the NATIVE
diskette: PASTEX.DO and PRTEST.DO.

File PASTEX.DO is a collection of ESCape sequences for Epson emulations --
the idea being that you PASTE an ESCape sequence into your own .DO file
where you need some printer feature.  However in using PASTEX.DO itself,
the order of the ESCape sequences exercises all printer features (so you
can discover which ones your printer has) in a way that LEAVES THE PRINTER
IN A DEFINED STATE. This defined state is what you're looking for Tom.

File PRTEST.DO tests the complete symbol set. It's handy for all devices:
printers, screens of IBM PCs, modems, etc.  By sending PRTEST.DO to any
printer, you see what symbol emerges for every "printable" character code
(ASCII and ANSI).

Do the steps below Tom. Steps 6A to 6I only have to do with getting the
piece of PASTEX.DO that you need into a file by itself.  Steps 10 to 14 may
be strange to you but they are how you send a file AS-IS to the printer
port. You're familiar with the use of the PRINT key -- it differs in that
the laptop substitutes "printables" for any control characters (ESCape,
FormFeed, etc.) it finds in a file.

1.  Power OFF the printer.
2.  Attach the printer cable.
3.  Find DIP switch #1 and set it to its ON position. Keep power OFF.
4.  Power ON the Tandy laptop.
5.  Get content of PASTEX.DO into laptop as a file (e.g., named X.DO).

6A. From laptop menu, select the file (X.DO) -- this invokes TEXT.
6B. Press and hold CTRL then tap the Z key -- goes to end of file.
6C. If cursor is at an empty line, then press DEL key one time.
    Otherwise do nothing.

    At this point the cursor is at the end of the bottom line and the
    laptop screen shows this line as:
    ^[!^P^[HEnd of PASTEX.DO^G^L

6D. Do this 5 times: press and hold CTRL then tap the E key.
6E. Press and hold CTRL then tap the Q key.
6F. Press F7 -- a selection begins.
6G. Press and hold CTRL then tap the W key -- goes to top of file.
6H. Press F6 -- cuts away selection.

    At this point the cursor is at the front of the top line and the
    laptop screen shows this line as:
    5 cpi Bold/Emph      _ESC_!_8_

6I. Press F8 -- the laptop menu reappears.


7.  Press the RESET switch at back edge of laptop -- LPT port cleared.
8.  Power ON the printer -- Epson emulation is engaged now.
9.  Make the printer READY.
10. From laptop menu, select the file (X.DO) -- this invokes TEXT.
11. Press F3 -- the prompt Save to: appears.
12. Type these four characters  LPT:
13. Press ENTER -- the printer gets exercised now.
14. Press F8 -- LPT port closes and the laptop menu reappears.

There now is one page fed out of the printer. It has three printed lines.
The last line shows End of PASTEX.DO and it should be printed the way you
want it to look Tom -- 10 characters per inch, plain vanilla typeface.

For your information, you can order NATIVE from Club 100 - you get the
manual and software that injects laptop symbol shapes into printers that
allow "user defined" character shapes. Many dot-matrix and laser printers
allow this. The Tandy DMP135 allows this for the Base character codes 32 to
126. The Tandy DMP137 allows this for the Base character codes 32 to 126
and the Extended character codes 128 to 255.

Ron   WD8PNL

=========================== PASTEX.DO ===========================
CODE you COPY/PASTE  CODE in ASCII form.   Whole CODE is shown in Decimal
into a TEXT file.    ESC_7_ CODEs _ESC_6   3-digit/byte strung out form.
ACTION DESCRIPTION.  are shown as &CODE^   1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th0th


7
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6
NATIVE off          &ESC_%_0_NUL^     027055027037048128027054

7
%1
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6
NATIVE on      &ESC_%_1_NUL^     027055027037049128027054

7
%0
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4
6
Italic on NATIVE off &ESC_%_0_NUL_ESC_4^   027055027037048128027052027054

7
%1
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5
6
Italic off NATIVE on &ESC_%_1_NUL_ESC_5^   027055027037049128027053027054

7
&CODE^ Preamble &_   _ESC_7_          027055

6
&CODE^ Postamble _^  _ESC_6_          027054

s1
Half-speed          _ESC_s_1_         027115049

s0
Full-speed          _ESC_s_0_         027115048

U1
1-way print         _ESC_U_1_         027085049

U0
2-way print         _ESC_U_0_         027085128

<
1-way print 1-line   _ESC_<_          027060

3

Join lines vert.     _ESC_3_CAN_      027051024

0
8 lines/inch vert.   _ESC_0_          027048

2
6 lines/inch vert.   _ESC_2_          027050

M
12 cpi horiz. pitch  _ESC_M_          027077

P
10 cpi horiz. pitch  _ESC_P_          027080


Narrow pitch start   _SI_             015


Narrow pitch stop    _DC2_         018

W1
Wide pitch start     _ESC_W_1_              027087049

W0
Wide pitch stop          _ESC_W_0_          027087048


Wide pitch 1-line    _SO_             014

-1
Underline start          _ESC_-_1_          027045049

-0
Underline stop      _ESC_-_0_         027045048

E
Emphasize start          _ESC_E_            027069

F
Emphasize stop      _ESC_F_           027070

G
Bold start          _ESC_G_           027071

H
Bold stop      _ESC_H_           027072

!

17 cpi              _ESC_!_EOT_       027033004

!

17 cpi Bold         _ESC_!_DC4_        027033020

!

12 cpi              _ESC_!_SOH_       027033001

!

F
12 cpi Bold         _ESC_!_EM_ESC_F_        027033025027070

!

H
12 cpi Emph         _ESC_!_EM_ESC_H_        027033025027072

!

12 cpi Bold/Emph     _ESC_!_EM_             027033025

!

H
10 cpi              _ESC_!_DLE_ESC_H_       027033016027072

!

10 cpi Bold         _ESC_!_DLE_        027033016

!

H
10 cpi Emph         _ESC_!_CAN_ESC_H_       027033024027072

!

10 cpi Bold/Emph     _ESC_!_CAN_      027033024

!$
8.5 cpi             _ESC_!_$_         027033036

!4
8.5 cpi Bold        _ESC_!_4_         027033052

!!
6 cpi               _ESC_!_!_         027033033

!1
6 cpi Bold          _ESC_!_1_         027033049

!)
6 cpi Emph          _ESC_!_)_         027033041

!9
6 cpi Bold/Emph          _ESC_!_9_          027033057

!
5 cpi               _ESC_!_SP_              027033032

!0
5 cpi Bold          _ESC_!_0_         027033048

!(
5 cpi Emph          _ESC_!_(_         027033040

!8
5 cpi Bold/Emph          _ESC_!_8_          027033056

NATIVE
!4 by 
!1Ron Wiesen Technical Products (c)1993

!

HEnd of PASTEX.DO
========================== End of file ==========================
=========================== PRTEST.DO ===========================
           Printer Test of Character Codes 32 to 126 and 128 to 255

                                                                0 0 0 0 0 0
 0 0
                                                                3 3 3 3 3 3
 3 3
                                                                2 3 4 5 6 7
 8 9
                                                                  ! " # $ %
 & '

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
 0 0
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7
 7 7
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
 8 9
( ) * + , - . / 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ? @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M
 N O

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
 1 1
8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
 1 1
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
 8 9
P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ ` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u
 v w

1 1 1 1 1 1 1   1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
 5 5
0 1 2 3 4 5 6   8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
 8 9
x y z { | } ~   
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ~ ? ? ? ? ?
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1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1=
 1 1
 1 1
6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 9 9 9 9 9 9=
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 9 9
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5=
 6 7
 8 9
=A0 =A1 =A2 =A3 =A4 =A5 =A6 =A7 =A8 =A9 =AA =AB =AC =AD =AE =AF =B0 =B1=
 =B2 =B3 =B4 =B5 =B6 =B7 =B8 =B9 =BA =BB =BC =BD =BE =BF =C0 =C1 =C2 =C3=
 =C4 =C5
 =C6 =C7

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2=
 2 2
 2 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3=
 3 3
 3 3
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5=
 6 7
 8 9
=C8 =C9 =CA =CB =CC =CD =CE =CF =D0 =D1 =D2 =D3 =D4 =D5 =D6 =D7 =D8 =D9=
 =DA =DB =DC =DD =DE =DF =E0 =E1 =E2 =E3 =E4 =E5 =E6 =E7 =E8 =E9 =EA =EB=
 =EC =ED
 =EE =EF

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5
=F0 =F1 =F2 =F3 =F4 =F5 =F6 =F7 =F8 =F9 =FA =FB =FC =FD =FE =FF
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D End of file =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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Subject: Re: Printers - how to drive?
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For folks with E-mail that handles file attachments, here are files
PASTEX.DO and PRTEST.DO.
(See attached file: Pastex.do)(See attached file: Prtest.do)

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> Hi everyone, Long time no write. :)
> I just got an M100 with 24k, carrying case, vinyl soft case,
> but no modem or cassette cables.  Which is ok, because i got
> it for free!!  I got all the docs(a fat manual, quick referance
> guide, and quick applications reference guide), too.
> One thing though, I downloaded TEENY.BA into her and made
> TEENY.CO (so i could use DESKLINK until i get TS-DOS). When I
> try to run TEENY.CO, however, she gives me an out of memory
> error. Do i need 32k?
>
> Thanks,
> James

You're OK James. You just need to set the point of HIMEM. Do this
immediately after you've created file TEENY.CO in the laptop.

Type the following and then press Enter.
?HIMEM:CALL9643

The point of HIMEM is shown on the laptop screen and below it the Top,
End, and Exe addresses of TEENY.CO are listed. Note the point of HIMEM
and the Top address of TEENY.CO. If the point of HIMEM is equal to or
less than the Top address of TEENY.CO, then TEENY.CO can be invoked.

Otherwise, you must set the point of HIMEM (equal to or less than the
Top) before TEENY.CO can be invoked. The CLEAR statement of BASIC is
what sets the point of HIMEM. The syntax of this statement is
CLEARss,hm where:
     ss,   sets String Storage size,
        hm sets the point of HIMEM.

If the point of HIMEM needs set for TEENY.CO, you may set it now while
you can see the Top address of TEENY.CO on the laptop screen. To set
it now, at the laptop type CLEAR0,hm and press Enter. Use the Top
address of TEENY.CO for hm.



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Hi, all!

Just a note to let y'all know I've put some new files up on the Tri-Mike 
Network East site. They're not linked on the main page, so you'll need to 
use this URL: .

Recently, someone here needed the MENU.BA program for the PG Design RAM 
expansion module. I've posted the latest known version, which should 
handle the 1-, 3-, 5- and 7-bank expansions. Due to the way MENU.BA is 
written, it can't be posted in ASCII form, so I've posted it (and its 
companion program INVISO.BA) as raw binary .BA images. This means they 
must be downloaded to your desktop computer as binary files and then 
transferred to your Tandy laptop using a program such as LapDOS or 
MacDOS. (Club 100's DeskLink should probably work as well.) And because 
MENU.BA uses machine language embedded in a .BA program, Tandy's 
FLOPPY.CO (for Portable Disk Drive) and FLOPPY (for Portable Disk Drive 
2) must be modified to prevent crashes. So I've also included patches for 
FLOPPY and FLOPPY.CO for the Tandy Model 100 and 102. (Haven't yet found 
my Tandy 200 patches -- stay tuned.)

In additon, the Mac directory includes the long-discontinued "MacDOS" 
file transfer program. It's the only Mac <-> Model "T" software that 
still works on any Mac. (100duet kinda "broke" when PowerBooks and 
PowerPC Macs came out.) While less than elegant, it still does the job 
rather well, given its age. One side effect is that it doesn't close the 
modem port when it quits, so I've also included the shareware program 
"CommCloser," which handles that with just a couple of mouse clicks. 
(Someday when time permits, I'd like to write a modern Mac/ModT transfer 
utility. But for now, MacDOS lets your Mac squirt files to and from your 
Tandy laptop and/or Portable Disk Drive.)

I've made separate directories for PC and Macintosh to (hopefully) make 
it easy to get what you need.

Just one caveat: I haven't had time to actually download these things and 
test 'em to see that they're set up correctly. And given my schedule, 
'tain't likely I will. So I'm counting on some adventurous souls among 
you to (back up any important files on your Tandy and) try 'em out. Let 
me know if I need to change anything, okay?

Another item: I've finally posted the latest known copy of Portable 100 
magazine's article index to the site (linked from the main page). It 
covers all issues from the first (September 1985) up through the combined 
July/August 1991 issue. The magazine continued for a couple more years, 
but there were no further updates (that I can find) to the index. If 
someone would like to update this info, so we'd have a complete index, 
please let me know.

And finally: I've told Rick Hanson to go ahead with Club 100's project to 
post HTML versions of all the Portable 100 magazine issues. (Whoa -- 
wicked big project, dude! Do you know what you're in for?) And if/when 
time permits, I intend to post on my site scans of all issues (i.e., not 
HTML, but graphic files -- big and WYSIWYG). Between the two methods, we 
should have it all. (And then we'll discuss doing PICO magazine! )

Okay, I've most likely forgotten something, but I've been up since 5 a.m. 
Friday, it's now 2:53 a.m. Saturday (or did Daylight Savings Time expire 
-- I can't recall), and I've gotta be up in just a few hours.

Looking forward (I think) to hearing how/if the new files function.

'Nite!

-- Nuge --

Mike Nugent
Tri-Mike Network East
17 Grove Street
Antrim, NH 03440
Tel: (603) 588-2010
Fax: (603) 588-4203
E-mail: tmne@conknet.com
WWW: http://www.tmne.com

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I just picked up a couple of Tandy 600s. One works. The other may after
I get it reassembled. 

But I need a copy of the utility disk. If anyone has a copy, please let
me know.

-- 
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        I have a 102 that died on me years ago, much to my chagrin.  I
would like to get it working again, cost-permitting.  I bought it used
in a pawn shop back in '84.  The AC adapter never worked properly, so I
fed it rechargeable AA's.   Got some PCSG chips  for it:  Write ROM,
Lucid, SuperROM, RAM+ and a portable disk drive.  Worked fine for years.

Then one day I flicked it on, it flickered back and died.  Never had a
clue as to how to fix it, so it's been parked ever since.  Got any
suggestions?  - Richard

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Sorry but I still haven't found my manual or quick ref. I have been trying
to open the com port in basic for input (output will come later). I just
can't seem to get it right. Memory (mine) is to weak to recall how to do
this, the book I do have doesnt cover the com port.

I want to open it with 4800 baud, 8N1. As I recall the baud is a number (I
can remember a chart but not the values, at least I think I can). I have
tried to test my memory in the telcom status but can't get it right.

Thanks in advance for you help. Sorry to clutter the list with this.

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Uh, minor typo in last post:

>I've finally posted the latest known copy of Portable 100 
>magazine's article index to the site (linked from the main page). It 
>covers all issues from the first (September 1985) up through the combined 
>July/August 1991 issue.

That "September 1985" should read "September 1983."

-- Nuge --

Mike Nugent
Tri-Mike Network East
17 Grove Street
Antrim, NH 03440
Tel: (603) 588-2010
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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Mike Nugent wrote:

> Just a note to let y'all know I've put some new files up on the Tri-Mike
> Network East site. They're not linked on the main page, so you'll need
> to use this URL: . 

Mike: I'll use that URL to build another category in the Club 100 library
that will point over to you.

> In additon, the Mac directory includes the long-discontinued "MacDOS" 
> file transfer program. It's the only Mac <-> Model "T" software that
> still works on any Mac. 

Make sure you include LOADER in the package.  Loader is the Model "T" side
that completes the package.

> Another item: I've finally posted the latest known copy of Portable 100
> magazine's article index to the site (linked from the main page). It
> covers all issues from the first (September 1985) up through the
> combined July/August 1991 issue. The magazine continued for a couple
> more years, but there were no further updates (that I can find) to the
> index. If someone would like to update this info, so we'd have a
> complete index, please let me know. 
> 
> And finally: I've told Rick Hanson to go ahead with Club 100's project
> to post HTML versions of all the Portable 100 magazine issues. (Whoa --
> wicked big project, dude! Do you know what you're in for?) And if/when
> time permits, I intend to post on my site scans of all issues (i.e., not
> HTML, but graphic files -- big and WYSIWYG). Between the two methods, we
> should have it all. (And then we'll discuss doing PICO magazine! ) 

To all on the listserv:

The Portable 100 Magazine project is what I was referring to last month
when I said there's a BIG surprise in the works.  The project is really
BIG but when it's finally online, the wealth of information will be
unbelievable!  My #1 thing I am working on right now is finding someone
locally who will key in all the mags and make sure there are absolutley no
mistakes.  Once that job is done, I will start the layout and coding
process.  I use a local service for my agricultural web development work
but she and her staff are a bit pricy for this hobby project.  I am still
looking.  And again, please don't look for this to come online quickly. 
It's very labor intensive and detailed. 

-Rick @ Club 100-


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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, R.A. Ozimek wrote:

> I have a 102 that died on me years ago, much to my chagrin.  I would
> like to get it working again, cost-permitting.  I bought it used in a
> pawn shop back in '84.  The AC adapter never worked properly, so I fed
> it rechargeable AA's.  Got some PCSG chips for it:  Write ROM, Lucid,
> SuperROM, RAM+ and a portable disk drive.  Worked fine for years. 
> 
> Then one day I flicked it on, it flickered back and died.  Never had a
> clue as to how to fix it, so it's been parked ever since.  Got any
> suggestions?  - Richard

Fixing your 102 could be straight forward or a nightmare.  It's impossible
to say without getting into it.  My first suggestion is to go get another
102 and swap out all the chips that you want, make sure it's all working,
then offer up the non-working unit as a donor machine.  I'm always
interested in a parts supply for fixing other Model 102s.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html


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The first thing to try in a machine that has been in
long-term storage is corrosion of electrical contacts,
battery, internal connectors, AC adapter esp.

Rick Hanson is a pro at this ;) and will no doubt 
jump in and give you better advice on what should
be checked first.


-----Original Message-----
From: R.A. Ozimek 
To: m100@list.30below.com 
Date: Saturday, October 24, 1998 10:00 AM
Subject: Busted 102


>        I have a 102 that died on me years ago, much to my chagrin.  I
>would like to get it working again, cost-permitting.  I bought it used
>in a pawn shop back in '84.  The AC adapter never worked properly, so I
>fed it rechargeable AA's.   Got some PCSG chips  for it:  Write ROM,
>Lucid, SuperROM, RAM+ and a portable disk drive.  Worked fine for years.
>
>Then one day I flicked it on, it flickered back and died.  Never had a
>clue as to how to fix it, so it's been parked ever since.  Got any
>suggestions?  - Richard
>


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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Don Pfister KA0JLF wrote:

> Sorry but I still haven't found my manual or quick ref. I have been
> trying to open the com port in basic for input (output will come later).
> I just can't seem to get it right. Memory (mine) is to weak to recall
> how to do this, the book I do have doesnt cover the com port. 

Don... you will find the instructions at the Club 100 web site.  Select
"Library," then select "Technical Reference."  You will find a listing of
all the BASIC commands with examples.

To all:
Please remember that a wealth of information is free for the taking at the
Club 100 web site: http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html

-Rick @ Club 100-


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If there was an adequate index or a typed-in version of the table of
contents, might it not be easier to scan in all the magazine pages?
Although the files might be relatively large, it might not be *that* bad,
and with relatively high speed modems it could be okay. Disk space would
be a minor issue but a 2 gig HD is <$100 these days, a lot less cost than
hiring someone to type everything in.

"just my $0.02"
jason


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On 10/24/98 Jason Ehrlich wrote:

>If there was an adequate index or a typed-in version of the table of
>contents, might it not be easier to scan in all the magazine pages?

Scanning is certainly waaaaay easier, but both approaches have their 
benefits. Scanning lets you keep the exact original look (complete with 
errors), including the ads, which may be of interest, "historically" 
speaking. But the files will be too big for some people.

An HTML version offers the ability to hyperlink to a given article, and 
then to articles that might be referenced within the original article. 
And whereas with a scan, you'd still need to manually type in program 
listings, HTML would allow you a link to download it -- very convenient. 
And then there are the inevitable corrections. (No amount of proofreading 
catches all the booboos.) A screwup in, say, a May issue might not be 
noticed, and a correction printed, until perhaps the July issue or later. 
HTML would let you link to the "good" info immediately, saving you from 
wondering why your program's crashing, even though you typed it in 
exactly as printed on the page. (There again, the huperlinked, 
downloadable version would already be correct.)

So they both have value, and I hope we can do both. (Me, I'll stick with 
scanning, 'cause there's no _way_ I could find time -- or the desire -- 
to type it all in. I already put that d@mn magazine together once -- it's 
someone else's turn! )

-- Nuge --

Mike Nugent
Tri-Mike Network East
17 Grove Street
Antrim, NH 03440
Tel: (603) 588-2010
Fax: (603) 588-4203
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On 10/24/98 Rick Hanson wrote:

>Mike: I'll use that URL to build another category in the Club 100 library
>that will point over to you.

Good idea. I'm not sure what will in there. I'll start with what I think 
can't be found elsewhere, plus whatever things I consider must-have stuff.

>Make sure you include LOADER in the package.  Loader is the Model "T" side
>that completes the package.

Yep, it's in there. And a slightly modified version of a note you wrote 
to a user, explaining the history of the Mac/LapDOS and 100/WPduet 
family. 

-- Nuge --

Mike Nugent
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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Jason Ehrlich wrote:

> If there was an adequate index or a typed-in version of the table of
> contents, might it not be easier to scan in all the magazine pages? 
> Although the files might be relatively large, it might not be *that*
> bad, and with relatively high speed modems it could be okay. Disk space
> would be a minor issue but a 2 gig HD is <$100 these days, a lot less
> cost than hiring someone to type everything in.  "just my $0.02"  jason

If OCR were 100%, or even 90% correct it would be possible but
unfortunately it is not.  Magazines use a sarif font with kerning (I may
not have spelled those words correctly) which scan in as just a block of
blackness.  When the OCR hits this black blob, it offers up nothing in
return.  And various characters, such as "th" will come back as "lln" or
something else -- and it's not consistant.  The easiest print to OCR is a
typed page in a non-proportional, non sarifed font.  Also, the background
must not be any other color than white -- not even off white -- or the
scanned image to be OCRed is just shades of gray on which the characters
disappear.

I've had extensive experience with this, since I work with the marketing
departments of agricultural concerns, used to turnning out brochures and
otherwise "print" media where the use of colors and font kerning is the
norm -- as well as the use of graphic designers who use Macs ... read that
as people who have never learned the fundamentals of computing nor
understand the strict requirements of the ASCII definition within the ISO
8859-1 (Latin-1) character set.  For instance, in the development of the
Ocean Mist Farms "artichoke" site , I
paid around $3,000 to have a bunch of materials keyed in, of which I used
about 60% in the site. 

If I were to use the same firm I hired to key all the Portable 100
Magazines, I estimate that the cost may push close to $8,000 +/-.  I'm
looking to do the job for around a thousand -- and no, I am not about to
do the job, myself.  I don't have the time or patients.

I really do wish that the OCR process was better than it is, and it might
be, if I could find a commercial/industrial service.  If that were the
case, I could get the cost down to perhaps $500 - $800.  But, due to the
columns in a magazine, the operator would have to define each scan, unless
the programming was smart enough -- I doubt it.

So, there's my two cents on your two cents.  Now we have four cents.  If
we continue along these lines, we'll soon have enough for a cup of coffee!
:-)  I appreciate your comments.  Thanks.  -Rick @ Club 100-


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Eesh.  I feel like a schmuck.  i had no problem transferring files between
my (now "sick") t200 and a mac with MacDos.  Now i'm using a 102 and a PC
and can't seem to figure anything out.  I've tried desklink and teeny.ba,
but that i have no idea what i'm doing.   nor do i understand telcom
transfers.

I'm using win95, which i'm just getting used to.  any ideas?  i mean, i
know i'm not giving much insight into the problem, but i'm having a hard
time myself in that department.  i'm pretty dos illiterate, too.  

Thing is, i'm also looking for something fairly immediate.  like, so i can
use the laptop on the go this week.  help?  

I think i'm the quintessential 'mac dummy' who bought a PC b/c too many
friends told me it was better, and now has no idea how to reap these
'benefits'. 

-rick v.



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On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Rick Valenzuela wrote:

> Eesh.  I feel like a schmuck.  i had no problem transferring files
> between my (now "sick") t200 and a mac with MacDos.  Now i'm using a 102
> and a PC and can't seem to figure anything out.  I've tried desklink and
> teeny.ba, but that i have no idea what i'm doing.  nor do i understand
> telcom transfers. 
				[snip]
> Thing is, i'm also looking for something fairly immediate.  like, so i
> can use the laptop on the go this week.  help? 

Hold on.  Teeny is for model 100/102 not the 200 -- stop trying.  If you
have any of the following for your Model 200, you will be able to
immediately use DeskLink on the PC.

 - floppy.co for the tpdd
 - floppy for the tpdd2
 - ultimate ROM II
 - sarding ROM
 - ts-dos ROM (any version)
 - ts-random (any version)

If you have a tpdd or tpdd2 (Tandy Portable Disk Drive or Drive 2) then
boot the DOS that came with the drive and you're home free -- with the
correct cable, of course. 

If you do not have any of the above, then buying a TS-DOS ROM for your
Model 200 would be the best move.  You already have DeskLink and a cable
-- although at this point, we don't know if it's correctly pinned out, but
first things first.

That's my best shot, my friend.  -Rick @ Club 100-


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Hi.
I was hoping someone might be able to help me with a very basic programming
question. I've built a mortgage calculator in Basic. I would like to be able
to save the input and calculation results to a .do file. What would be the
best way to do this. I tried   save"ram:filename",A     but this saves the
file with all the line numbers, which I would rather not have.

Also, when I tried to use the   save"ram:filename",A  command with a string
variable in the place of the filename, it didn't save the contents of the
string variable as the filename but rather the actual string variable name.
What is the proper notation for using a string variable within a command
like the one I'm using?

Many thanks for the help.

Peter


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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Peter Vinet wrote:

> Hi.  I was hoping someone might be able to help me with a very basic
> programming question. I've built a mortgage calculator in Basic. I would
> like to be able to save the input and calculation results to a .do file.
> What would be the best way to do this. I tried save"ram:filename",A but
> this saves the file with all the line numbers, which I would rather not
> have. 
>
> Also, when I tried to use the save"ram:filename",A command with a string
> variable in the place of the filename, it didn't save the contents of
> the string variable as the filename but rather the actual string
> variable name.  What is the proper notation for using a string variable
> within a command like the one I'm using? 


You need a simple example of printing to a file that is opened for output. 
There are several examples in our library.  A simple one is "AUTO.BA" in
the "Business" category.  Remember, with few exceptions, all the files in
our library are in ASCII regardless of their extension.  Please see the
code in that file for ideas you may use in your program.

Happy programming... -Rick @ Club 100-

http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html


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On 1998-10-24 pevinet@total.net said to bmarcum@iglou.com
   >Hi.
   >I was hoping someone might be able to help me with a very basic
   >programming question. I've built a mortgage calculator in Basic. I
   >would like to be able to save the input and calculation results to
   >a .do file. What would be the best way to do this. I tried
   >save"ram:filename",A     but this saves the file with all the line
   >numbers, which I would rather not have.
I think you want something like:
open "filename" for output as 1
print #1,a
close #1
   >Also, when I tried to use the   save"ram:filename",A  command with
   >a string variable in the place of the filename, it didn't save the
   >contents of the string variable as the filename but rather the
   >actual string variable name. What is the proper notation for using
   >a string variable within a command like the one I'm using?
Don't use quotes if you use a variable.  For example
n$="ram:filename"
save n$,a   or   open n$ for output as 1
If you don't have a Model 100 Basic manual, there should be more information
on the Club 100 web page.  There might be a mortgage calculator there too,
but you can learn a lot by writing your own.


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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
To: "R.A. Ozimek" , m100@list.30below.com
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:50:16 GMT
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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:02:05 -0400, you wrote:

>        I have a 102 that died on me years ago, much to my chagrin.  I

Here are some general suggestions:

Before you pull the case apart, try the following:

1.  Remove the batteries.
2.  Turn off the Memory Power switch on the bottom of the machine.
3.  Remove any chip installed in the Option ROM socket (under one of
the trap doors on the bottom of the case).
4.  Remove any RAM expansion module -- or anything else --  installed
in the System Bus socket (under another trap door).
5.  Let the machine sit in this condition overnight.
6.  Turn on the Memory Power switch.
7.  Attach a known-to-be good AC power supply.
8.  Turn on the main power switch and see what happens.

If you still have the same condition, it's time to open the case.  But
before you start thinking about hardware replacement, you should:

1.  Remove and re-seat the RAM modules.
2.  Disconnect and re-connect any ribbon connectors you can find.
3.  Get rid of any debris, dirt, etc. inside the case.

Put things back together and re-test as above.

In my experience, most sudden M100 crashes/lockups have come from
flakey connections in the Option ROM socket.  It just seems that the
socket prongs and ROM connector strips get corroded over time, and for
reasons I've never understood, this can lock up the machine even when
you aren't using OptROM software at the time.  Removing and re-seating
the ROM is usually enough to get the electrons flowing again.  Some
people recommend burnishing the contacts with a pencil eraser or emery
stick, but I don't know how much this really helps.  I think a =3Dlight=3D
wipedown with WD40 might be even better.  [Obviously, if you don't
have an Option ROM installed, this part doesnt' apply to you!]

Let me know how you make out.

Van


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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
To: Rick Valenzuela , m100@list.30below.com
Subject: Re: idiot proof file xfer
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:06:43 GMT
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On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:26:43 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>
>Eesh.  I feel like a schmuck.  i had no problem transferring files =
between
>my (now "sick") t200 and a mac with MacDos.  Now i'm using a 102 and a =
PC
>and can't seem to figure anything out.  I've tried desklink and =
teeny.ba,
>but that i have no idea what i'm doing.   nor do i understand telcom
>transfers.


Rick,
   I'm attaching the program LAPTAP.EXE (in compressed format) to this
message.  It was designed to be the most idiot-proof transfer utility
on the planet, but there have been complaints that it did not work on
some 486-class PCs.
   You'll need to connect you machines with a null-modem cable (which
I assume you were using when you did the Mac transfers previously).
Then run LAPTAP and just follow the directions on the screen.
    Just in case you don't have Com 1 available for your connection,
you can change to another port by putting the port number in LAPTAP's
execution line:

		LAPTAP 2

would set the program to use Com 2.
    I'd appreciate some feedback on your success (or otherwise) with
the program.

Regards,
   Van



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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
To: m100@list.30below.com
Subject: Re: programming question
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:21:27 GMT
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On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:07:35 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi.
>I was hoping someone might be able to help me with a very basic =
programming
>question. I've built a mortgage calculator in Basic. I would like to be =
able
>to save the input and calculation results to a .do file. What would be =
the
>best way to do this. I tried   save"ram:filename",A     but this saves =
the
>file with all the line numbers, which I would rather not have.
>
>Also, when I tried to use the   save"ram:filename",A  command with a =
string
>variable in the place of the filename, it didn't save the contents of =
the
>string variable as the filename but rather the actual string variable =
name.
>What is the proper notation for using a string variable within a command
>like the one I'm using?
>
>Many thanks for the help.
>
>Peter
>
The elementary BASIC commands for reading and writing to RAM files:

MAXFILES
	eg., MAXFILES =3D 2
sets the max number of files that can be opened at a time.  Statement
should be at the top of your pogram, because it will wipe out any
existing variable assignments.

OPEN
 	eg., OPEN "test.do" for output as #1
tells your program to recognize the file by its "handle" (in this case
#1).  Valid modes are INPUT (to read from the file), OUTPUT (to erase
any existing file of the given name and start writing data at the top
of a new file), and APPEND (to write data at the bottom of the named
file -- creating a new file if none currently exists).

PRINT #
	eg., PRINT #1, a$
writes the variable in a$ to the bottom of the file opened as #1.

INPUT #
	eg., INPUT #1, a$
reads data from the file opened as #1, only up to the next CR/LF
combination or unprotected comma (a comma within two quotation marks
is 'protected' -- otherwise it is treated as a data delimiter), then
sets a marker so that the next iteration of the command will read the
next data item, until an end-of-file (EOF) marker is found..

LINE INPUT #
	eg., LINE INPUT #1, a$
reads a full line of text from the file opened as #1, and sets a
marker so that the next iteration of the command will read the next
line, until an (EOF) marker is found.  Commas within the line are not
treated as delimiters.

EOF #
	eg., if EOF(#1) then ...
tests whether the most recent file input was the last item in the file
(returns a value of -1 if true)=20

CLOSE #
	eg.,  CLOSE #2
writes an EOF marker to the file opened as #2 and frees up the file
handle.  The CLOSE statement can be used without any number to close
all open files.


A typical code structure for reading text from a .DO file would be:

10 maxfiles =3D 1
20 open "test.do" for input as #1
30 if eof(1) then 99
40 line input #1, a$
50 ' process a$
60 goto 30
99 close:end

All the above examples use string variables for input and output.
Numeric variables are handled the same way.




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From: Kevin Stewart 
To: Peter Vinet 
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Hey..

what you need to do is this: (say A$, B$, C%, and E% are your variables.)

Somewhere in your program (where you need to save it) put:

OPEN "MOO.DO" FOR OUTPUT AS 1 ' MAY BE #1, CAN'T REMEMBER
PRINT $1, A$,B$,C%,E%
CLOSE


tada! your results will be saved in moo.do. You will, however, have to
play around with the text formatting to get it how you want.

Kevin


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> 
> Rick,
>    I'm attaching the program LAPTAP.EXE (in compressed format) to this
> message.  It was designed to be the most idiot-proof transfer utility
> on the planet, but there have been complaints that it did not work on
> some 486-class PCs.

I've used laptap.exe and find it fairly easy to use. I just wish I could
slow it down to 4800.


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Van: Would you like Laptap.zip to be available at the Club 100 web site? 
If so, where would you like it placed?  I could create a special file area
in the library under your name, if you wish.  In that case, I would be
happy to store other stuff, such as other programs, tip sheets, etc. 
Another idea would be to make a general "File Transfer Programs" category
and put all those types of methods in there.  Perhaps that would be a
better.  What do you think would be best?  -Rick-



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Many thanks to all for the responses regarding my programming questions.
Sincerely
Peter


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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:39:20 EST, you wrote:
>I've used laptap.exe and find it fairly easy to use. I just wish I could
>slow it down to 4800.

You can't, but I guess I could -- if I dug out the old source code,
tweaked it a little bit and re-compiled.  First, though, I'm really
curious about what problems your having at the default, 9600 bps?
Missing characters, garbled text, inability to start/stop the
transfer?  Both directions, or just one?

There's really no reason that the M100 should balk at 9600 when using
the F2/F3 keys in TEXT and BASIC (though TELCOM is another story,
because of screen scrolling); so I'm a little perplexed on this.  A
description of your problems could help a lot.

Thanks,
  Van


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Once upon a midnight dreary, Leonard Erickson had spoken clearly:
>I just picked up a couple of Tandy 600s. One works. The other may after
>I get it reassembled. 
>
>But I need a copy of the utility disk. If anyone has a copy, please let
>me know.

I have a copy of the utility disk... but my 600 is down with a dead
battery. If I put AC to it long enough, I can prolly get it copied.

Lemme play with that over the weekend, and get back with me the first of
next week.

Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger

P.S. BTW, I am finally back with a little bit of time... my e-mail box at
work went down for 2 weeks at the same time my home machine went thru a
major upgrade (and getting my wife's machine up as well...)

I have made changes to the list address to keep the bounces down, and am
looking at upgrading the list software (and my mail routing software) to
allow all bounces to come to me instead of to the person sending to the list.

If the sub/unsub procedures were to change (drastically) would anyone mind?
Please reply to private e-mail to me and give me your opinion.

(Oh, and Leneord? I do have a Tandy 600 mailing list as well at
m600@30below.com ... for now, subscribe the same way as the m100 list.)


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Van --

Thanks for the Laptap.  I can transfer files to the 102, and for some
reason it's better to do it through TEXT.  BASIC garbles some of the
lines.  With TEXT, it's just a matter of going in and removing carriage 
returns.  But so far, I haven't had any luck spitting files into the PC
(Acer 166, AMD K6, running Win95).  I'm using COM1, at 9600, and serial
cable plus the adaptor i used with a mac serial cable.

I think I'm going to try to transfer files with different desktops;  maybe
the problem is with my PC.

any other ideas?

-r.



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Martin, I'm posting back to the Club 100 listserv since the PINE mailer
I'm accessing didn't like the encoding of your email message.  I'm not
sure that your address survived the conversion PINE attempted. Hopefully
you joined the listerv.

Congrats on your NEC PC-8201A find!

Glad to help. My mail program was, however, unable to handle some of the
coding of your original message so you get answers without questions. 
Hopefully I remember them all.

The NEC PC-8201A has a 2.4 MHz CMOS 8085 processor. The 8085 can address
only 64K of memory at a time. The system ROM takes up 32K, so that leaves
a max of 32K RAM that can be used at a time.  The system needs some of the
topmost RAM, leaving somewhere in the neighborhood of 28K available on a
"clean" machine with 32K installed RAM.

The NEC has 16K RAM standard and accepts up to six 8K RAM modules. Two of
the expansion modules expand the main RAM bank (bank 1) to 32K.  The other
4 modules populate a second bank (bank 2) up to a max of 32K. NEC
supposedly made a memory sidecar that plugged into the expansion port to
give a third bank (bank 3) of 32K.  Thus, a full complement of six
expansion RAM modules gives you 64K and the modules plus a sidecar gives
you 96K RAM.  The 8K modules are the same ones used by the M100 (not the
T102).

You can only use one bank at a time, so having multiple banks is like
having multiple machines -- or more like multiple personalities. You
switch between banks from MENU. Banks are independent.

The BASIC in the NEC is N82 BASIC.  It is very similar to the BASIC in the
Model 100/102.  However, there are differences.  I have references on my
web site for the BASIC commands and cross-referencing to the Model
100/102. Programs without PEEK, POKE, CALL/EXEC, LINE, and VARPTR (these
commands pop into my mind right off) should work fine on any of the Model
Ts.

I think Rick has a good reference for PC-->Model T transfers.  Check his
site. I have one explanation half written for my web site.  One of these
days I'll finish it off. The instructions for the Model 100/102 and the
NEC are very very close.  The only real difference is a minor difference
in how the STAT parameters look.  There are also several ways to push bits
back and forth between the NEC/M100/T102 and a PC.

If you have any other questions, just send a note -- and pls check your
email encoding. I often login via a Unix server using a straight vt100 emu
on one of my DOS PCs. Straight ASCII is appreciated for mail shoved
directly to me.

I very much recommend that you join the listserv if you aren't on it already.

I'll work on some stuff for my web site this weekend. I need a break from
the OT I'm putting in and writing in the yard amidst all the leaves might
be the right therapy. I also haven't posted anything to the web site in
eons. Been busy. Check the site for some telcom hints and tips late Sunday
or on Monday.

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
Tandy 1100FD  ! Art is not a study of positive reality; it is the
NEC PC-8201A  ! seeking for ideal truth.
Tandy 102     !                            -- George Sand



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They exist - Know a fellow who has one.

Jack

David Firth wrote:
> NEC
> supposedly made a memory sidecar that plugged into the expansion port to
> give a third bank (bank 3) of 32K.


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Does anyone know how the snapin ROMs in the PC82 work?  I figured out how to
hook up a 32K RAM into the option ROM socket, but running a program from it
requires knowing how to access the BIOS routines in the STANDARD ROM.  On the
M100, it's done with software interrupts.  Does anyone know the details for
the PC82?

chris

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I have just gotten hold of an old Tandy 102 including the manual. The manual 
has a pinout, p. 98, of how the null modem cable is supposed to look. This 
doesn't quite match other layouts that I have seen, see for example: 
http://www.noord.bart.nl/~lammert/comm/info/RS-232_null_modem.html

Does anybody on this list have a suggestion as to which type of null modem 
cable I should build?

Thank you,
Tom Jensen

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On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Tom Jensen wrote:

> Does anybody on this list have a suggestion as to which type of null
> modem cable I should build?  Thank you, Tom Jensen

Tom: Here is what I use at Club 100 to build the CompLink cables.

CLUB 100 CompLink CABLE DIAGRAMS

Below is the pin out diagram we use to make our Computer<-->Link cables
for use with Lapdos II, DeskLink and WP2DOS Plus.  They start out as
null-modem cables then timing control is added via cross-pinning.  Timing
control is necessary to assure proper operations between the computers.

           Laptop    Desktop

 N C          D25    D25
 U A           1      1
 L B           2------3
 L L           3------2
 | E         |-4      4-|
 M           |-5      5-|
 O D25     |---6      6---|
 D  T      |   7------7   |
 E  O      |   8      8   |
 M D25     |--20      20--|

 N C          D25    D9
 U A           1      1
 L B           2------2
 L L           3------3
 | E         |-4      4---|
 M           |-5   |--5   |
 O D25     |---6   |  6---|
 D  T      |   7---|  7-|
 E  O      |   8      8-|
 M D9      |--20      9

         Desktop     WP-2

 N C          D9     D9
 U A           1      1
 L B           2------3
 L L           3------2
 | E       |---4      4---|
 M         |   5------5   |
 O D9      |---6      6---|
 D  T        |-7      7-|
 E  O        |-8      8-|
 M D9          9      9

 N C          D25    D9
 U A           1      1
 L B           2------2
 L L           3------3
 | E         |-4      4---|
 M           |-5   |--5   |
 O D25     |---6   |  6---|
 D  T      |   7---|  7-|
 E  O      |   8      8-|
 M D9      |--20      9


At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
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Thanks Van &al for fielding my 'idiot proof file xfer' question ... but,
I still haven't got it to go properly.

Laptap seems to work only from PC to 102, and definitely better in TEXT
than BASIC, which garbles a lot of lines.  Still, I haven't had any luck
transferring either way with anything else (PC <--> Tandy), so is i can
get laptap to work, i'm psyched.

MacDos has worked both ways.  This morning, i got it to and from on a
Centris.  Just now, I got it to go to and from on a G3.  BUT, it always
coldstarts.  (I forgot about cold starts, and completely panicked that if
the 102 wasn't already "quirky", I had just buried it).

Is there anything I could check to make sure the rs-232 port is fine?  I'm
using the appropriate serial cables, and a null adaptor.  

A week or so ago, Van posted something about checking a 102 to make sure
it's okay.  It involved taking out the batteries and optional roms and
switching the memory off overnight.  Will that help me at all?

Which brings up another question:  I popped off a lid underneath, and saw
something installed there.  I have no idea what it is, and nothing shows
up on the menu.  How can I find out what it is?

still at it,
-r.



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1.  Has/does anyone use the Small-C compiler to develop programs for
their Model 100. I think James C. pointed out the source for this
compiler.  If you do use it what is your development cycle.  i.e.
Compile on a PC, then transmit assembly source to Model 100 then
assemble or Compile on PC, cross assemble on PC transmit object code to
Model 100, etc . . .

2.  Has anyone ever made a BASIC compiler to turn BASIC programs into
assemble language and/or object code.

3.  Has anyone written a PC based program that will convert a tokenized
BASIC program into human readable form.  And also convert human readable
BASIC program to a tokenized version.  The reason I ask this is when I
use Cleuseau/ROM2 and Desklink to save a program is saves it tokenized.
This may be correct but doesn't make the program very readable.  I do
know how to get around it by saving it as a .DO files but this seems
tedious.  I would like to run it through a program to do the conversions
then I could just put it in the \root directory on my PC then use
DeskLink to access it.  If no one has this program is their
documentation on how the Model 100 tokenizes a program so I can write
one myself.

F.Y.I.  The DeskLink / Null Model Cable combination with Cleuseau/ROM2
works very well.  The ROM2 disk access functions work with no problems.
I am using this on a P166 running Win95 and have used it on COM1 and
COM2.

Thanks,
Kevin


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Mike --

i'm crossposting this to the M100 list, who've been more than helpful, in
case this info sheds any light into my problem. 

[re: my file transfer problems, 102 <--> anything, null modem cables]

hm.  Maybe the cables are the problem.  Now I'm not quite sure if I have
the right ones.

When I had an m200 and used my roommate's Mac, I bought a serial cable,
and an adaptor.  From what I understand, that adaptor makes the cable
"full null".  It worked.  And it still does with the 102, but it
coldstarts every time I x-fer *to* the Mac.

But I only have luck with PCs going from PC --> Tandy.

The cable i use for the Mac x-fers is a 25M-(round)9M cable, with the
9 side, obviously, for the Mac modem port.  The PC one is a
25M-(four-sided polygon(?))9F serial cable.  Could they possibly use
different adaptors?

-rick valenzuela





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Hey Kevin...

1. Don't know, never heard of it.
2. Yes, but they're not full BASIC-compatible. Look in the programming
section of the m100 libraries.
3. I think so...

Kevin


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> 2. Yes, but they're not full BASIC-compatible. Look in the programming
> section of the m100 libraries.

Thanks I didn't see that before, guess I didn't look far enough down the
page.


> 3. I think so...

Does this(...) mean you will get back with me when you have the program
AND documentation written. :)

Thanks for the help as I was to blind to see that program in the
library.

Thanks again goes to Richard for such a great source.

Kevin


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On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Kevin Slater wrote:

> 
> > 3. I think so...
> 
> Does this(...) mean you will get back with me when you have the program
> AND documentation written. :)
> 
Wasn't planning on it- I didn't write it... but if someone were to supply
me with how the files are tokenized I suppose I could do it... off the the
whole enchilada I go!

> 
> Kevin
> 
Kevin :)


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On Mon, 2 Nov 1998, Kevin Slater wrote:

> 1.  Has/does anyone use the Small-C compiler to develop programs for
> their Model 100. I think James C. pointed out the source for this
> compiler.  If you do use it what is your development cycle.  i.e. 
> Compile on a PC, then transmit assembly source to Model 100 then
> assemble or Compile on PC, cross assemble on PC transmit object code to
> Model 100, etc . . . 

Yes.  There is one available from Mo Budlong.  Here are the detials I have
on file...

Mo & Helen Budlong
King Computer Services, Inc.
10350 Samoa Ave
Tujunga CA 91042
818 951 5240
818 353 1278 fax

R BASIC pro v5.0
R BASIC v4.0
ASM 100
C 100
Collection of tech letters
Secrets of the ROM reveled

> 2.  Has anyone ever made a BASIC compiler to turn BASIC programs into
> assemble language and/or object code.

Ask Mo...
 
> 3.  Has anyone written a PC based program that will convert a tokenized
> BASIC program into human readable form.  And also convert human readable
> BASIC program to a tokenized version.  The reason I ask this is when I
> use Cleuseau/ROM2 and Desklink to save a program is saves it tokenized. 
> This may be correct but doesn't make the program very readable.  I do
> know how to get around it by saving it as a .DO files but this seems
> tedious.  I would like to run it through a program to do the conversions
> then I could just put it in the \root directory on my PC then use
> DeskLink to access it.  If no one has this program is their
> documentation on how the Model 100 tokenizes a program so I can write
> one myself. 

I believe that that GWBASIC will convert the files.  I've successfully run
GWBASIC code on a Model 100 and vise versa in the distant past.  It's
worth a try.

Also, Tom Quindry once sent me a program that would detoke basic files on
a PC.  I'll have to go find it...

> F.Y.I.  The DeskLink / Null Model Cable combination with Cleuseau/ROM2
> works very well.  The ROM2 disk access functions work with no problems. 
> I am using this on a P166 running Win95 and have used it on COM1 and
> COM2.  Thanks, Kevin

And thanks for the good words about DeskLink and the ROM2/Cleuseau ROM.
The Model 100/102 version has the tpdd code since I ship the "developers"
version of that ROM.  I ship the normal version for Model 200 and NEC
PC8201a users since that is all I have for them.

-Rick # Club 100-


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Kevin Slater wrote:
> 1.  Has/does anyone use the Small-C compiler to develop programs for
> their Model 100. I think James C. pointed out the source for this
> compiler.

Gasp.  So _that's_ why I downloaded it?  I'd forgotten.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Withers, Bob (MCI) wrote:

> Rick, This sounded pretty interesting until I did a web search on King
> Computer Services and learned that C 100 sells for $699
> (http://software-guide.com/cdprod1/swhrec/002/707.shtml).  I'm switching
> back to the reality channel now. Bob

BINGO! But this is okay. Mo Budlong is a business man and understands the
value of what he manufactured. He is a realist, not a bobbiest. He sells
his work to companies for development use and $700 is cheap, compaired to
its value in developing product that will eventually sell for millions.

Talking reality: Mo and Helen have kids in school and must support a house
hold and a business. $700 is nothing when you consider the dynamics. Put
it on a credit card and pay for it over time.  Enjoy its value and enjoy
the fact that you helped support a talented person and his family.

Take no offence, Bob.  I understand and appreciate your reaction. I offer
this feedback in defence of reality so that readers will consider the
bigger picture.

With respect... -Rick @ Club 100-


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Kevin Slater wrote:

>3.  Has anyone written a PC based program that will convert a tokenized
>BASIC program into human readable form.

As Rick Hanson said, Tom Quindry wrote a program called DETOKE.EXE 
that'll do that for you. I've posted it on my Web site in an as yet 
unlinked directory. You can get it here:

http://www.tmne.com/downloads/pc/

DETOKE.EXE is in the public domain and will work for Tandy Model 
100/102/200 programs. It does *not* work for NEC 8201/8300s, however 
(different keywords for NECs).

I'm not aware of a Macintosh equivalent of DETOKE. Maybe I could try to 
write one if I could find time.

>And also convert human readable
>BASIC program to a tokenized version.

Nothing available that I know of. Could be a pretty handy thing to have, 
though. 

-- Nuge --

Mike Nugent
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> > Does this(...) mean you will get back with me when you have the
>  program
> > AND documentation written. :)
> >
> Wasn't planning on it- I didn't write it... but if someone were to
>  supply
> me with how the files are tokenized I suppose I could do it... off the
>  the
> whole enchilada I go!
>

Just kidding Kevin, I don't know if you saw the message from Mike about
detoke.exe.

Hey Mike do we have source code on the detoke.exe, could it be easily
change to go back to the tokenized version also.  What's it written in I
might be able to help.


Thanks for everyone's input I'm on a quest

Kevin S.


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Does anyone have info on the NEC PC-8233 Disk Interface?  Have a friend who
has one, and what appears to be the appropriate disk drive, but no idea
about software to access it.  

If this is unknown, I can post some pics (and probably will soon anyway) of
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I'm just reviving a M100 that I've stored for about 7 years. It's great =
to work with the thing again, as I used it doing research all over South =
Asia and in Central America in the mid 1980s.

My problem: It has 3 banks of 32K from PG (bought from Travelling =
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Carl Urion wrote:

>I'm just reviving a M100 that I've stored for about 7 years. It's great to 
>work with the thing again, as I used it doing research all over South Asia 
>and in Central America in the mid 1980s.

I'm sure some of us would like to hear about how you used it.

>My problem: It has 3 banks of 32K from PG (bought from Travelling Software 
>in 85). I don't have the bank transfer utility and wonder how to get it. I 
>can't find a bank transfer utility in anybody's on-line archives. Any advice?

If you use a PC/Wintel desktop machine, go to 
. If you're a Macintosh 
user, you want . 
The software is the latest version and handles up to eight banks of RAM. 
Please let me know if you have any problems with it.

-- Nuge --

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From rvalenzu@astro.ocis.temple.edu Mon Nov 16 02:44:50 1998
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hey, all...

Still having trouble.  I have a cable that works with macs.  a mac serial
cable and null modem adaptor that attaches to the db-25 side.  I got a pc
serial cable, used the same adaptor, and transfers worked to the tandy but
not to the pc.  i got another adaptor, for the pc cable, that attached to
the db-9 side, and transfers still only go from the pc to the tandy.

is there any way to check that the tandy com port is working properly?  is
it possible for the 102's rs-232 port to not work for only outgoing data?

I'm almost at wit's end here, about to cast off this 102 as 'broken'.  say
it ain't so ...

Rick Valenzuela



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You know, it sounds like my first m102, one I bought at a flea market.  It
could recieve, but not send.  After trying everything, I opened it up and
found that it was a hardware problem.  Traffic left the UART, but never
arrived at the RS232 port.  I concluded it was a short some where along the
way, maybe a blown capacitor (do they blow out???), who knows.  I have
wondered if that's a problem with old M102s.

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Rick Valenzuela wrote:
> is there any way to check that the tandy com port is working properly? 
> is it possible for the 102's rs-232 port to not work for only outgoing
> data?

Yes, yes.

The quick way to test is to connect a paper clip between pin two and pin
three of the 25 pin female DB25 connector on the rear of the unit.  This
connects transmit data to receive data, and is called a "loopback." 
Then, in TELCOM, anything you type should come back.  Try it at 300 baud
and 19200 baud.

Next, set another machine into a terminal emulator mode, connect them,
and prove that you can transmit keystrokes from one machine to the
other, and vice versa.

Yes, it is quite possible for RS-232 interfaces to fail such that one
half of their function is gone.  This is a normal failure mode; rarely
do both halves die at the same time.  Repair is often possible.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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Merch wrote to me in e-mail:

>I just made some modifications to my mail server... try it again to
>m100@list.30below.com, and see if you still get the bounce.

So that's what I'm doin'. Let's see if this makes it.

And, BTW, apologies to those of you who *might* have had to read a few 
test messages I sent to the list. I couldn't tell which, if any, ever 
made it, so I don't how many you had to put up with. :^)

Last post I could read was on 11/3, and I just started getting 'em again 
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This is just a test. Please disregard.

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From tom.jensen@909mail.dk Tue Nov 17 15:17:52 1998
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When I turn my Tandy 102 upside down I can hear a rattling sound as if there 
is a piece of lose plastic or soldering inside. I've have tried removing the 4 
screws - one at each corner but it does not come apart.

Are there more screws hidden that I should remove or shall I apply some force? 
(Or live the noise...).

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Hi all,

In Basic, on my T-200, is there a command that lets me print an ascii
character at and x,y screen position ?

Cheers !

Mat, London.

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Once upon a midnight dreary, Duellist01@aol.com had spoken clearly:
>Hi all,
>
>In Basic, on my T-200, is there a command that lets me print an ascii
>character at and x,y screen position ?

Yes, but you can't use x,y to use it... you need to use (x-1)*40+y...
here's how it works:

print @84,"let's print here..."

This will print on the 3rd line down, and the 4th caracter over. Another
example:

print @12,"this is neat..."

This will print on the top line, 12 characters over. I'm not sure how else
to explain this, but if you have any further questions please feel free to
ask!

Hope this helps,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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Once upon a midnight dreary, Tom Jensen had spoken clearly:
>When I turn my Tandy 102 upside down I can hear a rattling sound as if there 
>is a piece of lose plastic or soldering inside. I've have tried removing
the 4 
>screws - one at each corner but it does not come apart.
>
>Are there more screws hidden that I should remove or shall I apply some
force? 
>(Or live the noise...).

There are little interlocking tabs on the shells that lock together... so
after removing the screws, you have to:

1) find the places where the little tabs are,
2) *gently* use a fine screwdriver or finger pressure on the edge of the
shell to push in the tabs to separate the shell.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful than this -- but it's something more done by
feel than by explanation...

Mr. Rick might have a better insight on how to explain this as well - he's
halved many more "Model Ts" than I have.

Hope this helps,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Tom Jensen wrote:

> When I turn my Tandy 102 upside down I can hear a rattling sound as if there 
> is a piece of lose plastic or soldering inside. I've have tried removing the 4 
> screws - one at each corner but it does not come apart.

You have to pry the case apart-- I'm not sure of the pressure points off
hand (my m100 case is marred all along the edges-- I have found it before
:) ) but the docs are on the m100 page.
 
> Are there more screws hidden that I should remove or shall I apply some force? 
> (Or live the noise...).
Well, if it's a piece of plastic, it probably won't be a problem, but if
it IS a piece of solder or metal, you could have serious problems should
it come into contact with a component's pins.
> 
> Tom
Kevin


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On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Tom Jensen wrote:

> When I turn my Tandy 102 upside down I can hear a rattling sound as if
> there is a piece of lose plastic or soldering inside. I've have tried
> removing the 4 screws - one at each corner but it does not come apart. 
> 
> Are there more screws hidden that I should remove or shall I apply some
> force?  (Or live the noise...). 

It's probably a loose screw.  Attached are the instructions for splitting
the case ... and no, do not force it!  -Rick @ Club 100-

--

Splitting the Model 100 case, by Rick Hanson, Club 100

Note: The 102 and 200 split the same way.

There is a trick to splitting the Model 100 case:

The two halves of the case are held together by plastic notches in the
middle of the edges.  After removing the case screws you simply have to
know where to push in on the case edges to split the case.

Turn the Model 100 upside down, remove the screws at the four corners.
Turn it right side up, like you are going to use it.  Grab the left hand
edge and rock it up onto its right hand edge.  The bottom will be facing
your left and the top to your right.

Using your left hand, push down on the middle of the top edge of the
bottom half and the same on the front edge facing you ... again, pushing
in on the bottom half, only.  With your right hand, pull the top half away
from the bottom.  The unit will split like a clam shell and lay open,
easily.

And don't pinch the keyboard wires putting the case back together.



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On Tue, 17 Nov 1998 Duellist01@aol.com wrote:

> Hi all, In Basic, on my T-200, is there a command that lets me print an
> ascii character at and x,y screen position ? Cheers ! Mat, London. 

You will probably find the instructions you want at Club 100.  Select the
"Library" feature, then select "Technical Reference."  You will see a list
of BASIC instructions organized by category.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
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Hello Everybody,

I'm trying to get my 102 to come on after not having it on for about 6 ot 7
months.
My wife would like something to keep info on at work.  I have tried
resetting
it according to the manual, (I have seen several other procedures at
club 100, I think I have tried them all). but no dice.
It is getting power with and AC adapter with center negative
(I can do the contrast on the screen until it gets all the
way dark).

Is there something I'm missing?

Thanks in advance,
Kevin


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Testing to see if alias works.....


Kevin Jackson


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I got your message! Thank you very much for calling me. If you want you can
reach me at benevia@wwa.com

I would like the DeskLink on a 3.5in. And the connector to be 9x10. That is
if the connector numbers 9 and 10 denote millimeters and if computers only
have one or the other. I do have a 9mm by 10mm port with 5 prongs on top
with 4 prongs on the bottom.

If I have misunderstood you let me know! Looking forward to all of this fun
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Matthew

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I am very sorry for accidentally sending my order to the mailing list. It
was due to a misnomer in my address book. Won't happen again.

Sorry again

Matthew


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I found a couple of printers for sale and was wonder if either the "Epson
LX-810" or the "Epson Action Printer 5000-ESC P2 Epson" would work with a
Model 100.

Any info on this or printers in general would be great!

Matthew


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On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Matthew S. Whitlock wrote:

> I found a couple of printers for sale and was wonder if either the "Epson
> LX-810" or the "Epson Action Printer 5000-ESC P2 Epson" would work with a
> Model 100.
> 
> Any info on this or printers in general would be great!
> 
> Matthew
> 
Sure, as long as they're standard line printers they'll work fine. You may
need to mess around with the CR/LF stuff, tho

Kevin


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On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Matthew S. Whitlock wrote:

> I found a couple of printers for sale and was wonder if either the
> "Epson LX-810" or the "Epson Action Printer 5000-ESC P2 Epson" would
> work with a Model 100.  Any info on this or printers in general would be
> great!  Matthew

Generating line feeds will be your first issue.  The LX-810 has dip
switches, I believe -- one that controls the LF.  Check your manual.  I
don't know about the other printer.  In any case, you might want to check
the Club 100 Library's "Print" category for line feed programs, as well as
full print formatting utilities.  You'll be surprised what you find in the
library.

In the mean time, I've attached the famous LFUTL.BA file (in .do format)
to the end of this message.  -Rick @ Club 100-

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 0 ' FLUTL.BA - By Phil Wheeler
 1 'A "universal" Line Feed Utility which implements Hugo Ferreyra's
FIXLF.HF1 and Don Corbitt's TELCOM linefeed patch
 2 'in a single, menu-driven utility. It is a module of my current
on-board Utility program, hence the structure.
 3 'Note that FIXLF.HF1 is copyrighted by Hugo, and released "for
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 4 '                Phil Wheeler:4/14/84
 5 '
 6 GOTO8
 7 MAXFILES=1:CLEAR256,MAXRAM:DATE$=LEFT$(DATE$,6)+"84":MENU
 8
CLS:RV$=CHR$(27)+"p":NO$=CHR$(27)+"q":A=64228:B=63066:KEY8,"Menu"+CHR$(13)+CHR$(254)+CHR$(13)+CHR$(245)+CHR$(62)+CHR$(10)+CHR$(204)+CHR$(63)+CHR$(109)+CHR$(241)+CHR$(201):PRINT:PRINT"Select
Option:":PRINT:PRINT,"P)rnt LF",,"C)omm LF",,"T)op Menu"
 9 ONINSTR("pPcCtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO10,10,15,15,7,7:GOTO9
 10 CLS:F$=" Off ":P=PEEK(A)+256*PEEK(A+1):IFP=63615THENF$=" On "
 11 PRINT:PRINT"Printer
LF"RV$F$NO$:PRINT:PRINT,"E)nable",,"D)isable",,"T)op Menu"
 12 ONINSTR("eEdDtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO13,13,14,14,7,7:GOTO12
 13 POKEA,127:POKEA+1,248:GOTO10
 14 POKEA,243:POKEA+1,127:GOTO10
 15 CLS:F$=" Off ":IFPEEK(B)<>0THENF$=" On "
 16 PRINT:PRINT"Upload
LF"RV$F$NO$:PRINT:PRINT,"E)nable",,"D)isable",,"T)op Menu"
 17 ONINSTR("eEdDtT",INPUT$(1))GOTO18,18,19,19,7,7:GOTO17
 18 POKEB,1:GOTO15
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I need anyone and everyone's help!
My 102 won't turn on!  It worked as earlier this year...
but now, when I turn it on, it doesn't beep...but I can use
the 'disp' dial to darken the contrast...so I know it is getting power.
Could a dead internal battery do this?  Or is it possibly something
more serious?  I have tried a cold-restart...and many variations
there of...hold the reset while turning it on..holding control-break and
then
reset...holding shift-ctrl-break then reset...all to no avail.

Any ideas?  Any and all suggestios welcome.

Thanks!

Kevin


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Does anyone know how the specifics for accessing the CPU of the Tandy Disk
Drive.  Years ago when I had the Technical Reference Manual, there was a
section which had the full set of commands for the TDD, including ones to dump
the registers, read and write to the memory (including the 2k byte RAM) and
run a program.  I just think that there are some interesting possibilities
here.  

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Couple of terminal questions:

In the M100 built-in Telcom program, about how much memory
is available for a download or log of session (for 24k ram)?

Does someone know what call could be made within a basic terminal
program to set a custom baud rate lower than the usual 75 baud?

Hank

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It WAS a piece of plastic. One of three black cube shaped ones had separated 
from the print for the keyboard.

Thanks for all the advices on how to split the Tandy - and on how to make a 
null modem cable.

Tom
www.sp.dk/~tom


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Thought I'd post here before sending the thing off for auction on eBay:

I have a Model 100, 24k RAM, printer cable, null modem cable 25m-25f, AC
adapter with proper polarity/voltage, cheesy vinyl tandy velcro slipcover,
and the drew blanchar collection on 3.5 DOS disk. I would prefer to sell it
to a true enthusiast - please make me an offer. If anyone wants it, I will
throw in a Tandy DMP120 which I got for free - but it's heavy so it will add
to the shipping.
I get a pretty good discount on UPS if I ship it from work, it probably
would cost about twelve dollars insured from 74145 to just about anywhere in
the US.

The screen occasionally does this weird self-contrast adjustment thing
(fades light to dark to light) - there was a question on the list recently
concerning this type of thing, but I missed the answer. It probably does
this about five to ten percent of the time - it doesn't affect operation,
just visibility. It is kind of a pain.
Some people seemed to think a thorough cleaning might be the fix (dirty
contrast knob connectors, or something). But it *is* a fault...

I will guarantee the machine is fully operational, including all keys, the
speaker, the rs232, etcetera - the only problem being the screen thing I
mention above.

It is a nice, clean unit, no yellowing, one scratch. Let me know if you're
interested.

Thanks,

Matt


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Hank Riley wrote:
> Does someone know what call could be made within a basic terminal
> program to set a custom baud rate lower than the usual 75 baud?

Lower?  Wow.

I've set it higher.  And last night I located the code in the ROM that
sets the timer reload values for each baud rate, as I was trying to make
sure that 4800 baud really was 4800 baud.  I was talking to a PIC
microcontroller with my Tandy 102.

There is no simple CALL that I know of that will do this.

Go look for a MIDI program with source code for M100/102, examine the
calculations, and see if it is practical to adjust it for a lower baud
rate.  MIDI uses a thirty-something thousand baud rate.

Precaution; the lower the baud rate, the larger the timer reload value
has to be.  There may be insufficient room for the larger value.

On my Tandy 102, at 0x6e94, in the ROM, is the table ...

;
; Baud rate generator frequency table
;
;       1       0x4800    75
;       2       0x456b    110
;       3       0x4200    300
;       4       0x4100    600
;       5       0x4080    1200
;       6       0x4040    2400
;       7       0x4020    4800
;       8       0x4010    9600
;       9       0x4008    19200
;

Mask out the 0x4000 value.  Check the data sheets for the parallel
interface chip ... I'm not sure how many bits are available for the
reload value ...

	0100 1000 0000 0000	= 0x4800	(75 baud)
	4    8    0    0

Might be another two then.

I do know that using the timer for MIDI results in a significant error
from the centre frequency of the standard MIDI rate.  But most devices
seem to handle this fine.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH,
COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers,
Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control,
Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband.

"Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 MwalimuB@aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone know how the specifics for accessing the CPU of the Tandy
> Disk Drive.  Years ago when I had the Technical Reference Manual, there
> was a section which had the full set of commands for the TDD, including
> ones to dump the registers, read and write to the memory (including the
> 2k byte RAM) and run a program.  I just think that there are some
> interesting possibilities here. 

I believe that the information you are looking for is in the Club 100
library.  Look in both the "Technical Reference" and "Drives" categories.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
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Took my son to see the 'Noles season opener at the Civic Center a week
ago Friday.

Saw that one of the reporters at the press table was using a 102.

Asked him about it.

Turns out the he was sent up here by the Orlando Sentinal to cover the
game.  Said that he didn't know anything about the computer...management
just gave it to him and told him how to use it.  He composes his story
on the computer and files it with the built in modem.  Asked the
reporter about what software he was using (asked him if it was a
Sardine)...he said he didn't know.  Asked him if he knew how old his
computer was....he said he didn't know....it came out of a pool.  Was I
being given the brush off?

Very Interesting.........

Henry


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No sir, Henry.  You were not given the brush off.  What you experienced
from the sports journalist was "reality" -- even 15 years after the
introduction of the Model 100. 

You're in FL and I am in CA ... 3,000 miles appart but that doesn't
matter, my friend.  Our country (our world) is low tech.  That's the
bottom line.  Model "T" computing is still relivent worldwide because the
fundamental needs are covered -- and newspapers are one of those
industries that still use hundreds of thousands of Model 100s and 102s
because of this fact. 

And my last comment before dinner, this fine Sunday evening, is: 
Unfortunately you asked a sports journalist questions and expected ansers. 
That's like trying to get a pig to sing.  It's a waste of your time and
upsets the pig. 

Oh my goodness ... open mouth, insert foot ... am I going to catch hell
for that one or what?  -Rick-


On Sun, 22 Nov 1998, Henry Freedenberg wrote:

> Took my son to see the 'Noles season opener at the Civic Center a week
> ago Friday.
> 
> Saw that one of the reporters at the press table was using a 102.
> 
> Asked him about it.
> 
> Turns out the he was sent up here by the Orlando Sentinal to cover the
> game.  Said that he didn't know anything about the computer...management
> just gave it to him and told him how to use it.  He composes his story
> on the computer and files it with the built in modem.  Asked the
> reporter about what software he was using (asked him if it was a
> Sardine)...he said he didn't know.  Asked him if he knew how old his
> computer was....he said he didn't know....it came out of a pool.  Was I
> being given the brush off?
> 
> Very Interesting.........
> 
> Henry
> 
> 


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Hello. I posted a message offering an M100 for sale on the list earlier. It
has been sold - strangely, I'm off into obsolete powerbooks now instead.
Anyway, thanks for the replies. Sorry if anyone found the "for sale" post
inappropriate - won't happen again. (Heh heh)
Enjoy the continued support the Model 100 receives - there are many other
machines out there that don't get it. Recognize those who are in it for the
long haul, too - they are the ones who will keep the machines viable for a
long time to come. (I can think of one person in specific who is something
of a "driving force" in doing so)

- Matt


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In mail, H1RILEY@umassd.edu writes:

> Couple of terminal questions:
>
> In the M100 built-in Telcom program, about how much memory
> is available for a download or log of session (for 24k ram)?
>
> Does someone know what call could be made within a basic terminal
> program to set a custom baud rate lower than the usual 75 baud?

You'll have to "out" the proper value to the port address of the UART's
baud rate divisor. Actually, you have to load the LSB of the divisor at
one address and the MSB at the next address.

The clock frequency of 115200 Hz is divided by the divisor to get the
bit rate. So the rates you can actually get are rather limited.

In fact, here's a *complete* list of all the "exact" rates you can get.
Note that for rates above 320, just swap the sides of the table (ie for
a rate of 360, you need a divisor of 320, etc).

divisor	rate	divisor	rate	divisor	rate
-------	----	-------	----	-------	----
    360	 320	   1200	 96	   4800	 24
    384	 300	   1280	 90	   5760	 20
    400	 288	   1440	 80	   6400	 18
    450	 256	   1536	 75	   7200	 16
    480	 240	   1600	 72	   7680	 15
    512	 225	   1800	 64	   9600	 12
    576	 200	   1920	 60	  11520	 10
    600	 192	   2304	 50	  12800	  9
    640	 180	   2400	 48	  14400	  8
    720	 160	   2560	 45	  19200	  6
    768	 150	   2880	 40	  23040	  5
    800	 144	   3200	 36	  28800	  4
    900	 128	   3600	 32	  38400	  3
    960	 120	   3840	 30	  57600	  2
   1152	 100	   4608	 25	 115200	  1

On CIS there used to be a program for setting your 100 to 450 bps and
then running in TELCOM. But I can't find my copy...

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote:

> On CIS there used to be a program for setting your 100 to 450 bps and
> then running in TELCOM. But I can't find my copy...

It's in the Club 100 Library, in the Telcom category under the name
FSTMDM.BA and FSTMDM.DO for the documentation.  The file has been in our
library since June 30, 1988 -- what's this about CIS? :-)

-Rick @ Club 100-


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In mail, thedock@value.net writes:

> No sir, Henry.  You were not given the brush off.  What you experienced
> from the sports journalist was "reality" -- even 15 years after the
> introduction of the Model 100. 
>
> You're in FL and I am in CA ... 3,000 miles appart but that doesn't
> matter, my friend.  Our country (our world) is low tech.  That's the
> bottom line.  Model "T" computing is still relivent worldwide because the
> fundamental needs are covered -- and newspapers are one of those
> industries that still use hundreds of thousands of Model 100s and 102s
> because of this fact. 

And given this large market, I'm just *amazed* that Tandy quit
producing the 100 line. I could see making revisions to lower
production costs, but just *dropping* it?  No way.

I rather suspect that if one could acquire the rights, a M100 clone
could be produced *very* cheaply these days. The most expensive part is
the LCD display. And they can't cost *that* much. 

I can see papers being quite quite willing to pay a coupe of hundred
bucks for M100 "workalike" systems. 

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
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Hank Riley  wrote:
> Does someone know what call could be made within a basic
> terminal program to set a custom baud rate lower than the
> usual 75 baud?


Hi Hank.  Use the BASIC subroutine code below in lines 10 to 59.
0 'Use OPEN"COM:?????" or other means
1 'to initialize UART at any Baud.
2 'Then use GOSUB10 to alter the Baud.
4 GOSUB10'Change timer for new Baud
9 END
10 BP=-117'Timer control word addr link
12 UL=8*19200'Upper Limit
14 LL=UL/(2^14-1)'Lower Limit
20 PRINTLL"to"UL;:INPUT"Baud";B
22 IF LL>BORB>ULTHENBEEP:GOTO20
30 'Timer control word range:
31 ' 2^14+1 at Upper Limit
32 ' 2^15-1 at Lower Limit
34 T%=2^14+UL/B'Timer word
40 'Put addr of timer word to addr -117
42 VP=VARPTR(T%)+2^16'addr of the word
44 POKEBP+1,VP/256'the Hi part
45 POKEBP,VP-256*PEEK(BP+1)'the Lo part
50 'Engage new Baud
52 CALL28291'standard ROM in Model 10x
59 RETURN'Done



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Leonard Erickson wrote:
> The clock frequency of 115200 Hz is divided by the divisor to get the
> bit rate. So the rates you can actually get are rather limited.

Rather limited?  There are 16384 rates available.  Bits 7 and 6 of the
MSB are timer mode selection bits, leaving only 14 bits.  7.03168 baud
is the lowest you can get.  Use it for smoke signals.

3156 will give you closes match to 36.5 baud, Hank.

10% error is normally quite acceptable.  Add another stop bit to make it
even more acceptable.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Leonard Erickson wrote:

> And given this large market, I'm just *amazed* that Tandy quit producing
> the 100 line. I could see making revisions to lower production costs,
> but just *dropping* it?  No way. 

Man-o-man do I understand that argument.  During those last days when we
all heard that the line was discontinued, your comments were voiced by
many.  But as I recall, there was more request for the "new DOS/Windows" 
laptops -- good or bad -- than there was for the Model 100 line.

Then too, over the years I've run into issues involving concerns that the
older tech will not be around when it comes replacemnt time, or that for
whatever reason, people want to alwasy have the latest things.  And
another one is in part politically motivated and part sheer ignorance,
wherein the head of a department does not understand the dynamics of
the equipment, nor looks at the processing methods and bigger picture but
rather sees only "old stuff" that can't possible be any good.

The results of that last statement brings me lots of equipment -- and yet
this morning it happened again.  I recived a fax from a research firm
where in the new manager said to the assistant, dump all that old Tandy
stuff, including all those Model 102s, in the trash.  And she meant the
trash, literally!  Luckely, the assistant said something like, "There's
got to be a need for these" and did a search for someone who would "take" 
them off their hands.  As soon as her fax came in I got on the horn and
called this person this morning just before tripping into San Francisco to
tape some radio commercials.  To make a long story short, the only person
who responded was me -- she's sending everything my way for the cost of
the UPS ground shipping.  Apparently there a mess of Model 102, some disk
drives and a bunch of cables and manuals.

This is why I've said, time and time again, this stuff is out there!  It's
in your own back yard, world wide.  There is a demand.  There is money to
be made.  And, best of all, there are only a few of us chatting about this
in this listserv.  You guys/gals are an elite group with a special
knowledge -- and I mean elite!

> I rather suspect that if one could acquire the rights, a M100 clone
> could be produced *very* cheaply these days. The most expensive part is
> the LCD display. And they can't cost *that* much. 
> 
> I can see papers being quite quite willing to pay a coupe of hundred
> bucks for M100 "workalike" systems. 

We've had many discussion about building the "next generation" Model 100
but it's been just talk.  I've even called Ed Juge, director of market
planning for Tandy (now retired) and discussed it with him.  The numbers
get to you.  Not counting research and development costs, let's say you
make a minimum production run of 35,000 units at $50 each.  Do the math --
that's US$1,750,000.  Then there's distribution, etc., etc.  Remember,
Tandy did about 6,000,000 units total.

Now I can't handle "that" amount and I definately wouldn't shoulder the
entire nut but if anyone can put together a syndicate for about $10 to $15
million then we might want to talk this through a bit more.  Anything less
and I am not interested -- cause there won't be enough bucks in the
project to make it fly.  And money has been the stopping point of all the
discussion up to this point.

Oh well...!  -Rick-


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Always check out the used book sales, friends of the library events, used
book stores, hamfests, etc. when you want a book on the Model T computers.
The last time I saw a copy of the Waite Group's "Hidden Powers..." book
was maybe 5 years ago at a great used book store in St. Pete, FL. I forget
the name ... begins with an H, I believe. Anyway, I'm prepping for a
couple of terms reading and writing about gender, morality, and the novel
so I've been checking out the book stores for copies of Gilbert/Gruber's
feminist series, Virginia Woolf's novels/diaries, etc. What do I find? A
M100 owner's manual, Hidden Powers, Mastering BASIC on the M100, and a
subroutines book for the M100. $2 for the whole thing. With all that, I
quickly looked for some Levanthal texts, but nope -- those four were the
haul. Moral: the library is your friend ... and can be your M100's friend,
too.

I had to tell someone.

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
Tandy 1100FD  ! Art is not a study of positive reality; it is the
NEC PC-8201A  ! seeking for ideal truth.
Tandy 102     !                            -- George Sand



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Your book adventure was excellent!  Nice going!!!


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thedock@value.net wrote:
> And another one is in part politically motivated and part sheer
> ignorance, wherein the head of a department does not understand the
> dynamics of the equipment, nor looks at the processing methods and
> bigger picture but rather sees only "old stuff" that can't possible
> be any good.

One I often see involves annual budgets.  Each year a larger budget must be
requested -- lest a department appear to be diminishing.  After needed
items are included, the unneeded items emerge.  These items then "replace
old" items -- budgetary obsolescence.



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Haslam's book store (new and used)
2025 central ave., st. pete, FL 33713
727.822.8616
http://www.haslams.com

the place is gigantic - it looks like a few buildings stuck together all
full of books.  in st. pete (where i live) it is the place to go for books.
i think it's one of our tourist attractions.  when i get a chance i'll see
what they have and post any interesting titles.  i didn't see any book
listings on their web page, but if you know a title you can call them.  they
are family owned.  whenever i visit there are lots of employees there to
help you find stuff.  i'm pretty sure they will ship books.

sam

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Always check out the used book sales, friends of the library events, used
book stores, hamfests, etc. when you want a book on the Model T computers.
The last time I saw a copy of the Waite Group's "Hidden Powers..." book
was maybe 5 years ago at a great used book store in St. Pete, FL. I forget
the name ... begins with an H, I believe. Anyway, I'm prepping for a
couple of terms reading and writing about gender, morality, and the novel
so I've been checking out the book stores for copies of Gilbert/Gruber's
feminist series, Virginia Woolf's novels/diaries, etc. What do I find? A
M100 owner's manual, Hidden Powers, Mastering BASIC on the M100, and a
subroutines book for the M100. $2 for the whole thing. With all that, I
quickly looked for some Levanthal texts, but nope -- those four were the
haul. Moral: the library is your friend ... and can be your M100's friend,
too.

I had to tell someone.

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
Tandy 1100FD  ! Art is not a study of positive reality; it is the
NEC PC-8201A  ! seeking for ideal truth.
Tandy 102     !                            -- George Sand




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In mail, cameron@stl.dec.com writes:

> Leonard Erickson wrote:
>> The clock frequency of 115200 Hz is divided by the divisor to get the
>> bit rate. So the rates you can actually get are rather limited.
>
> Rather limited?  There are 16384 rates available.  Bits 7 and 6 of the
> MSB are timer mode selection bits, leaving only 14 bits.  7.03168 baud
> is the lowest you can get.  Use it for smoke signals.

Well, I was referring to the number of "exact integer" rates available.
There are only 85 of those available. :-)

-- 
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Thanks for all the responses...I tried them, to no avail.
I'm wondering if the 8C085 has gone bad and how much
it would cost to replace it...but then, if it isn't bad..then what?


Kevin


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Kevin and Laura Jackson wrote:
> Thanks for all the responses...I tried them, to no avail.

I couldn't find any, so I don't know what has been suggested.

> I'm wondering if the 8C085 has gone bad and how much
> it would cost to replace it...but then, if it isn't bad..then what?

The most reliable supplier of chips in the USA that I have encountered
is http://www.digikey.com/ but they do not list the 80C85 or 8085.  It
is probably too old for them.

The processor is the least likely of the components to fail, in my
opinion.

If you don't have skills in the technology, see if you can find someone
who does.  It is possible to make the problem worse if you don't know
how to protect the equipment once it is opened.

However, the possibilities for failure are endless, and I would list a
few them in order of probability for the symptoms and unit history you
describe ...

	- static RAM "memory" battery (90%)
	- static RAM power switch (75%)
	- expansion ROM socket (70%)
	- memory socket (65%)
	- external bus connector (65%)
	- internal 5V supply bus (65%)
	- internal low voltage detection circuit (65%)
	- expansion ROM (55%)
	- barcode reader connector (55%)
	- printed circuit board (55%)
	- memory chip (40%)
	- CPU chip (30%)
	- CPU oscillator (25%)

Further diagnosis would involve monitoring the various external and
internal signals of the unit using simple test equipment.

If you have a digital multimeter you can test the memory battery without
opening the case ... it involves opening the rear hatch that contains
the memory expansion sockets.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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-----Original Message-----
From: James Cameron 
To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List 
Cc: Kevin and Laura Jackson 
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 15:17 PM
Subject: Re: Desperate


>Kevin and Laura Jackson wrote:
>> Thanks for all the responses...I tried them, to no avail.
>
>I couldn't find any, so I don't know what has been suggested.
>
>> I'm wondering if the 8C085 has gone bad and how much
>> it would cost to replace it...but then, if it isn't bad..then what?
>
>The most reliable supplier of chips in the USA that I have encountered
>is http://www.digikey.com/ but they do not list the 80C85 or 8085.  It
>is probably too old for them.
>
>The processor is the least likely of the components to fail, in my
>opinion.
>
>If you don't have skills in the technology, see if you can find someone
>who does.  It is possible to make the problem worse if you don't know
>how to protect the equipment once it is opened.
>
>However, the possibilities for failure are endless, and I would list a
>few them in order of probability for the symptoms and unit history you
>describe ...
>
> - static RAM "memory" battery (90%)
> - static RAM power switch (75%)
> - expansion ROM socket (70%)
> - memory socket (65%)
> - external bus connector (65%)
> - internal 5V supply bus (65%)
> - internal low voltage detection circuit (65%)
> - expansion ROM (55%)
> - barcode reader connector (55%)
> - printed circuit board (55%)
> - memory chip (40%)
> - CPU chip (30%)
> - CPU oscillator (25%)
>
>Further diagnosis would involve monitoring the various external and
>internal signals of the unit using simple test equipment.
>
>If you have a digital multimeter you can test the memory battery without
>opening the case ... it involves opening the rear hatch that contains
>the memory expansion sockets.
>
>--
>James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)
>
>OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH,
>COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers,
>Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control,
>Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband.
>
>"Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

I enjoy reading all of this e-mail even if I have been lucky enough to not
have these problems.  Just a little info on getting parts fairly easy.

Try http://www.jameco.com/
Part # 51705 -- Product # 80C85 -- Description IC, 80C85 -- $5.95

I hope this may be of assistance.

George C. Gates


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> > I'm wondering if the 8C085 has gone bad and how much
> > it would cost to replace it...but then, if it isn't bad..then what?
> 
> The most reliable supplier of chips in the USA that I have encountered
> is http://www.digikey.com/ but they do not list the 80C85 or 8085.  It
> is probably too old for them.
I talked to someone today who worked for Intel (he was visiting his old
Biology teacher, my current teacher) and I asked him about the 80C85. He
says that they're no longer being made and didn't know where to get them.

Oh, and if you're wondering what happened to all of those Pentium chips
with the FPU bug in them, he showed me his keychain-- they filed all the
pins off and removed the outer covering so you could actually see the
core--then polished the topside with Gold and wrote Employee of the Month
on it :)

Kevin


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Well, I went to the Jameco site and saw them.
He's right, only $5.95.  They even have 4 diagrams/schematics
of the chip.  Pretty good tech if anyone is interested.

Thanks for all the response, everyone.
Anyone else know of a good 'fix'?

Thanks in advance,
Kevin


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From: James Cameron 
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This is for Kevin, but I thought I'd share it.

This is how to test the voltage on the Tandy 102 internal NiCd battery
that powers the memory chips and the clock chip.  Some types of failure
of this battery result in a blank screen on power-up.

I have in front of me the relevant portion of the schematic and a
picture of the expansion bay at the rear of the unit.  I'll attach
them.  I made them small.

You will need;
	- digital or analog volt meter (or multimeter set to read volts),
	- a flat blade screwdriver or small coin,
	- good light,
	- steady hand,
	- pen and paper.

Here's what to do;

0) disconnect the unit from power and remove the batteries, (not for any
safety reasons, only so that the measurement excludes the charging
current),

1) use the flat blade screwdriver or a small coin to lever up the
expansion bay cover plate,

2) observe the contents of the bay; there are three sockets, one of
which is larger than the other two.  They are numbered on the printed
circuit board as M7, M6 and M11.  The photograph shows them in this
order.  They are expansion RAM (M7, M6) and option ROM (M11).

3) identify the pin numbering scheme ... pin one is top left in the
photograph, and the numbers run from top left to bottom left, then move
from bottom right to top right.  Anticlockwise as seen from above,
starting from the notch or dot on the chip face.  The PCB probably has
the numbers at the corners marked.

4) carefully, without touching the probes to more than one pin at a
time, measure the voltage between pin 28 (positive) and pin 12
(negative) of M7 or M6, and write it down.  If you have an empty socket
in M7 or M6 (24k or 16k machine) then this will be easier.

5) turn off the memory switch and measure the voltage; it should be
zero.

6) turn the memory switch back on, turn the power back on to the unit,
wait about 30 seconds, and measure the voltage again.

7) restore everything.

Now, the voltage of the battery should be about 1.2 x 3, or 3.6 volts. 
It can be as high as 5.5 volts without me worrying, but if it is below
3.0 volts I'd consider it a problem.

Also, the voltage should increase with the power connected, because the
AA batteries or DC adaptor will be passing a charging current to the
battery.  If the memory switch is faulty, then the charging current
could be missing and the voltage will read the same.

The memory switch is also in the path of the supply, according to the
schematic, so having it off should result in absolutely no response from
the unit at all.

Summary:

Measurement at step 4 above is the battery voltage under load,
	if zero, the memory switch is broken or off,
	if less than 3.0 volts, the battery may be faulty,

Measurement at step 5 above is the chip voltage without battery,
	if greater than zero, either the power is on or the memory
	switch is broken in the "on" state,

Measurement at step 6 above is the battery voltage under charge,
	if zero, the memory switch is broken or off,
	if less than 3.0 volts, the battery may be faulty,

The difference between step 4 and step 6 is the charge increase,
	if zero difference, the battery may not be taking charge.


Another check that can be made is to measure the voltage of the main
logic voltage regulator circuit.  This is easiest done by measuring the
voltage between pin 9 (+5V) and pin 5 (GND) of the bar code reader
socket.  This should be between 4.75V and 5.25V if all is nominal.


-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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Once upon a midnight dreary, George C. GATES had spoken clearly:

[snip]

>I enjoy reading all of this e-mail even if I have been lucky enough to not
>have these problems.  Just a little info on getting parts fairly easy.
>
>Try http://www.jameco.com/
>Part # 51705 -- Product # 80C85 -- Description IC, 80C85 -- $5.95

I've ordered from Jameco and have never been "burned," but I do need to
warn you that (last I checked) Jameco had a $30 or $50 minimum order (they
charge an extra $5 I think if you order less).... hey, here's a Jameco
catalog...

[checking]

They've changed... here's what they say (and I quote):

No Minimum Order  (in bold)
Please add $5 for all orders less than $20.

=================

Again, Jameco is a very good place to buy from *if* you have a minimum amount.

Another place you can try is BG Micro. I've ordered from them numerous
times and have had great service, (again, last I checked / ordered) didn't
have a minimum order, and they do carry a pretty large stock of chips, etc.

(Incidentially, they have the low-power 32K chips I hacked into my T200
sockets... ;-)

They can be found at http://www.bgmicro.com/

[checking]

They say they offer online ordering now, and they have a large stock of
chips that are very inexpensive... along with many other things (LEDs,
kits, etc.)...

Their catalog is available in .txt & .pdf formats, too.

Dunno if they have what you need, but they're worth checking out!

HTH,
"Merch"

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From kevindj@toast.net Sat Nov 28 00:20:15 1998
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James (and everyone else interested),
Thanks for the instructions.  I measured and this is what I got:

1) no batteries, memory switch on:  3.4 V

2) no batteries, memory switch off: 0V

3) Switch back on, turning unit on waiting 30 secs : 3.4 V (so, internal 
isn't charging?..but how could it with no AA batteries in it?)
(I checked again, after having AA's in for over an hour, then removing
them and checking with switch on: 3.4V a little above...maybe 3.45)

4) Batteries back in unit on: 3.8V 
5) Batteris in, unit off: 3.8V
Now, here is the interesting thing.... good batteries and unit on:
voltage between pin 9 and pin _7_ (gnd) is 5.2V
voltaget between pin 2 (+) and pin 7 is 4.4V.
I'm perplexed.

Thanks again for the instructions and good diagrams.
So, do you think the internal battery is not charging....or?

Kevin


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Charles Peklenk wrote:
> Great work, James.  The schematic fragment you sent, though, looks like
> it's for the Model 100.  The 102's 8K RAM chips have only one ground,
> at pin 14.

Oops.

I'll try to refine the procedure at home using my actual machines.

Anyone got a Tandy 102 schematic that I can have a copy of?

-- 
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Kevin and Laura Jackson wrote:
> 1) no batteries, memory switch on:  3.4 V

Internal NiCd battery is healthy.

> 2) no batteries, memory switch off: 0V

Switch is working fine.

> 4) Batteries back in unit on: 3.8V

Charging circuit working fine.

> 5) Batteris in, unit off: 3.8V

Battery shows good retention of the charging voltage.

> Now, here is the interesting thing.... good batteries and unit on:
> voltage between pin 9 and pin _7_ (gnd) is 5.2V
> voltaget between pin 2 (+) and pin 7 is 4.4V.
> I'm perplexed.

Bar code reader port?  Wrong pins, I think.  Use pin 9 and pin 5.

Pin 2 is the input data line, pin 9 is the 5V supply, pins 5 and 7 are
grounded.  So the 5.2V looks fine, and the 4.4V is not relevant.

Conclusion: your battery is fine, and your power supply circuit is fine.

You have something else wrong.

-- 
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From: vanalst@ix.netcom.com (Wilson Van Alst)
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:15:12 GMT
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On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:33:22 -0500, you wrote:

>
>Thanks for all the responses...I tried them, to no avail.
>I'm wondering if the 8C085 has gone bad and how much
>it would cost to replace it...but then, if it isn't bad..then what?
>
Kevin,

I didn't see the range of other suggestions, but here's my
"boilerplate" to-do list for a dead member of the M100 family:


Before you pull the case apart, try the following:

1.  Remove the batteries.
2.  Turn off the Memory Power switch on the bottom of the machine.
3.  Remove any chip installed in the Option ROM socket (under one of
the trap doors on the bottom of the case).
4.  Remove any RAM expansion module -- or anything else --  installed
in the System Bus socket (under another trap door).
5.  Let the machine sit in this condition overnight.
6.  Turn on the Memory Power switch.
7.  Attach a known-to-be good AC power supply.
8.  Turn on the main power switch and see what happens.

If you still have the same condition, it's time to open the case.  But
before you start thinking about hardware replacement, you should:

1.  Remove and re-seat the RAM modules.
2.  Disconnect and re-connect any ribbon connectors you can find.
3.  Get rid of any debris, dirt, etc. inside the case.

Put things back together and re-test as above.

In my experience, most sudden M100 crashes/lockups have come from
flakey connections in the Option ROM socket.  It just seems that the
socket prongs and ROM connector strips get corroded over time, and for
reasons I've never understood, this can lock up the machine even when
you aren't using OptROM software at the time.  Removing and re-seating
the ROM is usually enough to get the electrons flowing again.  Some
people recommend burnishing the contacts with a pencil eraser or emery
stick, but I don't know how much this really helps.  I think a =3Dlight=3D
wipedown with WD40 might be even better.  [Obviously, if you don't
have an Option ROM installed, this part doesnt' apply to you!]

Let me know how you make out.

Van


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Wilson Van Alst wrote:
> In my experience, most sudden M100 crashes/lockups have come from
> flakey connections in the Option ROM socket.  It just seems that the
> socket prongs and ROM connector strips get corroded over time, and for
> reasons I've never understood, this can lock up the machine even when
> you aren't using OptROM software at the time.

Explanation: during power-up, the main ROM detects the existence of a
signature in the option ROM, pulls out a code block, and executes it. 
Almost any open circuit or short in the option ROM address or data bus
lines will cause strange behaviour, such as a lock-up.

> Some people recommend burnishing the contacts with a pencil eraser or
> emery stick, but I don't know how much this really helps.

I advise against this.  The contacts had a good flat surface to start
with, if you rub it with a pencil eraser the surface becomes pitted at
the microscopic level, and increases the surface area and decreases the
contact area.

I would use a cleaning alcohol; the type that leaves no residue.

-- 
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On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, James McDonald wrote:

> I've been using a TRS-80 Model 102 for about 6 months (to prepare rough
> summary notes from business meetings), and I recently aquired a Model
> 100 for my pre-schooler to use (basic educational programs).  The memory
> on both machines are beginning to create a problem.  What inexpensive
> way would you suggest to expand the RAM by another 32 K or so? 

Hold that thought, James.  I'm going to read into your question a bit,
since you are absolutely NOT the first to raise the issue of "more power",
as Tim Allen likes to grunt out on the TV show, "Tool Time." 

Remember this: The power of personal computing is not
               vested solely in the attributes of the
               hardware or software but in the skills
               and knowledge of the individual.

Based on the above, rethink your patterns and devices of use.  Here are
some facts to consider as you look to expanding your use of this
technology. 

Note: At the Club 100 web site, please refer to the "Library"
      "Whole Enchilada" "RAM and Storage Options".  Also
      refer to "Catalog" "The HOT Setup".

1) Just as using different gear ratios is the cheapest way
   to increase power to the ground in an automobile, using
   digital storage is the cheapest way to increase capasity
   in computer use.  In other words, in stead of looking to
   bigger RAM to solve your problem, incorporate a tpdd or
   tpdd2 or another computer's drives for data storage --
   keeping only that data in your computer that you need
   at that time. 

2a) The Model 100 and 102 are designed around an 8-bit processor,
    and an 8-bit processor can access 2^8, or 64K of address space
    and that is all!  The design splits the 64K into 32K of RAM
    and 32K of ROM. 

2b) All the RAM you could possibly address, even if you have
    a megabyte available, is 32K at one time.  Period.  Thus,
    should you add RAM add-on devices, those devices will
    allow you to access banks of 32K each -- non contiguous.

Two considerations you should explore are:

1) Incorporate a storage device(s) (tpdd, tpdd2, another computer)
   into your processing methods. 

2) If you also need/want more RAM (banks) choose a extRAM or XR4.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
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 Van,

Thanks for the 'boilerplate'.  I tried it all...still nothing.
I do appreciate your time, tho.  I saved your e-mail for future
reference.  Actually, I'm saving everyone's suggestions, I know
I'll be able to pass them on.

Kevin


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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Peklenk <72365.1725@compuserve.com>
To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com 
Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 11:00 PM
Subject: 102 troubleshooting #2


Charles,

>It didn't beep in the beep test - I assume?
No beeps.

>Have you tried both AC and batteries?  Sometimes one works, but not the
other,
>due to a broken DC power jack.

Yep, I've tried both batteries and AC adapter....and a cold start using both
power sources.



Soldering still looks good (screen can contrast with both power sources..
see below)
VDD = 5.15V
VEE= -5.2V
(I used points marked 'negative' (ground) near the test points, make a
difference?
... I didn't see your pin 14 on ROM M12 instruction... I may just test again
to be sure... I will let you know if there is a change)


I can contrast the screen all the way dark and light with power.


Pin 36 to Gnd ~ 4.8V

And again, I can't thank you (and everyone else) enough for taking your time
to help!

One last thought, I was struck with the simplicity of the 102 when I had it
apart.  Such good, solid construction.  Truly a wonder.




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G'day,

----------
> From: James Cameron 
> To: Tandy Model 100 Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: Desperate
> Date: Tuesday, 1 December 1998 10:40
> 

> 
> I would use a cleaning alcohol; the type that leaves no residue.

Most pharmacies here in Australia sell this as "De-Natured Alcohol" - any
(most) water has been removed. It is ideal for cleaning the heads of tape
drive units (using cotton-buds/q-tips to apply), although I wouldn't
recommend it for VCR's ;')

hth,

H

> 
> -- 
> James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)
> 
> OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH,
> COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers,
> Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control,
                                            ^^^^^^ {snicker}
> Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband.
> 
> "Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

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On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 wbeverly@csc.com wrote:

> A net-friend informed me he has the modification to run nicad batteries
> on his M100, will same modifications work on a M200?!?!? 

I'm passing this meassage onto the gang on our listserv as well as to you
so you others may be able to assist.

The "type" of power doesn't matter as long as it's 6v dc 400ma wired to a
negative center plug (5.5mm od, 2.1mm id).  The "only" problem with nicads
is how quickly they drop down past the minimum acceptable level.

Non-nicads drop slowly, so when the red light comes on, on a Model 100 or
102, you have plenty of time to wrap things up, exit the file you are
working on and turn the machine off.  Even with non-nicads on a Model 200,
the time you have when the red lights shows is much less.  Now add nicads
to the configuration and in both cases (100/102 and 200) your response
time is much less.  And, on the Model 200, you might not even get a
warning -- the machine just locks up, shuts down and restarting it is
iffy without a cold start.  The power circuit on the Model 200 is pretty
crazy and is its weak point.

Recommendation: 4D cells will out last and cost some much less than AAs
and nicads.  This is what our Power Pillow was based on and it was a
winner.  You'll get about 200 hours of dependable power!  I used a set of
4D cells (later called a Power Pillow) in astock Model 100 the mid '80s
during grad school for note taking in class.  I'd turn my Model 100 on at
the start of class (making sure that I did a POWER CONT command in basic
so it wouldn't shut off) open a .do file and just leave it on all the
time. A set of 4D cells lasted for at least 1/2 a year (2 terms).

Hey... that's my 2 cents.  -Rick @ Club 100-



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Subject: Nieuw adres - New address
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Hallo,

Ik ben van provider veranderd. Alhoewel je me nog steeds kan bereiken op
mijn oude adres, is het best dat je het onderstaande gebruikt:

Jan80@Ping.Be

Hi,

I changed ISP. And although you can still contact me at my old address,
you'd better use this one below:

Jan80@Ping.Be

Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
Jan-80

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thedock@value.net wrote:
> The "only" problem with nicads is how quickly they drop down past the
> minimum acceptable level.

Good description ... but here's more detail.

There are two attributes of batteries that relate to the power supply
circuitry in these Tandy 100/102/200 computers ...

	a) how long before the battery hits the low-power level, and

	b) how long before the battery hits the power-down level.

An Alkaline discharge curve (voltage plotted over time) is a slow curve
down, with very little kink.  A NiCd discharge curve starts lower, is
initially flatter, but then kinks sharply downwards.  See diagrams
below.

[monospaced font required]


Volts	|
    1.6V| *  *
	|       *  *
	|             *			Alkaline Discharge
	|                *
	|                    *
	|                      *
	+-----------------------
		   Time


Volts	|
	|   
    1.2V| *  *  *  *
	|            *			NiCd Discharge
	|             *
	|              *
	|               *
	+-----------------------
		   Time

The voltage sensing circuit in the computer is designed for Carbon-Zinc
or Alkaline cells.  It has two thresholds; a "low-power" level, at which
point the red LED starts shining (and consuming more power), and a
"power-down" level, at which point the processor is interrupted, saves
what it is doing, and turns off the power.

The problem with NiCd cells is that the time between the "low-power" and
"power-down" levels is very short, because of that sharp kink in their
discharge curve.  The time before the "low-power" level is also shorter,
because the total voltage (4.6V) is already close to the limit.

Also, since one cell of four will start to kink before the others, it is
quite normal to find one "sick" cell causing apparent inability for the
unit to live a normal "on" life.  The running time is then a function of
the sickest cell in the pack.

Converting the unit to hold five AA NiCd cells increases the time before
"low-power" level, and may also increase the transition time as well. 
Unfortunately it may also mask a sick cell, causing further damage to
the cell from reverse charging.

I agree that D size Alkalines last a long time.
Consider also F size, as hidden in a 6V lantern battery.  ;-)

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH,
COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers,
Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control,
Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband.

"Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

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Jim: Your indepth coverage of battery dynamics and Model "T" computing was
wonderful.  I hope that eveyone will archive your message for future
reference.  Thank you.  -Rick @ Club 100-



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James,

What do the jumpers do for the T200 when converting to nicads?  Are they
just so the low power light comes on sooner?

Mike Robinson
mrob@csi.com




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I am looking for two people who individually sent their Model 100 to me
without including a note of explanation about who the Model 100 is from
and what I am suppost to do with it. On the label of both packages was the
name and location of of the company that did the packing but no name for
the person sending the equipment.

These things happen -- it's no big deal.  I just want to know what to do
with the machines.  The boxes came from the following locations.

	Tulsa, OK
	Louisville, KY

With little to go on, I am hopeing that both parties might be listed on
the Club 100 listserv, and if so, they will eventually contact me. 

I do apologise to all of you who are not involved.  I am just trying to
find the correct parties and do the right thing -- whatever that is! 

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
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Mike:


I'm re-sending this 10/7/1996 email
to you and the list server.

RSVP  

I think the paging service only wants 300 to 2400 baud TONE.  I don't
know any way to do this with the pulse output the '100 has, so I'm
curious as to how your clients did their paging with pulses or what
innovations they came up with.


Thanks,

Richard


In article <<52nmlh$rb6@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, you say...

>

>herndon@texas.net (Richard &/or Patti Herndon) wrote:

>> Does anyone have a program that allows the '100 to do alphanumeric

>> paging via  its telecom port?

>

>I don't know offhand of anything in the public domain, though I can at

>least tell you it's quite doable, as several of my client companies 
are

>involved in just that sort of thing.

>Gimme a holler if I can help.

>-- Nuge --

I'm emailing.  Do you have a catalog, web page with details on the paging
or what?


Richard Herndon, P.E.

K5FNI

Austin TX

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Okay, I've got insomnia and need help. 

I'm sure I've seen postings on logging events and voltages with the M100,
but scanned through all my saved mail and cannot find them.

I need to know:
1. how you logged voltages
2. how you logged 1/0 events (switch closures)
3. how to log multiple inputs during the same session

Number 1 is an analog logging:  number 2 is just an on/off logging of a dry
switch closure.

If you have a web page, can send scanned schematics or attach basic
programs, that is really neat, since I can reinvent the wheel.....but why?
If I have your permission, I'll share with others here on the list server.

FYI, I'm going to follow battery charge research with number 1 and
thermostat closures with number 2.

Thanks a 10^6.
Richard Herndon, P.E.
K5FNI
Austin TX

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In mail, mrob@csi.com writes:

> What do the jumpers do for the T200 when converting to nicads?  Are they
> just so the low power light comes on sooner?

I think they also control whether or not the batteries get fed
"recharge" current while the AC adapter is in use. Do that with regular
carbon-zinc or alkaline batteries and they are likely to explode!

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Logging 1 or 2 switches would be no problem for the M100, you can use the
barcode input, and the two inputs on the printer port (pins 11 and 13) to
monitor the switches.  
- 	To read the Bar code input in BASIC: INP(179) AND 247
   	Also, this input works of the 5.5 RST pin on the 80c85.  This means that
you 	can write an interrupt routine that logs when the switch was closed.

-	To read the printer port in BASIC: INP(179) AND 253 for pin 13 
									 INP(179) AND 251 for pin 11
	
	You can also read the RS232 port pins CTS (pin 5) and DSR (pin 6) although,
I'm 	not sure if they can read a 5v signal (try it).  

-	To read the RS232 port in BASIC: INP(179) AND 239 for CTS
									  INP(179) AND 223 for DSR

If you want more inputs, you need to add an I/O port.  I've worked out a basic
circuit that attaches to the expansion bus.  It's on my web page 

	http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/add81.html

For A/D, it's a little tricky.  You could read analog signals from the printer
port.  It requires some tricky programming, though and a circuit.  

With a small value capacitor and a variable resistor, you can measure
resistance.  

-	Wire pin11 to the capacitor (1 microfarad), the capacitor to the resistance
(say a 	Cds photocell) and the resistance to ground.

-	The software basically is:  

			IN 176			;get status of  81C55
			ORI 12			;turn off bits 2 and 3 to make PORT C output
			OUT 176
			MVI  4			
			OUT  179		;turn on pin 11 of the printer port
			NOP
			NOP
			NOP			;allow cap to charge - you may need more time
			IN 176
			ANI 243
			OUT 176		;make PORT C input
			LXI H, 0			;initialize count
HERE:		IN 179			
			ANI 251			;read input
			JZ DONE		;if it's zero you're done
			DCX H			;decrease HL
			MOV A,H
			ORA L
			JNZ HERE		;if count is not zero do it again
DONE:		if you get here either you timed out or pin 11 is zero.  The bigger the
				value in HL the lower the resistance.

This is how the BASIC STAMP (a small microcontroller), performs it's POT
command, that is, read resistance on a pin.  It's not an ideal solution, but
it shows that it can be done.  I wouldn't use it because messing with the
81c55 can cause problems with the M100's operation - your machine won't die,
but it might crash.

A simpler solution is to use an A/D chip off the expansion bus, there are
several available.  Or you can use a slave microprocessor that reads analog
data and sends it to the M100 via the serial port.  Micromint
(www.micromint.com) makes a device called ANSWER MAN jr.($49) that reads
analog and digital input, outputs analog and digital, and a whole lot more.
It hooks up to the serial port and communicates up to 57.6 kbps.  Thats your
best bet.

chris
			

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Using a Tandy model 102

I downloaded DESKLINK.COM, and I want to use TEENY on the portable side.
Executing TEENY.BA gives me TEENY.CO, and now what ? How do I activate it,
how do I enter commands, how can I see what's on the virtual
(PC-directory\ROOT) disk ???

Questions, questions. 

I might have become too stupid from using too much Windows-computers :)

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On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Jan Vanden Bossche wrote:

> Using a Tandy model 102 I downloaded DESKLINK.COM, and I want to use
> TEENY on the portable side.  Executing TEENY.BA gives me TEENY.CO, and
> now what ? How do I activate it, how do I enter commands, how can I see
> what's on the virtual (PC-directory\ROOT) disk ??? 

                            INSTALLING A .CO FILE

The .CO file extension in a Model 100, 102, 200 means that the file is
programmed in machine language.  Just because you "see" the .CO file in
your menu does not mean it is where it has to be to run.  In fact, it's
easy to know if a .CO is installed as it will beep and return you to the
menu if it is not.  It's that simple!

Machine language programs can not run in a Model 100, 102, 200 without
being "copied" to a special place in RAM.  And yes, once copied to that
special place in RAM the .CO files also reside in yet, another place in
RAM so they will appear in your menu, i.e. a installed .CO file that is
also seen in the menu is in RAM in two places.  This is not necessarly bad
-- just the way it works in these machines.

To copy the .CO file to that special place in RAM so it will run, you need
to do the following steps.

Note: In this example the word "filename" refers to the name of the .CO
file, and ##### refers to the "Top:" number you need to find and use to
install the .CO file.

Go into BASIC and issue the commands:

     clear0,maxram
     loadm"filename.co

You will get three numbers labeled "Top:", "End:" and "Exe:" followed by
an error code -- ignore the error.  Write down the "Top:" number.

While still in BASIC, issue the commands:

     clear256,#####
     loadm"filename.co
     menu

You have just installed the .CO file.  Now, when you place your bar cursor
over the file and hit  it will run.  These are the basics.  There
is far more to this subject, such as relocating .CO file code, installing
more than one .CO via stacking, and .CO file swapping.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
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Does any one have the assembler source code for TEENY.CO?  Has any one written
a version of TEENY.CO for the NEC PC8201a?

chris

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On Sat, 5 Dec 1998 MwalimuB@aol.com wrote:

> Does any one have the assembler source code for TEENY.CO?  Has any one
> written a version of TEENY.CO for the NEC PC8201a?  chris

The author of TEENY.CO, Ron Wiesen, would have the source.  You might also
want to play with some of the assemblers/dissemblers in the Club 100
library, or order the ROM2/Cleuseau ROM for the NEC PC8201a from Club 100
to reverse engineer the code.

TEENY.CO was selected by myself to be included in the DL-ARC.EXE
(DeskLink) collection since it was the only DOS available that could be
pushed through a COM port from a DOS/Windows machine to a Model 100/102 to
help people get started with DeskLink.  If TEENY was also available for
the Model 200 and the NEC PC8201a, I would have included those in the
archive, as well.  And the purpose of the archive was to help the process
of file transfers.  Period.  TEENY was never intended, at least by myself,
as the only DOS folks would use. 

If your intention is to "learn" how to program a DOS, or any hobby related
interest, then by all means, writing a version of TEENY for the NEC is a
wonderful thing to do.  But if your intent is for practical use of a DOS
on an NEC (or Model 100/102 or Model 200) then TEENY is "not" the answer.
TS-DOS on ROM is "the" answer -- assuming you do not have a option ROM in
your machine. -Rick @ Club 100-



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On 1998-12-05 herndon@texas.net said
   >Mike:
   >I'm re-sending this 10/7/1996
   >email to you and the list server.
   >RSVP
   >I think the paging service only wants 300 to 2400 baud TONE.  I
   >don't know any way to do this with the pulse output the '100 has,
   >so I'm curious as to how your clients did their paging with pulses
   >or what innovations they came up with.

An external modem, no doubt.
ATDT ,,,,,

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At 10:15 12/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>An external modem, no doubt.
>ATDT ,,,,,

Hmmm.  Thanks.  I suppose that would be the EASY way to do it.   I'd
thought he was saying they'd just used the '100 itself.  I'll have to find
some old dumb 2400 baud external modem.  

My application wanted no 120 vac, because I wanted to do this in an
emergency with only the '100 supply or possibly 12 vdc available.  I'm a
part of a local amateur radio emergency group.  The paging service has
emergency power and the phone service is usually up, due to having their
own emergency power.  I may be able to adapt an internal Zenith modem from
the XT era to this service, since that computer used only 12 vdc to power it.

RH
K5FNI
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On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, David Woodland wrote:

> You have set me on the straight and narrow with my two 100's.  Now I
> want to get this Mod. 4 off my desk (I have two of these too plus a 4D). 
> I have a substantial amount of stuff on floppies, and the obvious
> question...what's around to drive and recover from these floppies on the
> 100?  I have the 100 Remote Disk program. 

First of all, I'm echoing your message and my initial response to the Club
100 listserv for additional feedback to your questions.  If you have not
already done so, please join the list (it's free) -- details at he home
page of the Club 100 web site .

Although I have had a Model I, III and IV in the past, I do not have these
now -- it's been a long time.  I do know, however, that the 5.25" floppies
are formatted for those machines, exclusively.  There may be untilities
in the DOS/Windows arena that will address that format but again, it's
been so long that I can't remember what is what.  I do believe that
Xenocopy from Xenosoft in Berkeley, CA., allows DOS computers to
read/write to other formats but don't know if the Model I, III and IV
format is included.

You mentioned having Remote Disk.  I believe that that program was
intended to enable a Model 100 to transfer files (probably just .do files)
to a Model IV under TRSDOS for the Model 4 (I believe it was version 6
something).  Of course, you will probably need a null-modem cable with the
correct plug-ends and wired correctly -- and there's a thought in my mind
about crossing one of the pins to enable high speed (1200 baud +) but that
could have been what I had to do when I used both a Model III and a IV as
the two BBSes in support of Club 100 back in the initial days (circa 1983
- 87) before switching the BBS over to a DOS machine. 

In any case, you should read through all the documentation and play around
with Remote Disk.  It's probably not that difficulte, and you won't hurt
anything by trying.  This is where I am going to stop and let others jump
in with what has to be a lot better information than what I've added.  In
any case, you've opened the door on this subject.  Hope this helps.
-Rick-



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At 08:14 AM 12/6/98 -0800, thedock@value.net wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, David Woodland wrote:
>
>> You have set me on the straight and narrow with my two 100's.  Now I
>> want to get this Mod. 4 off my desk (I have two of these too plus a 4D). 
>> I have a substantial amount of stuff on floppies, and the obvious
>> question...what's around to drive and recover from these floppies on the
>> 100?  I have the 100 Remote Disk program. 
>

>
>Although I have had a Model I, III and IV in the past, I do not have these
>now -- it's been a long time.  I do know, however, that the 5.25" floppies
>are formatted for those machines, exclusively.  There may be untilities
>in the DOS/Windows arena that will address that format but again, it's
>been so long that I can't remember what is what.  I do believe that
>Xenocopy from Xenosoft in Berkeley, CA., allows DOS computers to
>read/write to other formats but don't know if the Model I, III and IV
>format is included.
>

To complicate matters there were several DOSes for these machines beside
TRSDOS. I lay no claim to the brain cells anymore, but I seem to remember
some of these other (better?) DOSes used different file structures,
commands, etc. My freind's memory is (at least it WAS) much better than
mine on these matters. 

Sorry for jumping in but I do enjoy reading about this stuff. If only to
remember the 'Old Days'. ;-)

Don

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Rick,

I was wondering if you are going to send the rubber bands and/or printer
cable at all.  It has been well over a month, perhaps a month and a half
since I have sent the technical bulletins to you in good faith.  The last I
have heard from you of this matter was on November 18th.  I sent an e-mail to
you a week ago asking the same question, and I have not heard anything
since.  I have seen you post on the listserv, so I know at least that you are
around.  I have sent this message also to the listserv, hoping that you will
read it and send me a reply.  If you are not going to send anything in
return, at least say so, instead of leaving the matter open and unfinished.

-Scott

thedock@value.net wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Scott Roberts wrote:
>
> > I'm just wondering if you have had a chance to look at those technical
> > bulletins that I sent you...  -Scott
>
> Oops!  I am sorry, sir.  They're sitting here in the pile and I forgot to
> act on them quickly.  I made a note and stuck it on one of the screens in
> the lab to send you the agreed printer cable and keyboard bands.  They
> will go out on Monday for sure.  I would get them out tomorrow but Paula
> and I are taking off early Thursday morning and will be back on Sunday.
>
> Again, I apologise for missplacing the order/trade.  -Rick-


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Yep.  I messed up -- put your stuff in a pile and forgot to look... and
the note I placed on the screen is sitting here ... and your e-mail is in
with a few hundred others... and... and... 

In any case, I'm using today (Sunday) to play catch up on a bunch of
things.  Your stuff is packed and ready for mailing to yourself in
Baltimore, MD.  I appreciate the reminder.  Once again, I'm one guy doing
way too many things -- and of course, I'll never learn.  -Rick-



On Sun, 6 Dec 1998, Scott Roberts wrote:

> Rick,
> 
> I was wondering if you are going to send the rubber bands and/or printer
> cable at all.  It has been well over a month, perhaps a month and a half
> since I have sent the technical bulletins to you in good faith.  The last I
> have heard from you of this matter was on November 18th.  I sent an e-mail to
> you a week ago asking the same question, and I have not heard anything
> since.  I have seen you post on the listserv, so I know at least that you are
> around.  I have sent this message also to the listserv, hoping that you will
> read it and send me a reply.  If you are not going to send anything in
> return, at least say so, instead of leaving the matter open and unfinished.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> thedock@value.net wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Scott Roberts wrote:
> >
> > > I'm just wondering if you have had a chance to look at those technical
> > > bulletins that I sent you...  -Scott
> >
> > Oops!  I am sorry, sir.  They're sitting here in the pile and I forgot to
> > act on them quickly.  I made a note and stuck it on one of the screens in
> > the lab to send you the agreed printer cable and keyboard bands.  They
> > will go out on Monday for sure.  I would get them out tomorrow but Paula
> > and I are taking off early Thursday morning and will be back on Sunday.
> >
> > Again, I apologise for missplacing the order/trade.  -Rick-
> 
> 


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There is no way that I know of that you could send an alphanumeric page
with only the m100 -- it has no way of creating the necessary DTMF. It
might be possible with some external D/A circuitry on the serial port...
but it would be a lot easier just to get an old 2400 baud modem that runs
off of DC or get a small, cheap inverter and use an AC powered one.

Kevin
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Once upon a midnight dreary, LordTyran had spoken clearly:

>There is no way that I know of that you could send an alphanumeric page
>with only the m100 -- it has no way of creating the necessary DTMF. It
>might be possible with some external D/A circuitry on the serial port...
>but it would be a lot easier just to get an old 2400 baud modem that runs
>off of DC or get a small, cheap inverter and use an AC powered one.
>
>Kevin
>KC8BLL

If you want DTMF and a Model T at the same time, get yourself a Model
200... they have touch-tone capability, and IIRC, it's pretty easy to
access from Basic, tho I've not done that in a *looooooong* time.

See ya,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger

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Mike Robinson wrote:
> James,
> What do the jumpers do for the T200 when converting to nicads?  Are
> they just so the low power light comes on sooner?

Sorry, Mike, but I don't know.  I've never looked inside a T200 or at
the schematic.  If someone has a schematic I could make a guess.

-- 
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MwalimuB@aol.com wrote:
> A simpler solution is to use an A/D chip off the expansion bus
 
I've little to add to this, but since I have done years of logging with
my Tandy 102's here I go ...

1) for analog inputs, use a D/A (yes, digital to analog) connected to
the printer port and send the output and the source being measured into
a comparator, returning the result as a single bit input.  The program
then uses a binary search or slow adjustment to find the right output
voltage that causes the comparator to switch.

2) for enhancing the data storage, sample slower, record a histogram,
record changes only, and record smaller bit strings;

2.a) sampling slower is the simplest way, but for something like a
battery voltage waiting for it to change by 0.1V will save immense
amounts of memory,

2.b) recording a histogram; is what I do for the anemometer on my
weather station.  An array of 17 integers, each element incremented when
the sample matches a speed in metres per second from zero to 16. 
Periodically dump the histogram to memory.

2.c) recording changes only; for temperature monitoring of living space,
my program stores the baseline temperature and then records the change
from the previous measurement each time.  The change takes less space.

2.d) record smaller bit strings; a combination of 2.a and 2.c, my most
recent temperature logger writes a single alphabetic character every
minute into the text file in RAM which is an offset from previous
measurement.  The letter "O" means unchanged.  "N" means down 0.1C, and
"P" means up 0.1C.  "Q" means up 0.2C, and so on.

If I can guarantee the change will not be beyond 1.6C each minute, then
I can use four bits instead of eight for each minute, doubling the
storage capacity.

At eight bits per minute a Tandy 102 with 32K can store about 20 days of
temperature samples.

Anyone know of an X-10 CP290 interface program for Tandy 100/102/200?

-- 
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One bypasses R94 with R93 in the DC-DC convertor.
The other lets the batteries be recharged via R165.

> James,
> 
> What do the jumpers do for the T200 when converting to nicads?  Are they
> just so the low power light comes on sooner?
> 
> Mike Robinson
> mrob@csi.com
> 
> 
> 
> 



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In mail, cameron@stl.dec.com writes:

> At eight bits per minute a Tandy 102 with 32K can store about 20 days of
> temperature samples.

And this is an application where the Cassette recorder beats the PDD.
You can have your program "dump" a day's worth of readings to tape.
Dump it twice just in case. One side of a C-60 will store around 150k
of data. So you can easily store a month's data on tape and have the
last week or two in RAM. 

> Anyone know of an X-10 CP290 interface program for Tandy 100/102/200?

No. I was looking into writing one once, but never got around to it.
The manual for the CP-290 gives more than enough info to write one though.

-- 
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Hey, you forgot the 4-digit address in your web page URL. What was the
complete URL? I'd like to see the expansion.

Kevin

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I'm just getting started figuring out how to run the LCD from assembly
language on the NEC. The documentation in the M100 "Hidden Powers..." book
is clearing up some things. I'm cross-referencing the routines with those
in the NEC. So, NEC people, add to your memory maps.

                            Entry,   Entry,   EXEC or
Routine                     Decimal  Hex      JMP?      Alters
-------------------------   -------  -------  -------   ---------

TURN OFF & RESET RST 7.5    30437    76E5h    EXEC      A

     RST 7.5 is the heart of the background task, triggered by
     a pulse every few mS. Since the LCD ports are shared with
     other functions, the NEC background task must be stopped
     to give the low level LCD code uninterrupted access to
     the LCD ports.

TURN ON RST 7.5             29888    74C0h    EXEC      A

     Enables the NEC background task. After disabling the background
     task, this routine must be called to restore the NEC to normal
     functionality.

The code for these two routines is identical to the code in the M100. 
The entry points are different.  The I/O ports used for the LCD are also
identical, which suggests that the LCD routines are the same as the M100
except for entry points (and the missing line/box routines).

As I go through the LCD routines, I will update the NEC memory map
located on the Potent Portables web site:

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/7071/

as well as post them on the listserv for the NEC people still out there.    

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
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NEC PC-8201A  ! seeking for ideal truth.
Tandy 102     !                            -- George Sand



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On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, LordTyran wrote:

> Hey, you forgot the 4-digit address in your web page URL. What was the
> complete URL? I'd like to see the expansion.  Kevin

If you are talking about the Club 100 web site, the url is:

http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html


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 On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, LordTyran wrote:
 
  > Hey, you forgot the 4-digit address in your web page URL. What
  > was the complete URL? I'd like to see the expansion.  Kevin
 
Okay, it's not my website, but as a fellow geocitizen, I looked
it up (when you type this url you can drop all the upper case to
lower):
------------------------------------------------------------------
     "I've worked out a basic circuit that attaches to the
      expansion bus.  It's on my web page"
 
   http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/7017/index.html
------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Hank Riley
h1riley@umassd.edu
 
   http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/3161/hablic.htm
                                               ^
HABLIC: "All balloon launches, all the time" __|
 
The web's source for amateur radio high altitude balloon launch
information.

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The TRS-80 Model 100 manual lists only 5 octaves, but mentions that it goes
up higher and lower (0 to 16383). Is there an extended table? Also, is there
a table that in the place of notes tells the frequency in Hz?

Matthew


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In mail, benevia@wwa.com writes:

> The TRS-80 Model 100 manual lists only 5 octaves, but mentions that it goes
> up higher and lower (0 to 16383). Is there an extended table? Also, is there
> a table that in the place of notes tells the frequency in Hz?

Here's an exceprt from my file UNDOC.BAS:

SOUND	the NEC manual says that 5586 produces a 440 Hz tone. Working from this
	we can derive the following formula for the output frequency of the
	SOUND command:
		freq = 2457600/tone argument
		tone arg = 2457600/freq
	(2457600 being the clock frequency of the 100/102 & NEC)
			NEC sound value chart
				octave
	+------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
	| note |   1   |   2   |   3   |   4   |   5   |   6   |
	+------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
	|  C   |   -   |  9394 |  4697 |  2348 |  1171?|   587 |
	|  C#  |   -   |  8866 |  4433 |  2216 |  1103?|   554 |
	|  D   |   -   |  8368 |  4184 |  2092 |  1045?|   523 |
	|  D#  | 15800 |  7900 |  3950 |  1975 |   987 |   493 |
	|  E   | 14912 |  7456 |  3728 |  1864 |   932 |   466 |
	|  F   | 14064 |  7032 |  3516 |  1758 |   879 |   439 |
	|  F#  | 13284 |  6642 |  3321 |  1660 |   830 |   415 |
	|  G   | 12538 |  6269 |  3134 |  1567 |   783 |   -   |
	|  G#  | 11836 |  5918 |  2954 |  1479 |   733?|   -   |
	|  A   | 11172 |  5586*|  2793 |  1396 |   693?|   -   |
	|  A#  | 10544 |  5272 |  2636 |  1316?|   653?|   -   |
	|  B   |  9952 |  4968?|  2486?|  1244 |   622 |   -   |
	+------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
			* 440 Hz
			? differs from value in M100 manual


-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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I'm sending this out to the group on our listserv as well as to you,
personally, since others have asked the same thing.

On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 wbeverly@csc.com wrote:

> OK, OK ! ! !  I'm sold, where can I get a Power Pillow?!?!? 

Hold on... hold the phone... stop the music.  Power Pillows "used" to be
offered in our catalog (see "Catalog" at web site for what is currently
available).

The bad news: Power Pillows are currently on hold due to a "part" used in
its construction that is no longer available, i.e. the "wrap" used to
contain the battery box and attach the unit to the Model 100. 

The good news: Power Pillows will return once I find a replacement for the
unavailable wrapping material.  I "do have" a working idea and "definately
am" working on a prototype right now.

I will keep your name on file -- with lots of other -- and contact you
when the Power Pillows return to market.

> Also is there a software for battery life?!?!?

A stock Model 100 (102 and 200) will automatically shut down after a short
period of time -- WHICH YOU CAN ADJUST via the POWER command in BASIC. 
Consult the BASIC instructions in your manual or quick reference booklet,
or go to the "Technical Reference"  category in the Club 100 online
"Library" at our web site  and look
through the BA01A through C2 files.

You can easily make a temporary 4 D cell battery pack using off-the-shelf
items.  Start with a 4 D cell battery holder or 2, 2 D cell battery
holders wired in series.  Purchase the following item from your local
Radio Shack store -- but for heaven's sake, don't mention the word Model
100 to any of the personnel.  They don't have a clue, so don't even try!

        Cat No 274-1569A
                Coaxial DC
                Power Plugs (2)
                5.5mm O.D.
                2.1mm I.D.

Solder the "negative" end of your battery pack to the center connector of
one of the plugs and the "possitive" to the other connector.  Note: Make
sureyou slip the cover over the wires before soldering on the wires or you
will have to unsolder the wires -- do the job twice.

VERY IMPORTANT ... "test" your power pack with a meter to make sure you've
wired it correctly.  The center of the plug MUST be negative.  Don't screw
this up or you will be looking for another Model 100.  But if you have it
right, use your power pack with confidance.

Also, after inserting the batteries for the first time, kick back and
watch your pack for awhile.  If it seems to be getting hot, then starts to
melt, you know that you've crossed the wires.  I've had this happen to me
a few times while building Power Pillow battery boxes.  Sometimes it's my
fault but most of the time it was a bad plug that was shorted internally.
I test EVERY time for shorts and for polarity.

--

Someone posted a comment about using a lantern battery.  Yeah, they work
okay -- they're kind of bulky, though.  Gel cells also work.  It's not the
"type" of power source but rather the "attributes" of the power, i.e. 
polarity, volts, amps, etc.  In fact, at our monthly meetings at Melo's
Pizza in Pleasant Hill, staff member Drew Blanchar used to bring a big
gell cell with a bunch of plugs tapped into a central wire.  He'd string
it around the tables so we could all tap in if needed.  And for whatever
reason, it even worked when someone spilled beer on the system.  It wasn't
perfect, though.  Some wisenhimer would connect on a tpdd or tpdd2 and
when they flipped the switch it would pull power, shutting down everyones
computer.

May the force be with you... -Rick-


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Is anybody aware of a function or memory location on the T200 which will
enable me to determine if a particular key is pressed at that instant?
All of the keyboard functions I've tried works with a queue, so all I
find out is if a key has been pressed since the queue has last been
emptied.

Thanks,
Mike Robinson




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I accidentally deleted the post about the Power Pillow.  What are the
components needed to build the pillow?

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-Scott


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Here I go again, I decide to respond to just one small nit and end up
writing a documentary on the subject.  ;-}

Rick wrote:
> VERY IMPORTANT ... "test" your power pack with a meter to make sure
> you've wired it correctly.  The center of the plug MUST be negative. 
> Don't screw this up or you will be looking for another Model 100.

According to my research into the schematic and actual experience,
reverse polarity on the power socket should not damage the unit.  There
is a series diode which prevents power from flowing if the leads are
connected the wrong way around.  Your mileage may vary; you might have a
unit with the protection diode removed or something.

> Also, after inserting the batteries for the first time, kick back and
> watch your pack for awhile.  If it seems to be getting hot, then starts
> to melt, you know that you've crossed the wires.

Yes, very nasty.  This doesn't happen (much) with AA cells because of
the lower power levels involved.  I have nearly ruined a hand-held CB's
AA cell battery holder.  D cells have a heap more power, and are
potential fire-starters.

If the original unit was designed to take D cells, they probably would
have included a fuse or circuit breaker in the design to reduce the risk
of fire.

The next time I do a D cell pack, I think I'll solder in a 1A fuse.

There's an even neater device called a polyswitch protector, a positive
temperature co-efficient resistor plastic fuse-like device that is
self-resetting. I'd use that in remote or unattended situations.

Oh wow, I even have a picture of one ... it's the orange thing.

	http://ftp.digital.com.au:6153/tad/98-690/08.jpg
	http://ftp.digital.com.au:6153/tad/98-690/02.jpg

Rick also went on to write:
> It's not the "type" of power source but rather the "attributes" of the
> power, i.e. polarity, volts, amps, etc.

To be more exact, the Tandy 100/102 units will accept a voltage between
4.5V and 10V DC without exceeding internal component ratings.  The
polarity and voltage are critical; wrong polarity and it does not work;
low voltage and it does not work; high voltage and there may be damage.

The amps, though, do not really matter.  But there is a problem if you
ignore the current (amps) rating on a plug-pack power supply.  If the
supply is unregulated, the voltage will climb when the current is low. 
If you purchase an unregulated plug-pack power supply rated at 6V 1A,
you will find the voltage applied to the computer will be far above 10V.

I find a 9V 150mA supply is fine, as is a 6V 300mA supply.

Even then, the current "rating" of the supply can be understated by the
manufacturer, so that variations in product will still meet the
warranted power capability.

The only way I know how to be sure is to connect up an equivalent load
and measure the resulting voltage across the load.

Or, if you already have a supply for your computer, measure the voltage
at the computer end with the computer up and running.  If the voltage is
below 10V then all is well.  If it is between 10V and 13V, I would not
worry unduly.  If it is above 13V and below 16V I might expect a failure
to occur within a year or two.  If it is above 16V I'd recommend it be
fixed.  A suitable series resistor is a simple solution.

If your environment is hotter (tropics, Sydney right now, etc) then the
chance of failure is increased.  The actual component is the
electrolytic capacitor across the supply after the power switch (C83),
and it is rated at 10VDC, 470uF.

(There appears to be a diode, D27, or some component across the supply
as it enters the machine.  Anybody know what it is and what it does? 
The schematic isn't terribly clear.  Zener diodes are shown on the
schematic in a different manner to this diode.)

-- 
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Mike Robinson wrote:
> Is anybody aware of a function or memory location on the T200 which
> will enable me to determine if a particular key is pressed at that
> instant?

Yes.  It isn't very easy.

Look for the keyboard picture in the file ...

ftp://ftp.value.net/pub/thedock/c100/ref/rcmap0.200

To read the keyboard you would need to write assembly language code that
will turn off interrupts, place a byte onto the output port 0B1H
(hexadecimal) with bit set according to the column of the key you want
to see, then read the input port 0E0H and keep the bit you want.  After
re-enabling interrupts, process the result accordingly.

The interrupts need to be disabled because an interrupt task does a
similar thing, and so what you write to the output port would not
survive sometimes if the timer interrupt happened at the right time.

Also, the upper memory map has something useful ...

ftp://ftp.value.net/pub/thedock/c100/ref/rcmap7.200

Around FD03H and onwards there may be a copy of the keyboard input bits
that might be what you want.  Write code that will watch that area and
report changes to you, and then hit a few keys to see the changes.

If this works, you won't need to touch assembly language code or
interrupts.

Remember also that most keys insert characters into the keyboard input
queue, and you should remove them unless you want them to stay there.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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Is anybody aware of a function or memory location on the T200 which will
enable me to determine if a particular key is pressed at that instant?
All of the keyboard functions I've tried works with a queue, so all I
find out is if a key has been pressed since the queue has last been
emptied.
 
Mike Robinson
---------------------------
 
     I hope I'm not putting my foot in my mouth on this,
     but in BASIC INKEY$ is supposed to detect the
     key *currently* pressed. There is a special value
     returned for no keypress.  This is true of all
     computer basics I've looked at, and is so of the
     M100 according to the book, so likely M200 as well.
 
     If you wanted to access from ML, then based on
     other machines' basics, there must be a  location in memory that is refreshed
     by the machine's interrupt driven keyboard scanning
     routine.  Of course, it entails both knowing the
     memory location and the correspondence between the
     value found and the key.  Is that location
     known in the M100?  I don't see it in any of the
     docs.  (I could use the info).
 
     I have just looked through the docs at www.the-dock.com
     and have found that 8B03H (M200) is an entry point for
     a keyscan routine.  It returns a keycode in the
     accumulator.  This keycode value may well be what would
     be found in the  address mentioned above.
 
Hank

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Recently I inquired of the list for assistance with
calls to set the speed of the M100 UART.

Three people replied, and of those I've only thanked
James Cameron.  I'll be replying to the other 
correspondents soon, because the information provided
was very good, and turned out to do what I needed.

Hank

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snipped<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>The next time I do a D cell pack, I think I'll solder in a 1A fuse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snipped<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you be upset at yourself if you did
that and blew a fuse when you find yourself a long way from your soldering
iron? Perhaps it would be better to solder in a 1A fuse HOLDER! ;-)

Vince



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In mail, cameron@stl.dec.com writes:

>> Also, after inserting the batteries for the first time, kick back and
>> watch your pack for awhile.  If it seems to be getting hot, then starts
>> to melt, you know that you've crossed the wires.
>
> Yes, very nasty.  This doesn't happen (much) with AA cells because of
> the lower power levels involved.  I have nearly ruined a hand-held CB's
> AA cell battery holder.  D cells have a heap more power, and are
> potential fire-starters.

If you are using nicads watch out. Nicads will throw *enormous*
currents into a short. For example, I was recharging a bunch of nicad
AAs *connected in *series* and accidentally shorted the jumper clips I
had used to connect them to the power source. Before I could do
*anything, the insulation *boiled* off the wires and the 20(?) guage
stranded wire was white-hot!

You can start a *car* with 5 Nicad D cells wired in series. You only
need 5 (6 volts) because lead acid car batteries drop to only 6 volts
under the load of the starter. That's a current of around 200 amps!

The AA nicads probably won't throw more than 50 amps or so into a dead
short. But that's *plenty*. I'd say a nicad AA is equivalent to one of
those *huge* carbon zinc cells folks use to start model airplanes, at
least as far as peak current output goes. 

> If the original unit was designed to take D cells, they probably would
> have included a fuse or circuit breaker in the design to reduce the risk
> of fire.

> The next time I do a D cell pack, I think I'll solder in a 1A fuse.

Make it a "fast blow" fuse if you are using nicads.

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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Continuing my filling out of the NEC memory map ...


LCD Driver Table        30412-30431    76CCh-76DFh        DATA

      This table of ten 2-byte entries is used by the LCD driver
      enable/select routine that begins at 30148 (75C4h). There
      are two bytes for each of the ten horizontal driver chips
      for the LCD.

Enable LCD Driver       30148          75C4h              EXEC

      This routine selects which of the ten horizontal drivers
      will be active. Upon entry, HL must contain the address of
      the first byte of the byte pair in the LCD driver table
      (30412-30431) of the driver to enable. Modifies HL, A/PSW.


Thus far, the code and data used to control the LCD is identical to the
M100.  The entry points are different.  Thank goodness, because it makes
it all fairly easy to find by looking up documented M100 locations, getting
the raw byte sequences from my T102, disassembling the T102 sequences (for
my curiousity and to verify that the documented entry point does what it
says it does), scanning the NEC ROM for the sequence, verifying with
ROM2 on the NEC that the code looks as it ought (I scan only for the first
5 bytes or so of the sequence in the NEC to save time), and documenting
the NEC routine on my scribbled-up copy of GW's NEC memory map. I have a
few more routines to find before I update the memory map on the Potent
Portables site.  It is simple work, but tedious.

You might ask, why decode the way the LCD works when a perfectly good plot
routine is documented?  Even though I just put these words in your mouth,
I'll clue you in to why I'm doing this. The LCD drivers store bytes
corresponding to 8 pixels within a block of 1600 pixels (for 8 out of 10
-- the last two have <1600). Using plot means that to fill an entire byte
you make 8 calls. Inefficent. I want to have code smart enough to bulk
load the LCD driver bytes. I figure that to do some of the things that I
want to do with my ongoing projects, I want to have a good, abstracted
80x25 window with viewport routines actually controlling what part of my
video buffer is on the screen. I also want to facilitate building a little
font into my LCD library (the font is already scribbled out on graph
paper, but I haven't written a quick and dirty BASIC program to plot it
out on the screen yet). Ideas, dreams, goals. Lord only knows if I'll ever
finish, but I'm having fun getting there.

If anyone has been down the road before and has any code to send my way
for education and potential deriviate works (I do give credit to all
persons involved), I accept the hints, tips, and guidance openly.  I also
understand if persons want to keep their code their own. I accept the
hints and tips without the code, too.

I just tell my friends that I'm engaged in a bit of computer archeology :)
It's a lot more fun that what I do at work.

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
Tandy 1100FD  ! 
NEC PC-8201A  ! Life is too short to watch TV. Find and read a book.
Tandy 102     ! 



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On Sun, 13 Dec 1998, Hank Riley wrote:
> Mike Robinson
> ---------------------------
>  
>      I hope I'm not putting my foot in my mouth on this,
>      but in BASIC INKEY$ is supposed to detect the
>      key *currently* pressed. There is a special value
>      returned for no keypress.  This is true of all
>      computer basics I've looked at...

Actually, TI-BASIC on the TI-92 graphing calculator has a similar function
to INKEY$ or getch but will not reply with anything if nothing is
pressed... can't remember the command, tho, and it has a whole bunch of
them.

Kevin


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>     I hope I'm not putting my foot in my mouth on this,
>     but in BASIC INKEY$ is supposed to detect the
>     key *currently* pressed. There is a special value
>     returned for no keypress.  This is true of all
>     computer basics I've looked at, and is so of the
>     M100 according to the book, so likely M200 as well.

INKEY$ does detect the key pressed, but once you read it, INKEY$ is
cleared.  So, if the key is still pressed, you wouldn't know it using
INKEY$ (until the repeat key kicks in).  All of the machine language
routines I've found do a similar thing.

I think James has the answer I'm looking for...

>Around FD03H and onwards there may be a copy of the keyboard input bits

>that might be what you want.  Write code that will watch that area and
>report changes to you, and then hit a few keys to see the changes.

I'll try this first...I think the coding will be easier than disabling
the keyboard polling and reading the I/O port.

Thanks for all of the input...I'll let you know if I found out anything
usefull.

Mike Robinson




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> (There appears to be a diode, D27, or some component across the supply
> as it enters the machine.  Anybody know what it is and what it does? 
> The schematic isn't terribly clear.  Zener diodes are shown on the
> schematic in a different manner to this diode.)

D23 Diode, Silicon ERA81-004 is wired across the P/S plug centre post to ground
D27 Surge Absorber SNR-7D18L is wired centre post to side contact.

D23 absorbs spikes from switching the wall wart on and off, and helps with reverse polarity (for a while!)

Neil Morrison


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Vince (AA9TL) wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you be upset at yourself if you
> did that and blew a fuse when you find yourself a long way from your
> soldering iron? Perhaps it would be better to solder in a 1A fuse
> HOLDER! ;-)

Chuckle.  Actually, no, I dislike fuse holders, because they are yet
another contact that can corrode and fail.

If I was intending to use the unit away from my soldering iron, I would
use a polyswitch.

Leonard Erickson wrote:
> Make it a "fast blow" fuse if you are using nicads.

I disagree.  Standard slow blow fuses at 1A would still last of the
order of milliseconds under the short-circuit load of NiCds.

Neil Morrison wrote:
> D23 absorbs spikes from switching the wall wart on and off, and helps
> with reverse polarity (for a while!)

Ah, in that case I don't think reverse polarity is a good idea.
This device will go pfft.

-- 
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I am doing a little exploratory program with a moving cursor that wraps
around the screen. I have got the whole thing working, except when I go into
the 239 square, when I move in that square I get an automatic line feed. I
have put a semicolon at the end of my "print@...;" command and it still
persists.

Any ideas?

Matthew


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Matthew S. Whitlock wrote:
> [...] when I go into the 239 square, when I move in that square I get
> an automatic line feed.

Yes, I've seen that.  Requires some special trick to get around it.  The
display drive automatically wraps and scrolls.  There is an escape
sequence that can turn off scrolling so you can do it.

Manuals have it.

-- 
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Does anyone have PC8201a schematics?  I'd like to know the hardware details of
how the pc82 detects the 3rd memory bank it can have added to it's expansion
port.

chris

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Does anyone have PC8201a schematics?  I'd like to know the hardware details of
how the pc82 detects the 3rd memory bank it can have added to it's expansion
port.

chris

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Does anyone have PC8201a schematics?  I'd like to know the hardware details of
how the pc82 detects the 3rd memory bank it can have added to it's expansion
port.

chris

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This is Rick.  My old friend, Troy Petty, sent me this from his work,
today.  One must wonder if he works for diddles around with e-mail all
day.  But what the hey, it's the xmas holidays so let's have some fun.  I
am passing this on to all my friends just because I can!  Merry xmas!
-Rick Hanson-

                            ---Forward Messasge---

From: Ken Purtell 
Date: 01 December 1998 14:57
Subject: cool game

It might tell you something about your subconscious or it might not, you
won't know until you try.!!!

FW: Cool mind game

* This is a little game that has a pretty funny/creepy outcome.
* Don't read ahead, just do it in order. It takes
* about 1 minute and it's way worth it.
* It's kinda eerie....
* First, Get a blank piece of paper and pen.

When you are asked to choose names, make sure it's people you ACTUALLY
KNOW, and go with your first instincts!

* Scroll down one line at a time - don't read ahead or you'll ruin the
fun!!











* 1.) First, write the numbers 1 through 11 in a column.











* 2.) Then, beside numbers 1 and 2, write any two numbers you want.











* 3.) Beside the 3 and 7, write down the names of members of the opposite
sex (or same sex if you're gay). Don't look ahead-or it won't turn out
right!











* 4.) Write anyone's name (like friends or family...) in the 4th, 5th and
6th spots. Don't cheat or you'll be upset that you did.











* 5.) Write down four song titles in 8, 9, 10 and 11.











* 6.) Finally, make a wish.....











* And here is the key for that game..

* 1.) You must tell (the number in space 2) people about this game in (the
number in space 1) days in order to make your wish come true.











* 2.) The person in space 3 is the one that you love.











* 3.) The person in 7 is one you like but can't work out.











* 4.) You care most about the person you put in 4.











* 5.) The person you name in number 5 is the one who knows you very well.











* 6.) The person you name in 6 is your lucky star











* 7.) The song in 8 is the song that matches with the person in 3











* 8.) The title in 9 is the song for the person in 7.











* 9.) The tenth space is the song that tells you most about your mind.











* 10.) And 11 is the song telling how you feel about life!











* GOOD LUCK

* the person that sent this to me said their wish came true 10 mins. after
they read the mail so I thought what the heck.

* You have been seen by the tweety bird. He will grant you 1 wish!!!

* Make Your wish when the count down is over!!!

* 10..











*  9..











*  8..











*  7..











*  6..











*  5..











*  4..











*  3..











*  2..











*  1..

* **** MAKE A WISH******

* Send this to 10 people within the hour you read this. If you do, your
wish will come true. If you don't it will become the opposite.

Kenneth Purtell
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In mail, benevia@wwa.com writes:

> I am doing a little exploratory program with a moving cursor that wraps
> around the screen. I have got the whole thing working, except when I go into
> the 239 square, when I move in that square I get an automatic line feed. I
> have put a semicolon at the end of my "print@...;" command and it still
> persists.

You have to disable scrolling. I know there's a way to do it, but I
don't recall what it is at the moment...

Ah! Here it is!
V      lock mode (screen will not scroll)
W      unlock (screen will scroll normally)

So either do an ESC V before printing at 239 and an ESC W afterwards,
or just do it at the start of the program and send the ESC W at the end
of the program.

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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I've modified the memory map on the Potent Portables site to reflect the
entry points of the LCD driver select/read/write routines and the rst 7.5
on/off routines.

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/7071/

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Hello... with all the discussion and postings of the memory maps, I
thought that it was about time that I started a little ASM programming. I
downloaded (and read) the model100 memory map... now that I know all these
codes, erm, what do I do? I know that an assembler won't just take all
those HEX (?) addresses... sorry to sound like such a moron.

Thanks,
Kevin

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That all depends on what you want to do.  

chris

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> Hello... with all the discussion and postings of the memory maps, I
> thought that it was about time that I started a little ASM programming. I
> downloaded (and read) the model100 memory map... now that I know all these
> codes, erm, what do I do? I know that an assembler won't just take all
> those HEX (?) addresses... sorry to sound like such a moron.

All those routines are just bits and pieces of things that the
M100/T102/NEC/etc know how to do. It is up to you, the programmer, to plan
out what you want your program to do and then sort out every little
detail. This is part of what makes assembler programming hard. Imagine
using tweezers to build a sand castle instead of a plastic bucket and
shovel. You end up doing that kind of detail work.

A suggestion:

1.  Start small. Find a book on the 8080 or 8085 (either will do to
    learn since they're very similar). Learn what the opcodes do.
    Read the introductory paragraphs that discuss registers, flags,
    how a CPU handles memory, the stack, and how the CPU hooks up
    to other things. A Z80 book will do a good intro job too, but the
    Z80 has more and different opcodes than the 8080 and 8085. Study
    the hardware AND the software.

2.  Write little programs to do things like add numbers, do loops,
    and the like. Put your results in specific memory locations
    using PEEK from BASIC to read your results. You can use an
    assembler, but try hand-coding some little programs to get
    a feel for how it all goes together.

3.  As you become comfortable, try writing subroutines for your
    BASIC programs. A little assembler can go a long way. Many
    times you do not need the whole thing to be assembler.

4.  Try writing a small program completely in assembler. To be honest,
    I never really did this because I never felt that I had to for a
    project. At this point, a good assembler/debugger is handy.

Note that I use the word "small" a lot. Large assembler programs can take
years of effort. Assembler is rewarding (though I find that I don't have
the desire to be that tedious much anymore) since you can make a normally
mild-mannered machine like the M100 really sing.

If you search with patience, you can find old books on 8080/8085
massembler at used book stores, hamfests, yard sales, or libraries.

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
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Hello,

I have a T100 that has only 24k... I would like to expand it.

here are the system spec's

	Running Chipmonk Dos... so the system bus is in use...
	has one open socket on the PCB that is marked "Option Ram"

Other Questions....

	is there a source for the Ram modules?
	Can the other Ram Modules be replaced with bigger ones?
	Will bank switching be an issue?

Other information on my wish list
	
	More information about the Chipmonk Drive system...  My drive works fine
at this point (it's minus the battary pack but it's been diconnected and
works fine would like to know more about current requirements... I might be
starving it for current)  If the drive it's self goes belly up, what can I
replace it with?  Can this drive be accessed from basic, text, etc?  Any
other OS's for this drive?

	Pin out for the modem jack?

	Other hardware hacks???

.
I am also thinking about writing a browser program (well sort of) that
would use an ISP's lynx program with the -s switch (this switch dumps the
source of the page)  I was wondering if anyone would be interested?  Of
course, this depends on how much time I have over the holidays ;)

thanks for any information,

Ray



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David Firth wrote:
> [lots of useful advice for getting into assembly language]

... and when you've done all that, grab a copy of FORTH for the Tandy
100 series, look at the source code, which is all in 8085 mnemonics, and
learn how to use FORTH to reduce your assembly development time.

FORTH seems to be the best match for doing a combination of assembly and
higher level language.  The semantics of BASIC do not make it easy; all
these peeks, pokes, and things make it difficult for me to figure out
what is going on.

See http://www.forth.org/ for introductory information.

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From MwalimuB@aol.com Fri Dec 18 01:16:37 1998
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Also get a good assembler.  I use TAMS 3.0. I got it from the Circuit Cellar
BBS when it was running.  It is excellently documented, and can be modified.
This is a nice feature since the 80c85 has some undocumented opposed that are
nice.  You'll find those in FS100, which is a FORTH built for the m100.
You'll find FS100 at FIG - Forth Interest Group - on the web.

chris

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On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Raymond Walden wrote:

> I have a T100 that has only 24k... I would like to expand it.
> [snip]
> 	is there a source for the Ram modules?

A 24K Model 100 is first expanded to 32K by splitting the case and adding
an 8K RAM module to the board.  See "Catalog" page at Club 100 web site.

		http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html

> 	Can the other Ram Modules be replaced with bigger ones?

The process will only address 32K of RAM and 32K of ROM.  Once you have a
32K Model 100, you can use the option ROM socket to hold either an extRAM
or XR4 for a second or 4 banks of additional RAM.  See "Catalog" page at
Club 100 web site. 

		http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html


> 	Will bank switching be an issue?

Yes ... but I'm speaking about the extRAM and XR4 when I answer yes.  The
programming for these units does the switching.  There were other RAM
bank units on the market over the years but they are all gone, now.  Club
100 remains a consistant source for Mdoel 100 products, such as RAM and
RAM expansion.

> Other information on my wish list
> 	
> 	More information about the Chipmonk Drive system...  My drive
> works fine at this point (it's minus the battary pack but it's been
> diconnected and works fine would like to know more about current
> requirements... I might be starving it for current)  If the drive it's
> self goes belly up, what can I replace it with?  Can this drive be
> accessed from basic, text, etc?  Any other OS's for this drive? 

There are no other OS's for the Chipmunk disk drive but, you just might be
able to find a back up unit.  I know that I might have 1 or 2 available.
Mike Nugent may have some, too.

If you choose to replace your Chipmunk with a different drive, your
choices are a tpdd or tpdd2 with the tpdd being more available than the
tpdd2, yet both are getting harder to find.  And, in either case, I will
recommend using the TS-DOS on ROM as your DOS for the tpdd and tpdd2. 
This will also allow you to easily share files with a PC via DeskLink and
a null-modem cable.  See "Catalog" page at Club 100 web site.

		http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html

> 	Pin out for the modem jack?
--

                           Phone Modem Cable Wiring

This is the view of the back of the connector that plugs into the phone
port on a Model 100, 102 or 200--where you re-solder the wires after
ripping them out of their sockets!!  Obviously, this is the weak point in
the system.  Note: You can actually swap the red and green--it will work
either way.


             o           o---green

     red---o       o       o

             o           o

                   o

When you look at the end of the RJ-11 plug (the end that goes into the
wall), the order of colors are: [Yellow] [Green] [Red] [Blue]

The "old style" phone/modem cable once offered by Tandy/Radio Shack has
two separate wires coming off the Model "T" end plug.  The gray lead went
to the phone jack in the wall and the beige went to a separate phone.
Here is how it is wired.

Pin 7 is green in beige,
Pin 1 is green in grey,
Pin 3 is both reds (common).
7 and 3 are the leads to connect (1 and 8 are for a separate phone).

the Club 100 phone/modem cable has only one lead.  It is used to connect
to a phone line, only.  If you also want to use a separate phone, simply
go out and purchase a RJ11 "Y" adaptor for the phones wall jack -- plug
the phone/modem cable into one side and the separate phone into the other
side.  This set up will work the same was as the 2-wire original
phone/modem cable.

FYI: Club 100 offers both new style and old style phone/modem cables.  The
old style has two leads (one for the modem and one for a phone) whereas
the new style as only one (for the modem).  We manufacture the new cables
and thus they are always available at moments notice.  Old style cables
are available only if we have some in the warehouse.  In either case,
phone/modem cables are available for $10.00 plus shipping.  See "catalog"
at the Club 100 web site.

                     http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html

--
> 	Other hardware hacks???

There's a lot of "hardweare hacks" on this listserv ... :-)

> I am also thinking about writing a browser program (well sort of) that
> would use an ISP's lynx program with the -s switch (this switch dumps
> the source of the page)  I was wondering if anyone would be interested? 
> Of course, this depends on how much time I have over the holidays ;) 

Good idea.  Go for it!  -Rick @ Club 100-


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Hi, I was wondering if it were possible to print through the RS-232c.
Maybe using the Save "COM:" command?  What I'd like to do is print to an
Imagwriter ][ (has an appletalk connector.  I have an rs-232 to appletalk
cord... but no centronix to appletalk).
It's not *super* important because I have a Tandy DMP-130a, but it's in a
more inconvenient place.  
Also, I can't u/l basic proggies i've written my self can I?  I heard I
have to use Xmodem, unless they have no special characters in the code.

Thanks
James
james225@cyberspace.org


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From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
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In mail, thedock@value.net writes:

> On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Raymond Walden wrote:
>
>>       Pin out for the modem jack?
> --
>
>                            Phone Modem Cable Wiring
>
> This is the view of the back of the connector that plugs into the phone
> port on a Model 100, 102 or 200--where you re-solder the wires after
> ripping them out of their sockets!!  Obviously, this is the weak point in
> the system.  Note: You can actually swap the red and green--it will work
> either way.
>
>
>              o           o---green
>
>      red---o       o       o
>
>              o           o
>
>                    o
>
> When you look at the end of the RJ-11 plug (the end that goes into the
> wall), the order of colors are: [Yellow] [Green] [Red] [Blue]
>
> The "old style" phone/modem cable once offered by Tandy/Radio Shack has
> two separate wires coming off the Model "T" end plug.  The gray lead went
> to the phone jack in the wall and the beige went to a separate phone.
> Here is how it is wired.
>
> Pin 7 is green in beige,
> Pin 1 is green in grey,
> Pin 3 is both reds (common).
> 7 and 3 are the leads to connect (1 and 8 are for a separate phone).
>
> the Club 100 phone/modem cable has only one lead.  It is used to connect
> to a phone line, only.  If you also want to use a separate phone, simply
> go out and purchase a RJ11 "Y" adaptor for the phones wall jack -- plug
> the phone/modem cable into one side and the separate phone into the other
> side.  This set up will work the same was as the 2-wire original
> phone/modem cable.

Actually, there *is* a difference. The original cable cuts off the
phone while the 100's built-in modem is in use. It also lets you pick
up the phone and have the 100 dial a number for you. I'm not sure if
that last works with your setup or not.

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
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> Also get a good assembler.  I use TAMS 3.0. I got it from the Circuit
>  Cellar
> BBS when it was running.  It is excellently documented, and can be
>  modified.
> This is a nice feature since the 80c85 has some undocumented opposed
>  that are
> nice.  You'll find those in FS100, which is a FORTH built for
> the m100.
> You'll find FS100 at FIG - Forth Interest Group - on the web.

Try as I might.  I did not find the FS100 on the FIG website.  Is this a
commercial item or is it available on the shareware/freeware concept.
Please help me with directions.

{on a side road somewhere off the Information Superhighway}

Kevin


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Does anyone have a working copy of XMODEM.NEC for the NEC8201a?  I
downloaded the one from the Club 100 library user upload directory and
line 1 reads "goto10612", problem being there is only 53 lines in the
program.  There are many more goto's with line numbers larger than 53,
so this version at least will not run.

I need a way to copy .CO files to and from NEC/PC.  I know the way to go
is the TS-DOS ROM, but I am going to be using the ROM/2 assembler in the
optional ROM slot so there is no room.  So I figured the XMODEM.NEC
should do nicely for saving any .CO's I write to the PC.

If you have a working XMODEM.NEC I'd appreciate it, or any suggestions
on saving .CO's using the ROM/2 I'd like to hear about it.

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George



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Kevin Slater wrote:
> Try as I might.  I did not find the FS100 on the FIG website.

It is obscured.  Here are the FORTH files that relate.

ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/fth100.arc
ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/fs100.arc
ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/m100-4th.4th
ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/m100-4th.doc
ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/m100-pt1.src
ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/m100-pt2.src
ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/model100.txt
ftp://ftp.taygeta.com/pub/Forth/Archive/others/px83-102.arc

I use the m100-* files, and I have even converted the source to Z-80
mnemonics, in case anybody prefers those due to the availability of a
Z-80 assembler.

Oh, I've got a suitable Z-80 assembler in C available as well.

You'd only need this to build it again.

To load the m100-* forth I changed the loading program and loaded from
serial port, because I have no floppy.

-- 
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I use a parallel-to-serial interface, so that I can hook up a VDT to the
Model 100, and produce output using the print function.  :-)

Yes, you can open the COM port, and write to it to talk to a serial printer.

You can transfer binary programs using Kermit
ftp://ftp.value.net/pub/thedock/c100/ups/ta100.ba
ftp://ftp.value.net/pub/thedock/c100/ups/ta100.do
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Date: 17 Dec 98 17:27:50
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Hi, I was wondering if it were possible to print through the RS-232c.
Maybe using the Save "COM:" command?  What I'd like to do is print to an
Imagwriter ][ (has an appletalk connector.  I have an rs-232 to appletalk
cord... but no centronix to appletalk).
It's not *super* important because I have a Tandy DMP-130a, but it's in a
more inconvenient place.  
Also, I can't u/l basic proggies i've written my self can I?  I heard I
have to use Xmodem, unless they have no special characters in the code.

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I just received a T200 with Super ROM installed in the optional ROM
socket but I am having trouble activating the ROM.  The ROM states to do
a CALL 27801,,0 but this just hangs the machine.  CALL 27801 brings up
Multiplan and CALL 27801,, give a ?MO error.  The ROM socket works with
the Multisolutions ROM .  The manuals that canme with the Super ROM are
all for the T100/102 and do not have instructions for the T200.  I have
cleaned all the contacts on the ROM and seated and unseated it several
times.  Does anyone have any suggestions??  Am I missing something
simple ??

Thanks in advance,
Klaus

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I solved the M200 ROM problem.  I simply hoa to bend the pins out a bit
in the ROM socket to get a good contact.  The carrier board sat quit
high in the socket so it did not make full contact whereas the ROMs from
Tandy have long contacts down the side of the ROM and thus gave full
contact.
I have not spent much time with the M200 but it is interesting to review
the memory structure on this machine.  Using a 40K ROM (thus making it a
24K RAM machine) with ROM switching to the internal Multiplan ROM or the
external ROM socket and with RAM bank switching included it makes the
machine quite different from the standard M100/102.

Regards,
Klaus

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I am building my first (ie:clueless newbie alert) serial port based
project, and need to be able to check the status of the Model 100 serial
port control lines.

Search as I have, I've been unable to find how to do it from within Basic? 
Am I overlooking something obvious, or is there a way to read the lines
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Just recently, when I resurrected my interest in my NEC PC-8201A computer (sister to the Tandy Model 100), I noticed that the Tandy Portland Disk Drive II that I had will no longer read any disks.   TS-DOS thinks that any disk I insert is unformatted, but when trying to format a disk I get a communications error.   I also get one of several communications errors when trying to connect the TPDD-2 to my Pentium's serial port and using the PDD.EXE program that I'd used many times before.

At this point, I don't know if it is the serial cable that attaches the drive to any standard RS-232C port, or if it is the drive itself.   What I do know is that I have about 20 3.5" disks that I can no longer read!  I have several questions:

1.  Does anyone know of someone that might do repair work on the TPDD drives?
2.  Does anyone know of a source for new or refurbished TPDD-2 drives?  I might want to purchase one.
3.  Would anyone be willing to lend/rent their TPDD-2 drive to me so I could copy my 20 disks onto another medium?
4.  Does anyone have one for sale? 

Any help is appreciated,

Gary Weber
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Steve Walker wrote:
> Am I overlooking something obvious, or is there a way to read the lines
> using an INP statement?

There is.  Certain lines are available.  Not all of the serial input
pins on the DB25 connector are connected internally.  Yes, there is an
I/O port address you can read to obtain the state of, say, CD, CTS and
DSR.
You can also program the output values of RTS and DTR.

The Club-100 library has a file in the technical section called PORTS.DO
which describes the addresses and bit positions of these control lines.

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Hi,

I am looking for the TRS-80 version of the (in)famous ENIGMA cypher, used
by the German army in WW II. I am quite sure that this program once
appeared in 80Micro, but even though I have the full 8 years of TRS-80
coverage (80-87), I can't find it. 

Is there someone out there with a complete list of articles from 80micro,
who can tell me where to look. And yes, could you send me the list :) ?

Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
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Hi all,
I was wondering, Is there a guide to EPROM burning somewhere? Even better
an EPROM burning guide specifically for M100s?  Or alternatively, are
there any PIC burners and/or BASIC Stamp programs around?
I'm just trying out this for the first time. So any used or 'for cheap'
burners that someone could point me too would be appreciated. (burners
could be either for a C64/128 Apple II, Mac Plus, or fast 486.)

Thanks for any help
James


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What exactly do these presumably coveted blue carry bags look like?  And
the hard covers/cases -- those are from Club100?

-r.


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I have a blue M100 case that's made of a rough surfaced cloth 
(nylon?) and has TANDY in white letters in the corner. It's padded 
and in the cover are some divided pockets with a velcro strap. 
There is also a pouch on the bottom left with a nylon strap to hold 
the M100 in. I had to extend the strap so it could hold my booster 
pak.
> 
> What exactly do these presumably coveted blue carry bags look like?  And
> the hard covers/cases -- those are from Club100?


Jim Kajpust - Personal Freedoms - Michigan
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I have a blue M100 case that's made of a rough surfaced cloth 
(nylon?) and has TANDY in white letters in the corner. It's padded 
and in the cover are some divided pockets with a velcro strap. 
There is also a pouch on the bottom left with a nylon strap to hold 
the M100 in. I had to extend the strap so it could hold my booster 
pak.
> 
> What exactly do these presumably coveted blue carry bags look 
like?  And
> the hard covers/cases -- those are from Club100?


Jim Kajpust - Personal Freedoms - Michigan
http://www.concentric.net/~jkajpust

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On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, I, Nerdius wrote:

> What exactly do these presumably coveted blue carry bags look like?  And
> the hard covers/cases -- those are from Club100? 

The "Blue Bag" was once sold by Tandy -- an there was a smaller one sold
just for the tpdd and tpdd2.  The Blue Bag was made from Nylon and well
padded.  A 270 degree pair of zippers attached the padded top to the
sides.  The top had compartments for keeping 8 1/2 x 11 items and smaller
items.  The bottom (with sides) was almost exactly the size of the Model
100 -- yet a little wider for a pouch used to hold cables.  It came with a
handle and sholder strap.  The tpdd/tpdd2 bag strapped externally to the
Blue Bag, but frankly, a tpdd/tpdd2 could be placed in with the Model 100
-- the bag would bulge out a bit but it was a nice fit and one didn't have
to disconnect the drive from the computer.

Alas, Blue Bags are where-is, as-is these days, but that's okay.  There
are plenty of bag-options on the market, now.

--

Regarding the famous Club 100 hard cover:

Oh my.  How do you know about those?  I know they are no longer in the
catalog.  They were ... wonderful!  A simple item: no connectors or moving
parts.  You didn't even need a rubber band to hold it on.  Just slap it on
the top (it extended down the sides about 1/4") and off you go.  A Model
100 or 102 with a Club 100 cover attached would not get scratched, and
dust and dirt would not build up in the keyboard.  And, the flat inside of
the cover was a great place to tape notes and reminders.  And last but not
least, having a cover and a set of prop legs, was a heaven-sent.  Simply
pop the cover off the Model 100/102, turn it up side down, place the legs
into the two rear case screw holes of the Model 100/102, and set the unit
with legs attached into the cover -- a prefect fit as a unit, creating a
wedge! Not only did the legs give the user a great typing angle but the
cover on the bottom made it confortable to use on ones lap!  You know... a
real "lap top computer!" 

Alas, all the covers are gone. [snif, snif]

...but, the demand for covers have risen over these last few years.  Would
it be reasonable to build more?  Unfortunately, the old method is no
longer available.  If covers were to return, a tool & die guy would have
to be hired to build an aluminum bold that would work in a vacuum forming
machine, then there would have to be a committment for a large number in a
production run.  The cost would be high (a few thousand) but would it be
worth it? 

Frankly, I don't think "worth it" is a question, any longer.  That's a
given.  And I don't think that "determining cost" is a factor, either. 
We're past that stage.  Why? 

...cause I made the committment late last year, thanks to "the final
straw" a long time Club 100 member and good friend, Carsten Martensen in
New York.  To make a long story short, the prototype is with the tool &
die maker and the production run will take place shortly.  I will make the
formal announcement once I see the product and determin the final pricing.

And there's more to this story... but I will present all of that, later.

At your service... -Rick-

Richard Hanson, Proprietor       thedock@value.net
Club 100: The Model "T" User Group (since 1983)
P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523-0438
925-932-8956, fax 937-5039, bbs 939-1246
http://www.the-dock.com/club100.html




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I know that the GEnie service is long gone (and the Laptops round table even
longer than that), but I'm wondering if anyone on this
mailing list might have the entire NEC PC-8201A/8300 file download archives
that were on GEnie?

I haven't been able to find Dave Thomas anywhere.  I *really* hope that all
of those files weren't simply lost.   They certainly didn't
make it onto CompuServe (at least not a good majority of them).

Thanks for any info,

Gary.
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> I know that the GEnie service is long gone (and the Laptops round table even
> longer than that), but I'm wondering if anyone on this
> mailing list might have the entire NEC PC-8201A/8300 file download archives
> that were on GEnie?

I remember the demise of the laptops roundtable on GEnie. I was sorry to
see it go.  Unfortunately, I pulled out of GEnie when I had an M100, long
before I bought my NEC, and paid no attention to the NEC files back then.
I'm still on CIS, but that likely won't be for long. 

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
Newton MP2100 ! Thou speakest aright; I am that merry wanderer of
NEC PC-8201A  ! the night. I jest to Oberon and make him smile...
Tandy 102     !   -- from MND by WS (II, 1, 42-44)



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Once upon a midnight dreary, Gary Weber had spoken clearly:

>I haven't been able to find Dave Thomas anywhere.

Have you tried Wendy's?!?!?!?  ;^>

Bwahahahahaha!

Just kidding. ;-)

"Merch"


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Steve Walker wrote:

> I am building my first (ie:clueless newbie alert) serial port based
> project, and need to be able to check the status of the Model 100
> serial port control lines.
>
> Search as I have, I've been unable to find how to do it from within
> Basic?  Am I overlooking something obvious, or is there a way to read
> the lines using an INP statement?

The ClearToSend and DataSetReady lines terminate at I/O port 179: CTS is
bit 4; DSR is bit 5.  Where these bits are read by a BASIC INP statement: 0
means asserted; 1 means not asserted.  For the CTS and DSR lines, the
one-line BASIC program below reports whether each is asserted or not
asserted.

0 N$=" asserted":N$(0)="not":N$(1)="is":
M%=2^4+2^5:R%=M%ANDINP(179)XORM%:PRINT"C
TS "N$(SGN(2^4ANDR%))N$,"DSR "N$(SGN(2^5
ANDR%))N$



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Matt: I'm going to echo your message and my reply out to the Club 100 list
for multiple responses.

On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Matthew S. Whitlock wrote:

> I know that in theory that my model 100 can send and receive email...but
> HOW???  Yes, it is probably in the library, but I don't see it. If you
> could steer me right, it would be much appreciate it. 

Yes.  There are two parts to the subject, 1) Developing the knowledge and
skills necessary to do this, and 2) Setting up an account that you can
access with your Model 100

Part 1: The easiest way to develop the skills necessary is to practice
using a simple host system that's dedicated to Model "T" computing.  The
Club 100 BBS at 925-939-1246 is such a system.  Except for the phone call,
it's free, and a tutorial awaits you.  Start by going to the / Club 100
library / whole enchilada / questions, questions, questions / and get the
following:

 - Logging onto the Club 100 BBS
 - BBS general use tutorial with "assignments"

Study and practice

Part 2: Assuming when you say "email" you mean "internet transported 
email" select a service that will allow for a simple ASCII terminal
connection, i.e., compuserve, mcimail, a shell account set for tty with a
termcap, etc. and apply what you learned in part 1.

> What are my options, Compuserve, I think is what I have heard?  What
> software do I use, If any? 

You will use the built in TELCOM program in your Model 100 to start with.
It's a pretty good one and you will find enhansements in the "telcom"
category at the Club 100 library.  One of the more useful utilities is the
ability to exit telcom while holding the line, to use text and basic, then
return to telcom where you left off.  The other utility worth looking into
is an xmodem program for cleaner file transfers -- the best is X-TEL.

FYI: It's currently not online.  I've been meaning to do so and will, this
week, now that I've finally remembered about it due to this conversation.
Seem sto me that I have a lot of "oops I forgot all about that" projects
laying around.

Good luck... -Rick-



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Hello,

I've heard of people buring audio Cd's for the Tandy and then using a
walkman much as you would use a casset recorder.   Any one know if this
would work? 
I really can't see why it wouldn't work.  I just don't have a burner to try
it with.  

I've also run into a slight problem with my browser project( well, it's not
really a browser per say) ...   The ~ (tilde)  I know that one of the
graphics key's produces the same char code so that is not a problem... the
problem is, I would like to display it as a tilde.   So my question is... 
is the Charecter bitmaps in rom or are they loaded into ram on start up....
 I would think that they would reside in Rom to save space.  Anyone know if
you can change them and at what address they reside?

Thanks
Ray

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Raymond Walden wrote:
> I've heard of people burning audio CD's for the Tandy and then using a
> walkman much as you would use a cassette recorder.   Any one know if
> this would work?

I believe it would work.  I haven't tried it.  I have limited access to
a burner but I can't really justify the cost of a blank CD in case it
doesn't work.  ;-)

> The ~ (tilde)  I know that one of the graphics key's produces the same
> char code so that is not a problem... the problem is, I would like to
> display it as a tilde.

Strange, I thought it was displayable.  I shall have to test.

> So my question is... is the Character bitmaps in rom or are they loaded
> into ram on start up....

ROM.

> Anyone know if you can change them and at what address they reside?

You can change ROM by burning a new one.

Last time I checked, the writing of the characters was handled by the
ROM using the bitmaps.  You could write your own version pointing at
your own bitmap table.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

OpenVMS, Linux, Firewalls, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH,
COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers,
Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control,
Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband.

"Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

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For your edification, here's a colorful and fond description of the 100
found on eBay.  
-r. 

**************************************************************************

Journalists all over the world fell in love with this laptop machine, and
with good reason.  You can place-kick it for days and not hurt it; there
are no moving parts, it's got a nice text-writing program, BASIC and a
funky spreadsheet, appointment keeper and address/phone list programs in
ROM.  Internal 300 baud modem.  Stores days and days of thoughts and other
text in memory and runs 20 hours on 4 AA batteries. Turn it on, it's on.
No boot-up. Tab over to "Text" name a document and start writing. Turn it
off, and your text is waiting there when you turn it on again. Transfering
the files to a PC takes a fraction of a second, requiring only a nul-modem
serial cable and a tiny program I'll provide on disk. The Tandy Model 100
runs on what is reportedly the last code actually written by Bill Gates
himself, and it's testimony to his early nerdy prowess -- very tight, very
efficient code taking up very little room. LCD screen is tough and visible
in any light. Write in the car, in your bed, at the coffee table, on the
kitchen counter, or sitting under a tree. I've used mine to write
front-page newspaper stories leaning against a shed in the shade of prison
riot, as a passenger in a speeding car, in legislative chambers, press
rooms, courtrooms, places I hate to remember. And it NEVER failed me.
NEVER. Never lost a story because of a disk failure, or because Windows
froze up, or because the power went out. Will include manual and modem
cord. Nul-modem cable (32-pin serial) can be had at any computer shop for
a couple bucks. Good luck. This is a good machine for story writers,
letter writers, inventory-takers, list-keepers, poets, playwrights --
anyone who writes because they need to. Cashier' check or money order
preferred and will assure immediate shipping. Personal Checks accepted,
but shipping will be delayed 10 days to clear. Very reasonable reserve.
Buyer pays reasonable and actual shipping costs.



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> > char code so that is not a problem... the problem is, I would like to
> > display it as a tilde.
> 
> Strange, I thought it was displayable.  I shall have to test.

You are right... I found it...  It's just not at the same ascii code...
sorry about that...
-Ray


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Once upon a midnight dreary, I, Nerdius had spoken clearly:

[blab, blab, blab]

>Nul-modem cable (32-pin serial) can be had at any computer shop for
>a couple bucks.

Erm... Not at mine! ;-)

Rick, got any of those??? ;-)

"Merch"


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> From: Raymond Walden 
> To: M100 Listserv 
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> Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 7:40 PM
> 
> > > char code so that is not a problem... the problem is, I would like to
> > > display it as a tilde.
> > 
> > Strange, I thought it was displayable.  I shall have to test.
> 
> You are right... I found it...  It's just not at the same ascii code....

Now to look like a total boob...   It is  the same Char Code....  Had to do
some playing to find witch key combo to use however... it's
>[> ... that's what I get for trusting my memory. ;->  I must
of been thinking about another symbol.

Sorry about that....

Ray

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Interesting concept. I have a burner and would be willing to burn a CD and give it a try. 
I think I could use a tape deck connected to the line input on my PC to convert the M100 programs into .wav files. Then I could use a program that takes the wave files and creates audio tracks on the CD. Yes, I think this will work. I'll try it when I have some spare time and let you guys know what happens.

I once connected my M100's cassete cables to the line in & outputs of the soundcard of my PC. I was able to save & load programs into .wav files on the PC. 


P.S. If this email is mis-directed, could you please forward it to the group?

Thanks,

Paul Martinez



 ---- On Jan  6 James Cameron  wrote: 
> Raymond Walden wrote:
> > I've heard of people burning audio CD's for the Tandy and then using a
> > walkman much as you would use a cassette recorder.   Any one know if
> > this would work?
> 
> I believe it would work.  I haven't tried it.  I have limited access to
> a burner but I can't really justify the cost of a blank CD in case it
> doesn't work.  ;-)
> 
> > The ~ (tilde)  I know that one of the graphics key's produces the same
> > char code so that is not a problem... the problem is, I would like to
> > display it as a tilde.
> 
> Strange, I thought it was displayable.  I shall have to test.
> 
> > So my question is... is the Character bitmaps in rom or are they loaded
> > into ram on start up....
> 
> ROM.
> 
> > Anyone know if you can change them and at what address they reside?
> 
> You can change ROM by burning a new one.
> 
> Last time I checked, the writing of the characters was handled by the
> ROM using the bitmaps.  You could write your own version pointing at
> your own bitmap table.
> 
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Hi,

> From: I, Nerdius 
> 
> For your edification, here's a colorful and fond description of the 100
> found on eBay.  
>
**************************************************************************
> Journalists all over the world fell in love with this laptop machine,
[..]
> And it NEVER failed me. NEVER. Never lost a story 

I wonder why he's selling it, then ?

> Nul-modem cable (32-pin serial) can be had at any computer shop for
> a couple bucks. 

Nah. Make your own null-modem converter ! :)

Greetings from the TyRannoSaurus
Jan-80

Please, quote all prices in Euro :)



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>OK ...

>I used a CD-ROM burner on the desktop to burn a Model 100 CD. It has all
>the programs on it that I have for the M100.

I've been thinking about making a dry run by making a*.wav file on my pc...
need to find a cable for the cassete interface (any one know the RSU number
or pinout?)

Issues....

	any one know what sample rate to use when recording the Wav file?
	
	I think you can cut an audio track from a wav file but again, I don't have
a 	burner so, I don't know.

-Ray



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> Issues....

>	Cassetee cable
Don't know the RSU number off hand, but RS has them in their binders in
the back of the store & the club 100 sells them
> 
> 	any one know what sample rate to use when recording the Wav file?
I've always found 44k satisfactory

> 	
>I think you can cut an audio track from a wav file but again, I don't
>have
> a burner so, I don't know.
Yes, you can.
 
> -Ray
> 
> 
Kevin


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On or about 10:16 PM 1/7/99 -0500, LordTyran was caught in a dark alley
speaking these words:

>> 	any one know what sample rate to use when recording the Wav file?
>I've always found 44k satisfactory

Uh, it's not just *satisfactory*... It's the Law!!!   ;-)

Really, CD sampling is 44.1KHz, so you might as well sample at that rate -
recording higher and decreasing before writing is a waste of time - you'll
not get a cleaner .wav out of that (as tape really doesn't handle much past
22KHz); and recording with a lower sampling and upping it to 44.1KHz just
adds an extra step and takes more time.

>>I think you can cut an audio track from a wav file but again, I don't
>>have a burner so, I don't know.
>Yes, you can.

Yupper. With a good software package, you could also make audio tracks at
the beginning so you can play the disk on a regular CD player, but have
data tracks of all the program listings at the end of the CD so you could
open the proggies in an emulator on your favourite home computer (ah,
provided it can read a CD-ROM... ;-) -- or -- write a little proggie on
said 'puter so it can serialize the proggies down to a Model 'T'.

In this instance, it will help to keep those files in an 8.3 (6.2) format,
if such limitations are imposed...

Hope this helps,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, LordTyran wrote:

> > Cassetee cable
> Don't know the RSU number off hand, but RS has them in their binders in
> the back of the store & the club 100 sells them

Club 100 has cassette cables...

Every once and awhile, someone says they are looking for a Model
100/102/200 cassette cable and everyone immediately wants to call Radio
Shack.  Why?

Club 100 has a lot of cassette cables hanging on the cable wall in the
warehouse.  US$5.00 will have one on its way to you anywhere in the USA
and Canada.  Add $2.00 more for the rest of the world.  To order simply
send cash, check or money order to Club 100, P.O. Box 23438, Pleasant
Hill, CA 94523.


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What about the Remote/on/off switch.  How do you let the M100 know when to
start downloading?  How do you let the PC know when to start recording?

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It's been in the work for a couple of weeks now, and it is finally 
online.   What is it?  WEB 8201.  Where is it?  Here:

   http://www.kistech.com/gweber/web8201/

Since 1984 when I got my first NEC PC-8201A, I've collected a ton of 
software and technical information, as well as written quite a few 
programs myself.  I learned 8085 assembly on this little machine, and 
enjoyed every minute of it.  Converting programs (both Basic and machine 
language) from the Model 100 to run on the NEC has been one of my most 
rewarding activities.

I decided that I wanted an easy way to share all of my NEC information 
with the rest of the NEC community.  On the site you'll find 
downloadable software, technical documents, links to other Kyocera 
laptop sites, support resources, and other information.

The file library is only a beginning, there will be lots more to come as 
I transfer more of my software library to the site over time.  Right now 
I'm working on finishing my M100 --> NEC ROM call and RAM address 
conversion table, which I will post when its done.  

This conversion table eventually be incorporated into the BASCON utility 
(for the IBM) that I already have which converts ASCII-saved M100 Basic 
programs to the NEC.  Right now, BASCON only translates the PRINT@ to 
LOCATEX,Y statements, and reports on the line numbers which contain 
POKE, PEEK, LINK, VARPTR, and other statements which warrant 
investigation for complete conversion to the NEC.  I plan to expand it's 
functionality, by allow it to convert CALL xxxxx statements into the 
equivalent EXEC xxxxx statements with their addresses converted.  Also, 
any PEEK or POKE statements referring to known bookkeeping addresses 
will also be converted.

My next project is to create a utility to convert a Tandy Model 100 
machine language program for the NEC using the same cross-address table.

Does anyone want to help with the address conversion over the 
bookkeeping area?  Using the Covington M100 memory map, and my own NEC 
memory map, I converted all of the common ROM addresses, but I've only 
just started with the bookkeeping area, and I'd love to have some help 
with this since it's about 3.5K of mostly two-byte addresses and will 
take a LOT more time in my opinion..

Anyway, my intent is to add more and more resources to WEB 8201 to make 
it the "one-stop" web site for the NEC.  Give it a look!

--
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Everyone... Tho I've decided to use different (better) software to control
the listserve a while ago, I've not had the time to be able to implement
it. (what with my wife 9 months along, part-owner of a computer store this
year - and X-mas an exceptionally busy time with it, etc...)

Anywho, I've finally downloaded, untarred, compiled and installed the new
software and it installed without a hitch, so I'm ready to start testing
the software.

As this software is:
1) designed to work hand-in-hand with the mail server software we use,
2) in use by a *lot* of very knowledgeable people

I suspect testing should take less than a week.

Some things I know:
- Subscribing / unsubscribing will be different. Will have more info on
that later.
- The list will be even faster, as there's lower overhead and uses a
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- The list will (finally) have a digest feature, but I'm not sure how to
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- These crazy bounce messages will *disappear*. The list software has
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- Despite the fact that the list software runs itself ;-) it can be set up
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still host the list without a hitch and be adminned from afar.

Now, I've not fully read the dox on this stuff yet, so there's a few things
I don't know:

- I don't know how to convert the old list database to the new. I suspect
it's possible (t'would be crazy if it couldn't)- but how to do it I'm not
sure yet.
- I'm not sure how to set up a web-page for sub/unsubbing... Again,
methinks it can be done, but not sure how to set up the interface to it.

I'm sure there's other issues, but these are the biggies off'n the top of
my head right now. With some reading & lotsa caffeine, things should be
switched over and running smoothly pretty soon.

Yea, things have been running pretty slowly with the list admin over the
last some-odd months, and for that I do apologize. Despite the fact this is
no excuse, tho, if anyone's interested in my life story over the last year,
email me privately and I'll fill you in on all the gritty details. Trust
me, you'll realize just how *good* you've had it in '98.

To quote my wife (who rarely swears) a few days before 31 Dec.: "I can't
wait for 1999. It's got to be better than '98. How the hell could it get
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See ya, and thanks for the bandwidth,
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Roger: You are a jewel.  Without your extensive efforts over the long
haul, we just would not have this wonderful tool.  We all owe you a GREAT
BIG THANK YOU for everything.  And now, it will even be better. 

We've talked in the past about some of the things you put up with and,
indeed, you are a real trooper.  If there is anything I can offer to help
the cause, please say the word.

On behalf of all the super nice people in Club 100, around the world, we
wish you and your family all the best.  1999 will be better.  -Rick-


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All right, this has been annoying me since I got my PacBell.  Why does
DeskLink refuse to work in Windows???  I got a null modem cable.  I got TS DOS
in ROM.  I've tried operating in DOS mode, switching my modem to COM2, booting
the computer with the A: drive.  I can't figure this out!  Help!

chris

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On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 MwalimuB@aol.com wrote:

> All right, this has been annoying me since I got my PacBell.  Why does
> DeskLink refuse to work in Windows???  I got a null modem cable.  I got
> TS DOS in ROM.  I've tried operating in DOS mode, switching my modem to
> COM2, booting the computer with the A: drive.  I can't figure this out! 
> Help!  chris

Seriously Chris, this is the first I've heard where desklink.com doesn't
work and I want to know what's going on.  You are the first report. 

You purchased TS-DOS ROM for your NEC but not one of our cables.  And not
all null-modem cables are the same.  Are you saying that desklink runs but
you can't access it?  If this is the case, it could definately be the
cable.  I will put the cable diagram in a separate messsage to you so as
to not dump this on the group, yet again.

Tell us the following, please.

1) What happens, step by step, when you run the desklink.com program?

2) Have you tried it on another computer -- a friends, or at work, etc.?

TO ALL: Please report your experiences running desklink.com, i.e.
what platform, what shell, any special items to note, etc.

-Rick @ Club 100-



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At 09:58 AM 1/9/99 EST, you wrote:
>All right, this has been annoying me since I got my PacBell.  Why does
>DeskLink refuse to work in Windows???  I got a null modem cable.  I got TS
DOS
>in ROM.  I've tried operating in DOS mode, switching my modem to COM2,
booting
>the computer with the A: drive.  I can't figure this out!  Help!
>
>chris
>

Hi, to be quite honest with you, I think the problem lies not in the
software, but in your computer. I too own a packard bell, and the com port
has never worked, I know other people with other models of PacBells who
have encountered similar problems, I have tried reconfiguring the com
ports/modem in every possible, fashion, but it has never worked, I cant
offer any advice on getting it to work (obviously) but i thought it might
help


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I just fixed a problem that my friend had that sounds a lot like the one
you are describing.  It turned out that he had an internal modem on com2
and a mouse on com1.  Thus DESK-LINK would not communicate with the
M100.  Removing the internal modem and then setting the jumper on the
I/O card to enable com2 fixed everything.  Although TS-DOS with
DESK-LINK is very simple it has worked on every machine that I have
tried it on!!!!! Something to be said for keeping it simple.

My advice would be to test your com ports.

Regards,
Klaus

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Great explanation, Chris, so I am forwarding this over to the list. Some
of the guys have already responded with similar situations and solutions. 
I don't thing DeskLink or TS-DOS is the problem but your PackerdBell
system might be a bit on the edge for the program work even though it
worked just fine on other systems.  Please take note of some of ideas
offered by others.  Sounds like you know your way around these things. 
I'm sure you'll figure it out.  -Rick-

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From: MwalimuB@aol.com
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Subject: Re: DeskLink and WIN95

First off, I don't think it's DeskLink.  It has worked on my old 386, but
alas, that computer has gone to the great computer store in the sky.  No, I
think it's Windows and how it handles COM ports.  This is what I do:

1) Get into MSDOS mode.
2) start DESKLINK
3) Start TSDOS
4) when I mash F4, I am greated with Nothing.  If I mash on the Stop key, I
get communications error and a return to the RAM window.

Now, the modem (PC) is on COM1.  If I try DESKLINK with the /2 option, I get
COM2 is not installed - which is Baloney since I use COM2 to communicate with
the M100 or PC82 via MSWORKS TELECOM.

I've tried switching the Modem to COM2, but there is no difference.

I've tried using /S and running at 9600 baud.  No difference.

My cable is wired for Full Null Modem - pin4 to pin5 - pin6 to pin20.  Since
it works with other communications programs, I think the cable works, besides,
it's the same cable that I used successfully with the 386.  ARRGHHH!!!!!!!!

chris


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I had something the same problem. I have Mouse on com1, modem on com2. I =
discovered that I had to have two different port configurations to =
choose from at startup. Now when I want to use DeskLink I restart with a =
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I had something the same problem. I have Mouse on =
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I'm forwarding your message and my response to the gang on the Club 100
list just in case some of them would like to chime in with some ideas.

On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Lazaro Gonzalez wrote:

> I purchased a TS-DOS Rom and some cables from you last week. I called
> you on friday because I could not load the Rom chip. You told me to
> check the traces and on the chip and if that was ok try a cold start.
> Well the cold start fixed it all. All last night I was copying files. It
> really works like a charm! 

Yep!  You had a diferent ROM installed in that machine.  I believe it was
one that was built for use by some news service to make it easy for
journalists/reporters to transmit their files to the company mainframe.
The cold start will clean up any Model "T" and is actually a good thing to
do from time to time.  I am glad you are pleased with your purchase and
support, thus far.

> Today I downloaded the VTEMUL.100 (VT100 Emmulation program) to my A:
> drive from your web page. I changed the name to VTEMUL.BA and ran it. At
> first It gave me an error ?"SN Error in 22055". I went in and looked at
> the code and it was the first line of the program which was the title
> and the name of the person who wrote it. I went back to BASIC and ran it
> again.  This time the screen went completely blank and its been dead
> ever since. "WHAT Have I DONE!"

Don't panic!  Frankly, it's not your fault!  It is MY FAULT for not
writing something in the library to help set the ideas about how to use
the programs from the library.

In the "old BBS days" we all understood that a stock Model 100 could only
transfer files online that were in ASCII (.DO extension).  So, all the
files in our library on the Club 100 BBS were in ASCII!  We used the
extension as a reference to what the file was.  A program file was named
.BA, docs for .DO, and if there were platform-specific versions of a
program, the extension would name the platform, i.e. .100, .200, .nec.

Today is a different ball game.  Our library is on the web!  Access to it
is via DOS/Windows computers, Macs, OS/2, etc.  Absolutely all the file
downloads are to some other computer, not directly into a Model "T".
Alas, it is now absolutely not obvious that the files need to be converted
before they can be used and enjoyed.

So, it's time for...

THE FUNDAMENTAL PROCESS FOR USING PROGRAMS FROM THE CLUB 100 LIBRARY

If you are going to download files from the library using a DOS/Windows
computer, you need to know how to convert the files into runnable code vs.
just a text file.  All of the programming online is in ASCII (AKA .DO
files) regardless of the extension indicated online.  To "run" these
programs in your Model "T" you must first...

1) download the program from the library to your DOS/Windows computer
2) rename the extension to .DO
3) load it over to your Model "T"
4) go into BASIC
5) LOAD"FILENAME ... and wait for the OK prompt
6) SAVE"FILNAME ... to create the runable version
7) exit BASIC

You may now run the program.  But before you do, a good idea is to save
the runnable version (.BA, or if the .ba version creates a .co version
.CO) back to your DOS/Windows computer so you don't have to convert the
program each time you want to use it.

--

> Any information on how to get out of this mess will be greatly
> appreciated. This machine grows on you, the more I use it the more I
> like it.

Hey... sounds like you're one of us, now.  Still cracy after all these
years and enjoying it.

> P.S. I logged into my University Solix account and it works just fine
> but the screen doesn't support the width of the text. This is why I was
> downloading the VT 100.

When you get this working, I would like you to post a step-by-step on how
you got it to work.

TO ALL: I'd like others to do the same, i.e. tell us about connecting to a
shell account, setting up a termcap, etc. Leave nothing out of your
explanations, please.  More folks are asking this question and we need a
number of "detailed" examples. 

-Rick @ Club 100-


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In mail, thedock@value.net writes:

>> Today I downloaded the VTEMUL.100 (VT100 Emmulation program) to my A:
>> drive from your web page. I changed the name to VTEMUL.BA and ran it. At
>> first It gave me an error ?"SN Error in 22055". I went in and looked at
>> the code and it was the first line of the program which was the title
>> and the name of the person who wrote it. I went back to BASIC and ran it
>> again.  This time the screen went completely blank and its been dead
>> ever since. "WHAT Have I DONE!"
>
> Don't panic!  Frankly, it's not your fault!  It is MY FAULT for not
> writing something in the library to help set the ideas about how to use
> the programs from the library.
>
> In the "old BBS days" we all understood that a stock Model 100 could only
> transfer files online that were in ASCII (.DO extension).  So, all the
> files in our library on the Club 100 BBS were in ASCII!  We used the
> extension as a reference to what the file was.  A program file was named
> .BA, docs for .DO, and if there were platform-specific versions of a
> program, the extension would name the platform, i.e. .100, .200, .nec.
>
> Today is a different ball game.  Our library is on the web!  Access to it
> is via DOS/Windows computers, Macs, OS/2, etc.  Absolutely all the file
> downloads are to some other computer, not directly into a Model "T".
> Alas, it is now absolutely not obvious that the files need to be converted
> before they can be used and enjoyed.
>
> So, it's time for...
>
> THE FUNDAMENTAL PROCESS FOR USING PROGRAMS FROM THE CLUB 100 LIBRARY
>
> If you are going to download files from the library using a DOS/Windows
> computer, you need to know how to convert the files into runnable code vs.
> just a text file.  All of the programming online is in ASCII (AKA .DO
> files) regardless of the extension indicated online.  To "run" these
> programs in your Model "T" you must first...
>
> 1) download the program from the library to your DOS/Windows computer
> 2) rename the extension to .DO
> 3) load it over to your Model "T"
> 4) go into BASIC
> 5) LOAD"FILENAME ... and wait for the OK prompt
> 6) SAVE"FILNAME ... to create the runable version
> 7) exit BASIC

Much simpler:

1) download the program from the library to your DOS/Windows computer
2) go into BASIC on the 100/102/200
3) LOAD"COM:98n1e"
4) send file to the 100/102/200 with a terminal program at 19200 8n1,
   XON/Xoff handshaking enabled. If BASIC prompt doesn't return on
   100/102/200, send a ctrl-Z from the PC.
5) SAVE"FILNAME ... to create the runable version
6) repeat with next program, or exit BASIC.

Note that the above allows you to get *much* bigger files onto the 100
because you don't need room for both the text version *and* the
tokenized version.

Also, the 100 *will* load DO files from RAM, so it may be able to do so
via the TS-DOS ROM. Try telling it to LOAD"A:filename.do" (I'm assuming
A: is the drive ID)

I know this works with the DVI, which uses much the same "hooks" into
ROM/high RAM.

> TO ALL: I'd like others to do the same, i.e. tell us about connecting to a
> shell account, setting up a termcap, etc. Leave nothing out of your
> explanations, please.  More folks are asking this question and we need a
> number of "detailed" examples. 

First thing to do is find out if the system already *has* a Model 100
entry in /etc/termcap. If it does, get the login script on your shell
(usually .login in your home directory) account changed to prompt you
for terminal type and enter the name used in the M100 termcap.

If they *don't* have a model 100 entry in /etc/termcap, ask if they'd
be willing to add one, and mail them a copy of the M100 termcap.

If they aren't willing to add it to the termcap, it may be possible
(depending on your shell) to set your login script to prompt you for
terminal type and then use a *local* termcap file if you enter M100.
That's what I used to do. 

If they use terminfo instead of termcap, then things get messier. 

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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MwalimuB@aol.com wrote:
> What about the Remote/on/off switch.  How do you let the M100 know when
> to start downloading?  How do you let the PC know when to start
> recording?

Finger synchronisation.

On the loading of programs from CD, you could open up your CD drive, and
tie the motor switching cable (the thin one) in to the play button.
You have to be confident in making such design adjustments to consumer
gear.

-- 
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I've built a 512K byte RAM DISK.  I used a 512k SRAM and an 81c55 PIO.  It is
relatively simple to do and works well (thus far).  All I need now is a DOS to
go with it (the next project).

The details are on my web page:

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/7017/index.html

chris

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A long time ago I tried to collect UPC bar codes from CDs and books using 
the Tandy bar code wand and some of the included bar code files that came 
with my NEC. I was unsuccessful: as I recall, I couldn't get the NEC to 
actually store the bar code data in a file.

Before I invest any new intellectual capital in this project, have any 
other NEC 8201 users had success with UPCs and the bar code reader?

Thanks!

Jim Kessler

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Gary,
the site looks great, and it's just what I've been looking for since my
recent purchase of a secondhand 8201 and an 8300.  Thanks for all your
effort!

Arlen Michaels

> ----------
	On Friday, January 8, 1999, gary weber wrote:

> It's been in the work for a couple of weeks now, and it is finally 
> online.   What is it?  WEB 8201.  Where is it?  Here:
> 
>    http://www.kistech.com/gweber/web8201/
> 
> 

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From: eric@lightbolt.com (eric)
Subject: NEC Barcodes

jkessler@mail.maine.rr.com wrote a question that I can answer ... jkessler
writes:

A long time ago I tried to collect UPC bar codes from CDs and books using
the Tandy bar code wand and some of the included bar code files that came
with my NEC. I was unsuccessful: as I recall, I couldn't get the NEC to
actually store the bar code data in a file.

Before I invest any new intellectual capital in this project, have any
other NEC 8201 users had success with UPCs and the bar code reader?

Thanks!

Jim Kessler

++++++++++++++++ OK JIM +++++++++++++++++

I write Point Of Sale software on WinDoz and other desk-top computers but I
also wrote Barcode software for the NEC and M100 years ago.

The NEC is good at reading and storing BARCODE data. And because it can use
two banks of 32k RAM, it can hold a HUGE amount of data. Also, the Barcode
reading software is VERY SAMLL.

I have some Barcode reading software on an option ROM chip that frees most
of the memory for bank #1 and then puts additional data in bank #2. This
gives you very close to 64k of RAM with an UNexpaned Nec8201A.

If you add a sidecar you get 4 more bakns of 32k for 128k total.

So... Whay can't you read the data?

A) Wand vs Gun.

Most barcode wands are UNDECODED. That means they send the pulse data to
the NEC. The NEC then must figure out what the code is and translate it
into text.

If you are using a WAND then you need to have the write driver loaded. The
Drivers are code symboligies like:
Code 3 of 9
UPC-A
UPC-E
Jan
 and so on.

Get the little cassette tape that came with your NEC and load th Barcode
reader program called CODE3O9.BA. Look in the Pink application manual and
it will tell you how to read the books and CD's.

Code 3 of 9 should work to read the UPC codes on CD's.

Now I havn't does this on the NEC for a few years so I may have muffed a
step, but what you need to do si:
1) Load a symboligy driver from the NEC's tape
2) Write a program (or use the one in the book) to SAVE the data to RAM:

That's it!

B) If you are using a GUN.

MOST new guns ARE DECODED ... that is they read the barcode, and send the
ASCII data to the:
Terminal, Serial port or Keybord or you Mac, PC, data Terminal or ... NEC!

In this case you need to write a porgram to POLL the COM (Serial or SIO1
port). Thesre is an interupt on the M100 (can't remember if it is on the
NEC) to let a BASIC program jump to a part int he program if any data is
received at the serial port (or SIO1).

MOST guns will work on the BCR port but they MUST be UNDECODED. Thay also
will draw too much power and the NEC screen won't turn on. BUt besides that
little hitch, they work. My point ... you need a power adapter for and
undecoded gun at the BCR port.

So ...

If you use a DECODED GUN use the SERIAL port and you basic program just
need to read the port and save the data to RAM:

Did this help?

IF YOU DID ALL THIS ...

 the Tandy bar code wand SUCKS !!! For $99 you can get a better one! And
that might be the problem. I have about 50 new Tandy bar code wands - like
anyone cares.

Let me know what you discover. I have a NEC with a barcode wand and can
re-learn this very fast if your still stuck.


When You think as fast as Lightning,
Your bound to make spelling errors.

Lightning Bolt
1-800-968-5670

7809 Raintree Dr
Ypsilanti MI 48197



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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, eric wrote:

> Get the little cassette tape that came with your NEC and load th Barcode
> reader program called CODE3O9.BA. Look in the Pink application manual
> and it will tell you how to read the books and CD's. 

I don't know if this will help but, all the programming from the bar code
tape is at the Club 100 web site and on the bbs.  Go into the Library
feature, select "Member Uploads", then scroll down to "From: Robert
Benson".  Robert was our librarian for years (circa 1980s). 

-Rick @ Club 100-


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On 01/12/1999 10:41 AM, eric at eric@lightbolt.com is rumored to have 
typed:

>jkessler@mail.maine.rr.com wrote a question that I can answer ... jkessler
>writes:
>
>A long time ago I tried to collect UPC bar codes from CDs and books using
>the Tandy bar code wand and some of the included bar code files that came
>with my NEC. I was unsuccessful: as I recall, I couldn't get the NEC to
>actually store the bar code data in a file.
>
>Before I invest any new intellectual capital in this project, have any
>other NEC 8201 users had success with UPCs and the bar code reader?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jim Kessler
>
>++++++++++++++++ OK JIM +++++++++++++++++
>
>I write Point Of Sale software on WinDoz and other desk-top computers but I
>also wrote Barcode software for the NEC and M100 years ago.
>
>The NEC is good at reading and storing BARCODE data. And because it can use
>two banks of 32k RAM, it can hold a HUGE amount of data. Also, the Barcode
>reading software is VERY SAMLL.
>
>I have some Barcode reading software on an option ROM chip that frees most
>of the memory for bank #1 and then puts additional data in bank #2. This
>gives you very close to 64k of RAM with an UNexpaned Nec8201A.
>
>If you add a sidecar you get 4 more bakns of 32k for 128k total.
>
I do have the NEC side-insertable RAM module.

>So... Whay can't you read the data?
>
>A) Wand vs Gun.
>
>Most barcode wands are UNDECODED. That means they send the pulse data to
>the NEC. The NEC then must figure out what the code is and translate it
>into text.
>
>If you are using a WAND then you need to have the write driver loaded. The
>Drivers are code symboligies like:
>Code 3 of 9
>UPC-A
>UPC-E
>Jan
> and so on.
>
>Get the little cassette tape that came with your NEC and load th Barcode
>reader program called CODE3O9.BA. Look in the Pink application manual and
>it will tell you how to read the books and CD's.
>
>Code 3 of 9 should work to read the UPC codes on CD's.
>
I got this far about a couple of years ago, I think.

>Now I havn't does this on the NEC for a few years so I may have muffed a
>step, but what you need to do si:
>1) Load a symboligy driver from the NEC's tape
>2) Write a program (or use the one in the book) to SAVE the data to RAM:
>
>That's it!
>
I believe I couldn't get the program in the book to work.

 >B) If you are using a GUN.
>


>Did this help?
>
I'll try it again tonight and see what happens.

> the Tandy bar code wand SUCKS !!! For $99 you can get a better one! And
>that might be the problem. I have about 50 new Tandy bar code wands - like
>anyone cares.
>
I got a Tandy wand several years ago for a few bucks. Any more investment 
in equipment isn't in the cards :)

>Let me know what you discover. I have a NEC with a barcode wand and can
>re-learn this very fast if your still stuck.
>
>
>When You think as fast as Lightning,
>Your bound to make spelling errors.
>
>Lightning Bolt
>1-800-968-5670
>
>7809 Raintree Dr
>Ypsilanti MI 48197

Thanks for your help. I'll report back.

Jim Kessler

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I thought I would pass along an article I had written on how M100 and 
NEC programmers can more peacefully coexist.  What the heck, there might 
still be programmers out there with the intent of writing some new 
software for our little Model-T machines.  (Leonard, you might remember 
the little trick described below...)

Gary Weber
gweber@kistech.com

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

LET'S PRACTICE COMPATIBILITY, OKAY?
-----------------------------------

Probably the most annoying incompatibility between the TRS-80 Model
100's and the NEC PC-8201A/8300's BASIC dialect is the method of 
positioning the cursor at a specific location on the screen.

The Model 100 uses the PRINT@ statement to specify a screen location, 
and the NEC uses LOCATE X,Y.

Converting programs that run on one machine to work on the other has 
always at the VERY least meant going through all of the code and 
converting these statements.

But, what many haven't realized is that there *is* a way to perform 
cursor location that is compatible between both styles of computers!
Yes, indeed, there is a simple cross-compatible subroutine that can 
be included in any program which can be used to locate the cursor.
It uses some VT-52 terminal screen positioning codes, which are 
common to the LCD driver routines for both machines.

Simply add the following subroutine to the program at whatever line 
number you choose:

  1000 PRINT CHR$(27);"Y";CHR$(32+YY);CHR$(32+XX);:RETURN

Then, from anywhere in the program, you would set the XX and YY 
variables to the coordinates for the cursor, call the subroutine, 
then print what you want to the screen:

  50 XX=10:YY=3:GOSUB1000:PRINT"Hello world!"

This will print 'Hello world!' on the third line at the tenth column, 
and it will do this on both the TRS-80 and NEC machines without 
conversion.  These values, of course, are zero based.  XX=0 & YY=0 
would represent the first cursor position on the screen, equivalent 
to PRINT@0 or LOCATE 0,0.

Use this method of you wish your program to be compatible on both the
Tandy and the NEC machines without any code changes.  That is, of 
course, unless you're using some ROM calls or machine language 
subroutines.  In that case, all bets are off!

Gary Weber
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Hi, I recently used my M100 for somthing quite intresting and thought you
guys might be intrested.

Last week in US History we were going over the industrial revolution and
for a project we had to invent somthing and do an infomercial for the
class, most groups were doing posters and crap like that, but I had an
idea... A computer controlled toilet paper dispenser! Contruction was quite
simple, I put my tape drive in a cigar box, attached a piece of wire to the
spinner thing in the drive, hooked up the toilet paper, etc, etc, you get
the idea.  Then i wrote a program using the motor on/off function to make
it start and stop spitting out TP. Needless to say when we presented it
people were amazed. I love showing off my Model-T!

-Rob


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At 10:41 PM 1/12/99 +0000, Rob Sayers wrote:
>Hi, I recently used my M100 for somthing quite intresting and thought you
>guys might be intrested.
>
>Last week in US History we were going over the industrial revolution and
>for a project we had to invent somthing and do an infomercial for the
>class, most groups were doing posters and crap like that, but I had an
>idea... A computer controlled toilet paper dispenser! Contruction was quite
>simple, I put my tape drive in a cigar box, attached a piece of wire to the
>spinner thing in the drive, hooked up the toilet paper, etc, etc, you get
>the idea.  Then i wrote a program using the motor on/off function to make
>it start and stop spitting out TP. Needless to say when we presented it
>people were amazed. I love showing off my Model-T!
>
>-Rob
>
>

This reminded me of a saying I just heard last weekend, many of you
probably have already (I lead a sheltered life).

"If we live in a world without borders and boundarys; do we need GATES and
WINDOWS?"

Old is not bad, just look at the M-100. Now I know Gates helped (ok he did
most of it) on the M-100, but what has he done since? ;-)

Just wanted to share,
Don

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http://habitat.netlab.org *hey check this out we have our own virtual
domain!!!! THANKS NETLAB!
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http://www.netlab.org:8888/ Visit the Lab in the Hobby wing. HABITAT being
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In mail, webergary@hotmail.com writes:

> I thought I would pass along an article I had written on how M100 and 
> NEC programmers can more peacefully coexist.  What the heck, there might 
> still be programmers out there with the intent of writing some new 
> software for our little Model-T machines.  (Leonard, you might remember 
> the little trick described below...)

Find a copy of my CTRESC.100 file and let me know if there are any
difference for the NEC, ok? :-)

> LET'S PRACTICE COMPATIBILITY, OKAY?
> -----------------------------------
>
> Probably the most annoying incompatibility between the TRS-80 Model
> 100's and the NEC PC-8201A/8300's BASIC dialect is the method of 
> positioning the cursor at a specific location on the screen.
>
> The Model 100 uses the PRINT@ statement to specify a screen location, 
> and the NEC uses LOCATE X,Y.
>
> Converting programs that run on one machine to work on the other has 
> always at the VERY least meant going through all of the code and 
> converting these statements.
>
> But, what many haven't realized is that there *is* a way to perform 
> cursor location that is compatible between both styles of computers!
> Yes, indeed, there is a simple cross-compatible subroutine that can 
> be included in any program which can be used to locate the cursor.
> It uses some VT-52 terminal screen positioning codes, which are 
> common to the LCD driver routines for both machines.

And for the sake of people using the Tandy DVI, when using the SCREEN
statement to turn on or off the label line, use the form:

	SCREEN ,0	or	SCREEN ,1

rather than

	SCREEN 0,0	or	SCREEN 0,1

You see, for folks with a DVI, the first argument of the SCREEN command
controls *which display* the text shows up on. SCREEN 0 is the LCD,
SCREEN 1 is the CRT. 

So as you can imagine, it gets *really* annoying when the text suddenly
switches back to the LCD. 

And Gary's trick works well for DVI users as well. Because the DVI
screen can be 40 or 80 columns (WIDTH 40 or WIDTH 80). PRINT@ will
screw up badly on an 80 column screen. 

-- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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> A long time ago I tried to collect UPC bar codes from CDs and books using 
> the Tandy bar code wand and some of the included bar code files that came 
> with my NEC. I was unsuccessful: as I recall, I couldn't get the NEC to 
> actually store the bar code data in a file.

I never tried it, but I was able to load the NEC bar code reader program
from the Personal Applications cassette that came with my NEC. I remember
looking it over to see which i/o ports were used by the NEC.

If that little demo program doesn't store the codes, it would likely not
be a big deal to modify it to do so. I don't remember, however, if the
program was in BASIC or not.

I do not have a bar code wand to test with, but if you would like
suggestions based on what the program does, I can put it on my list of
interesting things to look at.

-- David Firth ------------- djfirth@freenet.columbus.oh.us --------
Newton MP2100 ! Thou speakest aright; I am that merry wanderer of
NEC PC-8201A  ! the night. I jest to Oberon and make him smile...
Tandy 102     !   -- from MND by WS (II, 1, 42-44)



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>Find a copy of my CTRESC.100 file and let me know if there are any
>difference for the NEC, ok? :-)

Cool!  I'll have to get ahold of this.  (For all I know, you might have 
been the one that showed my the escape-Y sequences way back in 1984 in 
the first place! :)

>And for the sake of people using the Tandy DVI, when using the SCREEN
>statement to turn on or off the label line, use the form:
>	SCREEN ,0	or	SCREEN ,1
>rather than
>	SCREEN 0,0	or	SCREEN 0,1

In fact, I've always used the SCREEN,0 syntax, but that habit was 
probably formed more from the fact that it saves a byte of program 
storage.  I think the NEC's CRT adapter (which I never have seen) also 
uses the SCREEN 1 command to switch to video.

>And Gary's trick works well for DVI users as well. Because the DVI
>screen can be 40 or 80 columns (WIDTH 40 or WIDTH 80). PRINT@ will
>screw up badly on an 80 column screen. 

Do the graphics characters also display on the DVI?  How about PSET or 
LINE commands?

Gary.
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>I must admit I have forgotten all the ASM I once knew about these 
puters.
>Now that event-driven and OO are all the rage, trying to learn JAVA ...

Yep, I, too, have mostly moved on to event-driven and OO programming in 
the Windows environment.  Haven't tackled JAVA yet, but it looks 
interesting.  I kinda miss the old days...

>But I still love these puters. I still like the NEC's angle shape and 
arrow
>keys better that the M100. Also, the SCREEN editor vs Line editing in
>BASIC.

Yep, being able to use the cursor keys to edit a BASIC statement in 
direct mode has been one of my favorite features of the NEC.  You don't 
always have to "EDIT" the program to do full screen editing.  Just LIST 
the line and go for it.

Also, the fact it can hold 64K of RAM internally, and has bank switching 
capability built in, is a nice plus.  

It's definable graphic character set allows for much nicer graphics 
flexibility, rather than the Model 100's set-in-stone graphics 
characters.  

I've found that the NEC's cartridge-style slot connector on the side for 
the system bus access, and the standard EPROM socket, have been much 
more convenient than the Model 100's socket bus connector and Molex 
EPROM socket on the bottom.  

The removable battery pack was nice as well; you could replace the 
regular battery holder with the NIcad battery pack, and the computer 
itself (using it's 8.5 volt adapter instead of 6v) would trickle charge 
the battery pack!

Uh oh, this is starting to sound like a M100 vs. NEC commercial..   
Sorry everyone!  :)

>I have never seen a GRAY or RED NEC, that was very cool. 

There's also a blue one, but I haven't been able to find the picture for 
it yet.  These were marketed only in Japan.  I guess the felt the US 
market couldn't handle bright colors.

>I love my PC laptop, but in the air; you can't beat a NEC with 64k 
>of ram and 16+ hours of battery life.

It beats the the daylight's out of the 1-2 hour life of the modern 
laptops.

>BTW, do you know a place to get LOW cost memory for the NEC?

I think Purple Computing is the *only* source for new RAM modules these 
days.  They're around $30 per 8K module.  Their contact information is 
in the "Kyocera FAQ" on my web site, as well as on Club 100's web site.

Gary Weber
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How does desklink perform in windows 98 and NT?...or does it?

Matthew


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>How does desklink perform in windows 98 and NT?...or does it?

I'm using it within Windows 98 (on a Pentium II 450) without any 
problems at all.  I just load it in a regular Command Prompt window.

Speaking of DeskLink, I wish the TS-DOS/DeskLink combo could handle more 
than one subdirectory level depth.  With only 40 files available at one 
time, it would be useful to split files up into subdirectories under 
other subdirectories for more categorization.  I tend to think that is a 
limitation of DeskLink ONLY, since TS-DOS just simply reloads whatever 
file & directory listing that DeskLink presents to it.

Rick - Is the source code for DeskLink available?  Is there any person 
or company that could be petitioned?

Gary.
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Sorry if this sounds dumb...  I was going through my download directory
(looking for something else, actually) and happened across a file called
vv.zip.  I unarc'ed it to a temp directory and checked it out.  Turns out
it's "Virtual Vanessa" a model 100 emulator for MS-DOS.  

Now my question.  I have no idea where I got this file.  Does anyone know
of a web site related to it (my searches came up empty) or a permanent
location to download it from?  The reason being, I'd like to add it to my
m100 web page as a resource.

According to the readme, it is only designed to work with the m100 games
the author wrote, but I'm thinking I might try it with other, non-game
software and see what happens.  (Lord knows, I've got enough DOS machines
around to play with it on! 8^)

If anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll forward a copy privately.  

And if anyone knows anything about "Laptap" by Wilson Van Alst (found that
in my dl directory too) feel free to let me know what it's about.  

Thanks!


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At 11:08 AM 1/13/99 PST, gary weber wrote:
>>I have never seen a GRAY or RED NEC, that was very cool. 
>
>There's also a blue one, but I haven't been able to find the picture for 
>it yet.  These were marketed only in Japan.  I guess the felt the US 
>market couldn't handle bright colors.

I have not checked out the web site yet (no access at the moment) so
forgive me, but are you saying that NEC offered Gray, Red and Blue
PC-8201's?  Do you have these?  Wow!  (Okay, so now you've just upped the
ante for a complete collection.)

BTW, I'm still looking for an Olivetti M10, either the US or Euro model
(pref. both!) to complete my set.  So far, I have:

TRS-80 Model 100
TRS-80 Model 102 (modified)
TRS-80 Model 200
NEC PC-8201
NEC PC-8201A
Kyocera KC-85

and a lead on a PC-8300.  So now I need the Oli and the colored 8201's.
(Were they 8201's or 8201A's?)  I'd also like to find an NEC PC-8500 to
complete my collection of unrelated follow-ups (I have the TRS-80 Model
600, the NEC PC-8401A (Starlet) and an Olivetti M15 on the way.)

Whups, I've kinda digressed.  Sorry!


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Gary Weber wrote:
> Speaking of DeskLink, I wish the TS-DOS/DeskLink combo could handle
> more than one subdirectory level depth.  With only 40 files available
> at one time, it would be useful to split files up into subdirectories
> under other subdirectories for more categorization.  I tend to think
> that is a limitation of DeskLink ONLY, since TS-DOS just simply
> reloads whatever file & directory listing that DeskLink presents to
> it.

DeskLink has no limit on how many file names it supplies.  I use my own
disk file service and I assure you that on a Files list it shows however
many file names DeskLink considers as meeting the laptop file name
convention.  At four names per LCD line and eight LCD lines, I see 32 file
names before the LCD scrolls to show more.  In some directories I keep so
many (e.g., over 100) laptop files that the LCD scrolls considerably.

Other than the subdirectory function of DeskLink which is specific to
TS-DOS drive, DeskLink merely emulates the original one-bank Tandy Portable
Disk Drive with respect to file operations.  Of course DeskLink doesn't
enulate the Tandy drive with respect to direct sector access.



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>I have not checked out the web site yet (no access at the moment) so
>forgive me, but are you saying that NEC offered Gray, Red and Blue
>PC-8201's?  Do you have these?  Wow!  (Okay, so now you've just upped the
>ante for a complete collection.)

Actually no, I don't own any of them.  The only knowledge I have on them is
what I picked up off of some obscure web site in Japan, where someone was
showcasing that various 8201 models.  At the time, I downloaded the pictures
for the "metallic" and "red" models, but I failed to download the blue
model's picture.   And I lost the URL for this site and haven't had success
in finding it again through web search engines.  Bottom line:  They do
exist, but I have no idea how you'd go about trying to obtain one.

>and a lead on a PC-8300.  So now I need the Oli and the colored 8201's.
>(Were they 8201's or 8201A's?)

They were the Japanese models, the straight 8201's.

---
Gary Weber                     (gweber@kistech.com)

MSVB 6.0, C (not ++), MS-DOS, Windows, CP/M, Basic, 3D Gaming,
NEC PC-8201, R/C Airplanes, Guitars, Composing music.

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Mike Robinson wrote:
> There may have been a discussion about this already, but is there a way
> to get the date to roll over to the year 2000?

Yes, there has been discussion.

Do you mean on a Tandy 100/102/200?

Do you just mean the ability to roll the year digits of DATE$ at the end
of this year?  Or do you mean the menu display?

If you really mean the roll over, on the Tandy 100/102 I know that the
answer is "yes, provided you write or obtain a program to do it."  They
can't even roll over to the year 1980 from 1979.  They just don't have
code built in to roll over.

If you mean displaying the date as something other than 1900 in the
menu, the answer is "yes, provided you pay me a few thousand dollars." 
I don't think it is worth doing.  Get some liquid paper.

-- 
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"Printable" Ctrl Chars
----------------------
^G	bel	bell
^H	bs	backspace (w/o erasing)
^I	tab	tab
^J	lf	linefeed (w/o carriage return)
^K	vt	home cursor (does not clear screen)
^L	ff	clear screen & home cursor
^M	cr	carriage return (w/o linefeed)
^[	esc	escape (see escape sequence list below)
^\	fs	cursor right (CRT only) (right-arrow key)
^]	gs	cursor left  (CRT only) (left-arrow key)
^^	rs	cursor up    (CRT only) (up-arrow key)
^_	us	cursor down  (CRT only) (down-arrow key)
DEL	del	basckspace & erase

Escape Sequences ($=esc)
----------------
$A	cursor up (stops at edge of screen)
$B	cursor down (stops at edge of screen)
$C	cursor right (stops at edge of screen)
$D	cursor left (stops at edge of screen)
$E	clear screen/home cursor
$H	home cursor (does not clear screen)
$J	erase from cursor to end of screen
$K	erase from cursor to end of line
$L	inserts blank line at cursor (text scrolls down)
$M	deletes line at cursor (text scrolls up to fill)
$N	bs & erase (will wrap around at start of line)(CRT only)
$P	cursor on
$Q	cursor off
$R	changes cursor from block to underline (CRT only)
$T	protects bottom line of screen
$U	unprotects bottom line of screen
$V	lock mode (screen will not scroll)
$W	unlock (screen will scroll normally)
$X	clear keyboard buffer?
$Ylc	positions cursor to line ASC(l)-32, column ASC(c)-32. If line or col
	 greater than screen limits then uses maximum possible value.
$b	clear from cursor to beginning of screen (CRT only)
$c	executes WIDTH 40 (clears screen)(CRT only)
$d	executes WIDTH 80 (clears screen)(CRT only)
$e	starts flash mode (CRT only)
$f	ends flash mode (CRT only)
$i	stores current cursor position (CRT only)
$j	same as $E
$k	moves cursor to stored position (0,0 default) (CRT only)
$l	clears line at cursor position
$n	prints "ESCY" & lc code for current cursor position (CRT only)
$p	start reverse mode
$q	end reverse mode
$z	DO NOT USE! Most of the time it does WIDTH 40 & clears the stored
	 cursor position. However sometimes it can cause a two-character delay
	 between when a character is sent to the screen & when it is actually
	 displayed. (ie type 123 & the 1 will show up as you type 3...)
	 (CRT only)

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>DeskLink has no limit on how many file names it supplies.  I use my own
>disk file service and I assure you that on a Files list it shows however
>many file names DeskLink considers as meeting the laptop file name
>convention.  At four names per LCD line and eight LCD lines, I see 32 file
>names before the LCD scrolls to show more.  In some directories I keep so
>many (e.g., over 100) laptop files that the LCD scrolls considerably.

By TS-DOS, I was specifically referring to the TS-DOS 4.0 application on
ROM.  It gives you a Main menu-like interface where you can select files to
save from Ram, or load from Disk.   The DeskLink & TS-DOS have the added
support of recognizing subdirectories with the \ROOT directory, and
presenting them on the TS-DOS menu as a name with "<>" after it.  You
position the cursor over the subdirectory name instead of a file, and press
, and then the whole listing of files changes to those that are
within the contents of that subdirectory.

My point was that it doesn't recognize any ADDITIONAL subdirectories
underneath the one you just went into.   And, the TS-DOS appilcation can
only present up to 40 files/directories at a time.   This means that any
given subdirectory can only contain 40 files or less.  And, this means the
"\ROOT" directory as well.

Right now I have 40 subdirectories under "\ROOT", and in those I have all my
files.  The problem is I need to categorize them further, and I'd like to
make a deeper subdirectory tree to do this.   But, TS-DOS won't handle a
tree structure.  It can only handle the \ROOT directory and one subdirectory
level underneath it.

What is the disk file service you're using?  Can you access more than one
level deep under \ROOT?

Thanks,

Gary.
P.S.   How's it been going?   I haven't chatted with you since we were
trying to obtain the source code for the Kyocera laptops two years ago...

---
Gary Weber                     (gweber@kistech.com)

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NEC PC-8201, R/C Airplanes, Guitars, Composing music.

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> I don't think it is worth doing.  Get some liquid paper.
       -----------------------------^
ROTFLOL.  Are you blond James :) Sorry couldn't resist.

Kevin S.

> 
> --
> James Cameron                                      
> (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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Subject: New Y2K ROM ...

For all the M100 community ...

We all went through the Y2k issue last summer - let's not do this again.

Here is the Y2k fix:

1) The M100 will use the date 2000, 2001 ... in the DATE$ variable.

2) Even for dates pre-y2k (I.E. 1982, 1983) you need to set the date EVERY
year as the M100 does not "ROLL OVER".

3) Someone gave me the location of the "19" in the standard ROM for the
MENU display that shows 1900 even if you put in 2000. I have burned a new
ROM that displays 20xx. It seems to work (and why would it not?). If you
are interested ...

The ROM will be for sale Dec of 1999. So ask the jolly red guy for one. But
you better be nice!


When You think as fast as Lightning,
Your bound to make spelling errors.

Lightning Bolt
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In mail, cameron@stl.dec.com writes:

> Mike Robinson wrote:
>> There may have been a discussion about this already, but is there a way
>> to get the date to roll over to the year 2000?
>
> Yes, there has been discussion.
>
> Do you mean on a Tandy 100/102/200?
>
> Do you just mean the ability to roll the year digits of DATE$ at the end
> of this year?  Or do you mean the menu display?
>
> If you really mean the roll over, on the Tandy 100/102 I know that the
> answer is "yes, provided you write or obtain a program to do it."  They
> can't even roll over to the year 1980 from 1979.  They just don't have
> code built in to roll over.

Incorrect. The 100 *does* have the code to "roll over" the year. They
*removed* it in later models because things like high speed serial
transfers (9600) would accidentally trigger it, sending the year all
over the place. 

-- 
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From lgonza18@fiu.edu Thu Jan 14 23:24:21 1999
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I just got M102 two weeks ago and I'm trying to learn everything I can about
this machine.  I sure appreciate you visiting this subject even if it was
thrown around last summer.  All I got is this list and Rick to help me.

Thank You for the help.


>For all the M100 community ...
>
>We all went through the Y2k issue last summer - let's not do this again.
>
>Here is the Y2k fix:
>
>1) The M100 will use the date 2000, 2001 ... in the DATE$ variable.
>
>2) Even for dates pre-y2k (I.E. 1982, 1983) you need to set the date EVERY
>year as the M100 does not "ROLL OVER".
>
>3) Someone gave me the location of the "19" in the standard ROM for the
>MENU display that shows 1900 even if you put in 2000. I have burned a new
>ROM that displays 20xx. It seems to work (and why would it not?). If you
>are interested ...
>
>The ROM will be for sale Dec of 1999. So ask the jolly red guy for one. But
>you better be nice!
>
>
>When You think as fast as Lightning,
>Your bound to make spelling errors.
>
>Lightning Bolt
>1-800-968-5670
>
>7809 Raintree Dr
>Ypsilanti MI 48197
>
>


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Lazaro Gonzalez wrote:
> I sure appreciate you visiting this subject even if it was
> thrown around last summer.  All I got is this list and Rick [...]

Do we have an archive of this list?
Do we have the ability to search it?
That might be handy.

-- 
James Cameron                                      (cameron@stl.dec.com)

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Thanks for all of the responses on this issue.  I've only been on the
distribution list for a few months now, so I missed the last discussion on this
topic.  I figured that the "19" was hard coded...I can live with it.

Mike Robinson




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On or about 10:35 AM 1/15/99 +1100, James Cameron was caught in a dark
alley speaking these words:

>Do we have an archive of this list?

Yes... but it's currently unavailable.

However, the new list server software (once operational) has the ability to
retrieve individual messages from the past.

>Do we have the ability to search it?

I may be able to wangle up something, tho it's not too high on my priority
list.

>That might be handy.

That it would... erm... the digest starts on 6 May 98 and is roughly 2.2
Megs in size... I could 'zip it up and have it available on my webpage...

Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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for (1..15) { print "Merry Christmas\n"; }
(from perl.1 man page, version 4.)